1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:07,360 Welcome to the GoTennis! Podcast. 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,800 Our conversations are uniquely engaging 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,780 and our tips will help you to win more matches. 5 00:00:12,780 --> 00:00:14,960 Our mission is to keep you well informed, 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,960 give you what you need to improve your game 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,600 and help you save money. 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,200 We invite you to become a GoTennis! Premium member 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,400 and join our community today. 10 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,980 (upbeat music) 11 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:29,540 Hey, hey, this is Shaun with the GoTennis! Podcast, 12 00:00:29,540 --> 00:00:31,020 powered by Signature Tennis. 13 00:00:31,020 --> 00:00:33,200 Check out our calendar of Metro Atlanta Tennis events 14 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,860 at LetsGoTennis.com. 15 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:36,060 And as you're listening to this, 16 00:00:36,060 --> 00:00:37,580 please look in your podcast app 17 00:00:37,580 --> 00:00:39,860 where to leave a review and do that for us. 18 00:00:39,860 --> 00:00:42,540 We would love to earn your five-star reviews. 19 00:00:42,540 --> 00:00:44,300 And now let's get into our recent conversation 20 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:45,660 with John Davey. 21 00:00:45,660 --> 00:00:49,020 John invented an infinite feedback loop for tennis players 22 00:00:49,020 --> 00:00:50,620 and you have got to check it out. 23 00:00:50,620 --> 00:00:52,780 You can now practice indefinitely 24 00:00:52,780 --> 00:00:54,500 without picking up balls. 25 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:56,900 Have a listen and let us know what you think. 26 00:00:56,900 --> 00:01:00,320 (upbeat music) 27 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,100 John Davey, thank you so much for making time. 28 00:01:02,100 --> 00:01:02,940 I really appreciate it. 29 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:05,460 Looking forward to hearing about the fast track 30 00:01:05,460 --> 00:01:07,560 and I wanna start with our first question, 31 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,640 which is who are you and why do we care? 32 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,980 - That's an interesting question. 33 00:01:13,980 --> 00:01:16,380 All right, well, if you ask my kids or my wife, 34 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:17,780 they probably just tell you that, 35 00:01:17,780 --> 00:01:19,780 I'm some sort of old fart idiot, 36 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:23,300 but who I am is I'm an entrepreneur 37 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:25,420 who's invented a really cool device 38 00:01:25,420 --> 00:01:28,500 that makes it easier, faster, less expensive 39 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:31,300 and more fun to learn, practice and play tennis. 40 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:36,060 - Easier, faster, more fun. 41 00:01:36,060 --> 00:01:38,780 - Okay, let's use our all good words. 42 00:01:38,780 --> 00:01:39,620 - Yeah. 43 00:01:39,620 --> 00:01:40,460 - For a product. 44 00:01:40,460 --> 00:01:42,020 - Yeah, that's it. 45 00:01:42,020 --> 00:01:44,300 - Okay, so tell us about the product. 46 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:46,540 So if you're not gonna say I'm very interesting, 47 00:01:46,540 --> 00:01:48,580 which is good, a lot of people don't, 48 00:01:48,580 --> 00:01:50,220 what's interesting about the product. 49 00:01:50,220 --> 00:01:51,980 Tell us about you've got a unique product 50 00:01:51,980 --> 00:01:55,220 and we love it already, but tell the audience about it. 51 00:01:55,460 --> 00:01:59,180 - Yeah, I mean, look, I could spend hours talking about it. 52 00:01:59,180 --> 00:02:02,620 Appreciate the opportunity to be here and share with you. 53 00:02:02,620 --> 00:02:04,380 As you said, you guys have seen it. 54 00:02:04,380 --> 00:02:08,580 What it is is it's kind of a hit capture return system, right? 55 00:02:08,580 --> 00:02:10,380 So it's a solo training device, 56 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:15,380 kind of like a simulator where you hit a ball into the net. 57 00:02:15,380 --> 00:02:19,220 It drops back down, little ball machine pops it back out again, 58 00:02:19,220 --> 00:02:22,300 you hit it back in, so it's like a continuous loop. 59 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:24,740 You can set it up anywhere you want. 60 00:02:24,740 --> 00:02:27,180 It's really designed to go into a driveway, 61 00:02:27,180 --> 00:02:30,860 a garage, a basement, something like that. 62 00:02:30,860 --> 00:02:32,700 It doesn't have to be on a tennis court 63 00:02:32,700 --> 00:02:36,020 and it works on a small footprint. 64 00:02:36,020 --> 00:02:41,020 So the notion is that you can practice anytime, 65 00:02:41,020 --> 00:02:44,980 anywhere, because tennis traditionally, 66 00:02:44,980 --> 00:02:46,540 you haven't had that option, right? 67 00:02:46,540 --> 00:02:51,020 There's maybe that ball on the rubber band that you see. 68 00:02:51,020 --> 00:02:52,500 - The ball on a string. 69 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:54,740 - Yeah, or ball on a stick. 70 00:02:54,740 --> 00:02:56,340 There's a few of those that are out there, 71 00:02:56,340 --> 00:02:58,860 but this is more dynamic. 72 00:02:58,860 --> 00:03:02,700 And then basically, you can hit it as hard as you want. 73 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:04,460 I've worked with guys at MIT. 74 00:03:04,460 --> 00:03:08,180 I've worked with designers, engineers 75 00:03:08,180 --> 00:03:09,860 to kind of come up with this whole thing. 