hey, and welcome back to another edition of the Daily Bible Podcast. It's Wednesday. Wednesday. Yeah. Nope. Yeah. It is Wednesday. Normally I say that you say something like hey. And then I say what day it is. Sorry to break rank different. Just cut my legs out for thought. D don't different even know what I'm gonna say anymore. Alright, I'll take over from here. Okay, great. Go for it. Welcome back to another edition of the Daily Bible Podcast. I'm Pastor PJ and I'm your captain for this episode. I have abandoned the faith. I'm now driving a Subaru. And I voted for Hillary there. What are you gonna do about that? It does sound like me. That does sound like something I would say up until the point where you started talking about I've abandoned the faith and I drive a Subaru and I voted for Hillary. I would never, besides that, I would never drive a Subaru. Why not? What do you have against Subarus? No, that I was going for I would never do any of those three things. Yeah. That's make, okay, I gotcha. Yeah, just making a joke of it, emphasis on the part of the joke in my mind. Got it. Yep. Okay. Nope, that's all right. That's all right. Hey, there's a new show out there called David, or Life of David, or Life of David's Pie or something. House of that House of David. That's what I think. That's is. Let me just double check while you're. Talking about it, butchering it and not clearly I'm betraying the fact that I haven't seen it. It is House of David. Okay. It's House of David and it's available online. People can stream it. And it's Amazon Prime. Okay. You've seen an episode of it? I have seen an episode, that's correct. And I from, and which there are six, from what I gather, this is meant to tell the story of King David. Yes. Yeah. That's what it is. Okay. Somebody wrote in and they've watched, I think more than either of us have watched, which you've watched more than I've watched 'cause you've watched one. And they just made the comment, Hey, they seem to enjoy the show for what it is. And then they stumbled across somebody else who is a well-known Christian thinker and radio guy, podcaster radio guy out there who really blew it up and blew it up hard and said this is wrong and decided a bunch of different reasons why it's wrong. Some of the ideas of putting unauthorized words in God's mouth. Introducing fiction into a factual Bible misrepresenting historical figures and failing to point to Jesus. And that's where, let's just start with that last point. Failing to point to Jesus. We have to get back to, okay, what were the, what's the creator's intent here is the creator's intent to show how David sets up Jesus. Maybe, but maybe also, maybe it, it wasn't, maybe it was simply to tell the story of King David, but when you go through some of the, those other ones yeah I do think there's room for artistic liberty. Now y'all have heard me talk about the chosen. I don't like the chosen because the guy behind it Dallas is it Who? Willard? No, Dallas, Texas. Dallas Jenkins Close. Dallas Jenkins is the guy's name. Yeah. I don't. He plays fast and loose with doctrine and Christianity and blurs the lines at best if we're gonna be charitable, he blurs the lines between Christianity and Mormonism. If he doesn't full blown, embrace Mormons as brothers and sisters in Christ. Which, that's why I look at something like the chosen, I'm like, no I don't wanna touch it with a 10 foot pole. 'cause I can't trust his artistic license that he's gonna bring to the show. And so I, I don't need it. I'm not gonna watch it. That's where I'm at with that, with this it never really crossed my mind as something that I was like, Hey, let me turn that on and watch it. But we have artistic license all over the place. There, there are commentaries that sometimes will employ artistic license to help us understand what's going on in a scene in scripture or if you ever. Put on the show Veggie Tales for your Kids and let them watch Veggie Tale y You are seeing artistic license interpretation that is being depicted with these cartoon vegetables marching around and bowing down to a big chocolate bunny and things like that. Like artistic license does not equal damnable heresy, in other words, is what I'm saying. We have to be very careful with it. And I think that's why, I don't know. I haven't seen the show. You've seen an episode. What was your take walking away from watching an episode of the show? Of course I've got my bible radar on, so I'm trying to see how closely they're trying to stick to the actual text. And of course they depart pretty quickly at the very beginning, and that's what causes people to say this is clearly not a show that Christian should watch. For those reasons and more, it's a distortion of the text. I do think what you're saying is probably what they would say. It's creative license and then they offer a disclaimer at the beginning or the end of the show. I can't remember which