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Well, hello everybody. I know,

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I know, I know. You think we fell off the
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or we don't want to do this anymore.

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But welcome to episode 108.

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We're back, and as you can see,

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we're back old school style. We

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figured out that we're just gonna do our
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and hope that you guys like it and keep
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Welcome the first lady of Pro Rodeo
Journalism and a real pro on site too,

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by the way. We'll talk about that later.

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Hello, Kendra Santos. How are you today?

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Good morning. I'm doing very well.

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Thank you. And apologies. got some wild
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Apologies. Courtesy of the Creston pool,

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but.

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Well, aren't you supposed to put
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It's whatever.

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I've got see,

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I'm good for a ponytail. lorry.

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I've got conditioner in mind, can you
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Yeah, yeah. We've

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got conditioner. Well, I'll tell you what,

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what a whirlwind month.

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I don't know about you, but apologize to
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our listeners for not getting not giving
you guys anything.

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But July is brutal for Kendra and I.

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And so we're just, we're just gonna,

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we've just collected a lot of memories and
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And we figured that in this episode,

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we would just share with you some of our
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actually.

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what we've noticed, cover a little

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news right here on episode 108.

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And you know what? I do want to say this.

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I'm gonna start topping the show with
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Thank God and God bless rodeo fans.

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Okay. Okay.

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You know, we wouldn't all be able to do
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it wasn't for the rodeo fans, which
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the contractors, the athletes,

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and all of you that are interested in
rodeo,

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that buy tickets to rodeo. So God bless
all of you.

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Thank you for joining us. Thank you for
being,

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thank you for making our world go round
and round.

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So Kendra, I'm just gonna let you start.

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You wanna kinda catch everybody up on
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and you can I'll I'll raise my hand or
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way and then I'll do the same and we'll go
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How does that sound?

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Fair enough. My last couple weeks,

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I'm actually at home this week,

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but the couple weeks before that,

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I was in Salinas and then Salt Lake City
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60 degree temperature swing, I'm guessing,

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Salinas was in the 60s and we all had our
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It was pretty amazing. So.

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Salt Lake was in its hundred and fives.

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Yes, but. Both were awesome.

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I I it's hard for me not to. Just really
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The old school traditions still alive at
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You know, the fact that it is the longest
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the fact that it, you know, it's the only
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and the team roping. Those are just really
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~ rodeo committees were when I was a kid,

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mostly, you know, ranchers,

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including that slainess where,

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you know, it was Chet B and Alan Wallace
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you know, have gone on to the great.

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Cowboy reunion in the sky and now there
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of these rodeos. And so when I don't think
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costly, literally, ~ tradition holds that
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I just, my cowboy friends are greatly
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know, ~ Selena's,

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partners come from the left side of the
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When I'm a kid, the bulldozer and the
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by the way, and they have over time
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the right side now. having those,

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it's a much bigger, everybody thinks about
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way, way, way bigger and the grandstands
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the arena weren't there and it was made
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but ~ some of the really great traditions
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score survive and so we're very grateful
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it unique and that's cool.

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it's a calling card, right? If you're a
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like Pendleton, and are able to do that,

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and it really separates you from the
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even from the the fans point of view.

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it's entertaining, and it's great.

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It doesn't mean that it works for
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but it is hats

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off and a shout out.

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You know, keep it up. There's a handful of
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and willing to continue to do this.

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And it kind of, you know, it kind of
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It's interesting to me. So I've always
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had conversations with cowboys and
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~ you know, do you realize that the the
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you guys enter.

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And pay yourselves. And I've always said,

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you know, the losers pay the winners.

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especially in looking at all of the ~
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and we'll get into Cheyenne, you know,

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about progressive and restricted entries
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There's a lot of those cowboys regional
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That are fine with paying the fees and
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They just want to go play there.

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Kendra, that I never really, you know,

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I'm I was like, you know, it's not fair.

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You know, all of the prize money that the
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~ Saddlebronk rider wins is 40% the entry
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making it in the back of the van.

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I. it.

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But you know, maybe those guys in the back
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it are happy to pay that for a chance to
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get to play with the big boys.

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So I think I have a little bit different
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I still think there ought to be enough
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to rely on heavy credit card bills because
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you know, they go into the NFR,

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they're loaded on their credit cards.

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you know, they're paying the top 10.

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mortgage payment on their ranch.

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And maybe that's okay. You know what I'm
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If they want to do that and that's what
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God bless them and let them do it.

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I think 1 of the big lies that that.

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of limiting entries and that that all
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did that would more than compensate for
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weren't helping fund the payoff.

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In a number of cases that has been a big
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that's not a lie. It that's not f yes,

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it's a i i i so I'll give you

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some personal ~ history. We did everybody
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I don't even know how many years ago.

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And we had fourteen hundred or something
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And people were tying their horses up on
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don't realize it's probably not good to
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barrel horse on pay all of these

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things just dangerous and when when I went
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it would take to get there, that's a
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lot of donated money. And we put

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I'm not coming for you. You're not an
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say everybody who limited entries failed
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but it has happened a number of times and
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fairly enough.

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~ and I ~ you know, I was it was
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I read an article, a well done article,

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that really pointed out in Cheyenne,

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and I don't remember the year,

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but the payoff was bigger when everybody
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And again, I'm I'm slightly admitting here
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Now I'm still it it still bugs me that.

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The cowboys are funding the cowboys.

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Now, if they want to do that, and the
cowgirls are funding the cowgirls.

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Miguel.

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If they want to do that, that's great.

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~ and so be it. You know, it's there's
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~ or you know, that steers are gonna start
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So our old friend at wherever he was from,

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the ought to Miguel ought to start making
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But the the reality, the reality is,

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and this is a truth, that it is expensive,

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not just in prize money, but it is
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Yeah. Thanks a lot. Thanks.

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to do outs. I don't care if it's a bucking
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a great one. You know, I and the other
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but you don't draw something you know that
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Now let me qualify that. When our
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there was a lot of guys that turned out.

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It wasn't because they couldn't win.

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It was because they didn't think they
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Sorry, guys. Don't want to hear that.

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Because the guys that got on went to the
gold medal round.

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Right? So don't give me that. You just
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or you don't think you can ride But we've
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a hard left and the talented guys get a
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You know, don't take that out of the
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but it just cost a lot of money.

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Back to my initial point, Kendra.

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It cost a lot for every out. And the
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And that also adds into that equation,

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right? Not just, yeah, the prize money
goes bigger.

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And so here's one. I'm going to pitch
something out to you.

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Thank Thank you.

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I didn't know we were going to go down
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but what about this? Do you think that the
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if a rodeo were to say we're doing a giant
qualifier event?

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And the fees are $1,000. Or I'm not I'm
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Let's say it cost, let's say it cost $65
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But let's say that you charge the
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Does that make sense? So I took and I
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~ there's an event and it costs me for
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But as long as you guys pay it and it
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our pocket and consequently out of your
prize money or your added money.

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Do you think the contestants would prefer
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Well, I guess it depends on the options
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If there are a thousand people entered and
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you know, like some of those redemption
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~ it just depends on the details of the
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Well, I would take, if I did it,

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I would take a bunch. I would take a
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Now, the flip side to that argument from a
producer's standpoint

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is I want I didn't have him,

242
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but I want Stetson right, right?

243
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Correct, at our event. And so do my fans.

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They want to see in Utah Stetson.

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They to see all the blue shirts.

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~ but you know,

247
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I think that if you had, for instance,

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let's just take our odio for example,

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there's 40.

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Ten around, 40. If you had the top 10,

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you get all the big names. And then the
other 30 qualify from an event that just

252
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But how are you going

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doesn't cost the committee anything.

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to do that

255
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So they don't have to pull it out of the
prize money.

256
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Does that make sense? You know,

257
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it doesn't cost them an arm and a leg to
do that.

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in the rough stock?

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If it was 30 and 10 for an event,

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do you think that that would be fair?

261
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Well, the rough you could you could open
it up and say everybody that wants

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to enter can. You don't have to,

263
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because the truth is they're they're not
that deep.

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I mean, you saw the bull riding at our I
mean,

265
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the the bull riders are split up.

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We'll talk about that later with the PBR
teams.

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The bull bull riders are split up.

268
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I don't know that you have to do that in
Roughstock.

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I would probably just do it in timed
events.

270
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Okay. Okay.

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I'm I'm not saying Salt Lake's gonna do
this.

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I'm just asking about a premise.

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So if I were Cheyenne, what if I went

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What if in three months out, I just held a
big slack,

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a giant slack that didn't cost us
anything,

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but put people into the rodeo.

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And I and I'm not even suggesting this for
trying just a rodeo out there,

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right? You know what I'm saying,

279
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Kendra? Just a rodeo. You have this one
big slack,

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and as long as it doesn't cost you a
fortune,

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right? You provide the facilities and some
staff.

282
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You know, for our rodeo, if we spent 20
grand to do this or 15 grand.

283
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That's not gonna kill us. ~ but do you
think that the contestants would prefer
that?

284
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Do I think time to vendors would go for
that or for for whether it's Salt Lake
City

285
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or Houston or San Antonio do I think
they'd show up yes.

286
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Well

287
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As long as the terms aren't just
ridiculous,

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you know, I think that that yes,

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a shot at that. And I mean, hey,

290
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your your your gold medal round at the
barrel race was a was a pretty fine.

291
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How do you do right? I'd never heard of
Carrie Anne Cross who won your gold medal

292
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and the number one horse in the world
right now.

293
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Piper was silver. OK, so there is
something to be said for,

294
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you know, every dog has his day.

295
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That's.

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pray not a very nice way of putting it,

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just, know, to use an old saying,

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it's just, that's why there used to be
hundreds and hundreds of entries at
Cheyenne.

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That's why Dean Finnerty, you know,

300
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entered the bulldogging at Cheyenne for
whatever it was,

301
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30 some years or something when he had the
chance,

302
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because every now and again, Cole freaking
Pugh on his permit wanted this year.

303
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Now mind you,

304
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A whole lot of the top 15 type bulldoggers
did not go to Cheyenne this year.

305
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opted out. But historically, you know,

306
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in 1983 when this little punk Scott August
Berry wins,

307
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you know, Cheyenne and changes the whole
course of his life and,

308
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Well,

309
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and and when in seventeen when we did the
trial events for the for our rodeo,

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we basically had events all over the
country and the PRCA board approved this

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and we seeded people more like Olympics
from all over.

312
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And by the way, that's when everybody
heard Wyatt

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.

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Denny's name, right? Like going back.

315
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Like who's this guy? Look at this goofy
little guy with a mustache,

316
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and he just smoked right? So I think
there's I would love that.

317
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I I think the chance for outsiders to come
in,

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figuring out a way, you know, for for and
I say outsiders,

319
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but for, you know, these truly talented
people that to get a shot.

320
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And we, you know, with Days of 47 in the
WPRA,

321
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Thanks.

322
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we had some barrel racings

323
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that the the number ones could get in.

324
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And by the way, that was a fight,

325
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right? It's it's funny because if you say,

326
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we're gonna let these people in,

327
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well, then the top 40 are like,

328
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no, no, no.

329
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It's just us. We earned our right to be in
the top forty.

330
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So we should not be held out. Well,

331
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again, w n no matter what decision you
make as a committee,

332
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you're gonna step on somebody,

333
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somebody's personal agenda or toes.

334
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And I don't, you know.

335
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Well, I think yes,

336
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I think one of the things that's
frustrating from the contestant side

337
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is when year to year the rules of the game
change like this year we're going

338
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to take you know this many.

339
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from these standings or if you finish in
the top eight or 10 in

340
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the final world standings, you're
automatically gonna get to whatever,

341
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I don't care if it's the American or
Calgary or whatever it is.

342
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And then if the next year you have
different rules then,

343
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mean, you know, look at people who have
had to sit out for injury and

344
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all of a sudden they're having to
requalify all over again,

345
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which takes, is like a year long process.

