1 00:00:02,353 --> 00:00:05,623 eddie: Welcome to episode 38 of the web joy podcast. 2 00:00:06,043 --> 00:00:07,123 I'm your host, Eddie. 3 00:00:07,483 --> 00:00:11,383 And in this podcast, we interview guests about their origin story. 4 00:00:11,383 --> 00:00:15,849 And what makes them excited and joyful to be part of the tech community. 5 00:00:16,269 --> 00:00:17,919 I hope you enjoy today's episode. 6 00:00:18,219 --> 00:00:18,849 I learned. 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:24,159 How by doing leak code with Carolina, Lou Dardy, Korea. 8 00:00:25,118 --> 00:00:27,638 Welcome to another episode of Web Joy. 9 00:00:27,728 --> 00:00:30,308 I'm excited to have Carolina with us today. 10 00:00:30,698 --> 00:00:32,738 Carolina, say hi to all the Listen. 11 00:00:33,383 --> 00:00:34,433 Hello everybody. 12 00:00:34,433 --> 00:00:35,453 Thanks for having me. 13 00:00:35,693 --> 00:00:36,473 Absolutely. 14 00:00:36,473 --> 00:00:40,493 Thank you for coming on and being willing to chat with me for a bit. 15 00:00:40,973 --> 00:00:44,603 So I know you pretty well, but those listening may not. 16 00:00:44,603 --> 00:00:47,423 So if you don't mind, to get started, let's just talk about 17 00:00:47,543 --> 00:00:51,653 who you are, what you do, where you work, just uh, a brief intro. 18 00:00:52,183 --> 00:00:52,843 So, yes. 19 00:00:52,893 --> 00:00:55,743 I'm a person in transition at the moment. 20 00:00:56,253 --> 00:00:57,873 I used to consider myself. 21 00:00:57,873 --> 00:01:01,683 I, I am a supply chain professional, so working in the industry for a couple 22 00:01:01,683 --> 00:01:06,483 years, I used to have like the, a little bit of, uh, identity attached 23 00:01:06,723 --> 00:01:08,253 to the profession kind of thing. 24 00:01:08,523 --> 00:01:10,773 But, uh, because of my love for supply. 25 00:01:11,453 --> 00:01:15,203 The last couple years I, I decide to make, in the last year I decide to make 26 00:01:15,208 --> 00:01:18,863 a switch in going to tech, and right now I'm going through this transition. 27 00:01:18,863 --> 00:01:23,693 So I quit my job at Amazon August of last year. 28 00:01:23,698 --> 00:01:26,423 So this week, uh, it is one year. 29 00:01:27,043 --> 00:01:30,073 Since I quit my job at Amazon to become a developer. 30 00:01:30,073 --> 00:01:32,353 So I'm a self, self-taught developer. 31 00:01:32,653 --> 00:01:38,713 Self-taught, eh, I went to YouTube University, . So I learned how 32 00:01:38,713 --> 00:01:40,903 to code, uh, by doing it code. 33 00:01:40,963 --> 00:01:41,773 That's actually the truth. 34 00:01:41,833 --> 00:01:44,683 That's how I learned just by seeing the patterns and doing it over and 35 00:01:44,688 --> 00:01:46,923 over, maybe like 400 questions later. 36 00:01:46,928 --> 00:01:47,893 I think I know. 37 00:01:48,418 --> 00:01:49,138 Maybe not. 38 00:01:49,498 --> 00:01:55,468 And then, um, in May of this year, I actually got a opportunity to join 39 00:01:55,468 --> 00:02:01,018 Amazon back again, but this time in, uh, thank you, uh, this time in Indiana, 40 00:02:01,023 --> 00:02:02,908 Princeton ship as a software engineer. 41 00:02:03,298 --> 00:02:07,288 So I just, uh, got my very first job as software engineer apprentice. 42 00:02:08,028 --> 00:02:13,108 In the FinTech team at Amazon and I started, uh, back in June. 43 00:02:13,408 --> 00:02:16,258 So I've been doing this for about, uh, seven weeks now. 44 00:02:16,468 --> 00:02:17,128 Awesome. 45 00:02:17,133 --> 00:02:19,228 Well that is exciting and fresh. 46 00:02:19,648 --> 00:02:20,848 Congratulations on that. 47 00:02:20,878 --> 00:02:21,418 Thank you. 48 00:02:21,808 --> 00:02:26,008 What was it that really pushed you to say, I want to do this programming 49 00:02:26,008 --> 00:02:28,778 thing and I want to do it enough that I'm willing to actually. 50 00:02:29,148 --> 00:02:32,928 Quit my job and take time off to actually pursue this thing. 51 00:02:32,928 --> 00:02:34,728 Like what was it that really drew you in? 52 00:02:34,878 --> 00:02:36,618 So there are, there are two things. 53 00:02:36,618 --> 00:02:41,118 One, I kind of like, I had come from way a couple years of very 54 00:02:41,118 --> 00:02:45,018 stressful job positions that helped me to grow very fast. 55 00:02:45,258 --> 00:02:47,028 And those are manage career years. 56 00:02:47,028 --> 00:02:51,298 Because I grew in like about two or three years where people take 20 years to. 57 00:02:51,848 --> 00:02:53,948 Their careers and I was able to do that. 58 00:02:54,218 --> 00:02:59,078 So one, I wanted a break period, so you know, I wanted to take a couple months 59 00:02:59,078 --> 00:03:03,548 to just, to be home and, you know, just like have some, uh, try to find some 60 00:03:03,548 --> 00:03:05,498 balance, you know, health and wellness. 61 00:03:05,498 --> 00:03:06,488 Do some yoga. 62 00:03:06,493 --> 00:03:07,688 I spend more time at the gym. 63 00:03:07,838 --> 00:03:09,938 I always dream going to the gym for two hours. 