76 00:03:09,860 --> 00:03:12,780 We've got a patent on it, which is really cool. 77 00:03:12,780 --> 00:03:17,220 But basically any level player, whether you're a beginner, 78 00:03:17,220 --> 00:03:20,620 I get high level players, they'll come and they'll hit it, 79 00:03:20,620 --> 00:03:22,860 we'll soft into the net and I'll say, come on, 80 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:24,660 I can hit it harder than you can. 81 00:03:24,660 --> 00:03:27,300 And I show them and then they start ripping it. 82 00:03:27,300 --> 00:03:30,340 And so it's designed so that any level player 83 00:03:30,340 --> 00:03:32,500 can really work on it. 84 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:37,500 And not to similar to say, you've seen this Spanish method, 85 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:40,980 right, where coaches are hand feeding balls, right? 86 00:03:40,980 --> 00:03:44,940 So it's very much like that, where you can be just, 87 00:03:44,940 --> 00:03:47,420 hitting balls and working on your technique. 88 00:03:47,420 --> 00:03:49,300 And then we've got some really cool software 89 00:03:49,300 --> 00:03:50,500 that does ball tracking. 90 00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:52,460 So that you can see where the ball would have landed 91 00:03:52,460 --> 00:03:55,940 on a real court, it tracks your ball speed, your spin. 92 00:03:55,940 --> 00:03:58,700 We've got a leaderboard game where you can be playing against 93 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:01,220 anybody anywhere in the world. 94 00:04:01,220 --> 00:04:03,260 We've got coaching videos. 95 00:04:03,260 --> 00:04:05,820 So it's really kind of a comprehensive tool 96 00:04:05,820 --> 00:04:09,060 for learning, practicing and playing tennis. 97 00:04:09,060 --> 00:04:13,500 - I couldn't have said it better myself, which is good, 98 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:15,100 'cause it's your job to say it well. 99 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:17,140 I think I've had a couple of conversations 100 00:04:17,140 --> 00:04:19,100 where the guys looked at me and said, Sean, 101 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,580 that well described, but I don't need to say it again. 102 00:04:21,580 --> 00:04:25,020 Bobby, we've played with this a little bit. 103 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:27,420 Where would you, what do you wanna ask John? 104 00:04:27,420 --> 00:04:29,180 Like if there's some secret, I mean, 105 00:04:29,180 --> 00:04:31,700 it's pretty straightforward and easy to use 106 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:33,060 and we've loved it. 107 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:33,900 - Well, absolutely. 108 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:35,860 I mean, when I found it, I was like, whoa, 109 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:37,420 this is really cool. 110 00:04:37,420 --> 00:04:39,540 Again, the footprint is small. 111 00:04:39,540 --> 00:04:42,780 Even the little nuances and it's evolved 112 00:04:42,780 --> 00:04:45,660 since our initial conversations with John, 113 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:48,420 as he's gotten more into the software side of it. 114 00:04:48,420 --> 00:04:52,180 But even from the simplicity of, you develop a tempo. 115 00:04:52,180 --> 00:04:54,780 As a coach, you always tell the kids, stay on tempo. 116 00:04:54,780 --> 00:04:59,780 Say, just the rhythm that the ball machine makes 117 00:04:59,780 --> 00:05:02,900 creates a tempo and it's a subtle thing, 118 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:04,900 but you're even getting that out of 119 00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:08,060 by hitting on this and, hey, anytime you get more reps 120 00:05:08,060 --> 00:05:10,860 as a coach, you're always excited about it. 121 00:05:10,860 --> 00:05:13,380 It's a great workout and as I tell people, 122 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:17,260 as you get older, it sure beats the hell out of the elliptical. 123 00:05:17,260 --> 00:05:20,740 We did the little promotional video for our fan festival. 124 00:05:20,740 --> 00:05:24,020 I think I hit with it for two minutes while I was talking 125 00:05:24,020 --> 00:05:26,740 and I was like, I'm tired, I'm good. 126 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:29,980 And we were doing, I was not standing in one place. 127 00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:34,100 So I think you can get out of it pretty much anything 128 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:35,860 you want, you put into it. 129 00:05:35,860 --> 00:05:37,460 We put it out at the fan festival. 130 00:05:37,460 --> 00:05:39,540 It was the hit of it, of course, 131 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:42,260 having your two-year-old son out there hitting into it 132 00:05:42,260 --> 00:05:44,460 as well was a great selling tool. 133 00:05:44,460 --> 00:05:47,420 It's always good to be able to sell your children. 134 00:05:47,420 --> 00:05:49,700 But yeah, our biggest disappointment down here 135 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:51,140 is we've had a bad winter. 136 00:05:51,140 --> 00:05:53,220 So every time that we've subsequently thought about 137 00:05:53,220 --> 00:05:55,140 putting it out, I've got a few people coming. 138 00:05:55,140 --> 00:05:57,140 We've either been frozen or rained, 139 00:05:57,140 --> 00:06:00,380 but looking forward to the spring. 140 00:06:00,380 --> 00:06:02,660 And as we said, speaking to some folks 141 00:06:02,660 --> 00:06:05,180 who are in the industry that want to pony onto it 142 00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:06,180 and make it even bigger. 