346
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Okay, now you got to try to get in the top
30 or 40 so you can

347
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get into the buildings. And that is the
most irritating ringtone I've ever heard,

348
00:18:42,678 --> 00:18:45,398
but God bless America. Anyway,

349
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Sorry about that. I can hear it.

350
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I can hear it. I meant to turn my phone
off,

351
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~

352
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but there you have it.

353
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but so, you know, there's all of this is
like,

354
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Yeah, but it's because

355
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well, it comes

356
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down to details.

357
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it's because we've changed ours.

358
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You're trying, you're trying to get better

359
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and you'd adapt things. You know,

360
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I I love all of these people that are
high,

361
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high critic critical of everything.

362
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I'll give you an example. You know,

363
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I was highly critical of the public
education system till I got on a school
board.

364
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for almost.

365
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And when I actually understood what the
school

366
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Thank

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board is dealing with.

368
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I had some compassion for some of their
decisions.

369
00:19:27,822 --> 00:19:31,924
You know, it it's interesting and it's
never going to change.

370
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That's the way it is. That's the way it is
with employees and owners of companies,

371
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right? The employees say, why don't they
just do that?

372
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They don't, they don't see it from the
seat of the owner.

373
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It's the same thing with in our sport,

374
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and this is never gonna change.

375
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It'll always give us something to talk
about.

376
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The committees are tr the committees are
all,

377
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all of them, Kendra.

378
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Are trying to do what's best for what
they're in charge of.

379
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My my job is to make money so we can give
money.

380
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Okay,

381
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We're a 501c3. We want to give more money,

382
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right? And we have five days to do it.

383
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You know, we would love a month to d to do
it.

384
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We could give a lot more money.

385
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~ but it it's just I I a little bit of

386
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are you

387
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to clarify that are you talking about
giving more money to charity?

388
00:20:18,052 --> 00:20:19,513
Okay,

389
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Correct. Correct.

390
00:20:19,613 --> 00:20:21,314
so the one thing that you know,

391
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that's wonderful and nobody's against that
I've written about this

392
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so many times nobody's against you know

393
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helping communities that support rodeos,

394
00:20:30,467 --> 00:20:33,338
helping the youth especially, which you
guys are great at.

395
00:20:33,338 --> 00:20:36,479
That's so awesome. ~ I just,

396
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as long as people, which you do,

397
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remember to also give the Cowboys and
Cowgirls a raise.

398
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And to your point about, you know,

399
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different pulling, wearing different hats
in the rodeo industry,

400
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I just heard a story that was a blast for
the September issue of

401
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the TMRP Journal about

402
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The rodeo of the PRCA rodeo home of the
Navajo PRCA rodeo in Window Rock,

403
00:20:59,721 --> 00:21:05,572
Arizona. Well There are two women running
that rodeo the last three years Jamie

404
00:21:05,572 --> 00:21:09,773
Arvisa whose son James will be at the NFR
for the first time this year

405
00:21:09,773 --> 00:21:15,335
and Carol Holyon the what I The part that
I teed off on that I thought

406
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was awesome was okay

407
00:21:18,844 --> 00:21:21,655
Jamie Arvizo's brother, Derek Begay,

408
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and brother-in-law, Aaron Sinigini,

409
00:21:24,005 --> 00:21:26,146
world champion, and Eric Rogers,

410
00:21:26,146 --> 00:21:30,357
world champion, were volunteer labor
listers at that rodeo.

411
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That is so cool to me. Those guys stepped

412
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Very cool.

413
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on the other side of fence and learned,

414
00:21:38,289 --> 00:21:42,221
you know, very eye-opening when you start
making decisions based on,

415
00:21:40,957 --> 00:21:43,607
Absolutely. Absolutely.

416
00:21:42,221 --> 00:21:43,681
you know, so

417
00:21:43,861 --> 00:21:47,242
that's why we all need to continue to work
together.

418
00:21:47,710 --> 00:21:50,733
because nobody can have it just their way.

419
00:21:50,733 --> 00:21:53,857
And we need to like rise.

420
00:21:53,857 --> 00:21:56,450
What is that about rising tides,

421
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:58,902
raise all ship, whatever, know,

422
00:21:58,902 --> 00:22:00,714
raise all ships, whatever it is,

423
00:22:00,714 --> 00:22:01,714
but it's like.

424
00:22:01,405 --> 00:22:02,405
Well, that's so when

425
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the water goes into the into the cove,

426
00:22:05,166 --> 00:22:07,983
right? All of the ships that are in it go
up.

427
00:22:07,983 --> 00:22:09,728
Yes.

428
00:22:08,625 --> 00:22:10,067
Yes, and that's

429
00:22:10,348 --> 00:22:16,418
where Mary Poppins here tried for decades
to get the PBR and the PRCA

430
00:22:16,899 --> 00:22:18,562
to be friends and enjoy

431
00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:18,039
Yeah.

432
00:22:18,562 --> 00:22:20,135
the rise together.

433
00:22:20,841 --> 00:22:24,254
Yeah, well there you go. It's because
everybody thinks they're smarter than

434
00:22:24,254 --> 00:22:26,406
the other person in everybody's seats.

435
00:22:26,406 --> 00:22:28,647
And it's because it's because of where
you're sitting,

436
00:22:28,647 --> 00:22:34,772
right? And you know, you're rowing your
own boat and the the the river looks like

437
00:22:34,772 --> 00:22:38,475
it looks for you. Right. And you know,

438
00:22:38,475 --> 00:22:40,037
and so I don't think it'll change,

439
00:22:40,037 --> 00:22:42,769
but I think it continued discussions,

440
00:22:42,769 --> 00:22:46,422
right? If a light goes off in someone's
head when they're driving down the road

441
00:22:43,826 --> 00:22:45,049
Thank you.

442
00:22:46,422 --> 00:22:48,173
and they're like, Well, that makes sense.

443
00:22:48,173 --> 00:22:50,165
I'm not gonna get quite as irritated.

444
00:22:50,501 --> 00:22:52,682
Like that makes sense. It's not good.

445
00:22:52,019 --> 00:22:53,019
Ask it's not.

446
00:22:52,682 --> 00:22:54,644
It sucks for me.

447
00:22:55,044 --> 00:22:59,627
You know, ~ a good example was Tim
O'Connell at our rodeo.

448
00:22:59,627 --> 00:23:05,091
You know, that he had a bad gait on a
horse that is not a wreck.

449
00:23:05,091 --> 00:23:09,414
and the horse hung a foot and he could
have got seriously injured.

450
00:23:09,414 --> 00:23:12,886
Well, I knew Tim, and Tim, I've known him
since he's a little boy.

451
00:23:12,886 --> 00:23:16,098
I knew he was pissed. And he looks over at
me and I said,

452
00:23:16,098 --> 00:23:20,001
after the show. And he waited and we
talked.

453
00:23:20,929 --> 00:23:23,490
And you know, I told him, I said,

454
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we made a change immediately. And I said,

455
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you could be, you, you would, I think it
would be justified for you to be

456
00:23:29,492 --> 00:23:33,033
mad at me if we had bad gates all the way
along the along,

457
00:23:31,331 --> 00:23:32,331
Yes.

458
00:23:31,631 --> 00:24:00,842
~

459
00:23:33,033 --> 00:23:35,033
but we hadn't. I hadn't seen it yet,

460
00:23:35,033 --> 00:23:37,774
nor neither had guat any of nobody in my
team,

461
00:23:37,774 --> 00:23:39,014
and we have a really good team there.

462
00:23:39,014 --> 00:23:40,875
We hadn't seen a problem till then,

463
00:23:40,875 --> 00:23:45,516
right? And probably had we left everything
alone,

464
00:23:45,516 --> 00:23:47,907
probably wouldn't have had a problem for
the rest of the rodeo.

465
00:23:48,535 --> 00:23:50,726
~ you know, Tim nodded for his horse.

466
00:23:50,726 --> 00:23:54,207
~ the gentleman on the latch couldn't get
it open,

467
00:23:54,207 --> 00:23:56,508
couldn't get it open, finally got it open,

468
00:23:56,508 --> 00:23:59,590
right? And then they they slow gated him,

469
00:23:59,590 --> 00:24:01,690
which is the wrong thing to do.

470
00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:05,932
But it if you put yourself in the
situation of this particular person,

471
00:24:03,219 --> 00:24:04,219
Okay.

472
00:24:03,639 --> 00:24:31,722
~

473
00:24:05,932 --> 00:24:09,354
I don't know that they knew what to do at
that particular moment,

474
00:24:09,354 --> 00:24:11,214
right? You know, sling it, whatever,

475
00:24:11,214 --> 00:24:12,845
and the wrong decision was made.

476
00:24:12,845 --> 00:24:14,896
And at the end of the conversation with
Tim,

477
00:24:14,896 --> 00:24:17,757
~ he understood.

478
00:24:19,355 --> 00:24:22,487
that you know, he understood we were w he
was fine,

479
00:24:22,487 --> 00:24:24,907
right? And and then it turned out he was
okay.

480
00:24:24,907 --> 00:24:27,592
I mean, I was worried that he was
seriously injured.

481
00:24:27,592 --> 00:24:32,335
And it turned out that I mean he was he's
n he he was in he was hurt,

482
00:24:32,335 --> 00:24:35,118
but not injured. I tell my grandkids all
the time,

483
00:24:35,118 --> 00:24:36,579
figure out if you're injured or hurt.

484
00:24:36,579 --> 00:24:39,171
~ and and and so he, you know.

485
00:24:38,268 --> 00:24:39,529
Well, OK,

486
00:24:39,849 --> 00:24:44,201
and you know the two sides to every story
situation and and I know your side

487
00:24:44,201 --> 00:24:48,882
and I also talked at the time before Tim
even talked to you at length with

488
00:24:48,882 --> 00:24:52,249
Tim and what I would say in conclusion,

489
00:24:52,249 --> 00:24:57,085
a thank God he wasn't seriously injured
because it could have been be.

490
00:24:57,085 --> 00:24:59,756
This is another case where you know people
are human.

491
00:24:59,756 --> 00:25:01,637
I think he had some.

492
00:25:01,817 --> 00:25:07,581
very fair, valid points. In summary for
me,

493
00:25:07,581 --> 00:25:12,244
knowing in pretty good detail the way both
of you came at it,

494
00:25:12,244 --> 00:25:15,586
you both acted as absolute professionals
in the situation.

495
00:25:15,586 --> 00:25:21,690
You listened, you immediately rectified
the situation to the best of your ability,

496
00:25:21,690 --> 00:25:27,914
and he was a pro to come directly to you
instead of backmouthing you to others.

497
00:25:27,914 --> 00:25:29,555
He came directly to you and said,

498
00:25:29,555 --> 00:25:31,146
here's exactly what happened.

499
00:25:31,662 --> 00:25:36,015
from my point of view and here's exactly
why this can't happen again.

500
00:25:36,015 --> 00:25:39,663
And you said, I hear you and you took care
of it immediately.

501
00:25:39,663 --> 00:25:44,560
And so I say good for you both because you

502
00:25:43,941 --> 00:25:44,941
Yeah, and

503
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,632
are both men about it.

504
00:25:45,882 --> 00:25:50,444
and and nobody wants Tim O'Connell to win
a gold medal more than me.

505
00:25:50,444 --> 00:25:52,344
Like if I'm prejudiced and he knows that.

506
00:25:51,908 --> 00:25:52,908
Thank

507
00:25:52,765 --> 00:25:56,416
He knows that. He knows I want him on the
medal stand because Tim

508
00:25:56,416 --> 00:25:58,127
and I've known each other so so long.

509
00:25:58,127 --> 00:26:02,169
And I love Tim and their I love the
O'Connell family.

