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Emily:
It's like, but why didn't you already know your neighbors?

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Why did you not already know your neighbors? Like, please be honest about that.

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You know, and then while at the same time, it's like we have this loneliness epidemic.

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Talk to your neighbors. Talk to the people around you. Put the phones down. You know what I mean?

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Danny:
Hi, and welcome to 5 Random Questions, the show with unexpected questions

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and unfiltered answers.

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I'm your host, Danny Brown. And each week, I'll be asking my guests five questions

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created by a random question generator.

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The guest has no idea what the questions are, and neither do I,

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which means this could go either way.

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So sit back, relax, and let's dive into this week's episode.

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Today's guest is Emily Williams. Emily is a Webby, Signal, and Anthem award-winning

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podcast host and former Executive Director of the Arcus Centre for Social Justice Leadership.

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A gender studies scholar and global advocate for social justice,

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Emily has worked with communities in more than 20 countries and co-founded the

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Social Justice Initiative at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

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Her work includes contributing to a global treaty adopted by the United Nations

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and decades of leadership in advancing equity, gender justice,

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and human rights in the US and beyond.

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Danny:
So, Emily, welcome to 5 Random Questions.

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Emily:
Thank you, Danny. I'm so excited to be here.

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Danny:
I'm excited to have you. And just going over your bio there in the introduction,

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it's an incredibly impressive list of achievements and

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reading on your website you previously worked

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you know at a normal sort of 9-5 job but you mentioned it's like a really stifling

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and unhealthy environment until you left and started to forge your own path

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so I'm curious was that the push that led you to where you are today was it

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like the environment that put you on that path for part of what you campaigned for now?

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Emily:
Interesting. Thank you. And thank you, Danny. I'm really excited to be here.

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You know, I would say it's not that...

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That position in particular that's gotten me to this path, I have noticed while

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being on this path that women of color experience a lot of hostility and aggression in the workplace.

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And there's plenty of research to support this, that women of color and Black

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women in particular are the most harassed group in the workplace.

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And so it's an area that is not often focused on.

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And because I am someone who has a very strong sense of justice,

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someone who has a lot of experience advocating for justice, I also know that

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that then means that I need to advocate for justice in the workplace for myself and for others.

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And I'd imagine, I don't live in the US and I'm of the stereotypical,

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very privileged position of being a middle-page white guy.

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I would imagine with changes at the government level, so different leaders come in.

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So obviously you have Democrat, Republican, Republican, Democrat,

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et cetera, and different leadership approaches, if you like.

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How does that impact your work and what you're doing when you've got swing from

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up here to down here and all the things in between?

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Emily:
Yeah, yeah, that's a really great question. Who's in office matters a lot for the work that I do.

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You know, when we have someone who is really promoting, you know,

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policies that make life more livable for people that, you know,

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honor the integrity of all human lives, right?

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My work is much easier when we have an administration who is hostile to other

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human beings and who seeks to,

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sow division and creates harmful policies makes my life well my work a lot more difficult and uh.

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You know, that's a problem because, you know, number one, I think we're seeing

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that the majority of Americans do not want these kinds of hostile,

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harmful policies that we're seeing more of right now.

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And actually, you know, the policies around or the emphasis on diversity,

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equity and inclusion, respecting human rights, ending war, those policies,

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you know, have been quite popular, actually.

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And we see that now even with the election of Zoran Mamdani and across the country

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where elected officials are trying to have these policies that represent a people

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first mentality and a profit sometime later mentality, right?

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Which we also have seen here in Chicago just recently with the city budget and

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the mayor, you know, wanting to tax the largest corporations so that we could have,

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you know, more funds to support the people who live in Chicago.

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Danny:
It is interesting. I'm not very well versed. I should say not versed. That's the wrong word.

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I'm completely not very well versed in politics and, you know,

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policies, etc. My friend in Toronto, Sam, really well, he studied it for years as well.

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And it's always interesting to look at how different countries and governments, etc., approach things.

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I know one of the big things here in Canada, not to get too political because

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I do try to keep away from that.

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One of the big things here in Canada is UBI, Universal Basic Income.

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Do you feel that's something that maybe the US and other countries that haven't

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adopted it may be thinking more of now as, you know, the world changes, I guess?

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Emily:
I don't know that governments are thinking about that so much,

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but I know that activists are.

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And especially as we see, you know, kind of this rise of artificial intelligence

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and, you know, the predictions that AI is going to take over,

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you know, so many jobs in the next, you know, one to three years.

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Well, then the question remains, if a large sector of society is going to get

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pushed out of the workforce, how will they then meet their basic needs if they're

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not able to work for wages?

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So that then pushes us into this conversation about universal basic income.

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And here in Chicago, some places in Michigan and elsewhere in the U.S.,

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there are some really interesting pilot programs around basic income.

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And it's not surprising to someone like me and probably not to you either, Danny,

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they work really well, right? Imagine that, you know, a family,

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you know, who was previously low income can depend on having even $500 to $1,000

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a month, and that they can actually plan to meet the needs of their family, right?

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So I think that, you know, along as AI continues to rapidly advance,

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I think that societies are going to be pushed into this conversation around

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universal basic income.

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Danny:
Yeah, it'll be interesting to watch. I know when the lockdown happened,

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the pandemic was in its prime, for want of a better word.

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The Canadian government gave an amount of X amount of $1,000 per month to people

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that needed it to top up income, etc.

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And that made a huge difference. That kept so many families afloat and so many

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houses not going under the hammer for auction, etc.

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So I feel that there needs to be something like that for sure.

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Emily:
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just another form of stimulus, right,

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of stimulating the economy, of bolstering the economy, really.

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So we can start, you know, this goes back to the people first policies.

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I think, Dani, honestly, I mean, I'm an optimist. I'm also a realist.

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I think it's only a matter of time before we're seeing many more of these kinds

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of policies that are much more humane, that are actually supporting people.

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You know, at least here in the U.S., and I know that our policies aren't isolated

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to, you know, the landmass of the United States.

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I think we have at least a tough year, a few more tough months.

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But after that, I think we're going to see much more humane,

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much more just policies and approaches to governing.

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Danny:
Well, fingers crossed. I will. I'm 100% with you on that. Fingers crossed.

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Danny:
I'm crossing toes in hell. But yeah, I know we shall get you a wee,

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well not wee, I'm not a royal wee I shall definitely get you back in the show,

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we'll have a look at, you know Let's revisit this in say two,

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three years time and see how things panned out Yeah

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In the meantime though, I'm going to switch lanes and bring you into the 5 Random Questions

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hot seat Are we ready for this Emily?

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Emily:
Okay, I'm ready, I'm ready Alrighty.

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Danny:
Let's bring up the random question generator

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Danny:
Okay. Yeah, I like this as a one to start, actually, with giving your background, actually.

