I'm sitting at work and I get an email and it's like, hey, would you like to come meet with comedy Central New York?

I was like, this spam account, people gotta stop spamming me.

I'm not even.

So I kind of don't even look at it.

But then I go back and look at it again.

I'm like, wait, this is a registered address here.

What's going on?

So I email them back immediately.

Call my mom.

I'm like, mom, pick out which car you want.

Right, right.

Yeah, I made it.

It's a meeting.

And you're like, we on fame?

Cause once you get a meeting, give you a million dollars.

Kids, that's not how it works.

Hot breath.

What's goody, hot breathiverse?

Welcome back to hot breath, the show where you learn comedy from the pros.

I am your host, comedian Joel Byers, and our guest today is the definition of a creative entrepreneur known for his comedy.

He actually got his first claim to fame in middle school as the lead man of a rap group.

Comedy didn't really start jumping off until freshman year of college when he serendipitously met on the first day of college with a crew of other creators that they created an amazing platform called dormtainment.

Blew up on social media.

They got picked up by Comedy Central, but this is not an overnight success.

At one time, their channel got deleted and they had to build it from scratch when Comedy Central called them.

My guest today was actually at his call center job, so we're going to get into that and so much more he has going on beyond comedy.

But ladies and gentlemen, hot brethren and sister, and welcome to the hot breathiverse, Mister Rome Green.

Oh, man.

Hey, man, you almost sound professional, like you know what you're doing, man.

I like it.

Thank you for having me.

It's much more green for the cake, man.

It's beautiful cloudy weather outside.

It's looking nice outside.

I'm glad I could bring that with me.

I'm glad.

No, I appreciate that.

Not a lot of people know that.

Fun fact about that call center bit.

That's hilarious.

That was a time in my life.

But before we even start, I am a southern man.

I know you live in Atlanta.

Where are you originally from?

I live in Atlanta.

I'm from Rome, Georgia.

From Rome, Georgia.

Rome, Rome, Georgia.

Yeah.

I was raised in North Carolina, Raleigh Durham area of North Carolina.

And I was always taught to bring gifts, so I have a sunglasses brand, and I wanted to gift you with one of our frames.

The drip.

Yeah.

You know, what I'm saying?

Mama taught me well.

The drip.

So, mom, be proud.

Shady side up.

Yep.

Shady side up.

Oh, wait.

Yeah, yeah.

Are these the blue ones?

Those are nice and blue.

Blue.

Those are called the waters.

I was peep.

I'm not even fronting.

I don't know why I'm talking like this all of a sudden.

I just went full honky Bonnix.

I just turned into white boy Joel right there.

Going back to my ATL days, I was.

No cap.

No cap.

That's what they say.

That's what the kids say.

I was peeping these on the website.

Hey, well, look, I didn't even fronten there you.

Oh, yeah.

Saucy.

Saucy with it.

Come on, man.

The drill is here, so you don't have to wear them now, but I just wanted to give them to you.

Oh.

How we looking?

I don't know.

We looking good.

We styling and profiling.

But you're wearing yours.

I can take mine off.

Listen, we're going to get deep.

You know what I'm saying here?

Advertisements.

That's looking good, though.

There you go, Shady.

Solid.

I appreciate it.

Quality, too.

Yeah.

Thank you, bro.

Oh, man.

My wife will be so proud.

Oh, yeah.

She's going to be like, oh, man, you went out shopping.

I appreciate that.

We'll put it up right there, too.

They can see shady snacks.

That's solid.

Thank you, bro.

But, yeah, thank you for having me.

Yeah.

What's the story behind these pandemic happens?

In college, I always wanted to have some type of business I've been doing to entrepreneurship since high school.

And in college, I was like, oh, one day I think I'm gonna own a sunglasses company.

Because I don't know why I said it.

I was just like, I always wore shades.

And then pandemic happens.

One of my homies is like, hey, remember when you said you was gonna do shades?

I was like, yeah.

He was like, not gonna lie.

We ain't got nothing else to do.

You wanna, like, try it out?

See what we can do?

He wanted to go 50 50 with me and, yeah, we created it in, like, six months.

We started working on it in March.

It launched August of 2020.

Yeah, that's a pandemic business.

Was this the initial name, or did you.

Yeah, shady side up.

Shady side up is where it started.

Just.

Cause we.

At the time.

At the time, we just was like, you know what?

We love breakfast.

And.

Wow.

Shady side up.

That would be great.

Clear.

Yeah.

Breakfast sunglasses, they go hanging sunny side up.

Shady side up.

But then later, we realized how much we were, like, positive people and positive individuals, and we was like, you know what?

It's like flipping the negative to a positive.

Take the shady side up of life and then respect.

Then we were like, oh, that works, actually.

So, yeah, that's where we are.

Yeah.

What was your first entrepreneurial?

Oh, man.

When we first got into college, we started a non profit, but then we realized you had to have a profit in order to have a nonprofit.

So that went downhill real quick.

Was that the sweepstakes one?

Yeah, it was like, yeah, yeah, sweepstakes situ.

It was a lot going on.

Then we were club promoters in Atlanta.

Through one party, you know, six people came, five of them was us.

So that went downhill.

We actually had the name of somebody else who already had a name, but we didn't do any research, because why would I do research at 1819 years old?

That doesn't make sense.

And so that didn't go well.

And then we were like, you know what?

This is all funny.

We should just do comedy.

I think that's where we all love comedy.

We all.

And everybody went to school for a different thing.

I went to school for audio production.

We had.

Somebody went to school for advertising.

Somebody else went to school for 3d motion graphics.

So it all kind of came together in the right way.

It was like the Avengers of the art school.

Yeah.

So it kind of worked out.

And then here we are, you know?

And then you guys shot a video at your dad's house with, like, crackheads.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, on from there, we took an old Sony cam, was at my dad's house.

Did we did, like, this hood hunters video where we, like, we're in the hood.

Like, Steve Irwin is in the jungle and looking for hood.

It's wild when I think about it.

And people.

And we put it up on Facebook, you know?

Cause YouTube wasn't the newest thing.

And I was like, I don't know about that YouTube stuff yet.

We threw it on Facebook.

Cause that's where our audience was at the time.

So we threw it on Facebook.

People were like, oh, we love this.

We love this.

And then we kept doing stuff on Facebook.

Then we're like, you know what?

This new YouTube platform is here.

Let's start throwing things on there.

And then it eventually became a true business in 2009.

So YouTube wasn't that old when we started.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, so I've been on YouTube a long time.