510
00:26:02,169 --> 00:26:04,099
They're friends of mine from way,

511
00:26:04,099 --> 00:26:09,532
way, way back. And so I think what he
realized is I was just

512
00:26:09,532 --> 00:26:12,573
as upset as he was.

513
00:26:12,977 --> 00:26:16,918
Like both of us looked at each other
during our opening ceremonies and

514
00:26:16,918 --> 00:26:19,339
I looked at him like, go, go get it today.

515
00:26:19,339 --> 00:26:22,530
Right. So I mean, there's emotion in that.

516
00:26:22,530 --> 00:26:24,281
And whether you're a producer or not,

517
00:26:24,281 --> 00:26:26,501
these are people that I care about.

518
00:26:26,501 --> 00:26:29,241
And I of course I don't want it to happen.

519
00:26:29,241 --> 00:26:32,263
But at the end of the day, we both we both
said,

520
00:26:32,263 --> 00:26:36,625
it sucks, but it happens. And we just
can't be negligent,

521
00:26:36,625 --> 00:26:37,735
right? On this.

522
00:26:37,009 --> 00:26:38,009
When the shit

523
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:40,762
got saying you both were professionals and
you both stepped

524
00:26:40,762 --> 00:26:43,295
up and were professionals so good on you
for that.

525
00:26:43,589 --> 00:26:45,370
And he's winning. Like he's winning.

526
00:26:45,370 --> 00:26:47,250
I think I think he won dot six.

527
00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:50,712
I mean, I'm I'm just I want Tim because
Tim will admit,

528
00:26:50,712 --> 00:26:53,654
you know, a bareback rider's lifestyle
life,

529
00:26:53,654 --> 00:26:56,335
their body la doesn't last very long.

530
00:26:56,335 --> 00:26:58,916
And Tim knows he doesn't have he's

531
00:26:57,667 --> 00:26:58,667
was impressive.

532
00:26:58,916 --> 00:27:00,577
not at the beginning of his career.

533
00:27:00,577 --> 00:27:02,373
And he's got to he's got

534
00:27:02,051 --> 00:27:03,051
faster.

535
00:27:02,373 --> 00:27:07,150
to be careful to stay physically healthy
enough to reach his goals.

536
00:27:07,150 --> 00:27:09,231
And I understand that. And things like
that.

537
00:27:08,227 --> 00:27:09,227
you

538
00:27:09,637 --> 00:27:12,799
Don't help it. And he'll run across more
along the way.

539
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,521
And he knows that. But yeah, hats off to
Tim.

540
00:27:15,521 --> 00:27:19,004
It breaks my heart that he didn't get on
the metal platform because

541
00:27:15,836 --> 00:27:16,836
Okay.

542
00:27:16,556 --> 00:27:38,725
~

543
00:27:19,004 --> 00:27:21,305
he had the horse. He had the horse to do
it.

544
00:27:21,305 --> 00:27:24,848
Like everything was there. It was the
right horse for him.

545
00:27:24,848 --> 00:27:28,540
You know, and that's that's what makes it
even that's what makes someone even more

546
00:27:28,540 --> 00:27:30,662
angry, even on the other end of the arena,

547
00:27:30,662 --> 00:27:33,224
right? When things look at the team roping
at our event,

548
00:27:33,224 --> 00:27:37,637
you know, they're you know, and I watch
Anthony because Anthony's announcing.

549
00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:40,842
He he's deep seated in the team roping
world like you are.

550
00:27:40,842 --> 00:27:42,493
He's done it. He knows those guys.

551
00:27:42,493 --> 00:27:47,788
He's friends. And you you just see the
disappointment when it doesn't work

552
00:27:47,788 --> 00:27:52,082
out for these guys. But that's the that's
the unique thing of our sport.

553
00:27:52,082 --> 00:27:57,507
It it's it's so hard to have everything
work perfect every time.

554
00:27:57,507 --> 00:27:58,999
It's just hard.

555
00:27:59,428 --> 00:28:01,709
While we're while we're in Salt Lake City,

556
00:28:01,709 --> 00:28:04,249
I would love and speaking of team members
also.

557
00:28:05,057 --> 00:28:09,698
~ There was one evening it was Saturday
before the radio

558
00:28:09,698 --> 00:28:15,480
~ and I had done a video clip with with
team rep

559
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,331
or Coleman Proctor and Then I realized
that there was so much background noise.

560
00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:21,401
It wasn't that good. So I'm like,

561
00:28:21,401 --> 00:28:26,462
hey redo So he calls me he wakes me into
the Justin sports medicine room.

562
00:28:26,462 --> 00:28:33,044
I You know, everybody talks about the
Justin sports medicine all the time
whatever

563
00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:38,243
But if people could see the visual of what
I saw when I stepped into there,

564
00:28:38,243 --> 00:28:41,745
people have no idea what, I mean,

565
00:28:41,745 --> 00:28:44,666
they were, this is gonna come out weird,

566
00:28:44,666 --> 00:28:50,420
but they were working on Coleman Procter's
groin,

567
00:28:50,420 --> 00:28:56,746
Styrus or Trisyn Kalawea's peck from
missing a steer somewhere a couple days
before.

568
00:28:56,746 --> 00:28:58,954
He wasn't even up that night, they were
helping him.

569
00:28:58,954 --> 00:29:01,696
~ There's Cole Frank's.

570
00:29:02,152 --> 00:29:08,443
rolling around on a ball doing ~
positioning and things.

571
00:29:08,443 --> 00:29:12,755
He's had nip surgery like Chad Mayfield
who's trying to come back.

572
00:29:12,755 --> 00:29:16,435
I they're helping people who aren't even
up that day.

573
00:29:16,435 --> 00:29:19,906
And there's guys in there that are lined
up and they're like,

574
00:29:19,906 --> 00:29:24,557
it's like triage. Like, okay, this guy's
up in the bear back riding.

575
00:29:24,557 --> 00:29:27,978
they have three or four tables and they're
like,

576
00:29:27,978 --> 00:29:31,239
okay, we got to put him up first because
he's in the second event.

577
00:29:32,123 --> 00:29:35,386
It was insane, but no one was turned away.

578
00:29:35,386 --> 00:29:40,521
And if you need to have ice on your
shoulder while you sit over here

579
00:29:40,521 --> 00:29:46,296
and wait your turn, Justice Forged
Medicine provides

580
00:29:46,437 --> 00:29:50,340
a priceless gift to these guys.

581
00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:53,283
And so... ~

582
00:29:50,651 --> 00:29:53,242
Yeah, nobody, nobody gets it. You know,

583
00:29:53,242 --> 00:29:54,242
you

584
00:29:53,382 --> 00:29:54,842
can't really show video

585
00:29:55,482 --> 00:29:57,083
of that, but every

586
00:29:55,633 --> 00:29:57,347
Right. ~

587
00:29:57,383 --> 00:30:00,944
every day that room of ours,

588
00:30:00,944 --> 00:30:03,104
for instance, and we know it's that way
all over,

589
00:30:03,104 --> 00:30:06,395
is just packed full. And you know,

590
00:30:06,395 --> 00:30:12,907
the the the Justin the Justin team of
primary doctors and trainers that they
send

591
00:30:12,907 --> 00:30:16,608
out that the Justin sports medicine team
manages are pros.

592
00:30:16,608 --> 00:30:18,609
They're easy to get along with.

593
00:30:18,609 --> 00:30:20,009
They're they're

594
00:30:20,391 --> 00:30:22,963
They're often, you know, we make an
effort,

595
00:30:22,963 --> 00:30:24,764
and I think more rodeos should,

596
00:30:24,764 --> 00:30:27,566
to not think of them as a pain.

597
00:30:27,566 --> 00:30:33,190
They're not a pain. You know, get them
facilities where they can work on people.

598
00:30:31,455 --> 00:30:33,335
that they can work on.

599
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:36,292
Get them the monitor so they can see the
action.

600
00:30:36,292 --> 00:30:37,292
Get

601
00:30:36,792 --> 00:30:39,214
them good paramedics that can help them.

602
00:30:39,214 --> 00:30:42,506
Because just what you said, amen to

603
00:30:41,512 --> 00:30:42,512
Let's just switch to that.

604
00:30:42,506 --> 00:30:47,000
you. Thank God for the Justin Sports
Medicine team and what they do

605
00:30:44,765 --> 00:30:47,969
Let's go to the absence. ~

606
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,040
for a whole year.

607
00:30:48,581 --> 00:30:49,581
Like

608
00:30:49,275 --> 00:30:52,255
They don't get near enough credit.

609
00:30:52,255 --> 00:30:53,255
They don't.

610
00:30:53,561 --> 00:30:58,476
It's it's it's wild and people don't think
that a team Roper would be

611
00:30:58,476 --> 00:31:01,168
in there to work on his groaning or his
back.

612
00:31:01,168 --> 00:31:06,704
But there was Coleman Proctor and these
guys are so grateful because that

613
00:31:06,704 --> 00:31:09,457
was you know, this is the same guy that's
going to get in his truck

614
00:31:09,457 --> 00:31:11,699
and drive all night long to get Cheyenne
the next day.

615
00:31:12,295 --> 00:31:14,606
Well, thank God for all the new sponsors.

616
00:31:14,606 --> 00:31:18,637
There's no doubt that it's wonderful that
we have a lot of boots in the game

617
00:31:18,637 --> 00:31:20,087
and a lot of jeans in the game.

618
00:31:20,087 --> 00:31:26,069
But these legacy brands, we can't forget
these legacy brands like Wrangler

619
00:31:26,289 --> 00:31:30,090
and Justin. You know, these are brands
that have supported rodeo.

620
00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:31,730
And look at the sports medicine deal.

621
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:33,931
How many boots do you think that they sell
off of that?

622
00:31:33,931 --> 00:31:38,372
They do it because they're they're they're
putting they're giving back

623
00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:41,223
to the lifestyle that supports their
business.

624
00:31:41,062 --> 00:31:42,062
So.

625
00:31:41,252 --> 00:32:09,535
~

626
00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:44,863
And and Wrangler does this in so many
ways.

627
00:31:44,863 --> 00:31:47,646
I mean, you know, with our Utah Cowgirl
Collective,

628
00:31:47,646 --> 00:31:49,307
I said I want Wrangler and Justin.

629
00:31:49,307 --> 00:31:51,749
And the reason is because they're legacy
brands.

630
00:31:51,749 --> 00:31:54,111
That doesn't mean that Cinch isn't
fantastic.

631
00:31:54,111 --> 00:31:56,673
Cinch does amazing things in our sport.

632
00:31:56,673 --> 00:31:58,975
There are other boots that do amazing
things.

633
00:31:58,975 --> 00:32:02,398
This is not downplaying what everybody's
contributing,

634
00:32:02,398 --> 00:32:07,302
but let us not forget how long Justin and
Wrangler have been supporting

635
00:32:07,302 --> 00:32:09,513
the Rodeo Cowboys and the Rodeos,

636
00:32:09,513 --> 00:32:10,513
because

637
00:32:10,604 --> 00:32:11,604
they're the real deal.

638
00:32:11,867 --> 00:32:16,769
Right, and I do remember. ~ In my 1st.

639
00:32:16,769 --> 00:32:22,410
Part of my career working in the PRCA
office in Colorado Springs.

640
00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:25,791
There was literally a period of time
where.

641
00:32:25,791 --> 00:32:29,322
There were lawsuits and different things
without wrangler.

642
00:32:29,322 --> 00:32:33,613
The doors literally would have shut on the
Hall of Fame and the PRCA period.

643
00:32:33,613 --> 00:32:38,425
So yes, ~ and while we're talking about
injuries and stuff,

644
00:32:38,425 --> 00:32:40,045
I think we can't.

645
00:32:40,961 --> 00:32:47,567
move along without mentioning these major
Stetson Wright being out,

646
00:32:47,567 --> 00:32:50,159
Rocker Steiner being out, Waisie Schella
being out.

647
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:53,451
~ today is August 4th.