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So, Emily, question number one. Do you believe people are inherently good?

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Emily:
This might be controversial, Dani, but I do not. I do not believe people are inherently good. No.

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I believe that there are some people who are good and great and super well-intentioned,

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and I believe that there are some people who are not well-intentioned.

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In fact, they are very malicious and have bad intent. I believe that.

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I mean, I think, you know, I got asked a question similar to this in an interview a few months back.

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But, you know, it's hard to believe that, you know, for instance,

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what we're seeing play out here in the U.S.

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That, you know, we could cause so much harm and to believe that the people who

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are doing this repeatedly time and time again are inherently good.

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And so I don't think, you know, I said earlier, I'm an optimist, but I'm also a realist.

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I don't think there's anything wrong with that, right? I think it is okay.

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I think we have to actually be able to prepare ourselves to say,

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there are some people who have really bad intentions and we need to know that

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so that we can navigate this life in a realistic way and in a healthy way.

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Because I think when we believe that everyone is good, then people aren't held accountable.

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You know, I think that's sometimes where we see things like toxic positivity

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having a really negative impact, right?

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It's like, no, some people are not good. Some things are really harmful.

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There are some really negative things in the world and we have to be able to

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address them so that we can come up with solutions, right?

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Danny:
It's interesting. As we recorded this on Thursday, January 8th,

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the latest episode just dropped earlier today.

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My guest on that, Rob Lynch, one of the questions he had was about...

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It was a similar kind of question, but it was around about being good and bad.

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And does power come from, does toxicity and power, et cetera,

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come from if you have money early on or you work hard and you come from poverty

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or not having a lot of money to start with.

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So you work hard and you understand empathy and what it takes to be a good person,

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show kindness, et cetera. do you feel sometimes that to your point that inherently

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good is not in everyone do you think that sometimes comes from

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background of how being raised you know and what obviously you know was there

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money and power involved where you basically had anything you want so you didn't

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really understand what it was like to be kind to others that were looking to

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help you if that makes sense yeah

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Emily:
No I think that's a really interesting question you know this notion that like

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well someone has early trauma you know and then that impacts their behavior

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and the harm that they cause as an adult you know how do we understand that?

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Or how do we consider that when we consider a person's actions?

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And I do think, absolutely, childhood trauma or adversity, I think that certainly

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has a lot to do with, or it certainly informs a person's behavior throughout

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their life and into adulthood.

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And people are at various stages of healing or not healing at any given time.

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And at the same time, it cannot excuse any harm that's done, right?

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So I think that we have to, you know, have create more spaces for people to

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heal, to normalize talking about these kinds of things, to normalize like a healing process.

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I mean, you know, really, it's only been in the last decade,

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decade and a half, that therapy has really become more in the mainstream,

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more normalized, right?

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And some people are just starting to dip their toe into that world.

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And Some have it, you know?

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And so I think we also, and this is where, you know, we want to talk about like

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narcissists or sociopaths, all these things.

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Often there is a root cause of childhood trauma, right? Right.

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But I think we also need to have, you know, some really well-defined points

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of accountability, right?

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So, Dani, here's like a, this is like one thing I'm thinking about, right?

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You know, what has, I mean, we've all done things that, you know,

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probably, you know, maybe our younger selves wouldn't stand by now,

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or maybe we did things unintentionally that had a negative impact, right?

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And, you know, when I think about like what causes people to change,

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is it that someone was coddling you and said, I know that you're a great person.

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You didn't mean it. And you had all these things.

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Or was it the times when you had to face consequences for that negative behavior?

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I mean, what causes change, right?

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And I would say that more often than not, it's the consequences that create change, right?

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And so, you know, when we see some of these, you know,

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very powerful, very wealthy people who are creating harm,

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even when they've had childhood trauma or childhood adversity,

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part of the reason why they continue to create that harm is because they don't

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have significant enough consequences right for their actions so i do believe

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in compassion i do believe in empathy i also believe in accountability and consequences

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uh and i believe in in ending harm that's.

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Danny:
A really important point i know um there's a lot of talk obviously about you

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know helicopter parenting uh And it's my wife and I, we've got two kids, they're both teens now.

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And it was always hard to, how far do you go to protect, but also how far do

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you go to let them go on their own to understand, well, what you did was bad and this is why.

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And then also make sure that they learn, you know, without pushing back.

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Because, you know, as kids get older, the more a parent tells them we do one

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thing, they'll push back and that.

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So do you feel like not enough accountability happens at the family level And

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this is probably simplifying it.

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I apologise to anybody that feels that. I do apologise.

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Do you feel sometimes families, educators, etc. have more...

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Or should have more allowance to show accountability.

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Because sometimes, you know, it's harder to discipline kids.

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Obviously, you don't want to strike kids or anything.

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But do you know what I'm trying to say? I feel like I'm struggling here.

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I don't want to simplify it.

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Emily:
Yeah, no, I think I'm picking up what you're putting down. And one thing that

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I've, I think it's a generational shift.

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You know, I think about some of the ways that I was raised.

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You know, tough love is a thing. You know, and I, and it was the thing that,

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you know, we had rules, we had consequences, you know, we had high standards

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and expectations for how we behave and how we treated one another and ourselves. Yeah.

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And, you know, that extended to things like school, that extended to things

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like athletics or extracurriculars.

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And there's been a shift in that, like, we, I think it's gone too far in the

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other direction of we can't, we can't, you know, ask kids to do things that

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they don't feel comfortable with, right? Whether or not it's good for them.

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You know, one thing that I think about a lot in sports is that like,

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you know, I played basketball for a very long time and we got yelled at,

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you know, we, you know, our coaches were tough on us.

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We were really good. You know, uh, we have a lot of character,

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but nowadays, you know, you can't do that.

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You can't yell at kids, um, in athletics.

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I'm not arguing for yelling that kids are not in sports, but I think that there's

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an absence of, you know, an ethic of learning from adversity, right?

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Navigating one's way through things and struggling a bit.

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You know, everything shouldn't be easy, right? And everything shouldn't also

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be about an individual's comfort level, right?

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Because then we see hyper-individualization, right?

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Where's the collective values, right? Where's the community building?

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A lot of young people nowadays don't have those skills, right?

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It's very difficult for them to engage with a new person at the grocery store, right?

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These things aren't normal. We should be able to say hello, look a person in

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the eye at the grocery store, right?

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And also, you know, going back to what I said earlier, people more often than

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not learn from consequences, right?

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As opposed to, well, let's just make everything easy, everything nice.

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You're lovable. I love you. All of that is, of course, but we also have to have the consequences.

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And I think, you know, maybe we don't have to go to the extreme of like,

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you know, sometimes tough love can be abused, you know, but there's also something

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very real and useful about that notion of tough love of like, I love you.