143 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:08,500 So we're fired up about it. 144 00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:09,940 - Yeah, a couple of things there, 145 00:06:09,940 --> 00:06:12,740 just to highlight what you were saying, 146 00:06:12,740 --> 00:06:15,620 the rhythm, ball comes out every three seconds. 147 00:06:15,620 --> 00:06:18,100 So that's 20 shots in a minute, right? 148 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:21,460 Which is really incredible when you think about, 149 00:06:21,460 --> 00:06:24,180 you could spend an hour and get 1200 hits, right? 150 00:06:24,180 --> 00:06:25,100 No one's gonna do that. 151 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:28,380 Your arm's gonna fall off before you hit 1200 balls. 152 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:32,020 Average point in tennis is what, maybe, six, seven shots. 153 00:06:32,020 --> 00:06:35,980 So you're not used to getting this kind of reps. 154 00:06:35,980 --> 00:06:39,540 It's also timed in that sense, three seconds, 155 00:06:39,540 --> 00:06:42,300 where Bobby, if you and I were playing, 156 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:45,020 obviously you hit it much faster than I do. 157 00:06:45,020 --> 00:06:50,020 But if I hit 1,000, 2, 1,000, 3, 1,000 hit, 158 00:06:50,020 --> 00:06:53,980 so it's timed to replicate what it would be like 159 00:06:53,980 --> 00:06:55,060 hitting on a court. 160 00:06:55,060 --> 00:06:57,220 And then if you throw some footwork cones 161 00:06:57,220 --> 00:07:00,420 and things in there, you can get an amazing workout. 162 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:03,420 And again, it doesn't have to be on a tennis court. 163 00:07:03,420 --> 00:07:06,460 It can be in your basement or your driveway. 164 00:07:06,460 --> 00:07:09,460 So that's the whole point to it. 165 00:07:09,460 --> 00:07:12,180 Yeah, John, sorry Bobby. 166 00:07:12,180 --> 00:07:15,260 John and I, I think I exchanged a video with you 167 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:17,140 where we were at Bobby's facility 168 00:07:17,140 --> 00:07:19,860 with a bunch of 10 and under beginners. 169 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:22,460 And we had them put them in a line doing split step pivot, 170 00:07:22,460 --> 00:07:24,300 hit the ball into the net and then go to the back of the line. 171 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:26,180 Split step pivot, hit the ball on the net. 172 00:07:26,180 --> 00:07:29,340 And it's a coach, a single coach can work with more players. 173 00:07:29,340 --> 00:07:33,020 So the coaches can use it in really unique ways. 174 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:34,820 The kid misses the net, they gotta go get it. 175 00:07:34,820 --> 00:07:37,060 And it's actually sometimes harder than people think 176 00:07:37,060 --> 00:07:39,380 to hit a ball straight ahead into that target. 177 00:07:39,380 --> 00:07:42,780 And you've got targets that we can put out onto the net. 178 00:07:42,780 --> 00:07:44,980 But Bobby would want to connect this. 179 00:07:44,980 --> 00:07:47,820 We've talked about connecting it with the high school coaches. 180 00:07:47,820 --> 00:07:50,460 And I want to bring that in because, John, 181 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:53,300 you've told us you've even had some high school coaches 182 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:56,420 do some essentially coaching in your apps. 183 00:07:56,420 --> 00:07:57,700 So you've got three different apps. 184 00:07:57,700 --> 00:07:59,660 Can you tell us about those? 185 00:07:59,660 --> 00:08:01,980 Yeah, so the whole premise behind this 186 00:08:01,980 --> 00:08:06,020 is learn, practice, play. 187 00:08:06,020 --> 00:08:11,820 And one of the initial reactions that I've gotten 188 00:08:11,820 --> 00:08:18,900 was when I first rolled us out was some of the more salty tennis 189 00:08:18,900 --> 00:08:22,860 pros would say, well, you're not practicing the right way. 190 00:08:22,860 --> 00:08:26,180 You can practice poorly and the ball doesn't land on the quarter. 191 00:08:26,180 --> 00:08:27,500 I want to see where the ball lands. 192 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:30,180 So that's why we kind of came up with the whole software. 193 00:08:30,180 --> 00:08:32,900 So you virtually, you can see where the ball would have landed 194 00:08:32,900 --> 00:08:34,460 with spin and speed. 195 00:08:34,460 --> 00:08:40,780 But part of it also is people can go on YouTube, watch a video, 196 00:08:40,780 --> 00:08:41,980 and then they can kind of-- 197 00:08:41,980 --> 00:08:46,380 like when I was growing up, you watched the US open and Wimbledon, 198 00:08:46,380 --> 00:08:48,500 and then you went out and practiced it. 199 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:49,500 Right? 200 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:52,180 Yeah, that's kind of what you did. 201 00:08:52,180 --> 00:08:53,420 Nowadays, you can go to YouTube. 202 00:08:53,420 --> 00:08:56,940 But I put together an app where we have coaches 203 00:08:56,940 --> 00:08:59,900 who've done short videos instruction. 204 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:03,780 And it doesn't have to be just using the FastTrack machine. 205 00:09:03,780 --> 00:09:07,300 But you can certainly use it to practice. 206 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:12,340 And on that video or on that app, and it's called FTT Learn, 207 00:09:12,340 --> 00:09:14,060 FTT Practice, FTT Play. 208 00:09:14,060 --> 00:09:18,460 So Learn Practice Play, FTT, of course, is FastTrack tennis. 209 00:09:18,460 --> 00:09:22,980 But we've got an interview with one coach in particular 210 00:09:22,980 --> 00:09:24,300 who's out in Michigan. 211 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:26,100 And he's used this thing. 