I'm a forefather of.

Yeah, it's changed a lot since then.

I've seen YouTube when it wasn't paid.

I've seen YouTube and they had, like, the ad Pocalypse thing where people were getting paid blue cool amounts for money.

Did I benefit from it?

I'm not gonna tell anybody, but okay, yeah, yeah, that was a thing.

Then they stopped that.

And then I seen when MCNs came out and, you know, it was maker studio and.

And fullscreen and all these other.

I've seen YouTube go everywhere.

Literally, shorts.

I didn't know the shorts never existed.

All this stuff on YouTube, like the suggestion bar wasn't there.

Everything.

Literally everything.

Yeah.

Where do you think it's going?

Here's the thing.

I think AI is definitely going to be in there somewhere.

I don't know in what way, but I do believe that AI is going to take some part in YouTube at some point.

But it's weird because even when we were.

Because we were essentially treating YouTube as our tv show.

Cause we were dropping.

When we first started, we dropped a video every Sunday for four years straight.

I don't think people know how hard that is to do.

It's almost wild.

Even me, I'm 35 now, looking back at 21 year old me, I'm like, that's a different type of energy.

That's young boy energy.

Yeah, that's young boy energy.

There's no way.

There's no way I would somebody tell me, oh, let's do a video every Sunday night.

I have responsibilities and I'm sleepy.

I'm not doing that.

That's crazy.

Sunday's on my rest day.

All right.

I don't need to be doing anything.

But that consistency was great at that time, and we treated it as a tv show.

And I think that's why we garnered the fan base we did, because it was like, oh, it's like a new thing.

It's six black guys in Atlanta, Georgia, doing comedy, and groups weren't comedy.

Groups weren't a thing on the Internet, you know what I'm saying?

So I feel like, especially black comedy groups, I feel like we kind of, like, ushered that in, and I'm shout out to all the new groups that came from that.

Cause a lot of them are like, hey, man, you guys really showed us how to do it.

I'm like, that's special to me.

So I take that to heart.

So I love that.

Yeah, yeah.

When the first big, what?

Like, popped first.

Cause, I mean, at one point, I think you had, like, 80 grand subs, and then it got, like.

Then it got deleted.

Deleted.

And then we had to build it back up.

Build it back up.

But the thing is, it's always a.

It's weird.

Cause it's always a blessing in, like, that, the turmoil.

And it's always like, inside this storm, it's always like.

It's like the hurricane on the outside.

It's crazy.

But in the middle, it's like a peaceful situation.

So we had a hurricane on the outside, but in the middle of that, we didn't realize that because we got deleted.

We seen the power of our fans, and they were like, you know, bring us back.

And they started the campaign.

So when we got back on YouTube, it started, and it allowed us to do a rebrand.

We got a new logo, new website, new everything.

So everybody came in at one, like, giant, like, fluctuation, which made people in Hollywood notice, like, what is this that everybody's flocking to?

Little did they know we had it two years prior, but they thinking, like, oh, overnight.

Like, it just happened.

But the thing that happened was our video straight out of Dunwoody, where we parried it straight out of Compton.

Cause we had moved to Dunwoody.

All the white people were so nice.

And I was like, this place is amazing.

Like, it's fucking.

It's Wi Fi everywhere.

It's.

It doesn't get better than this.

Coffee shops, Wi fi.

And, like, the neighbors are friendly.

They helping us out.

I'm like, oh, gentrification can be good.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm like, we got whole foods over here.

It's crazy over here.

So we were like, you know what?

Let's make a straight out of Dunwoody song talking about how good the neighborhood is.

Then didn't realize that Ryan Seacrest was from Dunwoody, Georgia.

So his people saw it.

Fox News saw it.

Atlanta, NBC Today show saw it.

And so it just started kind of bubbling from there, which got the attention of our agent at the time, Gersh agency out here, and then got the attention of our first manager that we had.

And then we just started picking up, like, then it got.

That's when the comedy central thing happened.

Cause I'm sitting at work and I get an email, and it's like, hey, would you like to come meet with Comedy Central New York?

I was like, this spam account dog people gotta stop spamming me.

I'm not even.

So I kind of don't even look at it.

But then I go back and look at it again.

I'm like, wait, this is a registered address here.

What's going on?

So I email them back immediately.

Tell all the guys call my mom.

I'm like, mom, pick out which car you want.

Right, right.

I've made it.

It's a meeting.

And you're like, we on, fam.

We on, like.

Cause once you get a meeting, a million dollars, it's a record deal.

Like, what you saying to me?

Like, that's how it works, kids.

That's not how it works.

Once again, another blessing, because we got to Comedy Central.

Very green.

Never been in a meeting like this before.

And, you know, we're having a.

We go in there, we're killing it because we like the chemistry.

We're cracking jokes.

Everything's good.

I'm like, oh, man, this I can't wait.

I'm thinking about what.

What type of house I want when I move out to LA, because this is.

It's up from here.

Then they ask us a question that kind of rocked us, but in the best way.

They were like, so what type of show do you guys want?

Oh, shit.

Y'all don't just give us a show.

What are you talking about?

What type of show do I want?

Right, right.

He was like, yeah, what type of show are you thinking?

Like, what's the character arc of what you think?

And are you thinking sketch?

So we were like, we started to jumble this mix of things.

Yeah, it's gonna be like a variety reality sketch scripted show with art and words.

And they were like, it's okay.

Just like, come back.

And that hurts.

Cause you're like, oh, we've lost it.

We've lost everything.

But immediately, it made us get to work.

Cause we're back on the plane.

We're like, okay.

We're figuring out the structure of story.

We're doing it.

We ended up going home, coming up with a whole show.

And then our agents flew us back out to LA to start meeting with people.

And then Comedy Central.

LA loved the pitch that we gave them, and then that's how that happened.

So if we wouldn't have had that meeting, I don't know if we would ever, like, even got a show.

Cause we wasn't thinking about.

We thought, oh, they call you, you get the show.

Like, they already have it for you.

Because why wouldn't you have it for me?

That makes sense.

Yeah.

That makes me think of the modern day to day of, like, so many comedians.

Like, I want to go viral.

I want to blow up.

And he's like, all right, well, what are people gonna come to?

Like, you know, what's.

What's on your page?

Like, do you have a catalog of content.

What do you want to be known for?

Like, a lot of people just, I want to go viral.

And it's like, okay.

And then, yeah, I think I heard.

I was either listening to a interview with Judd Apatow, or I believe it was him.