648
00:32:53,451 --> 00:32:55,353
Tomorrow, our reigning world champion,

649
00:32:55,353 --> 00:33:00,778
Stair wrestler Tucker Allen is having
major reconstruction surgery on

650
00:33:00,778 --> 00:33:05,512
his left knee in Dallas, courtesy of our
friend Tandy Freeman,

651
00:33:05,512 --> 00:33:08,194
out for the rest of the season.

652
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:12,962
The complexion of some of these races is
major league impacted

653
00:33:12,962 --> 00:33:16,183
by these huge outages,

654
00:33:16,183 --> 00:33:19,384
which apparently Stetson, my
understanding,

655
00:33:19,384 --> 00:33:22,806
he's gonna be right back. But okay,

656
00:33:22,806 --> 00:33:27,958
Bradley Miller, he won your gold medal in
Salt Lake City the other day.

657
00:33:27,958 --> 00:33:33,860
~ He's got like a 60 grand lead in the
bear rec writing.

658
00:33:33,860 --> 00:33:36,642
Okay, but what's he just done?

659
00:33:36,642 --> 00:33:37,662
~

660
00:33:38,274 --> 00:33:44,169
With Stetson out, he's been going getting
on bulls to throw his name

661
00:33:44,169 --> 00:33:50,604
in the all-around race. And this is like
for me having decades behind me,

662
00:33:50,604 --> 00:33:52,165
I'm like, well, if this isn't,

663
00:33:52,165 --> 00:33:56,629
you know, remember the little era in the
late 90s where Ty Murray,

664
00:33:56,629 --> 00:33:59,752
was like my phone was just, I was on speed
dial

665
00:33:58,959 --> 00:33:59,959
Yeah.

666
00:33:59,752 --> 00:34:01,843
and he'd be like toots, toots,

667
00:34:01,843 --> 00:34:05,116
toots. And it was one knee, one shoulder,

668
00:34:05,116 --> 00:34:07,298
one, the other knee, the other shoulder
like.

669
00:34:07,545 --> 00:34:12,945
He's out and then also on speed out the
same time is like Joe Beaver

670
00:34:12,945 --> 00:34:14,725
and Fred Whitfield going, is it true?

671
00:34:14,725 --> 00:34:18,165
it true? Is it true? Ties out for the rest
of the year and all of

672
00:34:18,165 --> 00:34:20,505
a sudden they're all entering another
event.

673
00:34:20,505 --> 00:34:26,385
Well, anyway, let me guess that Bradley
Miller coming from

674
00:34:26,385 --> 00:34:29,805
Sam Houston State coach Bubba Miller
raised.

675
00:34:29,805 --> 00:34:34,385
~ let me guess without looking that
Bradley Miller worked multiple events

676
00:34:34,385 --> 00:34:36,865
in college for team points, right?

677
00:34:37,564 --> 00:34:44,300
And so what's he done? He's gone to JB
Mooney's Bucktown where Kyle Hamilton's

678
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:45,693
hanging out and everything else.

679
00:34:45,693 --> 00:34:46,693
so.

680
00:34:48,625 --> 00:34:52,008
Yeah, but you gotta yes, hats off.

681
00:34:52,008 --> 00:34:54,860
I think it's that what you're bringing up
is really cool,

682
00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:56,751
these guys looking at doing this.

683
00:34:56,751 --> 00:34:58,993
But from a businessman's perspective,

684
00:34:58,993 --> 00:35:02,396
okay. I think if I were on the time divine
end,

685
00:35:02,396 --> 00:35:04,518
yeah, I would jump into other stuff.

686
00:35:04,518 --> 00:35:10,783
But I just have a hard time from a
businessman's perspective,

687
00:35:10,008 --> 00:35:11,008
this instance.

688
00:35:10,783 --> 00:35:11,783
thinking

689
00:35:11,624 --> 00:35:16,447
that it's smart to get on a bull when
you're gonna go to the NFR

690
00:35:16,548 --> 00:35:18,149
in the bareback riding. Sorry.

691
00:35:18,737 --> 00:35:24,760
But it just seems like these are there's
so many recipes for more injuries

692
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,936
on the rough stock end. There there is.

693
00:35:26,684 --> 00:35:28,005
Well, you know,

694
00:35:26,936 --> 00:35:27,936
I you know.

695
00:35:28,005 --> 00:35:31,227
okay, this is the fundamental math on it
though.

696
00:35:31,227 --> 00:35:36,843
Stetson's got 310,000 in the all around
and Bradley has 240.

697
00:35:36,843 --> 00:35:39,594
He's only 70,000 behind in the bear bear
credit.

698
00:35:39,594 --> 00:35:43,097
These guys are weighing this stuff out
every single day.

699
00:35:43,097 --> 00:35:44,438
This is a perfect

700
00:35:43,249 --> 00:35:44,249
Yeah, but when

701
00:35:44,438 --> 00:35:47,160
segue. Okay, we're talking about a couple
of go-arounds.

702
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,373
What's a gold buckle, what's a gold all
around buckle worth if something were

703
00:35:51,373 --> 00:35:54,786
to happen like it did to Stetson a couple
of years ago with his hamstring?

704
00:35:55,264 --> 00:35:57,505
What if he tries to come back and his
shoulder says,

705
00:35:57,505 --> 00:35:59,283
not quite yet?

706
00:35:58,855 --> 00:35:59,855
Well,

707
00:35:59,526 --> 00:36:03,671
or you get to the NFR if you were to
qualify and you get to the NFR.

708
00:36:03,671 --> 00:36:06,645
But the with with Stetson qualifying

709
00:36:05,130 --> 00:36:06,130
that's.

710
00:36:06,645 --> 00:36:09,879
in two events, I mean, I think that's the
key.

711
00:36:09,879 --> 00:36:14,344
You know, it y I think you need to be
qualified in two events if you

712
00:36:14,344 --> 00:36:17,508
if you think you're gonna get anywhere
close to Stetson at the end of the day.

713
00:36:17,895 --> 00:36:21,158
Unless for some reason, God forbid,

714
00:36:21,158 --> 00:36:24,340
Stetson can't be with us in Las Vegas.

715
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:25,079
Well, I yeah.

716
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:25,962
I mean, I hope that doesn't happen.

717
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:29,550
I agree. I'm just I'm not so sure it's
smart to get on a bull.

718
00:36:29,550 --> 00:36:32,681
That's I'm just saying. I I you know,

719
00:36:30,130 --> 00:36:33,090
I understand. I do. Okay.

720
00:36:32,681 --> 00:36:34,892
he's a great bareback rider. But but hey,

721
00:36:35,052 --> 00:36:40,814
hats off because I I I love that there's
still some cowboy grit left.

722
00:36:40,814 --> 00:36:44,214
I again I'm I I'm not saying don't do it.

723
00:36:44,214 --> 00:36:50,546
I'm not because I th I respect cowboy grit
and this I'm taking the re ride attitude.

724
00:36:50,546 --> 00:36:51,546
I've always had

725
00:36:50,676 --> 00:36:51,676
Thanks.

726
00:36:51,186 --> 00:36:53,317
respect. I don't always agree with it.

727
00:36:53,595 --> 00:36:58,191
I've been there like, no, don't take the
re I didn't come here to get second.

728
00:36:58,191 --> 00:36:59,191
Okay.

729
00:36:59,210 --> 00:37:00,210
Well, hey,

730
00:37:00,271 --> 00:37:05,736
Paw Kettle, you have to admit with me that
Bradlee Miller

731
00:37:06,717 --> 00:37:09,999
rolling like he is in the bareback riding
and being way out in the lead,

732
00:37:09,999 --> 00:37:13,783
getting on bulls is big brass balls,

733
00:37:13,783 --> 00:37:15,104
right? You have to admit that.

734
00:37:14,053 --> 00:37:16,622
A absolutely. I I I I I yeah.

735
00:37:15,104 --> 00:37:16,505
Okay, so

736
00:37:16,785 --> 00:37:21,049
where does the weight go between big brass
balls

737
00:37:18,949 --> 00:37:20,654
I don't know. I don't know.

738
00:37:21,049 --> 00:37:24,272
and Paw Kettle saying, okay, that's it.

739
00:37:23,173 --> 00:37:24,395
Well well y

740
00:37:24,415 --> 00:37:29,643
maybe you just need to make sure that you
have just as much brass but

741
00:37:29,863 --> 00:37:32,748
b in your between your ears as you do
between your legs.

742
00:37:32,748 --> 00:37:33,748
That's all I'm saying.

743
00:37:33,808 --> 00:37:39,243
Okay, but look where he's going for a leg
up or a little refresher course

744
00:37:38,467 --> 00:37:42,116
I I didn't I didn't say it was wrong.

745
00:37:39,243 --> 00:37:42,415
in the board I can say he's going to bug

746
00:37:42,415 --> 00:37:47,780
town and he's going to bug town and he's
going to JP Mooney and Kai Hamilton

747
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:53,304
who are kings of big brass balls and We're
gonna smoke indoors if we want

748
00:37:53,304 --> 00:37:57,158
to and we're not gonna wear helmets and
whatever and you can call them stupid

749
00:37:57,158 --> 00:37:59,710
if you want Other people call them
gangsters.

750
00:37:58,145 --> 00:38:02,218
I didn't. I I did not call

751
00:37:59,710 --> 00:38:02,182
I don't know whatever whatever your
perfect

752
00:38:02,218 --> 00:38:05,230
them stupid. I'm just okay,

753
00:38:05,230 --> 00:38:07,721
fine. Fine. You know, again,

754
00:38:07,127 --> 00:38:08,127
Let's.

755
00:38:07,721 --> 00:38:09,803
it's a free country. Do whatever you want.

756
00:38:09,803 --> 00:38:11,964
I'm just saying I I'm just

757
00:38:10,152 --> 00:38:11,152
Thank

758
00:38:11,964 --> 00:38:16,657
reminding people to really calculate this
stuff.

759
00:38:18,043 --> 00:38:19,043
Okay,

760
00:38:18,685 --> 00:38:19,685
Okay, that's all.

761
00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:23,097
thank you for teeing it up for me because
I'm not saying that you're wrong,

762
00:38:23,097 --> 00:38:25,078
by the way. I'm just saying, you know,

763
00:38:25,078 --> 00:38:26,789
there's the two sides to every story.

764
00:38:26,789 --> 00:38:30,532
This is a perfect segue into let's talk
about John Krimber.

765
00:38:30,532 --> 00:38:35,115
Let's talk about John Krimber who just won
a million bucks in the PBR

766
00:38:35,315 --> 00:38:36,966
and is doing the all night drives,

767
00:38:36,966 --> 00:38:41,071
the Capri camper to because he wants to be
the first guy to ever win

768
00:38:41,071 --> 00:38:44,782
the world in the PBR and the PRCA the same
year.

769
00:38:45,106 --> 00:38:48,126
Is that stupid, Skippy? Because a lot of
people would say,

770
00:38:48,126 --> 00:38:49,786
holy shit, what are you doing?

771
00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:55,317
Well, I guess the only the only difference
is is he's he's the best bull rider

772
00:38:55,317 --> 00:38:58,467
in the nation, knows how to he's not
learning to ride bareback horses.

773
00:38:58,467 --> 00:39:04,829
~ yes, I I think but but but he's going
after

774
00:39:05,049 --> 00:39:07,970
you know he's going after something that's
never been done.

775
00:39:06,637 --> 00:39:07,637
Thank you.

776
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:11,101
That's one thing, right? That's a
different thing.

777
00:39:11,101 --> 00:39:12,652
He has the talent to do

778
00:39:11,218 --> 00:39:12,218
Thank

779
00:39:12,652 --> 00:39:16,052
it. He does. I mean, you know,

780
00:39:16,052 --> 00:39:17,453
it's interesting to me.

781
00:39:18,769 --> 00:39:20,710
it's a good thing his dad's the coach,

782
00:39:19,332 --> 00:39:20,332
So.

