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In this clip, Luke Jensen tells the 1993 French Open story.

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So tell us one thing always curious.

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Obviously, number one is a junior.

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The grand slam, we always hear the players say they want to be peaking by the finals.

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Let's go back, 93, that French Open experience.

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How does it start?

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How do you maintain the intensity?

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Now we're getting close.

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We might actually pull this off to keep it all level, to actually pull it off.

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Yeah, my answers get long.

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Just cut me off because I can get going.

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The reality was is that I'm two and a half years older than Murphy.

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I turned pro in '87 after two years at Southern Cal.

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Then Murphy joined the team in '88, '89, and then transferred to Georgia in '90.

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That's when the whole Jensen clan moved to Atlanta when Murphy transferred to Georgia.

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Atlanta is obviously the number one tennis city in the world.

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It has at every level, every facility.

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You can just stay here and just become a grand slam champion.

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Just by training out of the facilities here, the knowledge, the coaching out of here.

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So I turned pro in '87.

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So I had a couple of year head start working through the minor leagues of the game.

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And I teamed up with a guy from Australia, Laurie Warder, in '91 and '92.

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And we jumped in the top 10, two years straight.

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And my dream and Murphy's dream, we were always kind of,

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we always wanted to play doubles together at the pro level,

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since we were kids that we were going to be a doubles team.

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And then he turned pro after is in '90, after is junior year at Georgia.

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So he turned pro and started working his way up.

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And I would bounce down from time to time and play those smaller tournaments with him.

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But then go back up with the money was and play in '91, '92.

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With Laurie Warder, we made the World Championships a couple of years.

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And then it was Murphy got into the top 100.

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And I was top 10.

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And it's like, his ranking was high enough where we could slide into these Australian open, Sydney, San Jose.

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I mean, yeah, San Jose, all these tour level events.

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So Laurie went to play with another guy.

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They ended up winning the Australian.

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And Murphy and I kind of did well.

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We got to the, I think the semis are finals of Sydney.

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And then we had some first round losses, but we have semis of San Francisco and then a couple of early losses.

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And then the tournaments Murphy couldn't get in like Indian Wells.

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I'd final with an old college teammate, Scott Melville, or like Madrid.

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We got to the finals there.

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So it was just kind of fine where Murphy and I could get in the tournaments.

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But there was a point in the after Miami Miami open.

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We got into like a losing streak, Murphy and I.

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And it was eight weeks in a row, first round.

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And it was, it was one of those gut check things because I'd reached the quarters the year before

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in the French, John Welling, third round of Wimbledon.

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So I had a lot of points coming up.

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I think finals of Rome, the Italian open,

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want a smaller lead up event to the French. So I was top 10, but the gold standard as a pro is not

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the cash. That's a byproduct of your winning and hard work.

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It's the point you get to get you into the bigger tournaments, the point you win,

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that sustains you out there.

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And it's a 12 month deal.

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I mean, you've got to back that sucker up the next year.

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You're only as good as what you can defend.

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And every player knows what's coming up.

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What points are coming up? They know, especially now you could figure it out in the

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math in the old days because the rankings would come out every Monday, 52 weeks a year.

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Now it's live ranking. I know if I'm going up or going down, what will happen if I do go down.

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So it's a different pressure for the players now.

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But after we lost our eighth tournament in a row, first round.

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And this was that was at the German open in we're in Hamburg.

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Three sets and we lost matches every which way possible.

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Really bad. We had match points.

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Three sets, two sets every which way.

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And Murphy was really feeling it.

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You know, he was like, listen, you got all these points coming off.

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If you, you know, I don't know if this is going to work out, you know, it's like kind of another

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defining moment and a kind of a fork in the road like, what are we going to do?

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And I really had no doubt.

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This is what I wanted to do. It's what I always wanted to do.

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So I has the big brother and, you know, I said, listen, we're going to make it.

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You know, I believe in you and I really do believe he's six foot four left handed serves one

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thirty huge shot maker.

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But this was his, you know, wasn't even his first full year.

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He was like just six months on the real tour.

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That's where the real players are.

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You know, then the people that are playing pro tennis.

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That means people that are playing pro tennis, but they're not making any money.

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You know, professional means you are making money as a mechanic, as a drywaller.

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Like you're making a living.

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Same thing in pro tennis.