And he was like, when he had the 40 year old virgin script, he had worked on that, sold that, and then he was meeting with either his manager or agent or somebody in Hollywood, and they were like, all right, so what else do you have?

And he was like, what are you talking about?

I just got that.

They were like, oh, you don't have, like, ten other scripts ready?

And he's like, what?

But it taught him, like, you gotta always, like, have stuff in the can.

Like, even if it's not a whole script ideas, maybe a pitch deck or, you know, something, because people are gonna ask you, or sometimes in a meeting, they might pass on one idea, and you'd be like, oh, well, I got this.

That you could like.

Or, I know you look, guys, like this.

I got this.

Or, you know, I know you guys like travel.

I came up with this travel idea, or.

And it's like, that taught me to always kind of have.

Don't spread myself too thin, but at least have ideas.

Maybe even a logline or a paragraph about a show, because sometimes people can hear an idea and be like, let's expand on that.

What's that right there?

Yeah.

So that was a big gift.

That taught me a lot, too, to always just have things, like, ready.

Yeah, yeah.

I think Dave Chappelle pitched, like, 15 or 20 pilots before Chappelle showed it.

He had been, like, trying to get a show going for a minute before that, just.

And then people like, oh, he was young, phenom, and he just popped off.

I mean, he was, like, working.

Oh, yeah, he was working.

Hitting the stages, doing all.

Everything.

Of course, that.

And that was something I had to, like, talk to myself about, too, because I waited to do stand up for maybe, like, four or five years into it.

Then I finally did it.

Liked, it went on, like, a maybe two, three year run of it.

But I realized that wasn't what I wanted to be out there doing.

It felt like it was taking a lot of my time, and I really liked just, like, writing and sketching and, like, idea creation and kind of being in that side producing stuff.

And I was like, okay, you gotta be able to talk to yourself and be like, do I see myself doing?

Cause when people are stand ups, they're stand ups, yo.

They're out there.

That road life is no joke.

Yeah, you gotta be outside.

And I respect, that's why I love the great stand.

I love Andrew Schultz, I love Kevin, I love Ryan Davis.

I love these Joe Byers.

I love people who are out there getting to it.

Cause that's not my calling.

That's not my ministry.

It's fun.

I love to write jokes for people.

Yeah, that's great.

I do that.

But me hitting the stages, that's not where my life is at.

And besides, once again, I be in bed.

And a lot of times.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I end up not in bed.

You outside.

Oh.

I mean, since the pandemic, I've been saying no to a lot of things.

He's like my whole, I usually be.

Like, you got a bowling alley side room, I'm there.

Got a little 08:00 p.m.

slot.

Slide me in.

I don't know.

It's tough.

It's a grindenne.

It's definitely a grind.

And that's why I think there's only a few that really get to that pinnacle because you gotta, like, really weed through that process of stand up.

It's a thing, and I respect every stand up.

It's a non stop grind.

And I don't think people realize that about the content creation game either.

Oh, yeah, that's, yeah, that's everything too.

To be consistent on that and to keep putting out ideas and throwing them up even if they brick or not.

Oh, man, that requires a lot.

And it's always the ones that you don't put a lot of time in that go off and they're like, oh, this is genius.

And I'm like, bro, that took me two minutes.

I just did a film for y'all.

Like, ah, we don't like, that was trash.

But this right here that you did in your kitchen.

Great.

I'm just like, what is going on?

Like, we did a short about how black people walked down the stairs, and it was like different versions of black people walking down the stairs.

It was like 1.5 million views in like two days.

And I was like, I have been putting out quality content for you guys.

Quality, you know, up curating ideas, bouncing stuff off the wall, writers rooms, and y'all are like, eh, that's cool.

Give me the steps.

I want the steps.

That's what you just gotta keep putting out things.

Like, that's just what it is.

You keep putting out stuff.

But now, like I said, you build a system.

After a while, when it comes to comedy, you build a system to where you know, like, all right, well, if I have this four minute video, I know I can take four pieces of content from this video.

I can repurpose that content for TikTok.

I can take that content, make it into a thread on Twitter.

I can do, like, you just start to realize, like, oh, it's an ecosystem of content, because people think you have to do one thing at a time, but you can really make the whole, like, ecosystem work.

Ooh, speak on it.

Yeah, please, give me more.

Break that down a little bit more.

Like, for example, I started a newsletter maybe, um, three weeks ago.

So from my newsletter, I know I can get a nice Twitter thread going about whatever that newsletter is.

From that newsletter, I can do a YouTube video.

Cause that's the script right there.

That newsletter turned to a YouTube video, which is then turned into my IG and TikTok content, which can then turn into my YouTube shorts content, all from one piece of content that I did from the newsletter.

I just repurposed it for everything.

And so that's the.

That's the thing.

So even if you.

If a person has a script, they're doing a YouTube video, and they have a script about, all right, this is the five best ways to get to 10,000 subscribers.

They can take that piece of content, turn that into a Twitter thread for people, turn that thread, turn that into Instagram short videos or whatever, and turn that into YouTube short videos.

And then you're like, oh, I got six pieces of content from really?

One piece of content.

So that's how you got to look at.

You can't just look at it as one piece of content.

You, like, how can I take what I did here turn that into, oh, and then let me.

Not in the podcast.

So I take that script, say it on audio now it's Spotify, Apple.

And so everything is from.

That's one thing.

And that's one thing.

So if you do three, four, five of those, you got content just kind of rolling.

Then you created an ecosystem of content.

So let's just say, hypothetically this episode right now.

Well, how.

Because we actually just started a newsletter as well.

For hot breath.

Yeah.

And I'm love.

I'm.

I'm getting a little.

Yeah, it is.

I'm.

I'm surprised at how much fun it has been.

I was like, oh, it's.

It's just me, like, writing, like, I feel like something to myself, but, like, there's actual audience and people reply to the emails.

I actually.

I was writing some on the plane over here.

Yeah.

Like, to get them out ahead of time.

What's your newsletter about?

Just all things comedy or life.

Yeah, it's like.

Well, it's like the.

The hot breathe.

We call it the hot Breath vip.

Okay.

Okay.

But you can get@hotbreadthpodcast.com.

vip.

You can subscribe there, but I'll do reviews of the episodes or summer episodes.

Or I did one about his crowd work ruining comedy.

I'll do video essays online as well.

I just made one about Schulz's team and call it the Avengers of comedy.

So I have a video about that, and then I'm gonna have a newsletter coming out about that.

So you technically already do it without you already doing it.

Now that I'm saying out loud, I was like, oh, I'm starting to see that.