side of it, but they're trying to say, look, we're not taking this as a word for word copy and paste into our script. They're taking creative license to. Embellish it to make it come alive, not to detract it to, to detract from it, not to deny the sufficiency of scripture, things like that. I guess the question that probably most people have is there anything inherently wrong with taking a chapter of the Bible and trying to add color to it in the mind's eye, and maybe it is giving a character to. To the person of Moses or even imagining what David might have looked like and his relationship to his brothers, and why was he out in the field when his brothers were in the house and he's the one tending the sheep. And of course on, on the totem pole, that's pretty, pretty low ranking position to have. So is there anything wrong that you would say based on your understanding of scripture, to have creative license with understanding these people, these names, these places and these spaces? A again I think there's. There's degrees of that. We can go too far, we can assume too much. And we need to be careful and be humble about our approach to artistic license. Yeah we, I, we do that in the pulpit. We'll talk about, we'll tell stories in the pulpit and fill in some, gray areas in the pulpit, or not gray areas but white space in the pulpit saying, this is, David's left back probably because of this. And we can infer that because when Jesse calls his sons to be. One of them to be anointed king. David's left out like Jesse's not even thinking about him. So yeah, David's lowest on the totem pole. It's probably why he was in his ranking. You can use other parts of scripture to help inform things, even though it doesn't explicitly make the connection from one position to the other. So there's room for it. We just have to be careful that it doesn't ever degrade God or blaspheme God, which again to blaspheme is to take that which is high and exalted and bring it down low and treat it as common. So I think we need to just be sure that we're not. Venturing into that realm when it comes to how we're employing artistic liberty and creative license. It sounds like you're suggesting then that creativity, artistic license is probably a moving target for people. Yes. And so while one Christian might be able to watch House of David without any tinge of conscience, another Christian would say, no way. Jose can't even entertain the idea because it does the very thing that you're saying it should not do. In their minds, it does lower God, it does. Cause other Christians to be misunder misinformed and misunderstand the text. And for all those reasons, I cannot partake of that TV show. Is this one of those areas of Christian liberty where one Christian can say, you're clearly mistaking the forest of the trees. This is wrong. Should never touch this. And another Christian says, brother, I can enjoy this to the glory of God. This is fine. I don't think they're doing anything nefarious or evil. I can enjoy this to the glory of God. Is that a fair thing to put this show into? Yeah, I think so. As long as we're willing to listen to one another in that context, as long as we're willing to listen to the person that disagrees with us and listen to their arguments and examine our heart to say, okay, do I need to shift my perspective on this? So that both ways. Both ways. Exactly. Yeah. So I would just say one more caveat and it's, if I can compare it. You guys didn't think you were gonna hear me talk about Harry Potter when you flipped on the the podcast this morning? Heritage. Actually, you know what, I'll talk about something more. Godly Lord of the Rings. Okay. It's redeemed in some ways. It can be like watching the movies before you read the book. If you have watched the Lord of the Ring's trilogy before you go and read the books, then you're watch, you're reading the character that Tolkien wrote as Frodo. You're reading Elijah Wood Yeah. As that character. That's right. And that's what's in your mind. And you can't shake that because you watch the movie and the movie forms your understanding of the book. And we need to be careful as Christians not to allow that same thing to happen with things like this or things like the chosen or anything else. When you're reading the gospels, if you're seeing the guy from the chosen that plays Jesus as Jesus, then I, I. I would say, that's, I'd be uncomfortable with that. I don't love that idea. And so I think we gotta be careful not to watch the movie, so to speak, before we read the book, when it comes to things like the David series or the chosen series, because these are human interpretations and these are not infallible, and this is not an a, a. Full-blown representation of what it was like. And granted, they admit that up front and they're saying that's not what our goal is. But we need to be careful that this does not degrade the quality of our interaction