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If you're in the top 100 for the most part, you are at least breaking even

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in the higher you rank, you're making some more money.

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And that's a professional tennis player.

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And, um, and Murphy was just six months into that, where everyone's playing for their scratch.

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And they're cash.

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And it's, it's a different type of animal that can really survive that jungle.

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And so I said, you know, I believe in you, I don't care if we dropped to a thousand in the world

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and we're playing in some, you know, future satellite in South America or South Africa.

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We're going to do this.

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We're going to figure this out and we're going to get it.

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And it was like, that was the confidence or that was like the reassurance.

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Maybe he needed because the next week, you know, we got in the dog fight with the team that

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it was the number one seed at the Italian Open, Werenrome, playing at night.

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It's an unbelievable experience playing in Rome at night.

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The fans are whistling and throwing coins at you.

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And it's, it's just a, it's crazy.

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And it was Mark, uh, Mark Rossay and Yacoblastic did one of the French

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the year before they played Davis Cup for Switzerland.

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We'd beaten them the US in the, in the US Davis Cup win in 91.

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Now I was on that team as a practice partner.

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It was Mac and Rose Samperous, Agassi Courier Chang.

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And so I knew them very well.

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Murphy Murphy had never played against them or anything like that.

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We win that in three sets.

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And it got a little chippy, you know, and, you know, we, we always played with a lot of intensity.

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And we tried it all the time like make it a brawl.

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And high fives, chest bumps and things like that.

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And traditional tennis, they didn't like that.

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And so, you know, they'd take a couple of shots and, you know, that's where we wanted.

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We wanted that kind of match.

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So we win that, get to the semis and then get to the next week,

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which is blowing itally, which is a warm-up tournament.

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And we get to the finals.

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So great. We're on kind of a roll and we get to, uh, to Paris on that, uh, Monday.

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And, uh, and Murphy's, I'm sorry, take that back.

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So they always finish the, the week of the Saturday before the major start is when those warm-up tournament

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finishes. So we got like a Sunday practice and, um, back then, the day before was really quiet.

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No one was really there. Players were kind of done.

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We were getting like the last, late afternoon practice.

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And I sat with them and I said, you know, Murphy, we could win this tournament.

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And he's like, what do you, he'd never been to Paris before?

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What, what are you talking about?

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We, uh, no, seriously, like, we could win this tournament.

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And, uh, he just thought we were nuts.

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I said, we just have too many weapons.

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We just go out there in every single match.

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And so it really started.

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We were unseated, unproven.

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There wasn't anything to say that like we, we're really like a proven team at all.

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We had once a match and had a nice little run.

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But I always feel like when you, in this sport,

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specifically, the players, I, I don't think they understand it enough.

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Um, they talk about, I need confidence.

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I need to play with confidence.

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You don't have confidence.

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You can't play in that rare air.

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You're done.

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Like you, you're confident or you're not.

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And you better be confident when you're getting your teeth kicked in,

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you're down to set in a break or you're in the fifth set and you got nothing left in the tank.

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You better have something.

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And that's a choice.

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Confidence is choice.

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And I tell kids that all the time and they have a tough time understanding that.

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Just gives you when a bunch of matches doesn't mean you're confident.

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That means you've got some momentum.

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And that's exactly what we had.

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We had some momentum going into the French open.

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Um, because the last three weeks, uh, I'm sorry, two weeks at the Italian

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and then this warm up tournament in Bologna.

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And then really how it started is that we, we really competed well as a team.

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And we win the first, uh, match 12, 10 and a third.

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We're down match points.

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I hit a return.

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I break a string.

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They go back to me.

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I make a decision.

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Another defining moment.

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Do you love it or do you rip it?

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I rip it.

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We end up winning.

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You know, that ball could have just still been flying today.

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But, you know, the tennis gods blessed us and it went in.

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We win that match.

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Next round, we win 12, 10 and the third.

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Um, the, uh, down match points win that one.

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So now we're in the third round.

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And, um, we're down five, three and the third.

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And Murphy and I are fighting with each other.

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We used to compete really hard against our opponents.

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But we used to compete really hard with each other.

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And throughout the match, we would be going at each other like siblings do.

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And so fortunately, our mom was there who's the boss, the agent and everything.

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And she would just happen to be at the tournament.

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And during this ring, the like, I'm in the players lounge.