64 00:03:09,983 --> 00:03:12,533 And I was able to, they all just that kind of stuff. 65 00:03:12,683 --> 00:03:14,063 . So that was some of it. 66 00:03:14,423 --> 00:03:18,803 But what happened was, so back in, uh, I was weighing out, I'm not a tradition, 67 00:03:18,803 --> 00:03:20,063 I was not a traditional student. 68 00:03:20,243 --> 00:03:23,393 So I ended up finishing school a little bit on the later side. 69 00:03:23,723 --> 00:03:27,233 And while I was going through college and working full-time in 70 00:03:27,238 --> 00:03:30,773 the supply chain industry already, I came across the idea of block. 71 00:03:31,378 --> 00:03:34,108 And I had no idea, but everybody was talking blockchain 72 00:03:34,108 --> 00:03:35,488 from a finance perspective. 73 00:03:35,608 --> 00:03:39,988 I, and I had read Steven Jobs book, biography had just come out. 74 00:03:39,988 --> 00:03:42,478 I read it and then like I heard about blockchain. 75 00:03:42,508 --> 00:03:43,278 I'm like, what? 76 00:03:43,283 --> 00:03:44,068 What is this? 77 00:03:44,248 --> 00:03:45,748 Can I use this in supply chain? 78 00:03:45,838 --> 00:03:47,428 This is a question that I had in my head. 79 00:03:47,728 --> 00:03:48,718 And guess what? 80 00:03:48,778 --> 00:03:51,268 I wrote a paper about it for one of my classes. 81 00:03:51,538 --> 00:03:52,738 Uh, I got accepted. 82 00:03:52,738 --> 00:03:55,948 I went to, actually presented at Harvard at a conference. 83 00:03:56,158 --> 00:03:58,198 Uh, I did not go publish personally. 84 00:03:58,468 --> 00:03:59,368 Wasn't that that great? 85 00:03:59,458 --> 00:04:00,508 But anyways, I learned a. 86 00:04:01,303 --> 00:04:05,713 That was the point from that period on, I knew, and from reading step 87 00:04:05,713 --> 00:04:10,273 Jobs biography, I knew that I wanted to do something with my life. 88 00:04:10,363 --> 00:04:14,473 I did not know that I was tech, but I knew that, uh, you know, 89 00:04:14,473 --> 00:04:17,803 and I knew how much supply chain struggled because of the lack of tech. 90 00:04:18,013 --> 00:04:20,323 So I did not know what I wanted to do. 91 00:04:20,683 --> 00:04:23,103 And they did not know what coding was, and they did not know that. 92 00:04:23,103 --> 00:04:24,493 And that, and like I lived in Texas. 93 00:04:24,493 --> 00:04:27,793 In Texas, we don't talk about tech like we do over here in the, in the west coast. 94 00:04:27,793 --> 00:04:28,033 Right. 95 00:04:28,183 --> 00:04:31,633 So I just knew that it was something that I wanted to do, but I didn't understood 96 00:04:31,753 --> 00:04:36,793 what it was and how so then I got a wonderful opportunity to move from 97 00:04:36,793 --> 00:04:38,943 Texas to the Bay Area to work at Tesla. 98 00:04:39,528 --> 00:04:41,958 And that was the opportunity that changed my life. 99 00:04:41,988 --> 00:04:44,868 Like I feel like whenever you're ready and you have that, like that 100 00:04:44,868 --> 00:04:47,868 grit and the thing inside, like I knew I wanted to do something. 101 00:04:47,868 --> 00:04:50,148 I did not know whether something was right. 102 00:04:50,478 --> 00:04:52,728 Uh, I did not have anybody around me that knew how to code 103 00:04:52,728 --> 00:04:53,958 it and knew what coding was. 104 00:04:54,168 --> 00:04:55,698 We did not talk about stocks. 105 00:04:55,788 --> 00:04:58,428 You know, it was just a different life and the different mindset. 106 00:04:58,668 --> 00:05:02,118 But inside me, I had something and the opportunity to come work 107 00:05:02,118 --> 00:05:06,228 at Tesla came and whenever go to Tesla, man, did I find out that. 108 00:05:07,173 --> 00:05:07,723 Horrible that I knew. 109 00:05:07,723 --> 00:05:13,153 Nothing . Oh no . It was wonderful because it was like, it was, I would 110 00:05:13,153 --> 00:05:17,863 have to leave work and go home and study and spend this weekend learning like how 111 00:05:17,863 --> 00:05:21,523 to do basic things that other people in the Bay Area everybody knows how to do. 112 00:05:21,703 --> 00:05:25,753 So while I working at Tesla and like got Introduc and you know, I had to automate 113 00:05:25,753 --> 00:05:30,043 some, a lot of my work it like, that's what I said it was like, The perfect 114 00:05:30,043 --> 00:05:35,593 mix of chaos, but that brought out in me discreet and this in this desire of 115 00:05:35,593 --> 00:05:37,783 being better and pursuing excellence. 116 00:05:37,993 --> 00:05:43,873 So I started having to, to like really chase, like, how, how do I get out this? 117 00:05:43,873 --> 00:05:45,613 Like I do not know how to do this and learning. 118 00:05:45,853 --> 00:05:50,713 And that's when I got introduced to sequel . I had wonderful, wonderful 119 00:05:51,103 --> 00:05:55,963 coworkers that were very, uh, skilled with excel in writing macros and all of this. 120 00:05:56,323 --> 00:05:56,743 And. 121 00:05:57,138 --> 00:05:58,938 Like when I start a new, nothing. 