It's interesting that the newsletter is the pillar piece of content.

Yeah.

So.

Cause I do a lot of, like, I love philosophy, and I love, like, self help.

I love, you know, those things when it comes to how to become the best version of yourself.

So my newsletter is called Creative Kaizen, and it basically means creative.

Creative improvement.

Cause Kaizen is a japanese term for continual self improvement.

So it's creative improvement.

So it's for all creative entrepreneurs, people who are creative, but they do multiple things to hyphenates, you know what I'm saying?

And so I like to dive in.

Like, my first letter was about focus versus balance.

Then my next letter, I believe, was about limiting beliefs.

And then, like, this week's newsletter is about choices versus decisions and the difference between the two.

And so now I can take those things and turn those into, you know, podcasts or turn.

Excuse me.

Turn those into YouTube videos or whatever that thing is.

So, the newsletter is fun.

Cause, like, it's a different muscle, and I want to eventually write a book.

So this is helping me, like, get that muscle off to write a book, so.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I've really wanted to turn this podcast into a book as well.

I know Judd has done it with his interviews, but we have over 400 interviews on here with comedians, so I think there is an opportunity to turn.

It into a book, and that's.

People don't know that if you've gotten past 20 episodes, you're in the top 1% of podcasts.

Facts.

That's crazy.

Facts.

Yeah, that's crazy.

And then, like, I remember, like, even in times where I may be feeling, like, down or off on myself, like, I realized that there's, like, over 2 million something YouTube channels, and only 35,000 have a million subscribers.

And so I'm in one of 35,000.

And I'm like, that's a feat in itself.

If I never do anything else on YouTube, I did the thing that I needed to do, which was get that.

Curate that audience, which is the springboard to everything else in life.

Because I went through this time where I was like, all right, I love comedy.

I love creating.

But sometimes I don't feel like I'm just a comedian.

I feel like I'm an author.

I feel like I'm doing all these.

So I was like, what is it?

And people would ask me, so what do you describe yourself as?

Cause I can never just be like, oh, I'm a comedian.

Because then I'd be like, well, I also do this, and I also do that.

So I was like, a creative entrepreneur is the only thing that made sense to me, because I'm always.

Comedy is going to be the through line in everything I do, because naturally it just comes out.

Even in my marketing for my sunglasses, is comedy even in the things I may write in the newsletter, even though I'm being serious, I might.

I'm gonna throw a joke in there, or throw.

It's just always gonna have that through line.

So I was like, okay, yes, I do comedy, but it's not my identity.

My identity is somebody who's growing every day, figuring this life out, and I wanna be able to give that back to the people who are going through the same thing.

Yeah.

And I think it's important to give ourselves permission to do that.

Literally.

Like, up until the pandemic, like, I was like, stand up.

Stand up.

Stand up.

Stand up.

Stand up.

Every night.

Every night.

Every night.

Every night.

Like, I'm on the road.

Like, I was like, about that life 110%.

And then the pandemic happened, and I was like, not on the road anymore.

And I was like, oh, man, it might.

What else?

What else am I about that life?

Like, do I want to be driving 8 hours?

You know, like, like, you know, would I rather be at home?

What's the ROI on that driver?

Spending time with family and such.

So it made me start to think more about this podcast and other creative outlets and really think.

I think we, as a comedy purist, it's like, well, I'm a stand up.

People are going to think x, y, and z, but it's like, well, what else?

You can be more than just one thing.

I think it's giving yourself permission to do that.

Yeah, I listened to Alex Hermosi, which is a super dope business, guy.

And he was like, they were asking them, like, how do you combat, like, doubters and naysayers, stuff like that.

He was like, well, I realized they're all gonna die.

And I said, goddamn.

But he said, also, I am too.

He said, so am I.

Why would I be worried about the opinions of people who are human who also will die, who in three generations, maybe my stuff might not even be remembered anymore.

Or their stuff might not even be remembered anymore.

He says, I'm just gonna do what I need to do, because at the end of the day, we gon die.

And I was like, when you look at it, just plain and simple like that, as morbid as it is, he right.

Like, we gonna die.

So it's like, why do I care what people.

Oh, man, you were doing YouTube.

Do you do that anymore?

Who are you?

Like, what are you?

And I was like, I'm putting out content.

I can make some money.

I can have a living as long as I got my family, my community.

It is what it is, you know?

And I think a lot of people are starting to realize that, too, especially with the pandemic.

That was a big, huge thing for people to realize.

And travel opened up my mind a whole bunch more just to the world.

I was like, we're so western world that we don't realize, oh, there's other places out there that have no idea what we're talking about over here.

Yeah.

I literally just got a DM this week from a comedian in Saudi Arabia, and he's starting a comedy club.

And he wanted to, like, talk to me about, like, the ins and outs of, like, running, running like, a comedy club.

And I was just like, Saudi Arabia?

Like what?

Oh, man, you're saying travel just made me think of, like.

Cause I mean, I get DM's from, like, comics in Australia, like, all over the world.

I know you're thinking broader in comedy, but that made me think of, like, Saudi Arabia.

That's the one where I was like, it's like, that's what y'all out here doing.

I was like, all right.

Like, all right.

I would go to a comedy club in there.

You know what I'm saying?

I mean, if, you know, if they bring the bag, I'll pull up.

Yeah, definitely gotta bring a bag because I'm putting myself in danger.

Okay.

That's a little bit dangerous.

You know, just saying I love y'all, you know, everybody.

I love everybody.

But, yeah.

And I think that the cool thing about what we get, we get to do this as a living which is also.

You gotta think about this.

Like, how many people get to just, like, what we're doing right now?

We're talking for a living.

Like, my mom used to tell me to shut up.

Like, take that, mom.

I'm talking.

But it's just like, it's not traditional.

It's unconventional.

And I tell people, like, people hit me up, like, hey, big bro, first off, somebody called me Og.

I was like, hold on.

Slow it down, old head.

Old head.

I'm 35.

I ain't even got 40.

What are we talking about?

But I get it in YouTube terms, I'm Og.

Like, so they was like, oh, Og.

You know, I'm starting my YouTube.

I'm trying to figure out this and that.

The third, I'm like, look, man, you at least got to do 50 to 100 things on YouTube before you talk to me, to be honest.

Because that.

Then I'll know.

Then by the time you wanna come back and ask me something, you'll figure it out.

Because most people want to get the easy access, and I want to help people get there faster.

But at the same time, there's no cutting the workout.

It's just like, if a stand up comes to you and he's like, I wanna.