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And I'm nowhere close.

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I have no idea where Murphy is.

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I'm honestly on the phone with United Airlines.

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And I'm looking at my watch and I know this rain delay is going to be over in like 40 minutes.

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They have covers on the court.

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They're going to pull the covers back.

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We're going to lose one game and I can be on a 730 flight back to the United States.

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I can be fishing tomorrow for salmon and Lake Michigan.

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And I can, you know, I'll be, you know, getting ready for Wimbledon.

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All of a sudden, there's a pull on my, on the back of my shirt.

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And there's Murphy and it's my mom holding both of us like Mama Bear does.

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And bang in our heads together, you two worked together.

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You know, it was like we're with juniors all over again.

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Bang in our heads together, start working together, start communicating and stop fighting.

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Yes, mom, you know, in front of all the other players.

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Saboteenies there, hot, hot baves on the WCH.

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So it was really embarrassing, but it kind of like woke us up.

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We ended up winning 7-5 in the third.

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It's fantastic.

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Now we're in the second week.

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We're in the fourth round.

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And, which is quarters.

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And we get to play even a civich and LaCont.

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LaCont's big French omen and everything.

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And every time when we warmed up, it was in the old number one court called the Bullring.

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And the fans were right on top of you.

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They've now taken that court away, but it was a special environment,

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especially when you play a Frenchman or a French player.

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And every time in the warm-up, we would hit the ball.

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They would boo us.

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And when they would hit the ball in the warm-up, they would cheer.

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Ah, I got it.

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You know, 5,000, 6,000 people doing this.

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So in the warm-up.

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So it was a unique environment.

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We end up winning.

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And there's another caveat, another area of the story, which is fun, but it's too long.

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So we win that match.

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Get in the semis.

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Win the semis over Edberg in Peter Corta.

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Sammy Corta's dad.

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And they'd won Monte Carlo earlier that year.

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And so, after the third round, someone said in the locker room,

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one of the fellow players said, "If you win this, what are you going to do for your celebration?

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Board used to go to his knees, Pat Cash went up into the players box,

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never known ever done that before at Wimbledon.

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But everyone has, like, the unique thing.

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And so for whatever reason, I said, if we win this thing, you know, and Murphy's like,

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"Win this thing, what are you talking about?"

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We just won like three matches by the skin of our teeth.

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I mean, like, all three matches could have went the wrong way.

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And I said, "Well, if we win, I'm going to body slam Murphy on the court."

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Like, it will be the most memorable celebration of all time.

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So now we're in the finals.

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And when I said that, it was like,

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five days ago. So we get the finals is on a Saturday after the Mergeo Fernandez

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Stephie Graph match. And we're sitting in the locker room.

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And the one thing when you get to these majors is it's filled.

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The locker room is filled with players and coaches and bags.

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That first, like, three or four days with doubles players, with singles players.

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You're on top of each other. But by the time you're at the end of the major,

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everybody's gone. It's honestly you. And in this case, my partner and then it was our opponents.

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And that's it. We didn't have a coach. They had a coach.

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We played these two Germans. It was a Golden-Prinosal.

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And they spoke perfect English. And they were honestly 10 feet away.

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Normally, like, graph wins in like, under an hour.

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So you kind of anticipate your warm-up. You anticipate everything.

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And it's just a magical experience because this is your moment.

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Like, you may never get there again. And that's the one thing that kept...

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I've never played a match where I felt if I don't win now,

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I may never get this opportunity to give. And being known as a French Open finalist,

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compared to a French Open champion, that's a different, that's a completely different

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area code, zip code, parking lot, all together. And I definitely knew that going in. And so I was...

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We're waiting in the locker room to... this match ended up going three sets. So there's extra time to

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sit there. Okay. Like, we're, you know, constantly worried about the game plan. We're... Should I eat now?

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Should I not eat now? Should I stretch? And I knew Patrick McInero since the juniors.

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And I got to play with them in doubles and hang out with them, which meant I got really good

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connections with Johnny Mac. So I practiced with Johnny Mac a ton when I was at college in LA.