783
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:26,172
but you know, his injury isn't helping
their team right now at all.

784
00:39:26,172 --> 00:39:29,133
If you watch the teams event, his groin,

785
00:39:29,133 --> 00:39:34,256
you know, i it's it's so I I think it's I
think it's fantastic.

786
00:39:34,256 --> 00:39:39,318
Okay. I I it was it I loved seeing him on
the back of our shoots

787
00:39:40,198 --> 00:39:43,109
and nobody could have rode his short go
bull.

788
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:45,501
Nobody would have rode that bull.

789
00:39:45,501 --> 00:39:46,501
~

790
00:39:46,865 --> 00:39:48,866
didn't particularly love him in the draw,

791
00:39:48,866 --> 00:39:50,487
frankly, because I would have liked to

792
00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:51,471
Well.

793
00:39:50,767 --> 00:39:54,550
seen ~ Krimber ride because he can ride
almost anything.

794
00:39:50,871 --> 00:40:17,012
~

795
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:59,053
So ~ I agree. I think that that's what
makes our sport different,

796
00:39:59,053 --> 00:40:02,055
right? That that these guys, ~ you know,

797
00:40:02,055 --> 00:40:04,287
and I think there's probably a part of
Crimber that's like,

798
00:40:04,287 --> 00:40:08,269
I want to know what it's like to be
sitting there sweating and eating a corn

799
00:40:08,269 --> 00:40:12,082
dog in the back of a van, and it's gonna
make him a better bull rider.

800
00:40:12,082 --> 00:40:15,714
Cause the rest of these little punks that
are flying in there and staying

801
00:40:15,714 --> 00:40:16,714
in a Marriott.

802
00:40:16,761 --> 00:40:20,927
and going and doing their fifteen pushups
and then watching their PowerPoint

803
00:40:20,927 --> 00:40:23,852
on what they should eat and never having
rodeoed,

804
00:40:23,852 --> 00:40:26,656
this is gonna make Crimber a better bull
rider,

805
00:40:26,656 --> 00:40:27,656
period.

806
00:40:26,933 --> 00:40:27,933
Well,

807
00:40:27,793 --> 00:40:31,136
and remember to what he's told me at Salt
Lake City,

808
00:40:31,136 --> 00:40:35,940
I'm like, why? And he said, I want to do
this because my dad,

809
00:40:35,940 --> 00:40:39,383
my dad is my ultimate hero. And he not
only went to the NFR,

810
00:40:39,383 --> 00:40:44,628
but he won the NFR. you know, Pablo Primer
is John's hero.

811
00:40:45,103 --> 00:40:47,523
And so that's part of his why also.

812
00:40:47,523 --> 00:40:52,603
you know, interesting and yeah.

813
00:40:49,373 --> 00:40:51,514
Cool. It's cool.

814
00:40:52,943 --> 00:40:56,863
And so, ~ there's so many different ways
to go.

815
00:40:56,863 --> 00:40:59,163
I it's hard for me to leave Salt Lake
City.

816
00:40:59,163 --> 00:41:00,903
There's so many things that happen there.

817
00:41:00,903 --> 00:41:02,903
Well, I guess while we're talking about
injuries,

818
00:41:02,903 --> 00:41:06,563
I would say something.

819
00:41:06,563 --> 00:41:08,883
Let's let's talk about the other end of
the arena.

820
00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:10,123
Let's talk about Chad Mayfield.

821
00:41:10,518 --> 00:41:14,401
So, you know, everybody knows he has two
hip surgeries and then he's trying to,

822
00:41:14,401 --> 00:41:15,822
you know, pull a code, you all.

823
00:41:15,822 --> 00:41:21,366
And how fun for me right now when Cody all
is texting me like,

824
00:41:21,366 --> 00:41:24,648
you know, what he just told Chad and,

825
00:41:24,648 --> 00:41:29,342
and here, here, you know, shots been doing
some winning and you know,

826
00:41:29,342 --> 00:41:33,154
can he come back at Reno and make the
finals and Hey,

827
00:41:33,154 --> 00:41:35,056
if he's got a chip in a chair in Vegas,

828
00:41:35,056 --> 00:41:36,917
never count him out. Everybody knows that.

829
00:41:36,917 --> 00:41:37,917
And

830
00:41:38,222 --> 00:41:42,241
Something that happened Sunday night a
couple days ago was tough.

831
00:41:42,241 --> 00:41:44,662
I know we're bouncing all over the place,

832
00:41:44,662 --> 00:41:47,162
but it was was tough to watch.

833
00:41:47,162 --> 00:41:52,602
Maybe more than anything as a rodeo mom
because he was high man back

834
00:41:52,602 --> 00:41:54,402
in the short run at Dodge City.

835
00:41:54,402 --> 00:41:57,702
And you know,

836
00:41:57,702 --> 00:41:59,942
but that human error was made at the short
run.

837
00:41:59,942 --> 00:42:02,122
Cows were 100 miles away when the short
run happened.

838
00:42:02,122 --> 00:42:04,362
OK, you heard about that or no?

839
00:42:04,144 --> 00:42:07,916
Yeah, I did. I don't know. I I don't know
how that

840
00:42:04,362 --> 00:42:07,542
OK, it's too bad and I'm not here to just,

841
00:42:07,542 --> 00:42:08,542
you know.

842
00:42:07,916 --> 00:42:09,847
happens. Like I just

843
00:42:09,614 --> 00:42:10,614
100.

844
00:42:10,368 --> 00:42:14,340
I can't wrap my head around how that went
down.

845
00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:16,972
I understand b I understand one thing.

846
00:42:16,653 --> 00:42:17,653
Yeah.

847
00:42:17,392 --> 00:42:21,194
I I don't I'm sorry, I'd have to do a
little more digging.

848
00:42:21,194 --> 00:42:24,056
I don't so so for non rodeo fans,

849
00:42:24,056 --> 00:42:27,818
correct me if I'm wrong, 'cause you're
you're way more way more in tune with

850
00:42:27,818 --> 00:42:30,780
the time to event end. But for instance at
our rodeo,

851
00:42:28,443 --> 00:42:30,973
Let's start it back up.

852
00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:32,941
they rope all of the cattle.

853
00:42:33,615 --> 00:42:38,359
And then our like Guatney w John Guatney,

854
00:42:38,359 --> 00:42:39,850
who did a really good job for us,

855
00:42:39,776 --> 00:42:42,040
Thank you.

856
00:42:39,850 --> 00:42:44,194
he he works they pick they pick the short
go cattle,

857
00:42:44,194 --> 00:42:45,194
right?

858
00:42:44,955 --> 00:42:47,867
And those get pulled off, and that's the
short go cattle,

859
00:42:47,867 --> 00:42:52,621
right? And ~ and but so I I

860
00:42:53,222 --> 00:42:56,465
I I don't I I don't know how someone

861
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,781
The short-nosed cattle

862
00:42:56,781 --> 00:42:59,774
typically, historically the short-nosed
cattle are brought back by the guys

863
00:42:59,774 --> 00:43:01,066
who make the short-nosed In other words,

864
00:43:01,066 --> 00:43:02,807
tend to be the best end of the herd.

865
00:43:01,117 --> 00:43:03,359
Correct. Correct.

866
00:43:02,807 --> 00:43:03,807
Okay?

867
00:43:03,479 --> 00:43:05,220
And I just don't know how someone,

868
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:10,445
right? I again, I I wasn't there and I'm
not throwing any daggers at anybody,

869
00:43:10,445 --> 00:43:14,348
but how someone with I mean, these guys
catch everything.

870
00:43:14,348 --> 00:43:19,563
How someone can't look at that pen of
cattle or s how someone well,

871
00:43:19,265 --> 00:43:20,265
Wawaw.

872
00:43:19,563 --> 00:43:20,563
and

873
00:43:19,673 --> 00:43:23,496
maybe they did. I again I I haven't done
enough research on this.

874
00:43:23,496 --> 00:43:27,920
~ I I it it just that that's terrible.

875
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,441
It's terrible. So what you know.

876
00:43:30,227 --> 00:43:31,227
the chips.

877
00:43:30,381 --> 00:43:31,381
My my

878
00:43:31,082 --> 00:43:37,062
my what what what Shad Mayfield ~ posted
in a public comment was that basically
what

879
00:43:37,062 --> 00:43:43,558
happened is is they drew out of the wrong
~ can of of chips with with

880
00:43:43,558 --> 00:43:45,029
the with the drawing numbers on it.

881
00:43:44,075 --> 00:43:45,960
So was his was his calf terrible?

882
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:50,882
yeah, he was eliminated, he was high back
and so I understand,

883
00:43:50,882 --> 00:43:52,713
you know, the two sides to every story,

884
00:43:52,713 --> 00:43:54,864
you know, people are people are people and

885
00:43:55,112 --> 00:43:57,543
People are human and mistakes happen.

886
00:43:57,543 --> 00:44:01,114
Apparently, according to what Shad
explained publicly,

887
00:44:01,114 --> 00:44:04,546
was that by the time anyone realized the
error,

888
00:44:04,546 --> 00:44:07,527
the the the short ramp calves were a
hundred miles away.

889
00:44:07,527 --> 00:44:10,038
So I mean it's too bad from you know,

890
00:44:10,038 --> 00:44:11,908
nobody's going to disagree with,

891
00:44:11,908 --> 00:44:14,579
you know, everybody wanted the bet best
man to win.

892
00:44:14,579 --> 00:44:17,971
And and none of us is ever gonna know what
would have happened if

893
00:44:17,971 --> 00:44:19,271
the right calves had been there.

894
00:44:19,271 --> 00:44:22,812
But if you're Shad Mayfeld and you're
you're trying to pull a rabbit out of the
hat,

895
00:44:22,812 --> 00:44:24,273
Cody Old style, coming back.

896
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:26,392
halfway through the season, you know,

897
00:44:26,392 --> 00:44:30,696
spotting the field like that and you've
been on a roll and your high man back,

898
00:44:30,696 --> 00:44:34,840
~ everybody understands and and you know
can feel for instance.

899
00:44:33,769 --> 00:44:35,480
It's no different than Tim's deal.

900
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:41,026
~

901
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,192
It's no different than Tim's deal.

902
00:44:37,192 --> 00:44:38,713
But you know, now that I'm thinking about
it,

903
00:44:38,713 --> 00:44:41,055
I can see how the stock contractors and
the

904
00:44:41,055 --> 00:44:44,428
showrunners, they don't pay near the
attention to the cattle that

905
00:44:44,428 --> 00:44:49,312
the that the ropers do. They know them by
their twitch and their eye which one's

906
00:44:49,312 --> 00:44:51,374
the good one. And I can see them just

907
00:44:49,725 --> 00:44:51,150
Yeah.

908
00:44:51,374 --> 00:44:53,435
sorting off cattle, assuming that that

909
00:44:53,435 --> 00:44:58,179
was the good pin and s and sending the
others away not knowing the difference.

910
00:44:56,593 --> 00:44:57,593
Yeah,

911
00:44:58,179 --> 00:44:59,179
So I can I

912
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,803
can see, because earlier I said I don't
see how this happens actually.

913
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:03,950
Yeah,

914
00:45:03,197 --> 00:45:04,493
I can see how how it could happen.

915
00:45:06,372 --> 00:45:09,113
I yeah, it's it's very unfortunate.

916
00:45:09,113 --> 00:45:11,114
And and also for the tiny bit end,

917
00:45:11,114 --> 00:45:14,596
there were a couple things that that still
stand out to me about that week

918
00:45:14,596 --> 00:45:18,608
of Salt Lake and you know some other great
rodeos also.