122 00:05:58,943 --> 00:06:02,898 When I left, I had improved a lot of processes within my team. 123 00:06:02,898 --> 00:06:06,708 I had helped to build dashboards that like, I streamlined the 124 00:06:06,708 --> 00:06:10,188 conversation between different, uh, players in the supply chain. 125 00:06:10,428 --> 00:06:14,028 I had built new processes, I had done so much stuff that was 126 00:06:14,028 --> 00:06:17,328 like, it was wonderful, but I still liked the technical side. 127 00:06:17,898 --> 00:06:19,818 And then I joined Amazon after that. 128 00:06:20,238 --> 00:06:23,668 And the, one of the reasons why I joined Amazon is, I kind of 129 00:06:23,668 --> 00:06:27,808 like, I had a dream , , Tesla. 130 00:06:27,808 --> 00:06:29,698 I had, uh, this idea. 131 00:06:30,148 --> 00:06:31,978 There was one process that I used to do with Tesla. 132 00:06:31,978 --> 00:06:34,858 There was extremely manual that was not related to Tesla. 133 00:06:34,858 --> 00:06:39,088 That everybody that does the imparts or exports has to do in extremely manual, 134 00:06:39,088 --> 00:06:40,858 which is, which is like classification. 135 00:06:41,008 --> 00:06:41,848 Let's not get into it. 136 00:06:41,908 --> 00:06:46,528 It's uh, it's boring , but it, it's very, it's very manual and the, and 137 00:06:46,528 --> 00:06:48,238 the isn't like anything that like. 138 00:06:48,648 --> 00:06:51,948 There isn't technology that solve that because at the end of the day, you still 139 00:06:51,948 --> 00:06:54,048 need the human eye to be able to do that. 140 00:06:54,048 --> 00:06:54,378 Right. 141 00:06:54,678 --> 00:06:57,228 But I was like, there gotta be a way, there gotta be a 142 00:06:57,228 --> 00:06:58,908 way, there gotta be something. 143 00:06:59,058 --> 00:07:03,078 And at the time I came across Andrea Noun, I think machine learning 144 00:07:03,078 --> 00:07:06,768 class, obviously at that point I did not have enough knowledge. 145 00:07:06,773 --> 00:07:07,188 Understood. 146 00:07:07,278 --> 00:07:09,068 I did wash the classes on Coursera. 147 00:07:09,373 --> 00:07:11,083 Did not follow, did not understood. 148 00:07:11,083 --> 00:07:12,193 Like, but okay. 149 00:07:12,198 --> 00:07:14,833 But I, I got an idea and then I came to work at Amazon. 150 00:07:14,923 --> 00:07:17,173 That was kinda like the idea that I had. 151 00:07:17,383 --> 00:07:21,943 They are building it and I got to work, my team was building it with the tech 152 00:07:21,943 --> 00:07:27,223 team and I got to work with the t p m, the technical program manager into 153 00:07:27,223 --> 00:07:31,663 building that and having out have the, the meetings with like, you know, and 154 00:07:31,663 --> 00:07:35,203 that would be the liaison from the business side with the technical side. 155 00:07:35,628 --> 00:07:38,988 And I loved the doing that and I love those conversations. 156 00:07:38,988 --> 00:07:40,428 That's all I wanna do. 157 00:07:40,788 --> 00:07:45,108 And I did not like, and I love my job, but it was not, it was challenging, 158 00:07:45,113 --> 00:07:46,668 but not that challenging at that point. 159 00:07:47,148 --> 00:07:48,798 And, but I wanted to do more of that. 160 00:07:49,068 --> 00:07:52,458 And then like on my, on the side, I started like taking classes and I 161 00:07:52,463 --> 00:07:55,948 was like, Talking to other engineers and like Amazon, they have very 162 00:07:56,038 --> 00:07:57,598 strong culture of, uh, mentorship. 163 00:07:57,898 --> 00:08:00,838 And you find mentors to help you through your career, doesn't need be our team. 164 00:08:01,138 --> 00:08:04,498 And I noticed that all the people I reach out to were other engineers because I 165 00:08:04,498 --> 00:08:07,528 would talk to the engineers, I don't not wanna talk to the business people anymore. 166 00:08:07,948 --> 00:08:10,918 And you know, they, I got to a point where I was like, oh, 167 00:08:11,188 --> 00:08:14,758 everything that I would touch, I would think, how can I improve this? 168 00:08:14,878 --> 00:08:16,028 How can I automate? 169 00:08:16,453 --> 00:08:18,613 I wonder if there is something that could be done about that. 170 00:08:18,733 --> 00:08:22,033 And that was my mindset and the way I got to the point where I was not 171 00:08:22,033 --> 00:08:25,663 thinking about how build processes or improve operations are reducing 172 00:08:25,693 --> 00:08:29,833 or reducing, you know, the number of people or overhead that we had. 173 00:08:30,103 --> 00:08:33,883 I was more thinking about how can I using technology, solve this issue. 174 00:08:34,618 --> 00:08:38,038 That's when I decided that I wanted to do it. 175 00:08:38,068 --> 00:08:41,158 And also at that point, all my friends are engineers. 176 00:08:41,158 --> 00:08:46,048 Cause I was living in Seattle, so I went from Texas to Bay Area to Seattle 177 00:08:46,198 --> 00:08:50,788 to work for Amazon and you know, it was just, it was just a wonderful experience. 178 00:08:50,788 --> 00:08:52,198 Yes, it was nerve wracking. 