This is my thing I wanna do.

You're gonna be like, okay, well, come back to me after you've, like, went around doing the cafeterias, the random pubs, then come talk to me.

Then after you got a couple things thrown at you a few times, like, it's awkward.

Like, you gotta go through those motions.

You can't just think you're gonna go straight to Apollo, and you haven't even hit the bar up the street, you know what I'm saying?

I'm sure you've had terrible shows.

And it's just.

Oh, oh.

You didn't even mention the strip club, the sidewalks and the public buses.

Literally, I tell people, I'm like, one time we had a show.

This is one of the funniest things to me.

There was always something happening.

Shows.

We did live shows for years.

We got booked at this school.

We get to the school, we're backstage, we're getting ready.

The girl comes, she's like, here's your microphone.

Mind you, it's five of us.

She said, here's your microphone.

We were like, okay, well, where's the other.

No, it was six of us at the time.

Oh, yeah.

So where's the other five microphones?

And she was like, oh, you know, we didn't.

I said, you booked a group.

You booked a group, where would you not think we would need extra microphones?

So we literally did the show.

Passing the microphone.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, joke, joke, joke.

Then you heard.

I was just like, this is crazy.

We had another show.

Shout out to Howard, man.

I love everybody at Howard.

We were at Howard.

Show us packed.

It's slammed.

I'm like, oh, this is crazy.

We're backstage getting ready to get on.

It's already, you know, when you're backstage, your guts are already on fire because you're like, I don't know how this is going to go.

I don't know.

You're listening to see is the crowd hype?

Are they, are they a good crowd?

Okay, cool.

Especially as a stand up, you're listening to the act before you.

You're like, oh, man, he's warming them up good.

But if they sound dead, you're like, oh, it's gonna be a rough one.

Yup.

We're back there.

The oldest man that could be working at a place, I think he was Howard, his name had to.

He comes up to us.

We're about to go on stage.

My man is like, hey, I can't see to turn the lights on up there.

Can one of y'all help me turn the lights on?

We said, sir, the show, we're about to literally walk out.

He said, it's dark up there.

Oh, get your ass up there and figure it out.

What are you talking about?

What are you saying to me right now?

Like, what?

Nobody would know.

This is going on backstage.

We're panicking.

Then we go out on stage.

And you know how you go out on stage?

You know how when Mike goes out, all you hear is, all right, ladies, welcome.

I seen him.

Mike starts going out.

I said, okay, all right, this one's gonna be one of them.

Whole time, whole show, Mike is going in and out.

We're figuring it out.

The fans are just like, it's okay.

It happens.

So.

But it ended up being a decent show.

But because they were there for us, it kinda worked.

If that would've been a crowd and nobody knew it, it would've been rough.

Oh, it would've been rough.

So these are the things you gotta go through.

Bad jokes landing.

We were, I remember in Alabama, and we went back and forth about this one particular joke.

And then I already, me and Alabama don't get along.

I'm sorry, Alabama.

I mean, I'm sure you good people, we're in Alabama.

We on stage.

And this one particular joke, we were like, should we do it?

Should we not do it it was like, you know what?

It's gotta go.

Let's do it.

I've never heard a crowd go silent so fast from a joke.

I'm talking, oh, it's happening.

Da da.

And then, da da da.

Punchline's coming.

Hit the punchline.

It's like the air got sucked out the room.

You know, you don't get that laugh.

Oh, yeah.

So we just, like, calmly moved to.

The next show like nothing happened.

Yeah, we just calmly, it was awkward.

But it teaches you to sit in it.

Like, you gotta.

Cause it's gonna happen.

So anybody that's doing comedy, any of that, you just gotta go through the motion.

You gotta put out that video where people are like, hey, man, like, you suck.

Right, right.

This isn't good.

And it's gonna hurt.

It's not gonna feel good, but you're gonna learn.

Like, okay, all right.

What wasn't good about, I gotta figure out, like, what didn't resonate with them.

Like, did I stay on this joke too long?

Did.

Like, people don't understand.

Like, and even when we got to Comedy Central, it helped us because they have a very professional way of telling you that your shit not funny.

We in the writers room, we going over the script, we get to one part, the executive is like, hey, this lands softly for me.

What?

What did you say to me?

Hey, this.

Let's get an alternate for this joke right here.

That's basically, this joke sucks.

Change it.

Coming from someone who's never written a.

Joke, coming from someone who's never written a joke.

And that's what you have to realize, like, okay, they think they know what they're talking about.

They're going off of what society may deem as, like, funny.

They don't understand.

You have a sense of humor.

You have an audience.

You know what your audience want.

So you kind of gotta put your foot down in those situations.

Like, hey, I know it is, but we're young.

We're just like, okay, oh, you appeased?

And we're like, we don't want to.

Be like, oh, yeah.

Cause, you know, we don't wanna upset the executives now.

I'd be like, kiss my ass.

I love this joke.

I'm leaving this in here.

But we should have did it back then.

So anybody that's in those positions now, I think you just got to know who your audience is and stick to what your gut.

Like, your gut is going to lead you the right way.

But, yeah, so it's just those nuances in comedy where I tell people, you want to do this or you want to even.

Not just any content creation in general, you got to do, like, at least 50 to 100 of whatever you're doing.

If you tell me, hey, man, I've been doing this for two years.

I got 200 episodes.

Great.

I have a podcast called Boss Talk Podcast, where we talk about mental health, we talk about business, we talk about strategy, all that stuff.

We started July 27, 2019.

I mean.

Sorry, January 27 of 2019.

And we said we're gonna put a video out every week.

We have 241 episodes.

We've never missed a week, not one week.

So I tell people, come talk to me when you really wanna get to it.

Like, that's.

Cause that's the consistency that you need in this game.

It's the volume of success.

So, yeah.

What was the creation system you guys had as a crew, as a group?

Yeah, I think that's part of what gets us hung up as comedians is like, well, what do I post?

Like, I've been in my album before, just scrolling.

Like, what do I even post?

Figure it out.

And it's like, why?

Or I'm cutting together a crowd work clip where it's like, what's your name?

Boo.

And then, like, that's the whole clip.

I was like, I'm not posting that.

People are.

People are posting that, though.

Like, I'm on.

Yeah.

Like, I got a crowd work clip with three minutes of real materials.

See, back in YouTube days was easy.

We just knew, all right.

Cause we didn't have Instagram, right?

People don't understand, and I say this in the most humble way.

If we would have had Instagram and all this stuff back then, it would have been over for people.