212 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:32,020 And he's bringing kids from elementary school up the curve 213 00:09:32,020 --> 00:09:35,420 so fast, and he's building his high school program, 214 00:09:35,420 --> 00:09:36,740 getting more people into it. 215 00:09:36,740 --> 00:09:41,980 And so what I'm trying to do is just create kind of that platform. 216 00:09:41,980 --> 00:09:47,580 And like you say, Sean, people can figure out how to use it. 217 00:09:47,580 --> 00:09:50,620 I mean, that's not my job to tell you how to use it. 218 00:09:50,620 --> 00:09:52,260 And it's interesting. 219 00:09:52,260 --> 00:09:55,340 I get videos from people doing stuff like, 220 00:09:55,340 --> 00:09:57,860 I never would have thought of that in a million years. 221 00:09:57,860 --> 00:09:59,180 But it's pretty good idea. 222 00:09:59,180 --> 00:10:03,020 So that's what's kind of fun about this. 223 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:06,020 But I want to give everybody the tools 224 00:10:06,020 --> 00:10:10,340 that they can learn, practice, play tennis better. 225 00:10:10,340 --> 00:10:15,220 And again, the denominator here is that tennis is a technical sport. 226 00:10:15,220 --> 00:10:18,300 You need to get a lot of repetitions in order to get better. 227 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:21,740 And if we can do that, guess what? 228 00:10:21,740 --> 00:10:23,020 People are going to stick with the game. 229 00:10:23,020 --> 00:10:25,500 People don't like doing stuff that they're not good at. 230 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:28,380 So let's let them get better quicker. 231 00:10:28,380 --> 00:10:29,060 And guess what? 232 00:10:29,060 --> 00:10:31,580 They're going to need new shoes and new rackets 233 00:10:31,580 --> 00:10:35,020 and get their rackets restrung and the whole thing. 234 00:10:35,020 --> 00:10:42,900 So the app strategy is super cool. 235 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:46,380 We use computer vision for ball tracking. 236 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:48,340 That's why we've got these orange balls 237 00:10:48,340 --> 00:10:51,780 so that the camera can see the ball in 3D space 238 00:10:51,780 --> 00:10:53,700 and track where it would have gone. 239 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:57,460 We're tracking the spin on the ball 240 00:10:57,460 --> 00:10:58,660 so you can get your spin rate. 241 00:10:58,660 --> 00:11:01,500 So any kid that's wanting to see how fast 242 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:02,380 am I hitting the ball? 243 00:11:02,380 --> 00:11:03,180 How much RPM? 244 00:11:03,180 --> 00:11:03,940 Am I getting-- 245 00:11:03,940 --> 00:11:05,140 Oh, they care about you. 246 00:11:05,140 --> 00:11:06,220 That's it. 247 00:11:06,220 --> 00:11:08,860 People are like, well, I want to know my score. 248 00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:14,260 I'll go to a tennis lesson, kind of like what you showed me. 249 00:11:14,260 --> 00:11:17,700 And kids will line up 15, 20 deep because they want to get 250 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:21,180 their turn and they want to see what their score is. 251 00:11:21,180 --> 00:11:24,180 So we're working on that, the hardware and the software. 252 00:11:24,180 --> 00:11:26,540 And it's really cool. 253 00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:28,780 And Bobby, I think I knew where you were going earlier. 254 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:30,060 Sorry to interrupt. 255 00:11:30,060 --> 00:11:32,460 With watching the coaches, Bobby's 256 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:35,780 got a facility where the high school coaches come out 257 00:11:35,780 --> 00:11:36,900 and they're working with the kids. 258 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:38,220 Well, many of the high school coaches 259 00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:39,820 aren't professional tennis coaches. 260 00:11:39,820 --> 00:11:41,780 They are teachers that are helping 261 00:11:41,780 --> 00:11:43,180 and they are organizing. 262 00:11:43,180 --> 00:11:45,820 And they don't have something that just helps in a way 263 00:11:45,820 --> 00:11:47,380 that this fast track can. 264 00:11:47,380 --> 00:11:49,540 Bobby, we've seen some coaches out at your facility 265 00:11:49,540 --> 00:11:51,380 that just they can't really feed a ball. 266 00:11:51,380 --> 00:11:54,100 They're not able to really do all the things they can do. 267 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:55,500 And I know Bobby's got ideas. 268 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:57,300 Like this can change high school tennis. 269 00:11:57,300 --> 00:12:01,380 Well, let me interrupt for just a second there. 270 00:12:01,380 --> 00:12:05,300 Guys, is that I spent a lot of time on the road now going 271 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:07,060 to I just got back from Texas. 272 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:09,060 They've got something called TTCA Texas 273 00:12:09,060 --> 00:12:11,100 Tennis Coaches Association. 274 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:15,100 650 high school coaches go to this. 275 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:17,140 I'm heading out to Michigan next week. 276 00:12:17,140 --> 00:12:24,140 And Missouri, Illinois, I've been to Wisconsin, Ohio, 277 00:12:24,140 --> 00:12:25,060 Indiana. 278 00:12:25,060 --> 00:12:28,660 A lot of states have these high school tennis 279 00:12:28,660 --> 00:12:32,580 coaches association meetings because, like you say, 280 00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:36,540 it's the math teacher who also coaches. 281 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:38,100 They don't have the resources. 