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And so you need to develop, you know, this character skill, right?

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I know it's uncomfortable for you to speak to people at the grocery store,

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but you're going to need to put your phone down, look people in the eye,

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say hello, say thank you, right? Hold the door open for someone.

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You know, I think that we've gotten away from some of those kinds of niceties,

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maybe even, is a problem.

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Because now it's like, you know, at least in the activist world.

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You hear so much about, well, we have to build community, build where you are.

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It's like, but why didn't you already know your neighbors?

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Why did you not already know your neighbors? Please be honest about that.

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And then while at the same time, it's like we have this loneliness epidemic.

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Talk to your neighbors, talk to the people around you, put the phones down. You know what I mean?

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Maybe it's a little awkward. That's okay.

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That's an experience too. You know, so,

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you know, going back to your question about is the parenting,

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you know, helicopter parenting or like the we're not going to make them do anything

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kind of parenting is I do think that we're not doing I think we're doing our kids a disservice.

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I think that kids need consequences. They need structure.

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They need love. And they got to get outside of their comfort zone.

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And that often takes a nudge from parents and other supportive adults around them.

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Danny:
No, I'd say that's a great answer. And you more eloquently stated it than I

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was trying to say. So I thank you for that, Emily.

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So that was definitely an interesting one to open up proceedings with.

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Let's have a look at what question number two brings up.

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Okay.

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Question number two, Emily. What was, as in past tense, what was your saddest moment?

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Oh, my God. Why? I feel like I'm getting serious questions.

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Um you know danny and i i think i might i may feel really sad right i do feel

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sad about it right now but um my best friend um disappeared from a yoga retreat

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um in the summer 2024 and um,

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it was the kind of situation where from you know from the first um conversation

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with authorities she was in the Bahamas.

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So the first conversation with authorities, it was automatically suspect,

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right? Things didn't sound right.

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And so myself and my friend's mother and a few other people,

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we went to the Bahamas and, you know, we tried to figure out what was happening.

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And that ended up being a long process because, you know, there was no real investigation.

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Investigation we weren't able to like really we're having a

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hard time getting people to do their jobs

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essentially like you know um i'm not a police officer but i know the basic things

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that you need to do in order to have an effective investigation right so um

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you know it's it's been the saddest moment without a doubt and i'll say this too is that um.

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Taylor was my best friend for about 16 years, you know, and that's been about

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the majority of my adult life.

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And, you know, for someone who's not married, who doesn't have children,

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you know, my best friend was my person.

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You know, Taylor was my person. You know, everything, every life milestone,

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you know, from the big things to the small things, you know.

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And so I miss her immensely.

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And it also just remains like a huge sense of injustice.

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Number one, it's like, why did that happen to my best friend?

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And then two, Taylor is black and trans.

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And we are quite sure that it was an act of violence rooted in anti-blackness,

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rooted in transphobia, which led to her disappearance.

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And so that's another layer of...

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You know, I guess I could say sadness is probably at the root of it,

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but it's also just a lot of anger, you know, it's like, that's not right.

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Nobody should be treated that way, you know, and trans people have a right to

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be who they are, just like we all do, you know, and, you know,

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despite so many efforts.

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And for me, someone like me, who's my entire career has been devoted to social justice, you know?

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And so, um, there's just another level of frustration and sadness.

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Um, but that's without a doubt. I mean, I miss my best friend every day, you know?

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And in some ways it's like, you know, I still have these moments of like, is it real?

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You know, cause you know, also you have a bond with someone when you're so close

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with someone, when they're your person, you know, You feel them so deeply,

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right? The connection and the bond is so deep.

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And thank goodness that things like that don't go away. You know,

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the connection and that bond, at least that doesn't go away.

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But I want my friend, you know, I want her here with me.

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One, I'm really, truly sorry for that happening.

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Thank you. And I can't even begin to imagine, you know, what that would feel

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like and did feel like at the time as well.

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Was there ever any closure?

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Was there anything on the case that was closed or is it still outstanding?

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If you don't mind me asking.

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Emily:
Yeah, no, it's OK. It's still technically an open investigation,

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but, you know, they're not actively investigating her disappearance.

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You know the only thing and I said this in the press conference it's all over

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social media but the only reason why anything happened is because we pushed

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for it to happen you know and thank goodness that,

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media here in Chicago, in the U.S., and also some media in the Bahamas were

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really supportive to really push it forward and to raise awareness about what happened.

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And those kinds of things made the authorities do something.

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But like I said, and I've said this from the very beginning,

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you can look at what the authorities said that they did and tell that they were

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not trying to find out what happened to Taylor.

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And so people know, people know what happened.

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You know, I believe that people who were at that yoga retreat,

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who are part of the authorities in the Bahamas, probably who are,

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you know, somehow just part of like street culture in the Bahamas,

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I think they know exactly.

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And so, you know, my hope is that people will just come forward and say,

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listen, this is what happened. This is what we saw.

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You know, I hope that at some point someone's brave enough to do that, you know?

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Yeah. So otherwise, no, we don't know. There hasn't been closure in terms of

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having the details of what actually happened.

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Danny:
Yeah. Well, I mean, hopefully, and I don't want this to sound glib 100%,

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hopefully, you know, there will be some form of closure for you and Taylor's family and loved ones.

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Because, like I said, I can't even imagine, begin to imagine what that must

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have been like. I'm really glad you got to spend 16 amazing years by the sounds of it with Taylor.

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And obviously you've got fantastic memories to take forward of Taylor so that's

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always something like you say when you have that bond, it's always nice to have

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that for the moments when you need it most, right?

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Emily:
Right, right, right, right, yeah, that doesn't change, you know?

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Danny:
100%, well, thank you for sharing that, I'm really, truly sorry for that and

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sorry for that question popping up but I appreciate your answering, Emily, thank you Yeah,

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Yeah, no problem.

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Danny:
Let's look to switch things over um as you mentioned that's kind of two serious

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quiet kind of questions there i

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Know it's got silly.

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So let's uh let's have let's have

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a look um this one i like this one actually um because it's i'm a bit of a geek

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at heart um i love superheroes etc so emily question number three if you could

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choose and this has been in an episode before but i really do i'm really curious

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about yours so far so emily if you could choose to have any useless superpower. What would you pick?

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Any useless superpower. What would I pick? Any useless superpower.

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Um you know i think honestly i would just like fly would you class.

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Danny:
That as useless though

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No that's not useless no you're you're right that's not i.

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Danny:
Feel like it'd be kind of cool we like save on planes and stuff and people on

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planes that you don't like

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Right right and just hang out in the air you know in the sky um what would be

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like what would be an example of a useless superpower, like being able to read people's minds?

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I guess it depends how you're going to use it, right?