919
00:45:18,608 --> 00:45:22,581
~ one was that on Saturday night,

920
00:45:22,581 --> 00:45:25,602
Utah,

921
00:45:25,602 --> 00:45:28,494
you know, Cash Rob won his second gold
medal at

922
00:45:28,634 --> 00:45:31,797
The days of 47, which which was you know
super cool in front of

923
00:45:31,797 --> 00:45:34,479
his home state crowd. And at the same time
in Lincoln,

924
00:45:34,479 --> 00:45:37,201
Nebraska, it also in steer wrestling,

925
00:45:37,201 --> 00:45:44,086
~ the Austin brothers, ~ Ace and Burke
went one-two in not only the steer
wrestling,

926
00:45:44,086 --> 00:45:46,618
but the all-around at the at the high
school finals.

927
00:45:46,618 --> 00:45:50,962
~ that was a really special night for ~
Utah.

928
00:45:50,962 --> 00:45:54,995
And so I I just worth worth a mention.

929
00:45:54,995 --> 00:45:57,157
Congratulations to the Utah Steer
Wrestlers.

930
00:45:58,247 --> 00:46:01,218
Utah has it going on in the steer ups
line,

931
00:46:01,218 --> 00:46:03,119
which you know everybody's like,

932
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,690
why? But but also this year, you know,

933
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:10,892
Cash's little brother Cruz is the national
shoot dogging junior high champ.

934
00:46:10,892 --> 00:46:15,054
~ so there's a lot brewing there.

935
00:46:15,054 --> 00:46:16,625
But that was a very special night.

936
00:46:16,625 --> 00:46:18,966
And in the same 24-hour period,

937
00:46:18,966 --> 00:46:24,168
there was something that happened that
that I think ~ people really related

938
00:46:24,168 --> 00:46:27,339
to just as you know on the human interest
side side of rodeo.

939
00:46:27,791 --> 00:46:34,032
That what was it Friday night ~ before the
rodeo,

940
00:46:34,032 --> 00:46:37,383
I was out in your parking lot in Salt Lake
City and talked for a minute

941
00:46:37,383 --> 00:46:41,314
to Derrick Begay and Colter Todd and and
they were pretty,

942
00:46:41,314 --> 00:46:44,235
you know, like sad. And those guys don't
say much ever.

943
00:46:44,235 --> 00:46:48,676
But you know, things hadn't been really
rolling,

944
00:46:48,676 --> 00:46:51,867
but the but the sad part was their dad
hearts being,

945
00:46:51,867 --> 00:46:55,308
you know, drawn away from the rodeo trail.

946
00:46:55,308 --> 00:46:57,218
And and to their credit,

947
00:46:57,592 --> 00:46:59,162
They sucked it up, they roped,

948
00:46:59,162 --> 00:47:04,144
they were four or five that night in the
perf on their second steer at Salt Lake.

949
00:47:04,144 --> 00:47:07,804
And then they went to, you know,

950
00:47:07,804 --> 00:47:10,945
head for the all, you know, the all-night
drive,

951
00:47:10,945 --> 00:47:14,906
and they made it four blocks away from the
the rodeo grounds there Salt Lake City

952
00:47:14,906 --> 00:47:15,906
and they looked at each other.

953
00:47:15,816 --> 00:47:18,007
They're best friends besides being roping
partners,

954
00:47:18,007 --> 00:47:23,158
and they're like, No. And they turned
around and they went back

955
00:47:23,158 --> 00:47:26,622
to the rodeo grounds, and Colter flew out
the next morning to.

956
00:47:27,213 --> 00:47:33,348
~ to Lincoln to watch ~ his boys Traven
and Colter Lee rope in

957
00:47:33,348 --> 00:47:35,590
the short run together. They were third
high call.

958
00:47:35,590 --> 00:47:38,182
They ended up winning it. He got to be
there for that.

959
00:47:38,182 --> 00:47:40,914
they didn't make it to Deadwood,

960
00:47:40,914 --> 00:47:42,365
but he got to be there for that.

961
00:47:42,365 --> 00:47:47,449
And and by the same token, ~ Begay flew
home and was there Monday morning

962
00:47:47,493 --> 00:47:50,512
~ for his daughter Brindle's seventh
birthday.

963
00:47:50,512 --> 00:47:55,015
And so that that's cool.

964
00:47:55,015 --> 00:47:56,015
I mean

965
00:47:55,381 --> 00:47:56,381
That's

966
00:47:55,682 --> 00:47:57,138
that's the real deal.

967
00:47:55,777 --> 00:47:57,158
When when people look at those

968
00:47:57,158 --> 00:48:00,581
guys and hang on their every word because
they don't say very many words

969
00:48:01,222 --> 00:48:03,904
and think that they're so cool and you
know,

970
00:48:03,904 --> 00:48:06,597
look at Coulter, he doesn't have any
patches on his shirt.

971
00:48:06,597 --> 00:48:10,220
Why? Because he's like, well, because this
isn't how I make my living.

972
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:13,313
You know, his heart is is home with his
family on the ranch.

973
00:48:13,313 --> 00:48:16,716
That's the way. But they're this is how
they are and who they

974
00:48:16,716 --> 00:48:20,710
are when nobody's looking. And I just
think pretty cool.

975
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:21,710
I mean, those guys.

976
00:48:20,991 --> 00:48:21,991
Super cool.

977
00:48:21,973 --> 00:48:24,276
If there is such a thing as gangster
cowboys,

978
00:48:24,276 --> 00:48:26,839
it'd be those two and they're gonna say
the least about it.

979
00:48:26,839 --> 00:48:27,948
So good for those guys.

980
00:48:27,579 --> 00:48:28,579
Well

981
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,042
i anybody that puts family first is number
one in my book.

982
00:48:32,042 --> 00:48:33,864
And it's hard because it's a balance.

983
00:48:33,572 --> 00:48:34,572
There's some house.

984
00:48:33,864 --> 00:48:34,864
You're trying to,

985
00:48:34,514 --> 00:48:38,407
you know, you're you're trying to reach
your goals and keep family first.

986
00:48:38,407 --> 00:48:40,929
So that's a that is a super cool story.

987
00:48:39,065 --> 00:48:40,065
I can see

988
00:48:40,929 --> 00:48:42,450
Super cool story.

989
00:48:43,351 --> 00:48:45,772
Well, let's we talked about Salt Lake,

990
00:48:45,772 --> 00:48:52,137
let's talk about Cheyenne. ~ we kind of we
kind of talked about it a little bit.

991
00:48:52,137 --> 00:48:54,659
I'll just start out with a something a
little bit lighthearted.

992
00:48:55,667 --> 00:48:57,669
I don't know what everybody else thought,

993
00:48:57,669 --> 00:49:02,753
but there were a lot of 90 point rides.

994
00:49:02,753 --> 00:49:05,915
I mean, a lot of 90 point rides.

995
00:49:05,915 --> 00:49:09,108
and you know,

996
00:49:09,108 --> 00:49:14,322
and I and I'm looking at our event and and
watching the rides to see.

997
00:49:10,143 --> 00:49:15,006
Well there's kind

998
00:49:14,322 --> 00:49:17,945
And so there's been some comments about
the judges at Cheyenne.

999
00:49:15,727 --> 00:49:16,727
of some

1000
00:49:16,387 --> 00:49:39,482
~ perfect ~

1001
00:49:17,945 --> 00:49:19,626
Of course, the judges come up everywhere.

1002
00:49:19,626 --> 00:49:23,690
We, we, we at our rodeo, I thought we had
a good sound set of judges.

1003
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:25,141
There was some variance there.

1004
00:49:25,429 --> 00:49:28,361
There was stuff I didn't agree with there
at our rodeo,

1005
00:49:28,361 --> 00:49:30,472
and that's normal. And I can deal with
that.

1006
00:49:30,472 --> 00:49:32,783
They're the judges. They saw it their way.

1007
00:49:32,783 --> 00:49:36,866
~ I what I haven't heard about Cheyenne,

1008
00:49:36,866 --> 00:49:40,328
~ and I did a little bit of texting to the
people,

1009
00:49:40,328 --> 00:49:42,449
and that is at the end of the day,

1010
00:49:42,449 --> 00:49:47,171
folks, back off. If if they inflated the
scores a little bit,

1011
00:49:47,171 --> 00:49:51,814
back off as long as the right guys took
home checks,

1012
00:49:51,814 --> 00:49:53,095
right?

1013
00:49:53,629 --> 00:49:54,629
And if the right guys

1014
00:49:54,569 --> 00:49:57,983
took home checks, then don't sweat it,

1015
00:49:57,983 --> 00:50:00,605
don't worry about it. That's my take on
that,

1016
00:50:00,341 --> 00:50:09,955
~

1017
00:50:00,605 --> 00:50:06,330
on Cheyenne. Did you in have you heard
anything about what what what sideline

1018
00:50:06,330 --> 00:50:07,931
reporting do you have from Cheyenne?

1019
00:50:09,955 --> 00:50:11,857
Well, I wasn't I wasn't there.

1020
00:50:11,857 --> 00:50:13,721
we all

1021
00:50:13,183 --> 00:50:14,484
Well, I mean, you but you don't

1022
00:50:14,484 --> 00:50:17,366
have to be there. You're kinda like Game
of Thrones,

1023
00:50:17,366 --> 00:50:18,366
right?

1024
00:50:17,567 --> 00:50:18,567
Funks.

1025
00:50:18,056 --> 00:50:21,429
If you you've got you've got all your
little you're the whisperer.

1026
00:50:20,477 --> 00:50:21,477
I'm

1027
00:50:21,429 --> 00:50:22,429
You've got

1028
00:50:22,049 --> 00:50:24,020
all your little spies everywhere.

1029
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:27,193
So don't give me this. ~ I wasn't there.

1030
00:50:27,193 --> 00:50:30,525
Don't give me that. You've got something
from Cheyenne.

1031
00:50:29,191 --> 00:50:30,442
Well Okay.

1032
00:50:30,903 --> 00:50:35,106
I'll admit this. Part of why I wasn't
there is because there was no Slack.

1033
00:50:35,106 --> 00:50:39,050
Okay. Sometimes we have to agree to
disagree.

1034
00:50:37,707 --> 00:50:42,514
~ so see Cheyenne, that's what it feels
like to get the stiletto.

1035
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:40,441
So

1036
00:50:42,514 --> 00:50:43,514
Okay,

1037
00:50:42,844 --> 00:50:43,844
go ahead.

1038
00:50:44,592 --> 00:50:49,975
Anyway, I you know there's a lot of ~ it
it felt

1039
00:50:49,975 --> 00:50:54,297
on Sundays like they couldn't buy a break.

1040
00:50:54,297 --> 00:50:59,700
I I'm just gonna say most you know most of
my cowboy friends

1041
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:02,632
do not do not appreciate the new format.

1042
00:51:02,632 --> 00:51:07,584
Some of them, including event director ~
Shane Hanshee,

1043
00:51:07,584 --> 00:51:10,606
has publicly said it will change.

1044
00:51:10,606 --> 00:51:13,487
Watch. That's that's a direct quote.

1045
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,271
So I don't know because I haven't been in
those boardrooms.

1046
00:51:17,271 --> 00:51:19,882
I don't know what the future holds there.

1047
00:51:19,882 --> 00:51:23,803
~ I did feel like there were some things
that happened.

1048
00:51:23,803 --> 00:51:29,526
~ there was pure chaos and that we could
all see and hear from afar.

1049
00:51:29,526 --> 00:51:33,447
And then ~ my lord, then you know,

1050
00:51:33,447 --> 00:51:38,739
it goes viral, ~ a barrel horse flat slap
in the ground,

1051
00:51:38,739 --> 00:51:43,171
right? And and they there was some tough
stuff that happened.

1052
00:51:43,171 --> 00:51:44,171
~

1053
00:51:46,375 --> 00:51:47,375
So I don't

1054
00:51:46,409 --> 00:51:47,580
Yeah, well

1055
00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:54,404
and and I I you know, you can't always so
I will

1056
00:51:54,425 --> 00:52:00,148
say that Cheyenne actually in the last
couple years they've been slow moving.