282 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:40,300 So when they see the fast track tennis, 283 00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:42,900 they say, oh my god, I can set this up in the gym 284 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:47,580 for the hallway for when it's raining out. 285 00:12:47,580 --> 00:12:50,740 Preseason rehab, you name it. 286 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:53,500 High school is definitely a place 287 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:57,580 where we're getting a lot of traction right now. 288 00:12:57,580 --> 00:12:59,940 Probably I can see this at your place. 289 00:12:59,940 --> 00:13:02,820 I mean, and you think about I love the fact just 290 00:13:02,820 --> 00:13:04,460 do that as John said, the math. 291 00:13:04,460 --> 00:13:07,820 And we all use the mythical 10,000 hits. 292 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:10,500 You can get that in eight days. 293 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:13,180 If you paid eight hours, you'd be at your-- now, again, 294 00:13:13,180 --> 00:13:15,060 we can argue semantics of whether or not 295 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:17,540 they're going to be-- but it hits all the buttons. 296 00:13:17,540 --> 00:13:21,140 You're getting your reps, videotape yourself, watch. 297 00:13:21,140 --> 00:13:23,540 You can-- which the kids don't do enough of. 298 00:13:23,540 --> 00:13:25,180 They don't watch enough tennis. 299 00:13:25,180 --> 00:13:27,060 So they don't see a personal balance. 300 00:13:27,060 --> 00:13:28,740 The things that we take for granted. 301 00:13:28,740 --> 00:13:31,420 So you're getting that immediate reinforcement 302 00:13:31,420 --> 00:13:34,380 and the great part about it for the adults per se. 303 00:13:34,380 --> 00:13:35,340 You can do this. 304 00:13:35,340 --> 00:13:38,340 It fits the footprint fits in your basement in your garage. 305 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:42,220 You can do it with music on by yourself. 306 00:13:42,220 --> 00:13:45,740 So while you're going through the beginning of the S curve, 307 00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:47,100 nobody's seeing it. 308 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:50,300 So you can go home in your cramming all the time 309 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:51,460 from one week to the next. 310 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:53,420 Your ability is jumping and people are like, well, 311 00:13:53,420 --> 00:13:54,660 what the heck is going on? 312 00:13:54,660 --> 00:13:56,780 Well, I didn't want to tell you because it's my secret. 313 00:13:56,780 --> 00:13:57,940 Well, this is what I got. 314 00:13:57,940 --> 00:14:01,460 And down here, especially with the folks that we deal with, 315 00:14:01,460 --> 00:14:05,740 they financially, it's not a question. 316 00:14:05,740 --> 00:14:08,060 A ball machine, a couple of thousand dollars, 317 00:14:08,060 --> 00:14:09,020 gets into a realm. 318 00:14:09,020 --> 00:14:12,860 This-- and it gives you the feedback with the software. 319 00:14:12,860 --> 00:14:14,380 This is the slam dunk down here. 320 00:14:14,380 --> 00:14:16,220 Like I said, our biggest-- 321 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:18,340 of course, we get the winter from Hades. 322 00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:21,820 But we're excited I've taken this to a new level 323 00:14:21,820 --> 00:14:24,460 because I just see it as just having 324 00:14:24,460 --> 00:14:27,700 seen it at the fan festival, such as centerpiece 325 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:29,540 as an attention grabber. 326 00:14:29,540 --> 00:14:30,940 And forget about just high school. 327 00:14:30,940 --> 00:14:33,980 I would love to see my daughter went through how many years 328 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:36,060 of school and didn't do gym. 329 00:14:36,060 --> 00:14:38,860 My god, this should be in elementary schools. 330 00:14:38,860 --> 00:14:40,740 Forget about high schools. 331 00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:44,220 Just let the kids do something during the day. 332 00:14:44,220 --> 00:14:45,060 They don't sit still. 333 00:14:45,060 --> 00:14:46,580 Well, they don't do anything. 334 00:14:46,580 --> 00:14:47,080 Here you go. 335 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,700 Let them go hit a ball for 10 minutes. 336 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:50,340 They'll slow down a little bit. 337 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:54,540 So it's got so many opportunities that we have looking forward 338 00:14:54,540 --> 00:14:57,140 to really working with the folks who've 339 00:14:57,140 --> 00:14:59,860 already demonstrated the huge interest. 340 00:14:59,860 --> 00:15:03,500 So one of the things that I talk about a lot 341 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:05,380 is this notion of-- 342 00:15:05,380 --> 00:15:08,460 I mean, you guys talking about high school teachers. 343 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:09,940 We're also coaches. 344 00:15:09,940 --> 00:15:13,020 All those high school teachers give homework, right? 345 00:15:13,020 --> 00:15:14,940 I mean, that's not a foreign concept. 346 00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:16,940 I talk about when my kids were younger, 347 00:15:16,940 --> 00:15:18,660 they'd take piano lessons. 348 00:15:18,660 --> 00:15:21,340 They'd go to the ladies' house, learn something, 349 00:15:21,340 --> 00:15:23,820 and then she'd say, go home and practice. 350 00:15:23,820 --> 00:15:28,220 And that's never been sort of a viable option with tennis, 351 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:30,300 right, other than that ball-on-restring kind of thing. 352 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:31,940 So that's really what this is. 353 00:15:31,940 --> 00:15:34,260 Is that now you can go-- 354 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:37,820 guy who's taking tennis lessons maybe once a week, twice 355 00:15:37,820 --> 00:15:39,220 a week at most, right? 