with God's word, because it puts certain images, faces, interactions, voices, things like that in our minds as we're now seeing Jesus as this human being that's really an actor. So it's the interpretation of the person. Of the text, which will influence the way that someone sees the actual text that would concern you. So it's going through the human person and saying, oh, I think Jesus would act like this, or, I think Peter would act like this, or, I think David would act like this. And that's what you would call problematic. It's not the medium in and of itself, but there. Is a danger that you might start looking at scripture through the lens of these actors versus looking at scripture to the lens of scripture which is always the goal. We wanna read the Bible for what it says, and this is why a lot of people even lay Christians will say, I wanna learn the Greek and the Hebrew because I wanna get as close to the transmitted medium as possible, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that. English translations are generally really good, but even those. Have interpretations, many of them interpretations of what's being said and what's conveyed. We're trying to elucidate some of those by telling you here's what the word is and here's how it can be translated. But that's a well taken point and a good one to understand. Yeah. 'cause Jonathan Rumi is a, is just a guy. And if now every time you read Jesus preaching, you're hearing Jonathan Rumi's voice as Jesus preaching. Yeah. I'm, I mean it, as good as it can be. Yeah. As, and let's just say he's the best Jesus to ever walk this planet, right? But Jim Kiesel might like a word with him, which who knows? Depends. It just, to me, that degrades something rather than the mystery of going, I don't have a voice in my head when I read the scripture of Jesus words right now. And I'm not gonna approximate it as a fallen human being, because what happens when, and I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but what ha, what happens if Jonathan Rumi goes off the deep end? What happens if he comes out as an apostate and so forth and so on. Now, you've still got Jonathan Ru. Me's voice as Jesus every time you go and read the Bible. I it's a it may not, it may never happen. Lord willing, it doesn't happen. I just, I'd rather say I, I'm not even gonna venture into that territory. David. Yeah, maybe that's a different story. I don't know that I would be as bothered with a different voice in my mind for David. But when it comes to the son of God, and let's leave that one to be discovered when we get face to face with him in eternity. Sice to say this is a tricky area that requires great discernment and your discernment will be much improved if you are a student of the word. Yep. Which is why we do this podcast so that you don't watch. No, I'm just kidding. If you're gonna spend 20 minutes somewhere, we'd like you to spend it here. Which by the way one show that recently came on the radar. Yeah. Another bible show. It's called the Promised Land. Okay. It's meant to be, what would you call those? It's like a reality TV show that's scripted. What's that called? A mock mockumentary. Okay. Mockumentary. Okay. It actually is quite funny. Okay. I watched it. I think the first episode is on YouTube. I saw it. I don't know. YouTube recommended it to me. Yeah, it was. It was actually really funny. Okay. I enjoyed it. The Promised Land. Okay. Fair enough. Hey, let's jump into speaking of the promised Land. This is a great transition. Let's jump into, I've been trying to throw you feeding lines to get you to the text, Joshua. 12 through 15, giving him 15. Alright, here we go. I grabbed it. You're okay. Anyways. Alright. Joshua 12. Joshua 12. This is a list of the kings defeated by the Israelites, two by Moses on the east side of the Jordan. Remember that's Sahan and og. And then 31 by Joshua on the west side of the Jordan. So this is just a going through the laundry list of all the nations that were defeated. And remember again, this was a historical book. We're now. In the history of Israel we're no, no longer in the law. So this is the dual purpose of being something that is inspired. It is for our instruction but it is also the historical records for the people of Israel to know this is what it was. And this would've been immensely encouraging for future generations to look back on this and say, okay, this is all that God has done. This is the literary version of the 12 Stones. That are set up. Once they come through the Jordan River writing down these names of all of the nations, all of the kings that God defeated would've been the same thing as the future generations are reading, going, what are all these names about? Then the Israelite grandpas and dads and moms and grandmas could say, these are all the kings that God defeated for us when we came in and took the Promised land. Again, we've talked about this a couple