179 00:08:52,438 --> 00:08:56,818 The very first couple months after I quit, I needed some mental health time. 180 00:08:57,268 --> 00:09:00,448 So I did, took a couple months, took me about three months to like 181 00:09:00,778 --> 00:09:04,618 be in a state where I was like not feeling burned out anymore. 182 00:09:04,918 --> 00:09:08,098 I did not tell Des most people too very recently. 183 00:09:08,278 --> 00:09:10,678 It was very recently that I felt comfortable telling people that I 184 00:09:10,678 --> 00:09:13,858 was struggling with my mental health and that I took some time for myself. 185 00:09:13,888 --> 00:09:15,538 And, uh, in the beginning at. 186 00:09:15,968 --> 00:09:18,038 People would ask me and I'd be like, yeah, yeah, I'm studying, 187 00:09:18,248 --> 00:09:19,418 you know, just the beginning. 188 00:09:19,478 --> 00:09:22,298 But I wasn't, I was taking care of myself, but I felt like I didn't 189 00:09:22,298 --> 00:09:23,678 feel comfortable telling people that. 190 00:09:24,248 --> 00:09:29,618 So, uh, took a couple months, felt good, then took a vacation and then came back. 191 00:09:29,618 --> 00:09:32,948 And then when I came back, I came back focused and I was like, you know, and 192 00:09:32,948 --> 00:09:37,118 that's when I was like, started working and let coding like crazy and connected 193 00:09:37,118 --> 00:09:41,018 with people on to Twitter and then start building small projects here and there. 194 00:09:41,018 --> 00:09:42,458 I don't have not built many projects. 195 00:09:42,458 --> 00:09:45,458 Like I said, I learned how to code by doing lit code, and that's when. 196 00:09:45,873 --> 00:09:46,743 Came together. 197 00:09:46,983 --> 00:09:47,733 That's awesome. 198 00:09:47,733 --> 00:09:48,003 Wow. 199 00:09:48,003 --> 00:09:53,073 Talk about learning on difficult, like I feel like it's funny, a lot 200 00:09:53,073 --> 00:09:57,783 of people learn through the typical ways of like, okay, building these 201 00:09:57,783 --> 00:09:59,163 different projects and things like that. 202 00:09:59,163 --> 00:10:01,953 And that's, you know, for everyone listening, that's a great way to learn. 203 00:10:02,103 --> 00:10:02,703 Good job. 204 00:10:03,033 --> 00:10:08,493 And then I interviewed Francesco from Daley Dev and like he 205 00:10:08,493 --> 00:10:10,893 learned using Unity making. 206 00:10:11,533 --> 00:10:16,303 Video game and I'm like, that seems like a difficult way to like learn development. 207 00:10:16,303 --> 00:10:17,593 Like you're gonna build a video game. 208 00:10:17,593 --> 00:10:17,683 Yes. 209 00:10:18,283 --> 00:10:24,283 But then I mean, leak code, even people who are in the industry for years, right? 210 00:10:24,283 --> 00:10:29,053 Like we all hate leak code like . We do leak code if and only 211 00:10:29,053 --> 00:10:30,853 if we have to do it to get a job. 212 00:10:31,093 --> 00:10:33,523 And here you are, you're like, I'm gonna learn programming. 213 00:10:33,883 --> 00:10:35,263 I'm going to use leak code. 214 00:10:35,733 --> 00:10:39,993 Wow, that is learning on difficult, so congratulations on that. 215 00:10:39,993 --> 00:10:44,883 I mean, for not giving up when leak code was your primary resource, 216 00:10:44,883 --> 00:10:46,473 that's, uh, is impressive. 217 00:10:46,683 --> 00:10:47,673 In my defense. 218 00:10:47,673 --> 00:10:52,863 In my defense, I was strict , like I said, I live in Seattle and all my friends are 219 00:10:52,868 --> 00:10:56,703 like, you know, because what happened was, at first, like, I think like everybody 220 00:10:56,763 --> 00:10:58,823 who has ever tried to learn how to. 221 00:10:59,218 --> 00:10:59,818 What did I do? 222 00:10:59,818 --> 00:11:04,198 I went to your demi and bought like 20 different, like full bootcamp classes. 223 00:11:04,348 --> 00:11:06,958 Learn this in three days, LA, la, la. 224 00:11:06,958 --> 00:11:08,638 You know, that's a route I went. 225 00:11:08,728 --> 00:11:13,138 So I have started about like, you know, 20, like, you know, about me 226 00:11:13,138 --> 00:11:15,238 pages because I started so many things. 227 00:11:15,628 --> 00:11:17,938 So this is how I actually, I got to it. 228 00:11:18,058 --> 00:11:18,908 I read a whole book. 229 00:11:19,363 --> 00:11:22,513 A Python book and I wrote every page cuz that was my mindset, right? 230 00:11:22,813 --> 00:11:25,183 And then one of my friends came over and is like, what are you doing? 231 00:11:25,183 --> 00:11:25,813 What's the plan? 232 00:11:25,813 --> 00:11:26,083 Right? 233 00:11:26,083 --> 00:11:27,763 You're gonna quit your job or you gotta have a plan? 234 00:11:27,913 --> 00:11:29,053 I'm like, no, I have a plan. 235 00:11:29,113 --> 00:11:30,743 I'm gonna do this football camp class. 236 00:11:30,743 --> 00:11:33,973 I'm gonna do that football camp, plus I'm gonna finish this in five days. 237 00:11:33,973 --> 00:11:34,993 It's 50 hours. 238 00:11:35,143 --> 00:11:37,033 Lala, you know, that was my, that was my mindset. 