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But maybe if having like, I mean, I don't know, I'm trying to think of the answer

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that my guest shared that time when this question popped up,

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but maybe something like, you could be the world's strongest person,

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but you can't do anything unless you use your pinky or something.

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Okay. I mean, that's not the answer. That's an example.

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But yeah, I guess a useful superpower Or be something that's just no fun to have.

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Like, you could be invisible, which is awesome. But then you could be like,

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yeah, I don't know, like invisible.

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But also, you've got a very, very quiet voice. So people can't hear you.

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Or you've got a really loud voice. Like, that's better.

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You've got a really loud voice. And people know you're there anyway.

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Emily:
Okay, okay. Let me see about this. I think if I could have any useless superpower...

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You know, I just sometimes like I like to, I'm thinking about my dad here.

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I like to kind of say things to just get like a rise out of him,

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you know, and then I like to just kind of like make a joke out of it,

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you know, like real like youngest daughter stuff.

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I would like to do that, you know, to be able to like, you know,

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like, you know, maybe like,

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Emily:
um, help someone see something that they, um, is maybe like a,

388
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Emily:
like an irritant for them or something.

389
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Emily:
Maybe it's kind of irrational, but then just like, did not have to like,

390
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Emily:
have the consequences of it, be able to like, see it play out,

391
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,140
Emily:
you know, like, that's what I love doing about like my father,

392
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:42,320
Emily:
like I, I was home over the holidays and, um, he has like a very clean house

393
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Emily:
and a very clean kitchen.

394
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:50,940
Emily:
And, um, I made a joke that I warmed up, um, some like lasagna in the microwave and it exploded.

395
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,560
Emily:
And he was like, you know, popped up from the couch so quick, you know?

396
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,960
Emily:
And it was my brother and I thought it was hilarious, you know?

397
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Emily:
And, um, Um, after that, that was like one of the early days that I was there

398
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:08,940
Emily:
after that, he like, he chilled out a little bit, you know, he wasn't on everybody

399
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:11,920
Emily:
about, well, get your dishes done, you know, clean the kitchen, all these things.

400
00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:16,820
Emily:
And so I think if there's a way, if I can have a superpower of like helping

401
00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:21,500
Emily:
people see like, this is where you're wound very tightly, you know,

402
00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:26,840
Emily:
but then not have them like be able to project it onto me was because you did whatever.

403
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,860
Emily:
I think maybe that would be my superpower of like, you're wound really tightly right here.

404
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,360
Emily:
I'm going to like have a superpower of revealing it to you, but you're not going

405
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,940
Emily:
to be able to make it about me, you know?

406
00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:45,180
Danny:
I do like that because it's still got kindness associated with it because originally

407
00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:49,780
Danny:
when you're trying to wind people up, it's trying to get, like you say,

408
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:53,880
Danny:
get a rise out of them, which could get them really frustrated and ruin their day, obviously.

409
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:57,620
Danny:
But I do like that you sort of spin it back to where, you know,

410
00:29:58,780 --> 00:30:01,800
Danny:
even though you've not got accountability, you know, shame on you from your

411
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,060
Danny:
previous answer, but no accountability on that one.

412
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:07,180
Danny:
But yeah, I like how it's like maybe even helping them understand,

413
00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:10,280
Danny:
hey, you've got this wheel a little bit wound tightly up.

414
00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:13,160
Danny:
This is how you can maybe, you know, do you really need to be that way?

415
00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:15,220
Emily:
Right. Is it really serving you?

416
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,460
Danny:
Yeah. I mean, it would suck. I've had stuff explode in the microwave before

417
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:23,320
Danny:
and it sucks. You've got to clean it up, but it's not fun.

418
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,660
Danny:
And then you can't eat it or maybe you can. I don't know. It depends on the explosion.

419
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,420
Emily:
You have to scrape it off the sides.

420
00:30:29,540 --> 00:30:35,980
Danny:
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But yeah, I wouldn't want that to ruin my day because

421
00:30:35,980 --> 00:30:37,480
Danny:
someone else did it, right?

422
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,020
Danny:
I understand it's his house and he wants it to be a certain way, etc.

423
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,420
Emily:
Right, right, right.

424
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:47,240
Danny:
And my guest on the first episode of this new season, Keisha TK Dutez,

425
00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:51,660
Danny:
she was mentioning about her mom, who's from Jamaica, about,

426
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,420
Danny:
you know, having, you know, plastic on the sofa and everything.

427
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:59,080
Danny:
Sounds similar, like a generational thing again, going back to your generational comment there.

428
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,940
Emily:
Right, right, right, right. and it's like you know how can you respect with

429
00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:07,160
Emily:
also like but we want it to be just a little bit different you know or like

430
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,820
Emily:
there's a different way maybe of doing it like have you considered it you know.

431
00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:15,180
Danny:
Well i like that i think that's i think that class is more than classes as a

432
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:18,840
Danny:
useless superpower but one that brings value which is always a nice thing to

433
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:24,780
Danny:
have so i like that one okay okay let's have a look at what question number

434
00:31:24,780 --> 00:31:29,000
Danny:
four brings up okay okay i'm going to ask this,

435
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,400
Danny:
because we were kind of chatting in the green room earlier before recording,

436
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,420
Danny:
Emily. So question number four.

437
00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:37,720
Danny:
Do you prefer to travel or stay close to home?

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00:31:38,260 --> 00:31:40,340
Emily:
That's a really good question. I...

439
00:31:41,790 --> 00:31:44,590
Emily:
It's tough because I'm like the kind of person, I travel a lot.

440
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:51,430
Emily:
And I would always notice that just before like a trip, I would like have this

441
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:54,170
Emily:
kind of like nerve and anxiety of like, oh, I just want to stay home.

442
00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:56,970
Emily:
You know, it's so comfy. I love it so much. I want to hang out with my friends here.

443
00:31:57,930 --> 00:32:01,810
Emily:
And then when I would get out in the world or arrive at my destination,

444
00:32:01,810 --> 00:32:03,610
Emily:
I would be like, I'm never going back.

445
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:11,390
Emily:
So that tension is real for me. But I think that I would prefer to travel.

446
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:17,210
Emily:
I mean, the world is so big, you know, and there are so many beautiful places

447
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:23,710
Emily:
and people and things to see and experience and like learn from that.

448
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:25,750
Emily:
I would say, certainly I would rather travel.

449
00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:29,930
Emily:
I, I, you know, I live in Chicago and I love it so much.

450
00:32:30,410 --> 00:32:34,050
Emily:
And, um, there still are so many places that I want to see in the world,

451
00:32:34,270 --> 00:32:36,670
Emily:
experience people I want to connect with.

452
00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:43,270
Emily:
And, you know, what I also really love about traveled is the anonymity of it.

453
00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:49,210
Emily:
You know, it's like, okay, I'm like over here somewhere else in the world where

454
00:32:49,210 --> 00:32:52,410
Emily:
I've never been, no one knows me.