times, but note in Joshua 1210, the king of Jerusalem is listed as one who is defeated but not Jerusalem itself. This is the king. He was one of the five that went out to, to make war on Gideon, and he was defeated in that context, but not Jerusalem itself. Jerusalem won't be taken until much later, but Joshua chapter 12. Here's the kings. Joshua Chapter 13. Then as Joshua is nearing the end of his life, the Lord told him of the land that still needed to be conquered, and he instructed him to divide the land that was already possessed into tribal portions. So the rest of Chapter 13 contains the record of dividing that land east of the Jordan to Ruben Gad and the Half Tribe of Manassas. So this is the first of the divisions, and this is, I don't know, pastor Rod, you and I were making a comment before we even started. This is some. Some slower territory for us to work through here. This is not the high ground of the book of Proverbs where you're like, oh man, I'm grabbing so many nuggets everywhere I look. It's so good. You've got this proverb, that proverb just prepare for that. Still read carefully, read thoroughly, read through it all. But just know we're getting into some of the geographical outlay of what was gonna be each tribe's possession. And it starts here in chapter 13 with the two and a half tribes on the east side of the Jordan River. Yeah, and this will come back into play a little bit later as we think about what God gave them and what was promised and whether or not God actually fulfilled this promise to the degree that he had promised them, or if there's still land to be acquired and therefore. That this promise for land has not yet been fulfilled to the degree in which God said. So here we're gonna be looking at these territories and asking ourselves a question. Even as we read. You may not be asking this question, but you should be asking does this fulfill all that God promised? And part of Joshua is gonna say Yes, and we'll look at that when we get there. But as good Bible students, we're gonna have to ask, okay, is does this intend to communicate to us that this promise is fulfilled? Period and not another yet to be fulfilled. Promise. That still has present tense reverberations. We'll see that when we get closer to it. But just, this is important. This is important for Israel, this is important for our eschatology. I'd pay attention to it. Important for dispensationalism, right? Yeah, totally. Yeah. Joshua 14. Then before getting into the land for the west side of the Jordan, Joshua fulfills a, a. Promise here, given by Moses to Caleb. So you remember Caleb was one of the spies along with Joshua. They're the only two that are, they're in the promised land from that first generation. And so the Lord had promised through Moses to Caleb that he could have a portion of the land that he requested, whatever land that he wanted there, and Caleb chooses a portion there in he. And this account continues actually down in, in Joshua chapter 15 verses 13 through 19, where Caleb gives Othniel his daughter as a wife after he helps him drive out some of the inhabitants of the land there in he chapter 14, Caleb is gonna be given his portion and we pick up part of the story in chapter 15. 'cause to get that portion, they needed to drive out some of the. The Canaanites in the land. And Caleb offers his daughter an oth Neil, who will show back up in the book of judges oth Neil comes and says, I can do it. And he goes to battle on behalf of Caleb, and he gets Caleb's daughter as a wife. So Joshua 14 slash part of 15 is this story of Caleb taking his possession there. Caleb's a boss two times. It says here in his little section, because you have holy followed the Lord. My God says that here in verse nine. In verse 14, therefore, he run, became the inheritance of Caleb, the son of Jah. The Kenza, to this day, because he wholly followed the Lord, the God of Israel. And so I love this description about somebody. It may be said about all of us that our lives are a testimony that we are wholly following the Lord our God, which suggests that there's a way to follow God that is partial. It's there, there's something, but there is a. Half-hearted kind of commitment to God that I guess, is tepid and maybe is even acceptable in our current context, in our current culture. But there is a kind of commitment to the Lord that is wholehearted full-throated endorsements, whole life committed. That's the kind of life that we ought to live, and this is the life that Paul commences. He says that your whole life is a living sacrifice and therefore it ought to be evident in the way that you live. And I think Caleb, man, he is my man whole life committed to the Lord. Evident in his faith, evident in his life, the blessings that God gave him were contingent and correspondent to the blessing or to the lemme try this again. His blessings were from the fact that his whole life was committed to the