239 00:11:37,063 --> 00:11:38,503 He's like, no, you don't need any of that. 240 00:11:38,713 --> 00:11:39,883 You need to know how to lead code. 241 00:11:40,273 --> 00:11:42,253 And he's like, do you know how to do fist first? 242 00:11:42,333 --> 00:11:42,623 I. 243 00:11:43,153 --> 00:11:44,473 I had done Fbu at that point. 244 00:11:45,613 --> 00:11:47,383 Yeah, I can do it confidently. 245 00:11:47,383 --> 00:11:47,803 No. 246 00:11:47,983 --> 00:11:51,523 He's like, okay, let's do fbu And then he was like harassing me 247 00:11:51,523 --> 00:11:53,203 about it, you know, okay, whatever. 248 00:11:53,413 --> 00:11:55,483 And then he is like, okay, here's the plan. 249 00:11:55,633 --> 00:11:57,433 You're gonna do talent codes per day. 250 00:11:57,583 --> 00:11:58,453 And I'm like, huh. 251 00:11:58,573 --> 00:11:59,473 But that, that was it. 252 00:11:59,478 --> 00:12:03,463 You know, because I went, I took like, you know, I went to Python principles, learned 253 00:12:03,463 --> 00:12:04,753 how to like a little bit Python here. 254 00:12:05,258 --> 00:12:07,238 But then I learned by actually doing it. 255 00:12:07,298 --> 00:12:10,958 And the, the thing that I struggled with now that I I start working 256 00:12:10,958 --> 00:12:14,588 is the fact that I, I feel like I know a lot of concepts and I know 257 00:12:14,588 --> 00:12:17,528 how to write the code, but I do not know how to connect things, right? 258 00:12:17,708 --> 00:12:19,538 So it's a, now it's a different learning curve. 259 00:12:19,538 --> 00:12:22,898 Now I'm now my learning curve is how do I bring it all of this together? 260 00:12:23,048 --> 00:12:28,268 How do I actually implement a link list into my, whenever I'm building 261 00:12:28,268 --> 00:12:29,468 a website and don't wanna change the. 262 00:12:30,253 --> 00:12:31,093 So that's a difference. 263 00:12:31,093 --> 00:12:32,863 Just how do I bring it all together now? 264 00:12:33,043 --> 00:12:33,883 That's the challenge. 265 00:12:34,123 --> 00:12:38,233 Yeah, no, that makes sense because like a lot of people learn how to 266 00:12:38,238 --> 00:12:41,533 do a project and they get that down, but then they have to figure out 267 00:12:41,533 --> 00:12:43,123 how to get someone to hire them. 268 00:12:43,213 --> 00:12:43,513 Right. 269 00:12:43,513 --> 00:12:47,413 Because a lot of companies use leak code, you know, in interviews and stuff. 270 00:12:47,413 --> 00:12:49,333 So it's like you kind of have to know both. 271 00:12:49,818 --> 00:12:52,548 So a lot of people know how to build a project, but they 272 00:12:52,548 --> 00:12:53,778 don't know how to get a job. 273 00:12:53,778 --> 00:12:57,888 You really figured out coding and how to get a job really well, . But now 274 00:12:57,888 --> 00:13:03,438 that you're in the job, like connecting the individual codes that make up the 275 00:13:03,438 --> 00:13:07,578 leak code into a whole project you haven't had as much experience at. 276 00:13:07,583 --> 00:13:09,048 So that makes complete sense. 277 00:13:09,048 --> 00:13:10,418 And honestly, I mean that's a. 278 00:13:10,953 --> 00:13:12,213 easy thing to learn, right? 279 00:13:12,213 --> 00:13:15,813 Like it's , you'll, you'll get it done at no time. 280 00:13:15,843 --> 00:13:16,173 Yeah. 281 00:13:16,173 --> 00:13:20,043 It's really funny because, uh, some, some people were like, I, yeah, I can 282 00:13:20,043 --> 00:13:24,093 do a immediately code easily nowadays, but you know, sometimes I have to 283 00:13:24,093 --> 00:13:26,073 ask some basic correct questions. 284 00:13:26,078 --> 00:13:28,713 Or the other day I was also struggling with interfaces 285 00:13:28,713 --> 00:13:30,603 in Java, but hey, it's okay. 286 00:13:30,603 --> 00:13:31,263 I can do it. 287 00:13:31,353 --> 00:13:31,833 I can learn. 288 00:13:32,623 --> 00:13:37,183 So one thing we like to talk about on this podcast is something that brings you joy. 289 00:13:37,183 --> 00:13:42,883 So I guess, is there anything lately that has brought you a lot of joy, you know, 290 00:13:42,883 --> 00:13:48,043 whether community, whether a tool, whether you know, something you've been learning? 291 00:13:48,313 --> 00:13:53,233 Pretty much anything is open . I think that, thankfully, not sure if it was the 292 00:13:53,233 --> 00:13:56,803 way I ra I was raised or any, I do not know where that influence comes from, 293 00:13:56,803 --> 00:14:01,423 but, uh, I think like that I'm pretty simple in that sense that, uh, I am able. 294 00:14:01,748 --> 00:14:05,678 See the good and to appreciate the simple things. 295 00:14:06,008 --> 00:14:09,968 And I think that that has served me very well in very difficult times of my life. 296 00:14:10,088 --> 00:14:15,638 So I don't need the extraordinary or an additional tool to make me happy. 297 00:14:15,638 --> 00:14:19,628 I can just like wake up and have someone to say good morning to I, I 298 00:14:19,633 --> 00:14:24,278 understand how significant that is and how blessed I am for having that. 299 00:14:24,668 --> 00:14:29,798 Uh, so I think that I'm very blessed that I'm able to see and have joy simple. 