455
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:55,830
Emily:
And, um, I find a real freedom in that.

456
00:32:56,350 --> 00:33:01,750
Emily:
And then I also find like a real, uh, like heartwarming affirmation and the

457
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:04,830
Emily:
kinds of connections that we're able to make with people, um,

458
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:10,150
Emily:
who we've ever met, who we have zero familiarity with in terms of culture or society.

459
00:33:10,930 --> 00:33:15,170
Emily:
And those are the kinds of experiences that really make me, you know,

460
00:33:15,310 --> 00:33:19,390
Emily:
feel like, um, that are so valuable in life, you know,

461
00:33:20,030 --> 00:33:24,090
Emily:
and, and really drive me, they really actually drive my sense of justice,

462
00:33:24,570 --> 00:33:29,370
Emily:
you know, and my sense of community of like, you know, we're all out here,

463
00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:34,630
Emily:
you know, we're all humans here trying to do, trying to live our lives in like

464
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:36,490
Emily:
the best way that we can, you know.

465
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,780
Emily:
And, yeah, so, and, you know, and so when I, you know, see things,

466
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:50,100
Emily:
decisions, policies, people who infringe upon that, like, basic aspect of humanity

467
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:55,900
Emily:
or that basic humanity, it's like, I just feel like we really feel so much urgency

468
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:57,320
Emily:
around trying to protect that,

469
00:33:57,540 --> 00:34:00,880
Emily:
you know, and not only protect it, but increase it for people.

470
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,800
Danny:
It's interesting that you mentioned about the anonymity, anonymity,

471
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,580
Danny:
put my words correct there.

472
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:12,600
Danny:
And I'm just thinking back to your earlier answer about how,

473
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:15,840
Danny:
you know, we don't speak to our neighbours or people in the grocery store, etc.

474
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:20,260
Danny:
People easily speak to people, complete strangers, on a beach,

475
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,720
Danny:
you know, hiking up a mountain or whatever.

476
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,200
Danny:
I guess you've got to speak to people hiking up a mountain.

477
00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:30,140
Danny:
It's a bit more isolated.

478
00:34:31,170 --> 00:34:34,110
Danny:
Do you think it's just because you're on holiday, you're on vacation,

479
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:37,330
Danny:
you're in a different place as opposed to your local neighborhood?

480
00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:41,630
Danny:
Do you think that's maybe why it's a little bit easier to just say hi and strike

481
00:34:41,630 --> 00:34:45,150
Danny:
up a conversation with a complete stranger from a completely other part of the world?

482
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:49,050
Emily:
I think that's true for some people, for sure.

483
00:34:49,370 --> 00:34:52,850
Emily:
Yeah, I think that, you know, I mean, I just also want to say,

484
00:34:52,930 --> 00:34:58,350
Emily:
like, I know my neighbors, you know, but there's also an intimacy that comes

485
00:34:58,350 --> 00:35:01,350
Emily:
with that, you know. So I know my neighbors.

486
00:35:01,690 --> 00:35:07,270
Emily:
They know things about me just because we live near one another.

487
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:10,090
Emily:
And so I think that can be really uncomfortable for people.

488
00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:17,730
Emily:
And even when I, to maintain our rapport, I got to say hi to my neighbors even

489
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:24,090
Emily:
when I'm really feeling like not talking to anybody or whatever the case may be.

490
00:35:24,090 --> 00:35:27,430
Emily:
Or when I'm frustrated with my dog, you know, I still have to say hi to my neighbors, you know?

491
00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:31,550
Emily:
So, um, I think there's like an intimacy that people can be really uncomfortable

492
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:33,990
Emily:
with because you got to see those people again and again and again.

493
00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:38,110
Emily:
And I think when people are traveling, one, I think traveling,

494
00:35:38,130 --> 00:35:43,390
Emily:
you know, I think even though people will maybe be cautious and.

495
00:35:44,650 --> 00:35:48,450
Emily:
Protective, there's, it's also disarming in ways, you know, because everything's

496
00:35:48,450 --> 00:35:52,230
Emily:
new, it's exciting and it's affirming in so many ways.

497
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:56,150
Emily:
So I think people are just often in a better mood while traveling.

498
00:35:56,490 --> 00:35:59,470
Emily:
And I think it's time bound, you know?

499
00:35:59,650 --> 00:36:03,970
Emily:
And so people know, all right, I'm going to be on the beach here for two days

500
00:36:03,970 --> 00:36:07,690
Emily:
and I'm going to make best friends with this, you know, the person who's serving

501
00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:10,970
Emily:
me, you know, food and beverages or, you know,

502
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:15,230
Emily:
our taxi driver, we're going to like, you know, have the same taxi driver for

503
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:16,410
Emily:
the whole time that we're here.

504
00:36:17,170 --> 00:36:22,130
Emily:
So I do think that that's easier. And I also just, I also think that.

505
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,940
Emily:
Obviously not every other country, but in so many other countries,

506
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:36,260
Emily:
human connection is much deeper and much more regular part of society.

507
00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:42,600
Emily:
So you go to a lot of cultures where there's all kinds of people out in public

508
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,640
Emily:
and everybody's talking to everybody and the expectation or the cultural standard

509
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,580
Emily:
is that, you know, people stick together, people support one another.

510
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:55,340
Emily:
And so that extends to the tourists who are there as well.

511
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,220
Emily:
And so I think that also makes it easier because, you know, one is in this environment

512
00:37:00,220 --> 00:37:02,180
Emily:
where this is just the standard.

513
00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:07,240
Emily:
This is just how it happens, right? And so, you know, even for people who are

514
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:11,460
Emily:
reluctant at first, you know, you can only be immersed in an environment or

515
00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:14,860
Emily:
culture for so long and resist it, right?

516
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,140
Emily:
You know, it takes so much more energy to resist a culture like that than it

517
00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:21,600
Emily:
does just be like oh hey let's connect let's talk you know all these things.

518
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,840
Danny:
Yeah i i hear you on that my friend

519
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,540
Danny:
um sam who had mentioned earlier actually um who's and you know learned politics

520
00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:38,220
Danny:
etc etc um he turned 50 back in 2018 and we went to scotland uh for his 50th

521
00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:43,080
Danny:
and it was just like just the two of us uh just like uh we did like a 30, 12, 13-day jaunt.

522
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:47,340
Danny:
So the first half was like a whiskey tasting tour up in the highlands of Scotland, which was awesome.

523
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:48,020
Emily:
Yeah.

524
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,000
Danny:
And then the second half was sightseeing. And what Sam loved,

525
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:55,500
Danny:
because he's born and bred Canadian and lived in Toronto for the majority of

526
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:56,820
Danny:
his life, works in Toronto.