Lord. Do you think that the other form of following the Lord the less than wholehearted, partial, right, half-hearted, maybe that's what Paul's referencing when he says, some will be saved, but only as through fire. Yeah, that's an interesting thought. I've never put those two thoughts together, but I don't see why it couldn't be something related to that. Say more about that, just in the idea that, so in that context, again, we're a beam, a seed of Christ, and so we're dealing with believers. But there are believers that are going to find that the majority of what is tested by fire is going to be burned up. The opposite of that is those that will have heavenly rewards for themselves. They will have the gems, they will have the precious stones and metals and the crowns and things that will pass through the fire. Things that were done for the Lord and for his glory. Good things that the spirit rot. In their lives. But it implies, at least when Paul talks about this, that there will be some that suffer more loss than they gain reward. And they're still gonna be saved, but they're only gonna be saved as through fire. That there's something right on the precipice of eternity. That there's a moment of final regret, final pain, final loss that they experience. And that is looking back at a life. L devoid of a wholehearted devotion to the Lord like we see here from Caleb. So just to catch you guys up who are hearing us talk about this without the context, let's give you one Corinthians three. This is starting at verse 10, and we're gonna read through verse 15 just to get catch you up here. According to the grace of God given to me like a skilled master builder, I laid a foundation in someone else's building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now, if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one's work will become manifest for the day. We'll disclose it and that day is capitalized. So it's referring to the great day. Because it will be revealed by fire and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is built, burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. Okay. Now that we've read that any fur further reflections or thoughts about that? No. Yeah I see. I could see that. It could be part of that. It seems like there, there's a lot here. I'm gonna say that's maybe a part of the idea, but I think that there's. More stuff happening here, so maybe it's at least that, but perhaps more than that. More than that. Being more than the half heartedness. Sure. I think there's a lot more than the half heartedness being communicated here. Totally. And it's probably connected. Yeah, I would agree with you. I think there's more than the halfheartedness for there for sure. Just wondering if. That could be part of it. Joshua 15. Then outside of the situation with Caleb and Othniel the majority of this chapter marks out the boundaries for Judah and lists the cities that Judah was to inhabit. The one notable exception coming at the very end, that is that they were unable to drive out the Jbb sites from Jerusalem. So that will happen, but it's not gonna come for quite a while under the reign of King David. Speaking of David, which we opened the episode with. Bookend it with David again. He's the one that's gonna take care of Jerusalem. Eventually. I wanna shout out my man, Caleb once more. Joshua 15, 14. Caleb drove out from there, the three sons of och. She shy. And Ahhe. And Alai, the descendants of och. So these are probably the, at least what we think, were a giant people. They were large people and this dude is just outta here buddy. My place now he's a rock star. I love Caleb. Yeah. Caleb's good and young are great dudes. But yeah, I, we've already seen hints of the fact that Israel is struggling to take out people that should not be there. They, it's not that God isn't saying you have the ability by my grace to do this. It's that they're choosing not to. And those little cracks are alluding to what we're going to soon see flourish in the book of judges. So pay close attention to those hints. Yep. Hey, let's let's pray and then we'll be done with this episode. God, we are thankful for your word that we get to spend time in and it's sometimes harder for us to wrap our minds around understand than other times. But I just pray that by your spirit, you would help us to pull some nuggets out of this that we could take and apply just like we have been highlighting Caleb, that we would be a church that are marked by more Caleb's than not, that we would be a church that is wholly devoted to you, that's following you with. Everything that we are. And we need your spirit to be able to do that and work that in us, and so we pray that you would in Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Keep in your Bibles tuning again tomorrow for another edition of the Daily Bible Podcast. See you. Bye.

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