356 00:15:39,220 --> 00:15:43,260 Doing a group lesson on Saturday and Tuesdays. 357 00:15:43,260 --> 00:15:45,220 What are they doing the other five days? 358 00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:47,340 Well, they can be home hitting balls 359 00:15:47,340 --> 00:15:49,500 so that then when they get back to the next lesson, 360 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:50,900 they're progressing quicker, right? 361 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:52,580 There's not as much review. 362 00:15:52,580 --> 00:16:00,660 And this whole notion of not having to spend time picking up balls, 363 00:16:00,660 --> 00:16:02,100 that's really what I'm trying to do. 364 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:05,500 Is make it, like I said, easier, faster, less expensive, 365 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:07,940 more fun to learn, practice, and play tennis. 366 00:16:07,940 --> 00:16:12,060 I think that's a winning combination. 367 00:16:12,060 --> 00:16:13,300 I mean, obviously, so do you. 368 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:14,900 You're doing it. 369 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:17,220 And one of the things we love about it is that, 370 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:21,900 say, like Bobby said, most people at this price point, 371 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:23,140 it's not a problem. 372 00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:25,580 Do you suggest that I raise my prices? 373 00:16:25,580 --> 00:16:28,340 Is that what you guys are doing? 374 00:16:28,340 --> 00:16:32,420 I am not in a place to give you business advice, John. 375 00:16:32,420 --> 00:16:35,700 But I'm happy to help you get it into the market here. 376 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:38,220 Well, I will tell you this. 377 00:16:38,220 --> 00:16:42,900 Price is very much, it's very important to me, not in terms 378 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:45,980 of maximizing revenue or profits, but in terms of keeping 379 00:16:45,980 --> 00:16:48,860 it at a price point where everybody can afford this. 380 00:16:48,860 --> 00:16:52,660 And now, obviously, tennis players are generally 381 00:16:52,660 --> 00:16:53,380 more affluent. 382 00:16:53,380 --> 00:16:58,020 But my sort of passion project here is that I want to get this 383 00:16:58,020 --> 00:17:02,700 down into places where it's not traditional, right? 384 00:17:02,700 --> 00:17:07,660 Where you can get kids that maybe can't afford to do 385 00:17:07,660 --> 00:17:10,460 the traditional path, take lessons and summer camps, 386 00:17:10,460 --> 00:17:12,340 and all that kind of stuff. 387 00:17:12,340 --> 00:17:16,260 So I am doing everything I can to keep the price 388 00:17:16,260 --> 00:17:18,380 as affordable as possible for everybody. 389 00:17:18,380 --> 00:17:22,380 My wife thinks I'm crazy, but you guys obviously are probably 390 00:17:22,380 --> 00:17:24,100 more in her camp. 391 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:27,380 But no, I'm working hard to keep the price where it is. 392 00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:28,700 Well, we appreciate that. 393 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:30,260 But you've got to pay your bills. 394 00:17:30,260 --> 00:17:32,220 A business is a business. 395 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:35,060 And it isn't necessarily always, especially in the tennis 396 00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:35,660 world. 397 00:17:35,660 --> 00:17:38,500 It isn't always how much money you can make. 398 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:40,900 A business's job is to stay in business. 399 00:17:40,900 --> 00:17:44,060 So as long as you're doing that and you can keep your price 400 00:17:44,060 --> 00:17:47,260 point where it is, we can find creative ways 401 00:17:47,260 --> 00:17:48,540 to continue to sell. 402 00:17:48,540 --> 00:17:51,540 So if your margins are there, we can talk business. 403 00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:52,060 That's fine. 404 00:17:52,060 --> 00:17:55,700 But in this case, it's more of a sales pitch to our audience 405 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:58,340 to say, hey, guys, this is a really cool thing. 406 00:17:58,340 --> 00:18:00,580 Right now, before John raises his prices 407 00:18:00,580 --> 00:18:04,580 after this conversation, you can go get 20 bucks off 408 00:18:04,580 --> 00:18:05,540 at our website. 409 00:18:05,540 --> 00:18:08,620 But I think about things like our Gotenis Foundation, 410 00:18:08,620 --> 00:18:11,420 Bobby, where one of our initiatives 411 00:18:11,420 --> 00:18:15,180 is to get equipment to high school coaches. 412 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:21,460 This is easy because it's cheaper than a ball machine. 413 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:23,100 It's more efficient to carry around. 414 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:24,620 It's easier to store. 415 00:18:24,620 --> 00:18:28,020 And let's say 100 of these go to 100 high schools. 416 00:18:28,020 --> 00:18:30,860 The only problem there is you should have five per high school, 417 00:18:30,860 --> 00:18:32,860 because you can set them out on the court. 418 00:18:32,860 --> 00:18:35,660 And more kids can do more work. 419 00:18:35,660 --> 00:18:37,860 So John, we're all in. 420 00:18:37,860 --> 00:18:39,460 We don't have to ask the question of, 421 00:18:39,460 --> 00:18:40,940 why are you unique in the industry? 422 00:18:40,940 --> 00:18:44,300 Because the product answers that question itself. 423 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:48,340 And we love what's going on in the direction you're taking. 