Because the volume that we were producing a video every week, we'd have put that same energy into, like, Instagram and all that stuff.

But I think back then, it was easy because we knew, all right, one video a week.

That's the focus, right?

But then as Instagram comes out and, you know, Twitter and vine and all, you know, all this stuff, start doing video, you gotta be like, okay, all right, what am I gonna post?

So, luckily, since we had skits, it was easy to just take clips from skits.

We was like, all right, well, we're gonna throw two clips up this week to promote that one video or whatever.

But now, like you said, I.

It's even tough for me sometimes.

I'm like, okay, well, I know I got my podcast clips I can do.

Like, when you come do the podcast on Monday, we're like, all right.

We know we'll post a couple clips from here, all right?

And then whatever random, funny thing, like, it's just like, that's where it's at.

Now.

I'll go through my phone.

Oh.

Like, my.

I just had a video with my uncle down where I was touching his radio or whatever, and he was like, you don't touch my radio.

No, no pause.

No pause.

Play plague ass or rewind, whatever you want to do, or forward, slow mo, whatever you.

Whatever floats your boat.

But I had the video with him, and I was like, you know what?

Sometimes people just, like, at home content.

So I'm just gonna post my video with my uncle.

And everybody loved it.

I was like, I don't know what y'all want anymore.

Yeah.

And that's the thing.

I stopped caring about what people want.

It's like, what do I feel like posting?

That's what I got to.

That's literally the point.

I got to.

I'm not being ruled by this algorithm that I don't even know what it means.

So let me just post what I want.

See what happened.

TikTok.

December of 2021 on our dorm team at TikTok.

It was like, 5000 people on there.

Cause I wasn't really.

We wasn't really doing anything.

So I was like, let me do an experiment.

Let me just start posting old stuff.

Let me start posting.

It shot up, like, 30K followers in, like, two months.

I was like, TikTok is a wild place over there.

That audience is crazy over there.

Cause that's a whole.

I feel like there's a whole nother set of people.

Like a whole nother planet over there.

And that's when I realized, oh, each platform is different.

TikTok has their audience.

Instagram has their audience.

YouTube has.

There's some people who don't watch nothing but YouTube, some people who don't go on any other platform but TikTok.

Cause TikTok is almost like a Google now.

People search like, oh, if somebody's looking for top five places to travel in 2023, you type it on TikTok, it's gonna give you a bunch of.

Bunch of videos.

So it's like, okay, I know to put a kind of random stuff on there if I want to.

If I have a thought.

Let me throw it up on TikTok.

Let me reply to somebody's comment, make almost a comedy bit out of what their comment is.

Throw that on TikTok.

So every day is different.

To be honest, there's no really system.

The system is just get the content out that you want to get out?

That's what I've gotten to.

So what would you say to, like, a comedian trying to, like, a young comic and trying to figure out what to post or even how to generate ideas sometimes?

I mean, that can be difficult.

Like, where do you find inspiration?

Well, I think you find inspiration by living life.

I tell people that all the time.

Like, I'm sure there was something that happened on the plane to you on the way here.

Even getting here, the weather being shitty, finding part, this.

You're always.

This material is gonna pop up.

Are you just willing and open to, like, just writing it down?

Like, even if you.

Sometimes I would be out and just be like, all right.

I see these two people talking.

Like, I went to the gym the other day.

It's too.

Grown men butt naked, talking to each other in the locker room.

What are we doing?

Balls.

No, no, that was balls.

I said, what is going on in here?

Why would you be having a political conversation with your dicks.

With your dicks out?

That just seems a bit wild, sir, put some clothes on.

Very polar.

It's very polar.

It's literally like, come on, I just got in here.

It's in the morning.

So just writing stuff down, that happens to you?

Cause stuff happens to us every day.

And sometimes we're like, I don't have no material.

You literally have material.

Like, shit happens all the time.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I had a noise in my room for two weeks straight.

I kid you not.

I'm embarrassed to even say this.

I'm like, bro, I think it's a bird stuck in my roof.

I'm talking about on the podcast.

I'm like, bro, I think I'm gonna have to call somebody.

There's some type of animal in my roof.

I keep hearing the same noise, and it's low key, scaring me.

I'm cleaning up my room one Saturday, and you know how there's those air fresheners that kind of spray automatically?

I forgot I had one, but the air was out of it.

So every time it sprayed, it made, like.

So it wasn't a bird.

It was my dumb ass that left the air freshen.

And I was like, this is idiotic.

What does that say about me?

Am I not aware of anything that's going on in my house?

So then I started coming up with, like, stuff about how you gotta be aware and how as you get older, you just be leaving.

You just leave stuff because it takes too much effort to have to go out and get another one.

Of those things, you're like, I'll get to it.

At some .3 weeks later, you're thinking it's a bird stuck in your roof when you could have just replaced the air in the air force.

So it's like, just small things like that.

And even Rick Rubin has a book called the Creative act.

Phenomenal book for any creator, comedian, artist, writer, whatever that is.

And he was like, ideas are like clouds.

Like, they turn into rain.

You know, it hits the ocean, it evaporates, comes back.

He said, it's always this ecosystem of ideas, but you have to take days.

He said, I guarantee you, you've come up with the best material just sitting around doing nothing.

He said, the material that you force, you're always like, ah.

But when it's just like, you and your friends shooting the shit, talking to each other, y'all take a walk.

Y'all go to that coffee shop.

Y'all go grab some food.

Something happens there.

And then you remember, like, oh, remember that time we literally, all of our sketches when we were younger came from real things that happened to us?

Huh?

There was nothing that we were just like, oh.

Cause we got a skit called what her face looked like.

And it's about us trying to figure out what this girl's face looked like.

Cause she would not turn around.

And we just thought she looked good from the back, but we wanted to see what she looked like from the front.

And she ended up turning around.

She ended up being cute, but we were like, how could we turn that into.

Whenever she turns around, it looks crazy.

So we knew we had the framework of, all right.

Some guys looking at a girl.

Cause every guy can relate to, oh, man, I'm trying to see what she looked like.

And so every time she would get ready to turn around, something would happen.

Something else will happen.

But then we were like, what's the punchline to this?

And for weeks, we were like, well, what's, of course, everybody gonna expect when she turned around?

Because it's a comedy skit for her to be ugly.

So we were like, oh, that's too easy.

That's low hanging fruit.

What else could we do?

Could she, like, have two heads or something?

We didn't.

We was like, oh, no, no, no.

So I was on Instagram not thinking about the skit.