1057
00:52:00,148 --> 00:52:01,148
This year more.

1058
00:52:00,867 --> 00:52:01,867
Yeah.

1059
00:52:02,430 --> 00:52:05,292
They paid way more attention to their
ground because I know

1060
00:52:04,145 --> 00:52:05,145
Yeah, just for one.

1061
00:52:05,292 --> 00:52:06,803
who they had in there in advance.

1062
00:52:06,803 --> 00:52:10,375
I know what they were doing. you know,

1063
00:52:10,375 --> 00:52:15,859
when you watch something, th I I guess
they found they found a hard pan spot
right.

1064
00:52:16,009 --> 00:52:19,290
There in that giant arena. You know,

1065
00:52:19,290 --> 00:52:21,240
there's always some things to make it
better.

1066
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:26,022
~ they are paying attention to their
ground and they want to get it right.

1067
00:52:26,022 --> 00:52:29,753
And I think that's a move in the right
direction instead of instead of it

1068
00:52:29,753 --> 00:52:32,244
is what it is, learn how to ride on it.

1069
00:52:32,244 --> 00:52:38,635
I don't believe in that. and ~ I know for
a fact that some of our people were

1070
00:52:38,635 --> 00:52:43,217
on the phone with Cheyenne and that there
was efforts to make sure that that

1071
00:52:43,217 --> 00:52:44,217
was corrected. So

1072
00:52:44,457 --> 00:52:47,508
You know, I I agree that it's never good
when a horse goes down.

1073
00:52:47,508 --> 00:52:51,120
But there's you can watch, I watch it at
ours,

1074
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,981
you can watch, you know, the real the real
pros.

1075
00:52:54,981 --> 00:52:57,072
Here's the deal. When I see some of the
really,

1076
00:52:57,072 --> 00:53:00,954
really aces, the jockeys, have trouble,

1077
00:53:00,954 --> 00:53:04,835
right? Especially after a run or two and
they know what they're dealing with,

1078
00:53:04,835 --> 00:53:08,077
then I'm then I'm like, shame on,

1079
00:53:08,077 --> 00:53:11,138
right? Otherwise, it needs to be fixed.

1080
00:53:11,138 --> 00:53:14,139
So that's my little two cents on that.

1081
00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:14,501
Well, there was there

1082
00:53:14,501 --> 00:53:19,232
there was one day when ~ when it you know
the wheels really fell off when

1083
00:53:19,592 --> 00:53:22,093
you know everything fell to pieces and
then

1084
00:53:22,693 --> 00:53:26,104
The first person after the drag was was
Brittany Posey Tanazi,

1085
00:53:26,104 --> 00:53:28,533
multiple time world champion, and she said
no.

1086
00:53:28,533 --> 00:53:30,585
And the judges, to their credit,

1087
00:53:30,585 --> 00:53:34,056
said okay. ~ and they they stopped it.

1088
00:53:34,056 --> 00:53:36,537
And then they gave everybody the option,

1089
00:53:36,537 --> 00:53:38,816
just so everybody knows, if you'd already
run,

1090
00:53:38,816 --> 00:53:41,588
you had the option of running the next
morning at eight AM,

1091
00:53:41,588 --> 00:53:45,059
I think it was. And the people who hadn't
run yet had the option of

1092
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:48,440
of running the next morning. I don't know
how many people chose that.

1093
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,220
I know the horses that fell. I've

1094
00:53:50,906 --> 00:53:54,269
feel like they were sore and they so they
didn't they didn't do it,

1095
00:53:54,269 --> 00:53:57,536
you know, kinda like Tim O'Connell didn't
take his rewrite because he wanted

1096
00:53:57,536 --> 00:53:59,643
to make sure he didn't have a broken back
before,

1097
00:53:59,643 --> 00:54:03,256
you know, which was really wise in the
heat of the moment.

1098
00:54:03,256 --> 00:54:06,419
But ~ anyway, s again,

1099
00:54:06,419 --> 00:54:11,193
neither one of us was there. I would
because I think one of the harsh
criticisms

1100
00:54:11,193 --> 00:54:15,356
I would love not here to neither of us is
here to attack specific rodeos

1101
00:54:15,356 --> 00:54:19,950
or specific people, but but I think one of
the one of those ~ big

1102
00:54:20,110 --> 00:54:23,523
Ticket items with my cowboy friends there.

1103
00:54:23,523 --> 00:54:26,846
And I would love, you know, for you to
address it from your point of view,

1104
00:54:26,846 --> 00:54:29,948
producing a rodeo. Let's talk about top
loading payoffs.

1105
00:54:29,948 --> 00:54:35,273
Because one of the big criticisms that
that people said to me was,

1106
00:54:35,273 --> 00:54:38,936
I'm not gonna, you know, a lot of the
bullers didn't go and they said,

1107
00:54:38,936 --> 00:54:43,960
I'm not gonna run one over a score like
that for was it two

1108
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,143
or three thousand dollars? ~ so

1109
00:54:47,563 --> 00:54:51,167
Let's talk just in general about top
letting payoffs and your feeling about
that.

1110
00:54:52,767 --> 00:54:53,767
Well

1111
00:54:55,955 --> 00:55:02,439
~ so you want you want your rodeo to have
an impact,

1112
00:55:02,439 --> 00:55:06,621
right? And so the the people that win your
rodeos,

1113
00:55:06,621 --> 00:55:11,284
you want them to be able to have
significant improvement in the standings.

1114
00:55:11,284 --> 00:55:14,045
~ I think it's a balancing act,

1115
00:55:14,045 --> 00:55:20,459
Kendra. I think in a situation in a
situation with ~ in

1116
00:55:20,459 --> 00:55:23,251
in in the case of particularly maybe
Cheyenne or

1117
00:55:22,179 --> 00:55:23,248
That's

1118
00:55:23,251 --> 00:55:24,251
Salinas.

1119
00:55:24,895 --> 00:55:30,180
dribbling it down. I'm still I'm s I'm
still ingrained,

1120
00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:42,396
~

1121
00:55:30,180 --> 00:55:32,042
and maybe it's the old man in me,

1122
00:55:32,042 --> 00:55:37,007
that you just don't give blue ribbons
forty feet down,

1123
00:55:37,007 --> 00:55:42,593
right? If you give every kid on the peewee
team a blue ribbon and tell they do good,

1124
00:55:42,396 --> 00:55:45,037
but let me just interrupt you for a try.

1125
00:55:42,593 --> 00:55:44,765
that they're not gonna get better.

1126
00:55:45,457 --> 00:55:49,774
Let me interrupt you for a moment because
I saw the three feet tall trophies

1127
00:55:49,774 --> 00:55:52,720
you gave to every muttonbuster in Salt
Lake City skip.

1128
00:55:52,873 --> 00:55:55,965
That's that's not that's not the analogy
I'm making.

1129
00:55:55,965 --> 00:55:56,965
I'm just

1130
00:55:56,395 --> 00:56:02,069
saying that that sometimes

1131
00:56:02,169 --> 00:56:06,972
not winning makes you better. Sometimes
not winning makes you go home,

1132
00:56:06,972 --> 00:56:08,814
and maybe you need to go home.

1133
00:56:08,814 --> 00:56:13,897
listen, I there's there's probably a good
argument both ways,

1134
00:56:13,897 --> 00:56:16,859
spreading the money out and top loading
it.

1135
00:56:15,073 --> 00:56:21,474
But I'm not pretty sure.

1136
00:56:16,859 --> 00:56:22,333
~ and I I'm an advocate of impactful prize
money.

1137
00:56:21,474 --> 00:56:44,560
~

1138
00:56:22,909 --> 00:56:28,751
Right. I'm not an advocate of taking
seventy thousand dollars and dividing

1139
00:56:28,751 --> 00:56:30,221
it up seven hundred ways. Now,

1140
00:56:30,221 --> 00:56:32,302
in particular at our at our rodeo,

1141
00:56:32,302 --> 00:56:37,433
we we shoved some more money into those
earlier rounds intentionally when

1142
00:56:37,433 --> 00:56:42,575
we added more money, but I kept my base
money up there where I wanted it,

1143
00:56:42,575 --> 00:56:46,046
right? The the top three and we pay all
eight.

1144
00:56:46,046 --> 00:56:49,297
If you come into our ours, all eight get a
check.

1145
00:56:49,823 --> 00:56:53,237
So you're gonna get a check when you when
you come into our rodeo.

1146
00:56:53,237 --> 00:56:57,447
and with the exception of ground money,

1147
00:56:56,467 --> 00:56:59,839
Okay,

1148
00:56:57,447 --> 00:56:59,625
you know, some different ground money
rules.

1149
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:06,212
and I would love to to interrupt to say
that the three medalists so people know
gold

1150
00:57:06,212 --> 00:57:07,807
medal came with eighteen grand,

1151
00:57:07,807 --> 00:57:10,124
a silver medal came with thirteen grand,

1152
00:57:10,124 --> 00:57:11,895
and a bronze medal came with eight grand.

1153
00:57:11,895 --> 00:57:13,706
That's that's very impressive.

1154
00:57:15,231 --> 00:57:19,052
Well, but it's not, you know, we again we
we in the short go we paid eight holes

1155
00:57:19,052 --> 00:57:22,022
down. I'm I'm just saying I I do
understand.

1156
00:57:22,022 --> 00:57:25,654
I I understand your point of view and I
understand the committees.

1157
00:57:25,654 --> 00:57:28,595
I don't think that I have a magic bullet
for this.

1158
00:57:28,595 --> 00:57:33,456
I think that if the if there's more people
playing and the conditions are harder,

1159
00:57:33,456 --> 00:57:36,677
you know, I think in a progressive where
you're limiting it,

1160
00:57:36,677 --> 00:57:39,498
I think there's probably an argument for
top

1161
00:57:38,547 --> 00:57:39,547
Right.

1162
00:57:39,598 --> 00:57:42,859
top loading because that's the the best
against the best.

1163
00:57:43,465 --> 00:57:45,356
I think if you open that up more,

1164
00:57:45,356 --> 00:57:50,579
that you should give more people
opportunities to win money because it's
harder

1165
00:57:48,253 --> 00:57:49,253
Only under

1166
00:57:50,579 --> 00:57:52,020
to get there, you know,

1167
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:53,641
in that particular environment.

1168
00:57:53,641 --> 00:57:58,904
So I don't I don't have a I don't have a
great I don't have a great

1169
00:57:59,104 --> 00:58:02,807
~ stance on this. I I see the reason for
top-loading it.

1170
00:58:00,673 --> 00:58:01,673
That's

1171
00:58:01,213 --> 00:58:24,871
~

1172
00:58:02,807 --> 00:58:05,588
I see you want your prize money to be
impactful,

1173
00:58:05,588 --> 00:58:07,059
right? And you could admit that.

1174
00:58:07,059 --> 00:58:09,931
You want to see that someone wins your
rodeo.

1175
00:58:10,343 --> 00:58:12,535
it significantly helps them in the
standings.

1176
00:58:12,535 --> 00:58:15,988
I appreciate that. I appreciate the people
that when,

1177
00:58:15,988 --> 00:58:18,399
you know, are sitting I appreciate what
you're saying.

1178
00:58:18,399 --> 00:58:23,129
You're sitting eighth hole and you barely
cover your fuel and getting there.

1179
00:58:23,129 --> 00:58:25,537
I I appreciate that too. And I I

1180
00:58:24,871 --> 00:58:25,871
right.

1181
00:58:25,537 --> 00:58:29,842
don't know that I have a a really good
argument for either.

1182
00:58:29,842 --> 00:58:31,522
I I see both sides of the story,

1183
00:58:31,403 --> 00:58:32,513
So let's just keep the

1184
00:58:31,522 --> 00:58:32,522
if that makes sense.

1185
00:58:32,513 --> 00:58:36,507
conversation open. Let's move on to
another ~ thing that I thought was
interesting.