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He would live in a Malibu. It's the practice from out there. And then playing them a few times

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on the tour before Murphy and I teamed up. Now, it's on the Davis Cup team with him in 92. And so he

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walks in because he's calling the match with Bud Collins. Our doubles match. He's not calling the

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women's final. And it's just honestly like the Germans off to the side. And then Murphy and I

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are sitting there just waiting and Mac comes in. And he gives us... gives us this like general pattern

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speech. Like, I want you... It's the day before the 49th anniversary of D-Day. And it's a huge deal

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in France. Huge celebrations in France is liberated and everything like that. So it's kind of...

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you... As an American, you notice it. And you know it in the French. It's a big deal. But

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Mac and Ro just starts going off. I want you to take these Germans and I want you to take them back

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to the beaches and I want you to do the... And I'm just like just the coolest thing. It's like... It's

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like my football, you know, my... There's like Binslam party. Like Mac and Ro is going off

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getting us fired up. And the thing I'm thinking to myself is these Germans, they speak perfect

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English. They weren't even alive when D-Day was going down. And Murphy's saying, "Why is John

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Mac and Ro screaming at me?" And it was like the pep talk we needed. It was like this... Like you go out

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there and you're here to kick some serious, but you're an American tennis player, an American competitor.

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And this is what we do. And this is what Conor's does. And this is what Jack Kramer did. And that's

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what all... You know, Chris Everett, this is what we do. And it just kind of got us kind of focused

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on going out to kick butt. So we get out there when the first set, lose a tie-breaker in the second.

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Murphy is like all upset and not in a changeover that I've blown the tournament. And I'm so... He's

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sorry that, you know, we could have won or we haven't lost it. We've been down in every single one of

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these matches. And he just kind of loses it for a while and we get down 3-0. And I'm serving at

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0-3. And that's... It was the biggest moment in my tennis life because I know if we go down double-break,

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we're done. And that moment just to keep us relevant, just to keep us within just striking distance.

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And I end up holding the most important service game in my life. It wasn't that hard, but it wasn't

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routine just because what really wasn't the balance. What... What if I drop that game, we're done.

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So we get the 3-1, we break. And then Murphy holds, we start trade and we finally break at 4-0.

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And Murphy's serving for it. Now Murphy, I'd never played a French open. You know, he played one

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major earlier the year in Australia. We lost, I think, first or second round. He's serving for the

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match in John McRown, you know, calling the match. I mean, it's perfect. So he goes out there,

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big serve, 15 love, another big serve, 30 love. Fantastic. And if you see doubles today,

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the team's huddle, the real good team's huddle, to be on the same page of where the serve's going to go.

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What does the net player do? Even the return team, where they're trying to return him things. So

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Murphy and I huddled forever. And it was always business. Our entire lives is always where the

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serve's going, where, you know, where does the server want the net player to go? So Murphy's the

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quarterback of the team when he's serving. He's calling the shots, calling the plays. So he comes up to me

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at, you know, 5-4-3-3, 30 love. And he goes, whatever you do, don't hurt me. And I'm like, what are

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you talking about? And he says, don't be stupid. I know you can do something stupid. And just don't

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hurt me. I go, dude, we haven't won anything. There's celebrations coming. Yeah, celebrate. Yeah,

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so double-falt, brick, volley, 30 all things are getting really dicey. So I know at this point,

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as soon as he gets the bone, the box, I've got to cross. I've got to go, like as soon as possible

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and cross. So he gets the serve in. And I leave so early, the opponent, Golnir couldn't believe he

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had this opportunity. A freight train could have, like, just, he could have thrown the ball for a winner

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because I was already committed and he missed it to give us match point. So we get the match point.

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Murphy gets it in. I try to poach. I can't get there. Murphy gets the volley back. So they start

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lobbing. So it's basically underneath Murphy. And he should take it. But at the last second, he goes

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yours. So I have to scramble. And the one thing that I always feel when you're up match point,

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you can't miss the ball. Like it, because at least if you lose the match, you can sleep for the

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rest of your life and say, you know what? At least I didn't choke or blow it. So I massage it back

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down the middle. I don't push it, but I definitely, definitely didn't go for a winner. I was definitely

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going to put the ball in down the middle. They lob again. I hit another one down the middle. And the

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guy backed deep behind the baseline. Cornice still like rips it and misses it. We win the French open.