I seen this makeup artist who did makeup to where it looked like, you don't have a face.

And I was like, oh, she turns around, she has no face whatsoever.

And then that's what we did.

Everybody was like, that is a wild ending.

But I was like, I love stuff, but it came from me not even thinking about it.

I was just on Instagram.

I was like, makeup artist.

I was like, oh, there we go.

But it just comes from freeing yourself and not, like, forcing.

So you got to get out and live, go travel, go visit grandparents.

They got stories, like, all that stuff, you know, as a stand up, usually if it comes from real life, you can tell when a stand up is like, okay, he really went through that, right?

Yeah, he's suffering right now.

He's going through it, and I like it.

Yeah.

And that's.

Sometimes people will ask me, like, well, I have this.

I have this experience, but it's not like a joke.

It's not like a setup, punchline, misdirect joke.

I was like, well, if it gets a laughter, it's a joke.

It's funny.

Honestly.

You know, it's.

Sometimes we can overthink, but, like, that's just true.

And it's getting a laugh.

But where's the structure there and the misdirect?

Yeah, Mike just.

I think it was.

I forgot which comedian was.

He came out on stage, he was like, all right.

Cause he wasn't the main actor.

I think it might have been Kevin Hart or somebody else.

He was like, came out on stage, all right, I got three jokes for y'all.

I'm getting out of here immediately.

People laughing.

He did three jokes.

He left.

Phenomenal.

I was like, this is phenomenal.

I was like, you can't beat sometimes.

You just gotta go with what you feeling.

Because the crowd, they can tell when it's from, like, a real place.

Like, they're like, oh, he's really going through that.

Or, like, that's even Instagram videos or whatever you do.

Like, if something happened to you, it doesn't have to be this well oiled structure.

Now, there are ways to make a good punchline to a joke.

I had this stand up joke that I was doing on how my mom, it came from real life.

Cause my mom, she was dating, and I was like, me and my mom dating at this age sounds stupid, because, mom, why are you dating?

I'm dating.

Are we in the same pool?

What's going on?

I'm afraid.

But then she met a guy and how she wanted me to call him daddy.

I said, I'm not calling no grown man daddy or step daddy.

I said, from here on out, mom, he is known as.

That's my mama's nigga.

That's just who he is.

I'm never referring to him as his first name, whatever it is.

But then I would get around my other comedian friends and they would start to add tags to it and I would like, see, that's how you work at Joe.

You gotta have people around you that really they'll listen to you.

They'd be like, oh, yeah, yeah, you should add this or you should add this.

And it's not coming from a place of like, oh, man, I know, I don't want to give you my joke.

It's just like, no, no, this gonna make it better, you know, so get around people.

The environment helps you too.

Like, or if you are a content creator, get around other youtubers or whatever.

Y'all can like, bounce other ideas around.

People are so isolated now.

And that's one thing I learned when I went to Asia.

They got so much community and I'm like, oh, this is why they so, like, vibrant.

Like, they, they really big on community.

So you build that community of creators around you, writers around you.

Next thing you know, you got a little ecosystem going.

Next thing you might meet an actual comedy joke writer and he might be like, oh, you don't even gotta write the joke.

I'll help you structure it.

You give me the ideas, I'll help you structure it.

And boom.

And I think people would forget that stand ups do have writers for their jokes a lot of times.

Yeah, I need to think of that.

We have a Facebook group that has comedians all over the world in there that should we do like a joke writing contest in there every day.

But there's opportunities to do even more beyond just like a joke every day in there.

Make it collaborative.

And realizing that your joke on paper, that's one thing I learned too.

Jokes on paper sometimes aren't funny on paper, but they are hilarious when out loud, and sometimes out loud they're not funny.

But on paper, you read that, you're like, ah, that sounds good.

Yeah, you know, like, so.

Cause we had this one script where this guy walks into the bathroom, and this is the bathroom attendant is like trying to give him, you know, they try to give you cologne, like all the other stuff, and he tries to offer him conditioner, and he's like, bro, I'm in the bathroom.

I don't need conditioner.

And the bathroom attendant is like, but it's a leave in.

And on paper, that might not be funny, but I could see it on screen.

Like, I can see that being like, so it's so many.

Cause what does a leave in have to do with it?

I don't want fucking conditioner right now?

Let's leave it you.

So I was like, on paper, somebody might read it, okay.

But, like, out loud and seeing the scene, it might be like, okay, I can see how that be funny.

So that's all.

That's what you gotta think about, too.

If you're writing jokes or doing jokes like that, it's like, let me, let me maybe get somebody to say it out loud and see kind of what it feels like.

Or you say it out loud to yourself and see what it feels like.

So did you say you've written for stand ups?

I've written jokes for people.

Yeah, for comedians, for certain comedians, but then also for content creators.

So, like, one of my homeboys, I worked with him on a series he had, and then he would always hit me up for just captions.

I would do those for him.

Oh, and that's the.

So this is other ways you can make money, people.

Copywriting is a big thing.

Like, people need jokes, they need advertisement.

And I was able to, I ended up landing this gig where I creative directed for Hyundai for, like, eight months.

And I learned so much from there about, like, commercial writing and, like, doing all that stuff.

And that's when I knew, I was like, all right.

I think creative direction is just my lane because I like writing for things.

I like coming up with story schemes for stuff like that.

And they can all be comedy, but it doesn't have to necessarily be me being on stage or me being in front of a camera.

I can be behind the scenes doing that.

So I was like, you know what?

I like the creative direction route, too.

Like being a creative director, figuring out what this through line is for this commercial.

Or, how can we make this commercial funny?

Like these advertisement comedy and advertisement go hand in hand because that's what usually those are, the commercials.

You remember the ones that are funny.

Like, you're like, oh, I remember that.

Or I remember, like, oh, it's usually a comedy bit.

You don't really remember the somber ones.

Cause you're like, I don't wanna be sad.

You remember, oh, that was a funny commercial where the person did this.

Or like that old commercial where it was like, you lent liquor.

I forgot what the.

It's just like.

But you remember those commercials.

Cause they were funny.

No, we're not pausing, we're playing, we're.

Rewinding, and we're slow mowing, you know, power threes.

I had.

I had to squeeze one more in there.

You said, lint liquor, there's my chance.

Yeah, there's my chance.

So, yeah, just so many.

I just don't want anybody to feel like they have to limit themselves because they may not.

Because here's the honest truth.

You may not make it as the thing you think you're going to make it as, and that's a harsh reality to set in.