424 00:18:48,340 --> 00:18:49,780 Well, I appreciate that. 425 00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:52,900 And I've been working hard on this. 426 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:55,460 Certainly, it hasn't been without. 427 00:18:55,460 --> 00:18:59,300 It stumbles along the way and some issues here and there. 428 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:02,380 And making a consumer product is hard. 429 00:19:02,380 --> 00:19:05,060 No doubt about it. 430 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:11,020 Adding in software makes the degree of difficulty even higher. 431 00:19:11,020 --> 00:19:15,980 But I've been committed to this, and I am committed to it. 432 00:19:15,980 --> 00:19:20,900 So the results that I'm seeing from people that use it 433 00:19:20,900 --> 00:19:24,340 and are getting better quicker, the interest 434 00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:27,900 that I'm getting globally is outstanding. 435 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:31,820 So I'm loving working with guys like you. 436 00:19:31,820 --> 00:19:34,460 And I appreciate having the opportunity 437 00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:38,540 to be on this and to work with you guys. 438 00:19:38,540 --> 00:19:40,980 Bobby, you got anything else you want to chat with John 439 00:19:40,980 --> 00:19:42,900 about before I hit him with King of Tennis? 440 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:45,820 I just think about how I would have done this as a child 441 00:19:45,820 --> 00:19:48,420 listening to ACDC. 442 00:19:48,420 --> 00:19:50,300 I can still shoot eight out of 10 baskets. 443 00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:53,300 Because if I could do it by myself, I was golden. 444 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:54,980 I just needed another person with tennis. 445 00:19:54,980 --> 00:19:57,140 So it's so many buttons. 446 00:19:57,140 --> 00:19:59,780 And John, having been a poor kid and knowing 447 00:19:59,780 --> 00:20:02,500 his financial stress that he put on my family 448 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:04,820 to put me into the limited that I did play, 449 00:20:04,820 --> 00:20:08,420 we appreciate the fact that you're thinking about big picture 450 00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:09,660 and helping folks out. 451 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:12,460 Because if you certainly could, you do have room to wiggle. 452 00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:15,180 But we like where it's at right now. 453 00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:18,060 Well, I'll just leave you guys with this statistic, 454 00:20:18,060 --> 00:20:20,820 is that the industry-- 455 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:22,820 I don't know, I've seen varying statistics anywhere 456 00:20:22,820 --> 00:20:27,460 from 10 to 20 million tennis players in the US, 457 00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:29,020 which basically tells me-- 458 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:31,300 that's a fine niche market. 459 00:20:31,300 --> 00:20:34,180 But what that tells me is that there's probably-- 460 00:20:34,180 --> 00:20:35,140 what's that leave? 461 00:20:35,140 --> 00:20:39,580 330, 340 million people that don't play tennis? 462 00:20:39,580 --> 00:20:40,940 I like that market. 463 00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:46,780 And so if we can make it easier for people to come up the curve, 464 00:20:46,780 --> 00:20:48,460 that's gold. 465 00:20:48,460 --> 00:20:52,420 So my strategy is long-term greedy. 466 00:20:52,420 --> 00:20:54,660 I'm not trying to cut and run here. 467 00:20:54,660 --> 00:20:57,340 I want to build something that really works. 468 00:20:57,340 --> 00:20:58,940 It has efficacy to it. 469 00:20:58,940 --> 00:21:01,020 And people enjoy and like. 470 00:21:01,020 --> 00:21:03,580 And so that's what I'm doing. 471 00:21:03,580 --> 00:21:05,060 It's cheaper than a palaton. 472 00:21:05,060 --> 00:21:08,060 It's cheaper than a stand-ass-- 473 00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:11,740 and the statistics say tennis players live longer. 474 00:21:11,740 --> 00:21:14,500 So it's a great combination. 475 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:16,460 And you can do it in the privacy or home. 476 00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:18,020 Home home, nobody's going to see you do it. 477 00:21:18,020 --> 00:21:22,220 So it's a great way to get exercise. 478 00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:23,700 Totally great. 479 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:26,740 Well, and John, again, thank you for thanking us. 480 00:21:26,740 --> 00:21:28,660 But we appreciate you being here as well, 481 00:21:28,660 --> 00:21:30,980 because we want this out there. 482 00:21:30,980 --> 00:21:32,420 I also love the idea. 483 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:34,660 And I would call this potentially 484 00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:37,900 gamifying beginner tennis as well as giving somebody 485 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:40,500 a chance to just poke the ball back in the net 486 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:42,420 and just get that going. 487 00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:45,700 I'm looking forward in the spring to getting our two-year-old 488 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:46,220 on it. 489 00:21:46,220 --> 00:21:48,100 Because right now, he's got the little foam balls 490 00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:49,420 and the pickle ball paddle. 491 00:21:49,420 --> 00:21:50,740 And I think he's going to love this thing. 