527
00:37:57,260 --> 00:38:00,200
Danny:
So it's a really busy city, obviously. Yeah.

528
00:38:00,380 --> 00:38:04,060
Danny:
And people are generally heads down, getting to their business,

529
00:38:04,260 --> 00:38:05,280
Danny:
place they work at, et cetera.

530
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,900
Danny:
When we were in Scotland, when we'd go out for dinner on an evening and watch

531
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:12,380
Danny:
football on the TV, all the locals would invite us over and just like

532
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:15,950
Danny:
Say hiya when you walked in the door. Ask him, you know, where you're from?

533
00:38:16,030 --> 00:38:17,550
Danny:
How's your day's been? What do you want to drink?

534
00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:20,830
Danny:
Here, you should eat that and that. And he was blown away. He said,

535
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:24,430
Danny:
you would never, ever get that in a downtown bar in Toronto, for example.

536
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:29,470
Danny:
So just to your point on like a really simple level, it's a great example that you use there.

537
00:38:29,950 --> 00:38:35,810
Emily:
Yeah, yeah. Thank you. And now, Danny, you're like, you're kind of stirring up my desire to travel.

538
00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:38,110
Emily:
I have been like holding off for a little while. And I'm like,

539
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:41,410
Emily:
it might be time to get back out in the world.

540
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:46,650
Danny:
What's your ideal, like, if you could choose your preferred vacation?

541
00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:50,410
Danny:
Is it, like, something that's busy and really full itinerary?

542
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:52,270
Danny:
Or do you like to sort of just switch off, relax?

543
00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:57,870
Emily:
In my ideal travel, Dani, is I like to have a little bit of, like,

544
00:38:58,830 --> 00:39:04,430
Emily:
you know, if we can get, like, a solid two weeks on a trip, then I want to spend

545
00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:07,590
Emily:
one week in the city, and I want to spend...

546
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,740
Emily:
Probably about five days at the beach.

547
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,420
Emily:
I just, you know, call it what you want. I love a beach and,

548
00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:19,620
Emily:
you know, being by the ocean, sometimes it just feels so spiritual and to,

549
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,560
Emily:
you know, kind of slow down after having been in the city, going to the cultural sites,

550
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:27,480
Emily:
you know, connecting with people, learning about things.

551
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,900
Emily:
And I've also, you know, I've worked globally.

552
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:37,560
Emily:
And so having the meetings in the city, you know, following that up with some, some quiet beach time.

553
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,000
Emily:
And maybe it's not always so quiet, you know, but, you know,

554
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,220
Emily:
being able to be in the natural beauty and have that like reflection,

555
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,340
Emily:
feel the connection to the ocean and to the people who are nearby.

556
00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:52,060
Emily:
That's how I prefer to do it. Yeah.

557
00:39:52,540 --> 00:39:56,360
Danny:
I feel I think I'd be a bit similar. Like I say, we moved from a big city to

558
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,060
Danny:
a really small village and we're about a 15 minute walk from like a big lake.

559
00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:04,340
Danny:
So you can go there and you can kayak and canoe, just swim, do whatever you want, basically.

560
00:40:04,340 --> 00:40:07,080
Danny:
And I tend to find it in the summer especially not so

561
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,040
Danny:
much in the winter they're a lot harder to do but in the summer it's

562
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,440
Danny:
just nice if I've had like a really stressful day at work or whatever just

563
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,260
Danny:
get out on the lake for an hour and it just brings me right back down again

564
00:40:17,260 --> 00:40:23,060
Danny:
so nice so I'm with you 100% on that with the water side things yeah yeah good

565
00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:28,300
Danny:
well hopefully you'll get off to that that very soon and let me know how it

566
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:30,880
Danny:
went and where you went and what you got up to that'd be awesome I

567
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,260
Emily:
Will I will.

568
00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:36,660
Danny:
So we're almost at the end, Emily. We've done well so far.

569
00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:42,700
Danny:
Let's have a look then to see what question number five brings up.

570
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,620
Emily:
Okay, what is that?

571
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,000
Danny:
Question number five. And this could go either way because obviously because

572
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,680
Danny:
of your work, there may be photos that you take for work.

573
00:40:52,820 --> 00:40:56,080
Danny:
It may be nice and relaxing with your dog and Christmas, etc.

574
00:40:56,460 --> 00:41:01,940
Danny:
But question number five, Emily. What was the last picture you took on your phone?

575
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,280
Emily:
Oh, that's interesting. Can I look?

576
00:41:04,820 --> 00:41:05,320
Danny:
Yeah, yeah.

577
00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:06,720
Emily:
Let me look.

578
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,800
Danny:
I would never know what it was. I'd have to check anyway.

579
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:15,870
Emily:
Uh, let me see here. That's the last picture I took on my phone.

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00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:22,210
Emily:
Oh, okay. It was, um, I have a dog and I have a cat.

581
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:27,890
Emily:
My cat is, uh, she just turned 17 in human years in November.

582
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:36,750
Emily:
Um, and my dog is four. And so it's been, um, they weren't automatically friends.

583
00:41:36,830 --> 00:41:43,870
Emily:
Um, But just recently, they have been coming in closer proximity with one another.

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Emily:
And so the last, the most recent picture that I took is a picture of the three

585
00:41:48,970 --> 00:41:51,910
Emily:
of us on just relaxing on the couch.

586
00:41:51,910 --> 00:42:00,070
Emily:
My cat's on my lap and then my dog is right next to me with his head very close to the cat.

587
00:42:01,490 --> 00:42:06,450
Emily:
And so it's a sweet moment because when I got the dog, you know,

588
00:42:06,610 --> 00:42:09,230
Emily:
everyone was like, oh, the dog and the cat aren't going to get along,

589
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:10,550
Emily:
you know, whatever, whatever.

590
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:14,550
Emily:
And I was just holding out. I was like, I'm just holding out for that day when

591
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:16,350
Emily:
I come home and they're actually cuddling.

592
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:20,810
Emily:
And so I think we're getting closer and closer to that moment.

593
00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:27,270
Emily:
So I took a picture and that was like really good for them to be so close.

594
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:28,950
Emily:
It was also just sweet, you know.

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Danny:
Well, that's it because, I mean, obviously you've got the stereotypical dogs

596
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Danny:
versus cats and they're not compatible.

597
00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:38,410
Danny:
And you've had the cat longer, I guess.

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Emily:
Yeah, yeah. I've had her for 16 years and she's 17.

599
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:45,670
Danny:
17, yeah. So I guess, I mean, I can understand. How long have you had your dog?

600
00:42:45,810 --> 00:42:47,830
Danny:
You mentioned you've got a good sized dog, right?

601
00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:52,270
Emily:
Yeah, he's a big guy. Four? Yeah, he's four. And so I've had it for like three and a half years.