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Unbelievable. Like crowds going nuts. I go to embrace Murphy. He goes to embrace me. I come up from

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the from up below. And I clock him with a forearm. He's going down the hug me. I'm coming up. I

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get him with the forearm. I think I gave him a concussion to I break his jaw. I break. He can't feel his

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face. He can't, he like, he like, he's kind of like dizzy a little bit. And he starts swearing at me

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the more the obscenities that you wouldn't believe. He's ripping me, ripping me as we're going to shake

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hands with our opponents. These these German guys are looking at us going, what is wrong with these

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guys? There's something wrong with these Jensen brothers. So Murphy's all ticked off, pissed off. He

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grabs his gear and starts walking off the court. The tournament director goes, "Monsun Murphy,

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much more V." But he's like, "What? What? What?" He must pick up the trophy. He slams his bag down.

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And they don't do it this way anymore. But back in the day, there was like it put steps in a red carpet

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from the chair umpire all the way up to the the president's box. And it was always like the the

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musketeers from France. There's always these famous tennis players up there. So Murphy walks up like he

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wins the singles. I'm with the Germans. Like I just lost. Get up there. And there's a trophy that stays

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at Roland Garibas. And that's the same with the singles, doubles, mixed doubles, juniors. And it's a

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bigger one. And then they give you smaller replicas. So Murphy takes it and they as they hand us the winning

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us the winning trophy, Murphy takes it from my hands, holds it up like he just won the singles tournament.

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And the only picture I have with this trophy, I have, I outreach this high as I can reach because he's

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taller than I am. And I got three, I got a, I got two fingers and a thumb. I got three like digits on

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this trophy is the only picture I have holding somewhat the front trophy. And then they put it back in

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the trophy case until you either win it again or you get to see it from afar. You never get to touch

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that trophy again. So Murphy, the Germans, you know, they get a nice little you know, played or whatever.

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And he won't talk to me. So Murphy's face, he can't say anything. There's blood. There's no blood or

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anything. You can't really talk as is Jaws broken, but he's holding that trophy. So proud and so high in

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the thing that, you know, to answer your question, how do you get to that moment? And it's just

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chopping the wood step after step moment after moment and things are going to happen where you have

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to figure it out. And in my career, I tell juniors all the time, I played one perfect match and I nearly

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lost it. And everything else was a battle. I wasn't one of these players that could, oh, I'm going to be

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in the semis this week, where I'm going to there's a guaranteed paycheck, you know, when I get to the

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finals or maybe win this tournament, every match was a battle. And I think every practice and every

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tournament that ever led me to that moment prepared me to win that tournament. I love it when you say

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confidence is a choice, but winning matches is momentum. Because that was that question of peaking

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at the right time. In that case, it wasn't necessarily peaking. It was a lot of things that came

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together, even the John McEnroe. Oh, yeah. And then the mother, the mother smashing you boys back

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together, right? It's you always give credit to others as well, which I really appreciate. You

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got to have those good people around you. And thankfully, you've got Patricia Jensen and John

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McEnroe evidently helping you helping you win matches. And let me get a 30 seconds to in the quarters

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when we're playing LeContin, even as a bitch, even as a bitch, one of the biggest servers in the

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history of the game, Un-acing machine. And the day before we were practicing this guy Dennis

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Ralston who played at USC one Wimbledon doubles at 18 in the Hall of Fame and everything. He

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was working with Gabby Saboteini, one of the hottest tennis players in the history of sport.

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And he's going, Hey, I can't warm her up. Can you guys warm her up? Absolutely. We can definitely warm

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up Gabby Saboteini. So we get out there and back in the day, we used to call it hitting approach

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shots. So when you go and talk to a girl and want to ask her out, we call it, okay, you got to hit

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approach shots. Got to stick that, you know, got to stick that approach shot, you know, and coming to

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the net. And she had really good passing shots. So, you know, Murphy and I in this warm up are

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trying to ask her out and she's trying to warm up her match and everything. And so after we act

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like a couple of knuckleheads, Dennis says, Hey, you guys played even a switch in the caught tomorrow.

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Why don't you guys play both backs on Goren's serve? He's not a real good volunteer. This ball doesn't

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come back that often. So he's not really good when the ball gets back on him. And if you play both

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back, give yourself a little bit more space and time in the defensive in the first and second serve.

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I've done it on the first before, but we've never done it on the second. And it's another

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example of the right person at the right time. If we hadn't been chasing Debbie 17y, you know,

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like this is a strategy. And you know, it's just being open and looking for opportunities

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and to pay it off.

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