300 00:14:30,573 --> 00:14:35,613 But lately, I, I have, life has given me some, uh, very sweet surprises. 301 00:14:35,613 --> 00:14:37,473 Some very great things have happened to me. 302 00:14:37,983 --> 00:14:41,373 One of them is my brother is visiting me from Brazil, so he's spending 303 00:14:41,373 --> 00:14:42,723 three months over here with me. 304 00:14:43,113 --> 00:14:46,563 So I moved out, I left my hou my home when I was 18. 305 00:14:46,793 --> 00:14:50,003 So pretty much I have not lived with my brother for like almost so years. 306 00:14:50,003 --> 00:14:53,963 So I knew him as a teenager, like, you know, as a rebellious kid. 307 00:14:53,963 --> 00:14:55,613 And so I did not know who he was. 308 00:14:55,613 --> 00:14:56,393 I did not know him. 309 00:14:56,513 --> 00:14:58,343 So now I get to spend time with him. 310 00:14:58,343 --> 00:14:59,273 It's been wonderful. 311 00:14:59,663 --> 00:15:03,263 Then throughout this apprenticeship that I'm doing, I have met 312 00:15:03,268 --> 00:15:06,953 some wonderful people, some uh, women that are just like me. 313 00:15:07,173 --> 00:15:10,683 They're driven, they have had different careers that are challenging themselves. 314 00:15:11,013 --> 00:15:14,673 So we have been able to connect and it's such a blessing to have other people that 315 00:15:14,673 --> 00:15:18,993 can like ha think like you do because I have in the past have had people 316 00:15:18,993 --> 00:15:21,033 think that I'm too driven, you know? 317 00:15:21,038 --> 00:15:24,003 So now finding people that think the same way, it's amazing. 318 00:15:24,003 --> 00:15:27,243 Of course, I'm careful to not just go to into group sync. 319 00:15:27,273 --> 00:15:29,943 I know that, but you know, it's just amazing to have, like, there's 320 00:15:30,243 --> 00:15:32,883 some supportive system and, and my. 321 00:15:33,723 --> 00:15:35,163 I have four pets. 322 00:15:35,223 --> 00:15:36,183 One of them is missing. 323 00:15:36,213 --> 00:15:37,563 That's the not joyful pet. 324 00:15:37,653 --> 00:15:38,073 Oh no, for sure. 325 00:15:38,243 --> 00:15:38,483 No. 326 00:15:38,733 --> 00:15:41,133 Yeah, we're not gonna talk about that cause we're talking about 327 00:15:41,133 --> 00:15:44,253 joy, , , uh, but I have four pets. 328 00:15:44,258 --> 00:15:49,203 I have two dogs and two cats, and they are the joy of my life. 329 00:15:49,233 --> 00:15:51,183 There is never a due day in this house. 330 00:15:51,373 --> 00:15:55,123 You know, there is never like a boring moment because they're always 331 00:15:55,453 --> 00:15:59,593 doing something and you know, like if I'm here just working, my cat will 332 00:15:59,593 --> 00:16:03,943 scratch the door and have me let him in and then he'll come and, you know, 333 00:16:03,943 --> 00:16:07,513 like, make, make me stop working and throw with him and, and then he lift. 334 00:16:07,783 --> 00:16:11,323 So it's uh, you know, they gimme a lot of, a lot of, a lot of joy. 335 00:16:11,623 --> 00:16:13,423 And then also I live in Washington. 336 00:16:13,573 --> 00:16:17,443 I'm sorry, but I gotta show off And Washington's gorgeous in the sun. 337 00:16:17,833 --> 00:16:21,733 So I get to go on hikes and just like literally just walking, 338 00:16:21,733 --> 00:16:24,883 just driving through the state to anywhere that you drive. 339 00:16:24,883 --> 00:16:26,023 It's just beautiful. 340 00:16:26,173 --> 00:16:29,893 The mountains, the sun, it's so green, it's so beautiful, you know? 341 00:16:29,893 --> 00:16:32,923 So Seattle in the summer is the best place to be at, and I'm 342 00:16:32,923 --> 00:16:35,703 here, so I'm very thankful for it. 343 00:16:36,208 --> 00:16:40,828 It's funny being not from the north of the United States. 344 00:16:41,248 --> 00:16:45,908 I often picture it always cold in desolate, but we actually 345 00:16:45,913 --> 00:16:49,138 visited Maine recently during this summer and I was like, wow. 346 00:16:49,168 --> 00:16:51,358 It like feels really good up here. 347 00:16:51,358 --> 00:16:55,748 Like the weather is nice and warm, so I imagine, you know, it's probably 348 00:16:56,268 --> 00:16:57,778 somewhat similar temperament. 349 00:16:57,778 --> 00:16:57,868 Mm-hmm. 350 00:16:58,198 --> 00:17:01,138 , uh, in Washington as, as Maine right now, so yeah. 351 00:17:01,168 --> 00:17:01,988 That's awesome. 352 00:17:02,408 --> 00:17:03,908 You have the good summer. 353 00:17:03,998 --> 00:17:04,988 I love that. 354 00:17:05,168 --> 00:17:08,528 Really the thing that brings you joy is life, right? 355 00:17:08,528 --> 00:17:11,558 Like if you think about all the little things that you listed, right? 356 00:17:11,558 --> 00:17:18,008 Like having someone to see in the morning, family, pets, and also, 357 00:17:18,008 --> 00:17:19,988 right, like having community. 