602
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:55,990
Danny:
Right. Yeah. So I could imagine that'd be a big, if the cat,

603
00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:58,990
Danny:
was the cat always just the on the pet in the house? Yeah.

604
00:42:59,650 --> 00:43:03,290
Danny:
Yeah. Yeah. That's, I can get the cat's point of view here because I'm very,

605
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:05,370
Danny:
I'm a grumpy Scotsman Gen Xer.

606
00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:07,730
Danny:
So I can get the cat's point of view. It's like, this is my zone.

607
00:43:07,850 --> 00:43:09,470
Danny:
This is my time with Emily. Who are you?

608
00:43:09,790 --> 00:43:11,410
Emily:
Right, right, right. Like you're still here.

609
00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:15,490
Danny:
Yeah, exactly. I know we've got three little dogs.

610
00:43:15,610 --> 00:43:19,350
Danny:
They're all the same breed. and we had one, we had three dogs prior and our

611
00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:22,490
Danny:
two boy dogs passed. They got old and passed.

612
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:27,730
Danny:
So we waited a while, then we got two other dogs and there's mother and son, which is awesome.

613
00:43:28,570 --> 00:43:33,450
Danny:
But the dog we had in the house with the two previous boy dogs took a while to adapt.

614
00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:38,610
Danny:
You know, like her domain, she was used to two older boys and now you've got

615
00:43:38,610 --> 00:43:43,310
Danny:
like a lady dog that's younger than her, but it's a mum and the puppy's like

616
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:46,510
Danny:
really rambunctious. so it was a big change you know for her

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Emily:
And i think too like for dogs especially like you know they have little emotions

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Emily:
and so like i think they also get a little jealous like at least i know my dog

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Emily:
does i mean that's part of the reason why he came on the couch is because my cat came on,

620
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Emily:
sat in my lap first the next thing you know here he is giving me those puppy

621
00:44:04,590 --> 00:44:09,210
Emily:
dog eyes asking to come up on the couch because he sees that the cat's getting attention,

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00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:13,710
Emily:
So I think for dogs, too, it's like, you know, they're sensitive to that.

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Danny:
No, no. I know the girl dog that I mentioned, she growls if I'm petting.

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Danny:
No, no, that doesn't seem like a nasty way. But it's like that jealousy that

625
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:24,250
Danny:
you mentioned, like the jealousy.

626
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:26,710
Danny:
It's like you're talking to someone, you're petting someone else.

627
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:28,390
Danny:
I'm your dog. You know, pet me, pet me.

628
00:44:28,830 --> 00:44:33,750
Danny:
So cats are special. Cats are so independent. Like, you know, don't mess with cats.

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Emily:
Right, right. Don't mess with cats. And I feel like she, my cat really helped

630
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Emily:
me train the dog because, um, you know, the dog, you know, sometimes it may

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Emily:
be like really rambunctious running through the house, chasing a tennis ball. Um,

632
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,140
Emily:
Next thing you know, here she comes around the corner with a paw,

633
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Emily:
like just waiting for him, you know.

634
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Emily:
And so he learned, you know, you don't just tear through the place.

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Emily:
You've got to slow down and then check the corners, you know.

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Danny:
Yeah, exactly. I've watched, one of my vices, if you like, is just like scrolling

637
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Danny:
through a bunch of reels.

638
00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:10,140
Danny:
I get sucked into like that vortex where you just go through reel after reel or short after short.

639
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,960
Danny:
And I always get stuck on the videos where you've got cats that are taking revenge on dogs.

640
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:19,540
Danny:
Where dogs are playing they're getting a bit close whatever and it's just like

641
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:24,740
Danny:
the super fast 10 swings of the arm really quickly and like even big dobermans

642
00:45:24,740 --> 00:45:29,600
Danny:
and alsatian stuff are just off you know this little cat has scared them away yeah

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Emily:
I know right exactly because i you know my dog is a he's an 80 pound german

644
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:39,860
Emily:
shepherd mix and my cat i mean she's actually pretty little you know she's you

645
00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:44,100
Emily:
know on a good day she's nine pounds um but she's not scared of that guy i'll

646
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,980
Emily:
tell you that but the other way around yes.

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Danny:
You should get like a little camera installed like one of these indoor security

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Danny:
cameras and just see what they get up to they're probably just having the best

649
00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:56,960
Danny:
day of their life while you're at work or out you know and then it's only when

650
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,520
Danny:
you come up the driveway and up there the pathway etc though they'll get back

651
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,480
Danny:
to you know just get back to who we are right

652
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,320
Emily:
Right right right yeah she's here.

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00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,180
Danny:
Exactly well that is awesome and i I think it's a nice way to finish off your

654
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:14,960
Danny:
time in the random question hot seat, Alice. I do appreciate that.

655
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,740
Danny:
As is only fair, because I've had you, you know, on the pressure point,

656
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:19,580
Danny:
if you like, of the hot seat.

657
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,620
Danny:
As is only fair, it's now time to hand over the question, Master, but on to yourself.

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00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,280
Emily:
Okay. All right, Danny. Okay, so my question for you is...

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Emily:
As a result of doing all of these interviews with people, have you noticed that

660
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:36,430
Emily:
there's something that everyone has in common,

661
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:42,450
Emily:
like similarities or like what have you noticed about like people in this kind

662
00:46:42,450 --> 00:46:46,510
Emily:
of experience with these random questions with an interviewer, you know?

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00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:54,170
Danny:
That's a really good question. I think one of the common threads is you're all

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00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:56,930
Danny:
silly enough to come on the show and put yourself in the horsey.

665
00:46:57,530 --> 00:47:02,770
Danny:
I'm joking. that no one of the i think it's been really refreshing to see how

666
00:47:02,770 --> 00:47:07,290
Danny:
open people are um because generally and you've got your own podcast emily and

667
00:47:07,290 --> 00:47:08,710
Danny:
you've been on you know countless interviews

668
00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:13,210
Danny:
Um you know yourself sometimes as much as we don't want to we try to present

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00:47:13,210 --> 00:47:16,690
Danny:
the best version of ourselves whether that's on social speaking to each other

670
00:47:16,690 --> 00:47:18,130
Danny:
on a podcast whatever that looks like

671
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:21,410
Danny:
and you may come in with you know i've done it myself i've been guilty of

672
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:24,310
Danny:
myself coming in with prepared sort of if i

673
00:47:24,310 --> 00:47:27,130
Danny:
get asked this this is going to be my soundbite moment where i can say

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00:47:27,130 --> 00:47:29,810
Danny:
this for example and i feel because of the

675
00:47:29,810 --> 00:47:32,450
Danny:
form of the show um guests come in

676
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:35,350
Danny:
to know that a i'm i'm not trying to have a

677
00:47:35,350 --> 00:47:38,490
Danny:
gotcha moment with you so you know i want to make sure