492 00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:53,780 Anything that shoots a ball at him infinitely, 493 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:54,620 he's going to be fine. 494 00:21:54,620 --> 00:21:57,980 But I do want to ask the question that I hope you know 495 00:21:57,980 --> 00:22:00,260 is coming to find out. 496 00:22:00,260 --> 00:22:01,260 It's my favorite question. 497 00:22:01,260 --> 00:22:04,780 We love to ask at the end is, if you were king of tennis, 498 00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:07,100 and I would guess other than the obvious of everybody 499 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:11,380 go by my product, if you were king of tennis, 500 00:22:11,380 --> 00:22:15,500 whether it's the whole world, just your area, just 501 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:17,940 the United States, professional, social, anything, 502 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:19,660 if you were king of tennis, is there anything 503 00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:21,940 you would do or change? 504 00:22:21,940 --> 00:22:23,620 You mean like get rid of pickle ball? 505 00:22:23,620 --> 00:22:24,620 Something like that. 506 00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:25,740 That is an idea. 507 00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:27,260 Yes. 508 00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:30,580 You know, look, it's an interesting question. 509 00:22:30,580 --> 00:22:35,620 And I guess from my standpoint, lower the cost, 510 00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:40,180 flatten the learning curve, compress the timeline, 511 00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:42,340 do the things that I'm trying to do. 512 00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:45,660 So I guess, I won't say I am the king of tennis. 513 00:22:45,660 --> 00:22:49,260 I'm maybe more like the Joker. 514 00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:52,540 But those are the things that I think are important 515 00:22:52,540 --> 00:22:54,820 to grow in the game. 516 00:22:54,820 --> 00:23:01,460 And that's my mission, right, is to make tennis available, 517 00:23:01,460 --> 00:23:04,060 make it easier, faster, less expensive, more fun 518 00:23:04,060 --> 00:23:07,860 for people of all backgrounds so that everyone can enjoy 519 00:23:07,860 --> 00:23:09,460 the rewards of playing tennis. 520 00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:11,300 And like you say, the research shows. 521 00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:12,660 You play tennis, you live longer. 522 00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:19,340 So if I were king, that's what I would do, which I'm doing. 523 00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:20,780 That's even better, Bobby. 524 00:23:20,780 --> 00:23:22,100 Do we have the numbers? 525 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,580 We have the percentage on king of tennis 526 00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:27,620 that the answer either actually does even 527 00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:30,540 have potential to happen. 528 00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:33,380 But also, he's actually doing it. 529 00:23:33,380 --> 00:23:35,540 He's working toward his own goal. 530 00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:37,980 We're not even just-- we're accomplishing it. 531 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:40,700 This is a first, I think. 532 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:43,980 Yeah, this is a big, high first one. 533 00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:44,780 That's good. 534 00:23:44,780 --> 00:23:46,340 Well, John, great answer. 535 00:23:46,340 --> 00:23:46,860 Love it. 536 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:50,180 And we're happy to help as much as we can. 537 00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:52,620 Look, you're talking to the company. 538 00:23:52,620 --> 00:23:58,100 So if somebody has a problem, they call me, they get me. 539 00:23:58,100 --> 00:23:59,660 I'm a small business. 540 00:23:59,660 --> 00:24:03,260 And so word-of-mouth is great. 541 00:24:03,260 --> 00:24:05,380 I love getting feedback from people, 542 00:24:05,380 --> 00:24:07,740 posts on social media, that kind of stuff, 543 00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:10,180 and tell your friends. 544 00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:13,540 But basically, this is something that-- 545 00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:15,100 Bobby, I would have worn it out too. 546 00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:18,940 I made it for me when I was 12 years old. 547 00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:20,900 But it's not just for little kids. 548 00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:23,340 I mean, I've got women with babies. 549 00:24:23,340 --> 00:24:27,980 I've got older people that their knees are not what they used to be. 550 00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:30,180 So it kind of runs the gamut. 551 00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:33,700 And I hope that more people can try it out. 552 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:38,300 And I hope we get more people playing tennis. 553 00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:39,700 Well, there you have it. 554 00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:42,700 We want to thank reGeovinate.com for use of the studio 555 00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:44,860 and signature tennis for their support. 556 00:24:44,860 --> 00:24:46,700 And be sure to hit that follow button. 557 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:48,300 For more racket sports content, 558 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