358 00:17:20,078 --> 00:17:21,278 I think that's the essence, right? 359 00:17:21,278 --> 00:17:23,648 Like you said, you know, of course you don't want to group think, 360 00:17:23,648 --> 00:17:28,148 but like to be in a place and not feel like you have anyone. 361 00:17:28,568 --> 00:17:31,868 Who can think like you or understand like you, right? 362 00:17:31,868 --> 00:17:34,898 Like you were saying, people sometimes might think you're too 363 00:17:34,898 --> 00:17:39,818 driven or something, and that can make us feel individualized, right? 364 00:17:39,818 --> 00:17:44,108 And like set aside because well, people think we're different for some 365 00:17:44,108 --> 00:17:46,718 reason or another, and so to isolated. 366 00:17:47,083 --> 00:17:48,733 Yeah, exactly. 367 00:17:48,763 --> 00:17:53,113 And so to find people who like see you for you, right? 368 00:17:53,113 --> 00:17:55,543 And like understand the way you're wired. 369 00:17:55,813 --> 00:18:00,523 It is such an awesome thing to be able to rest and know and that's awesome. 370 00:18:00,583 --> 00:18:01,663 Yeah, no, absolutely. 371 00:18:01,843 --> 00:18:05,713 Well, as we wrap up today, you know one thing we always like to do at the end is 372 00:18:05,713 --> 00:18:10,663 just to say, Hey, like as a community, we love to support each other and didn't know 373 00:18:10,668 --> 00:18:14,263 if there was anything that you're involved in or anything that you've worked on that 374 00:18:14,263 --> 00:18:15,823 you'd like to share with the community. 375 00:18:16,493 --> 00:18:17,633 You think they might find helpful? 376 00:18:17,903 --> 00:18:22,463 Well, you know, uh, not actively involved right now, but, uh, whenever I was doing 377 00:18:22,463 --> 00:18:27,773 need code, uh, and I was struggle, find myself struggling, I use, I relied on 378 00:18:27,803 --> 00:18:31,913 Twitter a lot, you know, just as saying I would post some there, like, I don't feel 379 00:18:31,913 --> 00:18:35,333 like doing need code today or something, and people would kind of motivate me 380 00:18:35,363 --> 00:18:38,453 and that was the really, literally the idea, the reason why I would pose is 381 00:18:38,453 --> 00:18:41,138 because, Thrive from the peer pressure 382 00:18:42,143 --> 00:18:45,868 So from that, a idea, and it was actually not an idea to clarify, it 383 00:18:45,868 --> 00:18:50,458 was, uh, Sean Accents idea to create a community where we would like 384 00:18:50,668 --> 00:18:52,858 help each other to stay accountable. 385 00:18:53,098 --> 00:18:57,508 And because of that, a, I ended up creating a community 386 00:18:57,508 --> 00:18:58,918 called Accountability Buddies. 387 00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:03,103 On Twitter, I actually don't promote this community much 388 00:19:03,103 --> 00:19:04,723 because you know, it's growing. 389 00:19:04,843 --> 00:19:06,073 It has been growing since it started. 390 00:19:06,073 --> 00:19:09,313 It's not very large, but I like it to be organic thing and like I 391 00:19:09,313 --> 00:19:12,913 only tell people to join it if I someone that I know that it needs 392 00:19:12,913 --> 00:19:14,743 some sort of accountability or help. 393 00:19:14,953 --> 00:19:17,563 So we have this community where you can go there and you can be like, 394 00:19:17,773 --> 00:19:19,543 Hey, I'm currently working on this. 395 00:19:19,543 --> 00:19:22,303 I need's some accountability to get someone check on me on your week. 396 00:19:22,303 --> 00:19:22,633 You know? 397 00:19:22,633 --> 00:19:25,933 And then like we can like, uh, help each other, remind each other. 398 00:19:25,993 --> 00:19:29,083 Sometimes at the beginning of the week, we go and post our goals. 399 00:19:29,113 --> 00:19:31,753 People post people use the community differently. 400 00:19:31,873 --> 00:19:34,483 And some people will use just to track, you know, just through like 401 00:19:34,633 --> 00:19:38,503 go there and write and be like, Hey, I will get X, Y, z done. 402 00:19:38,743 --> 00:19:40,273 So that's a wonderful community. 403 00:19:40,343 --> 00:19:40,583 If. 404 00:19:41,343 --> 00:19:43,863 It doesn't matter what it is that you're working on, you know, I'm 405 00:19:43,863 --> 00:19:46,683 talking about like lit code, but doesn't need to be even tech related. 406 00:19:46,683 --> 00:19:50,493 If it's a fitness goal that you're pursuing or perhaps a, you know, 407 00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:53,673 you just wanna feel healthier or you just learn, read more. 408 00:19:53,673 --> 00:19:57,243 Just like use the community and ask people directly point out to 409 00:19:57,243 --> 00:20:00,723 people and be like, Hey, who can help me to be accountable in this? 410 00:20:00,953 --> 00:20:02,813 Because that is a community for you, right? 