678
00:47:38,490 --> 00:47:41,410
Danny:
we were talking earlier about you know comforts and comfort zones

679
00:47:41,410 --> 00:47:44,450
Danny:
etc i want to show you're comfortable and i think that's um

680
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:47,450
Danny:
the guests that come on because they know the format and they

681
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:50,550
Danny:
know that it's going to be completely random i think every

682
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:54,010
Danny:
guest i feel is probably a good open-minded

683
00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:57,050
Danny:
person it doesn't mind being vulnerable we

684
00:47:57,050 --> 00:48:01,870
Danny:
shared a vulnerable moment of your own earlier so it's it's it's been nice to

685
00:48:01,870 --> 00:48:06,770
Danny:
to just speak to people and have a conversation that hopefully if we were to

686
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:11,310
Danny:
bump at each other on vacation for example you know stuff like this would happen

687
00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:15,290
Danny:
so yeah i feel that the most common thread is an openness to

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00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:21,830
Danny:
See where a conversation goes and go with that flow as opposed to trying to

689
00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:24,810
Danny:
make it structured and X, Y, Z.

690
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:28,710
Danny:
And so far, everybody's been super nice and super, you know,

691
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:33,650
Danny:
super easy to chat with, like your good self, which helps me and makes my job a lot easier.

692
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:37,970
Danny:
So thank you for that. And I feel that. Does that answer? Does that make sense?

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00:48:38,190 --> 00:48:42,110
Emily:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's good. That's great. Thank you. Seems like a fun,

694
00:48:42,110 --> 00:48:45,790
Emily:
like, role that you have, you know, like, okay, a random question.

695
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:50,070
Emily:
You know random answers like what are people going to say you know.

696
00:48:50,070 --> 00:48:53,910
Danny:
Well and that's it it can be a little bit tough at times because if the answer

697
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:57,670
Danny:
if the question sorry not the answer if the question doesn't

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00:48:58,260 --> 00:49:01,160
Danny:
equate to like a an answer that's

699
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,100
Danny:
maybe one minute long i think well do i follow up and go

700
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:06,740
Danny:
another direction with that question or do i i just say you know

701
00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:09,880
Danny:
what let's call it a day on that question let's go next one so it can be fun

702
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,480
Danny:
trying to you know keep the conversation going but you know for the most part

703
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,000
Danny:
it's it's really really super enjoyable when i get to meet us and folks like

704
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,340
Danny:
yourself and and just basically i have you know a conversation about five real

705
00:49:21,340 --> 00:49:25,440
Danny:
or six I guess really cool random things so yeah

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00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:31,140
Emily:
Yeah okay exciting well I'm excited for you to keep this work up and thank you

707
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:36,000
Emily:
thank you yeah yeah and I'll say for me too it's it's nice to be out of kind

708
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,720
Emily:
of like the structured environment you know of like what am I talking points

709
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:43,820
Emily:
you know like what do we got to say now you know so.

710
00:49:43,820 --> 00:49:46,740
Danny:
No I can imagine and especially for the work you do Emily I

711
00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:51,900
Danny:
can imagine sometimes I mean I'm not sure but maybe sometimes you know depending

712
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:56,180
Danny:
on political bias slants etc some interviewers may be trying to put you down

713
00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:59,340
Danny:
a rabbit hole that you don't necessarily want to be going but their question

714
00:49:59,340 --> 00:50:03,200
Danny:
in line might try place you there so yeah that's one of the reasons I try to

715
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,920
Danny:
keep you know political bias out of the show completely

716
00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:10,260
Danny:
and just have a nice conversation obviously it's important to speak about policies

717
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:16,020
Danny:
and you know and stuff like that for sure right uh but yeah well i would love

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00:50:16,020 --> 00:50:19,280
Danny:
to do a like a live show sometime just get the audience to actually ask the

719
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,420
Danny:
questions because then it's really random

720
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:24,020
Danny:
it'd be cool yeah

721
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:27,860
Emily:
So we'll see yeah that would be awesome yeah like a live recording and you know

722
00:50:27,860 --> 00:50:31,860
Emily:
funnily enough like i actually really enjoy asking kind of like random questions

723
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:37,960
Emily:
and i grew up playing 20 questions with my mom you know and so it just it's

724
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,860
Emily:
like a fun it's a fun thing to do And I think-

725
00:50:41,610 --> 00:50:46,850
Emily:
We need things that are just purely entertainment and lighthearted and fun,

726
00:50:46,850 --> 00:50:50,710
Emily:
but it also actually really does help with critical thinking skills, you know?

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00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:56,070
Danny:
Yep. Oh yeah, I can 100% agree on that for sure.

728
00:50:56,370 --> 00:50:59,050
Danny:
So Emily, as I mentioned, and thank you again for that question.

729
00:50:59,290 --> 00:51:01,450
Danny:
I have really enjoyed chatting with you today.

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00:51:01,790 --> 00:51:05,330
Danny:
For people that want to A, listen to your award-winning podcast,

731
00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:10,410
Danny:
B, find out more about the work that you do and see, even talk to you about,

732
00:51:10,450 --> 00:51:14,270
Danny:
you know, working with you, where's the best place to check all that stuff out,

733
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:15,350
Danny:
connect with you, et cetera?

734
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:21,030
Emily:
Yeah. Well, to connect with me directly, people should go to LinkedIn and search

735
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:23,490
Emily:
for Emily R. Williams, Chicago.

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00:51:23,970 --> 00:51:31,630
Emily:
I will come up and to listen to the podcast. It is beyond voting everywhere you stream podcasts.

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00:51:32,170 --> 00:51:35,750
Danny:
That is awesome. As always, I will leave the links to that in the show notes.

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00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:38,950
Danny:
So whatever app you're listening on or if you're listening to this on the website

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00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:41,870
Danny:
just check out the episode show notes and that will link through to emily's

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00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:45,450
Danny:
linkedin as well as a podcasting website so all the stuff will be in there in

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00:51:45,450 --> 00:51:49,230
Danny:
the show notes so make sure you check them out so again emily thanks for appearing

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00:51:49,230 --> 00:51:52,010
Danny:
on today's 5 Random Questions yes

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00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:53,410
Emily:
Thank you so much danny.

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00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:58,250
Danny:
Thanks for listening to 5 Random Questions and if this was your first time

745
00:51:58,250 --> 00:52:02,050
Danny:
here feel free to hit follow and check out past episodes if you enjoyed this

746
00:52:02,050 --> 00:52:04,630
Danny:
week's episode i'd love for you to leave a review on the app you're currently

747
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:07,950
Danny:
listening on or if you know someone else that would enjoy the show be sure to

748
00:52:07,950 --> 00:52:12,410
Danny:
send us away it's very much appreciated until the next time keep asking those questions