You're like, oh, I've been doing this, but now I'm actually good at this thing over here.

Does that mean it's time for me to pivot?

Because you can kind of.

You gotta trust your.

Trust yourself.

Like, sometimes you'll be doing one thing just to build the skills so it can go towards another thing.

Like, if possibly dormtainment may have been this thing where I got to learn leadership and group dynamics and stuff like that.

So I can lead a creative agency, or I can lead people in a creative directing role, or that I could put together a business like I did, like, you know, or learn advertising, so I can write for my own stuff and build that.

Who knows?

You know, I'm very open to.

I'm very open to it, so I'm just.

That's what I'm doing.

Yeah.

That makes me think of, actually, an Alex Hormozi tweet he had recently where it was like, if you're trying to decide between two things, pick the one that'll be the better story in 20 years.

And I was like, oh, that's interesting.

Because I've was one way, and it's like, yeah, and so many people that's like that.

Like, that started doing something else, but then, I mean, you can look at what I believe is Jessica Alba and like, you know, she's actress, all this stuff, but I think her company is worth multimillion.

Yeah, Reese Witherspoon, too.

It's like, you know, they could have chosen, said, no, I'm strictly acting.

But it's like, I kind of go, I gotta go with where my life is going.

You're not the same at 25 that you're saying at 45 or 65.

Life has its ebbs and flows.

I think I'll leave this with people.

This is one of the best analogies I heard about life.

They're like, look at life as like a basketball game.

Four quarters, first quarter, you're, of course, like, you're born to, like, 25 years old.

You're just getting out.

You're figuring out the team.

You're like, okay, like, what type of offense are they running?

Like, what is life about?

Let me make some mistakes.

Da da da.

Second quarter, 25 to 50, you're like, okay, all right.

I got a little hang on this game.

You know, I'm warming up.

My shots are starting to go in a little bit.

We might not be in the lead yet, but we.

We're figuring out the game.

He said 50.

Your halftime, like, here, you can reevaluate yourself.

Figure out, like, where's the next step you want to go?

He said, third quarter is 50 to 75.

He said, this is when you're really putting down shots.

Like, you're putting down shots.

You got family.

You're stamped.

You know what I'm saying?

And then he said, fourth quarter, 75 until you pass away.

This is all about service.

He's like, you know what?

You're passing the ball to the young boys.

Like, you're letting them know.

Like, you take the shot.

You take the shot.

This is my last game.

It's the Kobe last game.

I'm taking a few shots, but I really want y'all to do your.

Do your thing, shine a little bit.

And I was like, that's a great way to look.

That's honestly a great way.

He said, so anybody that's, like, in their thirties or even forties, you're still in the second quarter.

You're still, like, you're hitting some shots, but you're still figuring this thing out.

And I was like, I like that.

I was like, that was a bar.

I was like, that was a bar.

And it makes you realize, like, oh, yeah, I do got a lot of life to learn and a lot of life to live and do all these things.

So that's what I want people to realize.

You don't have to force everything.

Cause there's no way.

I'm sure you at 20 years old, is way different than that.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

For sure.

Different.

Totally different person.

If you haven't changed, something's wrong with you.

That's true.

Something's going on.

So.

Yeah, well, where can, uh.

That's so crazy that my parking meter just went off when you dropped that bar.

Come on.

I was thinking that's a good way to land the plane.

I'm somewhat as a prophet, I'm somewhat of a profit, man.

That's what they.

That's what they say.

Won'ty, Willie?

Yeah, won't he, Willy take it to.

It'll get you through it.

Let's.

Let's pray they don't have a ticket on my car.

We get out of here from Joel buyers.

Make sure lord don't have a ticket.

On my car, please.

All my money's hidden in the bathroom.

Wow.

I can't have a ticket on my car.

My lambo needs an oil change.

Nothing that'll drop your expression more than you go to your car and just like, bruh, come on, man.

Like, you start looking around, you start asking other people, did you see who.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

See who left?

No, they don't care.

You shouldn't have parked there.

What are you saying?

It was well worth it, for sure.

Yeah, no, no, this was great.

Thank you for the question.

I just.

I love giving these types of.

Just this information because I think a lot of times we hoard information.

It's like, there's no need.

Like, just give it out.

Like, I don't need it.

Somebody else might need it.

Well, where do you want people to connect with you, man?

All right, let's do the rundown list of things.

But no.

My main instagram, isomelot.

I r o m e.

A lot.

Then we have comedy trap house network.

That's our podcast that will be featuring Mister Joel on Monday.

Gang, gang.

And pretty much that podcast has turned into our fans sending us crazy videos and us talking about them.

Awesome.

And that's why it's fun, because you just.

The world gives you material every day.

It's a crazy world out here.

Then we have my sunglasses brand at the shady side up.

Go get you some shades right now.

Then we have my prophetic podcast, ealbosstalk.

It's on Patreon, but we're about to move it from Patreon to YouTube to get it out to the masses a little bit more.

Because I just want people.

It's not even about the money.

I want people to get the message.

And, yeah, those are the main thing.

And of course, at dorm Tammy, that's still there.

We're still posting things whenever we feel like it.

But YouTube, all the same things.

You'll see all the links.

You know how it goes, all the links in the Bios and all those.

The newsletter and the newsletter.

That link is in my bio, too.

But the newsletter, it's called creative Kaizen.

If you google it, it should pop up.

And there we go.

Or if you go to my profile, it's in the.

It's in the link.

So, boom.

We'll definitely link them up, but definitely that.

I'm excited about the newsletter.

I'm excited about ours.

It's been fun to do an extra, extra little.

And funny thing is, since I just started, I don't know where it'll grow into.

I don't know what the niche will turn into eventually.

Because some newsletters start one way, then you figure out, oh, I want to talk about this a little bit more.

Right.

You know, who knows?

Yeah, I'm just along for the ride.

Well, sign up for Rome's newsletter and follow him.

And also subscribe to our newsletter.

Absolutely.

Hopbreadthpodcast.com vip.

And I've been watching you for years, and we've been wanting to connect almost since, like, 2018, 2019 pandemic happened.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I'm glad we got a chance to do this.

I think you're super funny.

You got great jokes, you got great content, and I see the consistency, so I respect people that got consistency.

Well, real recognize.

Real.

Come on, man.

I appreciate the love.

Yes, sir.

Thanks for being on hot breath, green dab.

We're not dabbing.

We're not going to dab.

No, I'm bringing back the dab and.

We'Re going to bow.

That's the one thing you pause, is the dab.

You're like, all right, breathe.