411 00:20:03,023 --> 00:20:07,373 So just like, you know, uh, I have the community, uh, that I'm very proud of. 412 00:20:07,493 --> 00:20:11,123 Uh, like, you know, I was being off the social medias for a while now, 413 00:20:11,273 --> 00:20:14,573 but I, I logged in today and I saw that people were helping each other 414 00:20:14,573 --> 00:20:16,103 and they, they gave me so much joy. 415 00:20:16,103 --> 00:20:16,793 They really did. 416 00:20:16,798 --> 00:20:18,773 I actually went downstairs into my partner. 417 00:20:18,983 --> 00:20:21,533 You're not gonna believe it, because I kind like, felt a little bit in 418 00:20:21,533 --> 00:20:23,903 the beginning that the community was a little bit dependent on me to. 419 00:20:24,293 --> 00:20:26,633 Keep the conversation going and that's not the case at all. 420 00:20:26,873 --> 00:20:30,143 People are helping each other and that's the beauty, you know, you find 421 00:20:30,143 --> 00:20:32,783 people that are like, have similar goals and you push each other. 422 00:20:32,933 --> 00:20:33,503 So Yes. 423 00:20:33,533 --> 00:20:35,903 Uh, accountability parties is a community on Twitter. 424 00:20:35,993 --> 00:20:36,323 Yeah. 425 00:20:36,323 --> 00:20:37,343 So that's what I have. 426 00:20:37,348 --> 00:20:39,623 If you guys need any help with staying accountable. 427 00:20:39,863 --> 00:20:40,523 Awesome. 428 00:20:40,523 --> 00:20:41,423 That's excellent. 429 00:20:41,423 --> 00:20:43,343 And yeah, that's so encouraging, right? 430 00:20:43,523 --> 00:20:44,153 To just. 431 00:20:44,698 --> 00:20:45,658 Like step away. 432 00:20:45,658 --> 00:20:49,108 And when you peek back in, you see people working together and 433 00:20:49,108 --> 00:20:52,318 helping each other out and like it really achieved the goal, right? 434 00:20:52,318 --> 00:20:56,998 Which is like anything that relies on one person isn't really a thing. 435 00:20:57,028 --> 00:20:57,538 Sustainable. 436 00:20:57,868 --> 00:20:58,498 Yeah, exactly. 437 00:20:58,498 --> 00:20:59,338 It's not sustainable. 438 00:20:59,338 --> 00:21:00,688 And so that's awesome to see. 439 00:21:00,693 --> 00:21:04,618 It's kind of, it's grown beyond the need for you to be there and like 440 00:21:04,618 --> 00:21:07,648 you can come in and check in right when it's good for you and when it's 441 00:21:07,648 --> 00:21:09,658 healthy for you and when it's not. 442 00:21:09,658 --> 00:21:11,398 Like they'll still be there to. 443 00:21:11,813 --> 00:21:14,183 Support each other, and that's just super encouraging. 444 00:21:14,183 --> 00:21:15,233 So thank you for sharing. 445 00:21:15,413 --> 00:21:16,283 Yeah, absolutely. 446 00:21:16,493 --> 00:21:20,123 And thanks for asking . Well, that is about it. 447 00:21:20,243 --> 00:21:23,183 Thank you Carolina, for joining us today. 448 00:21:23,183 --> 00:21:26,723 I really appreciate you making the time to chat and it's been fun just 449 00:21:26,728 --> 00:21:31,253 hearing about your journey and what brings you joy and all of that stuff. 450 00:21:31,523 --> 00:21:31,973 Awesome. 451 00:21:32,153 --> 00:21:33,263 No, thank you so much. 452 00:21:33,263 --> 00:21:34,913 I really appreciate you inviting me over. 453 00:21:34,913 --> 00:21:36,143 I was like, why me? 454 00:21:36,143 --> 00:21:40,613 I'm, you know, but I like, I hope that my story, uh, inspires someone. 455 00:21:41,118 --> 00:21:44,163 and if you have a go or something, just connect with me. 456 00:21:44,163 --> 00:21:46,023 Let let me help you to be accountable as well. 457 00:21:46,053 --> 00:21:47,283 So thank you so much, Eddie. 458 00:21:47,283 --> 00:21:48,423 This is such a pleasure. 459 00:21:48,423 --> 00:21:48,843 Thank you. 460 00:21:48,843 --> 00:21:49,443 Appreciate you. 461 00:21:49,743 --> 00:21:50,373 My pleasure 462 00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:54,130 eddie: thank you for joining us for episode 38. 463 00:21:54,370 --> 00:21:57,400 I learned how by doing Lee code with Karoleena. 464 00:21:57,850 --> 00:21:59,500 Lou Dardy, Korea. 465 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,460 You can find links to everything we talked about in this episode, as 466 00:22:03,460 --> 00:22:06,940 well as a link to Carolina's social media accounts in the show notes. 467 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,570 If you enjoyed this episode, help others discover it as well. 468 00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:13,870 Why don't you give us a shout out, you know, on your favorite 469 00:22:13,870 --> 00:22:17,740 social media platform, maybe tag that friend or coworker that 470 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:19,420 came to mind during this episode. 471 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:23,680 Don't forget to follow us wherever you hang out online, or, you 472 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,110 know, you can subscribe to our newsletter to stay up to date. 473 00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:29,080 Thank you for listening and have a great day. 474 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:29,840 bye.