1186
00:58:36,507 --> 00:58:38,829
Let's talk about buckorder and the rough
stock.

1187
00:58:38,829 --> 00:58:39,910
Because

1188
00:58:39,421 --> 00:58:40,421
Yeah.

1189
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:45,955
you explain who decides it it and you
explain to

1190
00:58:45,955 --> 00:58:51,960
me how the deck is not stacked in certain
favors to sell the performance.

1191
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:52,960
Explain that.

1192
00:58:52,295 --> 00:58:53,515
No. Okay.

1193
00:58:53,515 --> 00:58:58,647
Well, so yes, stock contractors in our
case in our rodeo.

1194
00:58:58,321 --> 00:59:00,370
Yeah, we've just got a machine.

1195
00:58:58,647 --> 00:59:00,658
So there's a couple things that you have
to understand

1196
00:59:00,978 --> 00:59:04,150
from a production standpoint. You're our
goals,

1197
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:07,181
we can't lose sight of the fact that the
people in the stands,

1198
00:59:07,181 --> 00:59:13,003
literally, the people that buy the tickets
are what brings the tide into

1199
00:59:13,003 --> 00:59:17,455
the bay that lifts all ships. Because
sponsors don't come if there's not fans.

1200
00:59:16,450 --> 00:59:18,669
We can have a number of versions of the
next one.

1201
00:59:17,455 --> 00:59:19,285
We've had this conversation. So you

1202
00:59:19,285 --> 00:59:20,546
need to package this.

1203
00:59:20,936 --> 00:59:23,267
So that the fans have the best experience

1204
00:59:21,726 --> 00:59:22,772
But it's a bit.

1205
00:59:23,907 --> 00:59:28,069
while balancing competition. So in

1206
00:59:26,728 --> 00:59:28,108
~

1207
00:59:28,229 --> 00:59:31,590
in the case when I was doing the PBR and
with our rodeo,

1208
00:59:31,108 --> 00:59:32,816
Right.

1209
00:59:31,590 --> 00:59:34,351
it's really simple. We really buck them,

1210
00:59:34,351 --> 00:59:35,372
we

1211
00:59:35,372 --> 00:59:40,574
try to buck them primarily in the right
order that they're loaded,

1212
00:59:40,574 --> 00:59:44,426
primarily, not exclusively. And you do
want to,

1213
00:59:44,426 --> 00:59:48,797
there's nothing wrong with putting really
good matchups.

1214
00:59:48,584 --> 01:00:18,219
~

1215
00:59:48,797 --> 00:59:50,428
I don't think there's any wrong wrong with
it.

1216
00:59:51,238 --> 00:59:52,238
At the

1217
00:59:51,588 --> 00:59:55,009
end. Now, an athlete's side is going to
be,

1218
00:59:55,009 --> 00:59:56,659
well, the first guy never wins.

1219
00:59:56,659 --> 00:59:59,450
Well, that has nothing to do, Kendra,

1220
00:59:59,450 --> 01:00:02,691
with us as producers or stock contractors
or show.

1221
01:00:02,691 --> 01:00:04,722
You know what that is? That's bad judging.

1222
01:00:04,722 --> 01:00:09,683
Because the way I look at it, the first
guy should have if the judges

1223
01:00:09,683 --> 01:00:12,494
are tuned in and they know what they're
doing,

1224
01:00:12,494 --> 01:00:17,685
there's no reason that the first guy is
setting some kind of bar for the rest

1225
01:00:17,685 --> 01:00:20,066
of the performance. That's just amateur
judging,

1226
01:00:20,066 --> 01:00:21,066
frankly.

1227
01:00:21,298 --> 01:00:25,733
And we're professionals and I have to
assume that the four judges I have there
will

1228
01:00:25,733 --> 01:00:29,588
give the first guy what he deserves and he
should win.

1229
01:00:29,588 --> 01:00:31,350
Right? And if

1230
01:00:31,536 --> 01:00:32,536
okay,

1231
01:00:32,126 --> 01:00:34,017
let's take a specific example.

1232
01:00:34,017 --> 01:00:37,980
We're in Utah. Correct me if I'm wrong.

1233
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:41,052
We're in Utah.

1234
01:00:41,052 --> 01:00:46,256
Was it intentional that Reiner and Statler
Wright went last in one perf?

1235
01:00:48,274 --> 01:00:49,274
Mm.

1236
01:00:51,807 --> 01:00:56,033
I'm sure there was I'm sure I'm sure there
was discussions on they would

1237
01:00:56,033 --> 01:00:58,777
be the right guys to end the round in.

1238
01:00:58,777 --> 01:01:01,842
But so what? Well,

1239
01:00:59,482 --> 01:01:04,106
The right guides? ~

1240
01:01:01,842 --> 01:01:04,406
I mean they're the blue shirts and you're
in Utah,

1241
01:01:04,406 --> 01:01:07,781
but what what difference does that make if
the judging's correct?

1242
01:01:06,348 --> 01:01:07,639
And listen, listen.

1243
01:01:08,419 --> 01:01:10,830
Okay, fair. That is absolutely true.

1244
01:01:10,830 --> 01:01:14,361
And and I'm a fan of the of the blue
shirts.

1245
01:01:14,361 --> 01:01:16,492
So so don't look at me like that.

1246
01:01:16,492 --> 01:01:18,563
But I'm just saying in general,

1247
01:01:18,563 --> 01:01:23,596
if you're in Utah and also there's there's
a lot all

1248
01:01:23,596 --> 01:01:27,357
the time online about I didn't know so

1249
01:01:27,357 --> 01:01:33,650
and so announcer was was also a judge or
whatever.

1250
01:01:34,106 --> 01:01:37,668
How much pressure is there on the
announcers to again sell,

1251
01:01:37,668 --> 01:01:43,710
you know, do the how much does it does the
announcer want,

1252
01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:45,601
and I'm not talking about Salt Lake City
here,

1253
01:01:45,601 --> 01:01:48,742
I'm talking about another rodeo that
happened in the last week that's just
getting

1254
01:01:48,742 --> 01:01:52,514
pummeled over this. How much pressure is
there on the announcer to

1255
01:01:52,614 --> 01:01:58,336
to in turn pressure the judges to sell it
and have the last guy or two knock

1256
01:01:58,336 --> 01:01:59,777
it out of the park with the crowd?

1257
01:01:59,799 --> 01:02:04,171
No, I don't think any so from an
announcer's perspective,

1258
01:02:02,927 --> 01:02:04,479
Well that's which yeah.

1259
01:02:04,171 --> 01:02:05,171
and these

1260
01:02:04,521 --> 01:02:07,001
announcers can send us some feedback if
they want.

1261
01:02:07,001 --> 01:02:12,683
Their their job is to take every diamond
in the field,

1262
01:02:12,683 --> 01:02:15,804
right? And make sure that it's recognized,

1263
01:02:15,804 --> 01:02:18,044
right? To sell everything you have to
sell.

1264
01:02:18,044 --> 01:02:23,036
Their job is also to take the underdogs
and set up the story and along with

1265
01:02:23,036 --> 01:02:25,326
the music, right? That this underdog could
win.

1266
01:02:25,326 --> 01:02:27,927
Now, when you when you have the rights at
the end.

1267
01:02:28,371 --> 01:02:30,472
Right. And and you know, you know,

1268
01:02:30,472 --> 01:02:34,794
you've got 10,000 people in the stands
that when you say a right's name,

1269
01:02:34,794 --> 01:02:36,434
they're gonna lose their cookies.

1270
01:02:36,434 --> 01:02:38,335
Yeah, they're gonna take advantage of it.

1271
01:02:38,335 --> 01:02:39,636
That's what they're paid to do.

1272
01:02:39,636 --> 01:02:43,187
They're paid to take advantage and it
makes them look good,

1273
01:02:43,187 --> 01:02:46,228
right? If the announcer's standing there
and he drops a line and

1274
01:02:46,228 --> 01:02:49,685
the crowd goes wild, I look over at my
guys and wink at them.

1275
01:02:49,685 --> 01:02:52,641
Good job. That's their job. Now,

1276
01:02:52,641 --> 01:02:57,843
again, I go back to the same thing that
the right guy should win.

1277
01:02:58,121 --> 01:02:59,972
That's the competition. By the way,

1278
01:02:59,972 --> 01:03:05,695
that's what the PRCA should be focusing on
is that the right guys get to

1279
01:03:00,854 --> 01:03:01,854
Okay,

1280
01:03:05,695 --> 01:03:08,747
the NFR and the right guy gets a good
buckle.

1281
01:03:08,747 --> 01:03:10,678
And you know what that's directly tied to?

1282
01:03:10,678 --> 01:03:12,739
That's directly tied to the judging.

1283
01:03:12,739 --> 01:03:16,522
Like it directly tied, like there's no
room,

1284
01:03:16,522 --> 01:03:22,125
zero room in our sport for non-qualified
judges.

1285
01:03:22,685 --> 01:03:25,887
Bring it on. Anybody, bring on your
comments.

1286
01:03:26,133 --> 01:03:28,028
Bring on everything. There's no room for
that.

1287
01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:28,402
Yeah. I don't think anybody

1288
01:03:28,402 --> 01:03:32,535
can go against you, but but the two words
I would have for you that just kind

1289
01:03:32,535 --> 01:03:35,798
of cover it all for me are competitive
integrity.

1290
01:03:35,798 --> 01:03:40,062
And and if you're not, if if you have the

1291
01:03:40,062 --> 01:03:44,376
two gunslingers last in front of their
hometown crowd,

1292
01:03:44,376 --> 01:03:48,850
if you're the third guy out because the
you're saying the stock contractor.

1293
01:03:49,698 --> 01:03:53,269
Did as a stock contractor in case but the
producers

1294
01:03:51,241 --> 01:03:53,422
Well, w there's all there's there's all

1295
01:03:53,422 --> 01:03:55,154
of us all of us are in control of that.

1296
01:03:55,154 --> 01:03:58,116
And we can set the buck order however we
want to set the buck order.

1297
01:03:58,116 --> 01:04:03,789
And that's fine. And I we'll just
respectfully disagree that

1298
01:04:03,789 --> 01:04:08,623
by doing that somehow you're changing the
competitive advantage.

1299
01:04:08,623 --> 01:04:12,045
~ because again, I sorry,

1300
01:04:12,045 --> 01:04:17,208
but if a rookie goes out first and he
rides a twenty-three pointer

1301
01:04:17,369 --> 01:04:19,350
and he sticks iron in his neck all the

1302
01:04:17,542 --> 01:04:18,542
Yeah,

1303
01:04:19,350 --> 01:04:20,841
way, he should win.

1304
01:04:21,097 --> 01:04:24,618
And that's a better story for the rodeo to
come back and say the rookie beat

1305
01:04:24,618 --> 01:04:27,429
the blue shirts at the first ride of the
night.

1306
01:04:27,429 --> 01:04:31,210
So I'm not gonna travel down that road
because I think it's all a bunch

1307
01:04:31,058 --> 01:04:32,058
It's not allowed to have

1308
01:04:31,210 --> 01:04:33,530
of baloney if the judging's correct.

1309
01:04:32,047 --> 01:04:33,047
a

1310
01:04:33,530 --> 01:04:37,211
Sorry. And this whole, ~ the announcers,

1311
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:48,329
lot of breakfast.

1312
01:04:37,211 --> 01:04:42,423
~ the announcers blessed him and now he
won.

1313
01:04:42,423 --> 01:04:45,174
The announcers are judge. ~ go home.

1314
01:04:45,174 --> 01:04:48,284
Get good judges. The judges aren't
listening to that.

1315
01:04:48,284 --> 01:04:49,915
Or if they are, they shouldn't be.

1316
01:04:50,557 --> 01:04:53,955
Right? Come on, get a grip. No,

1317
01:04:53,955 --> 01:04:57,262
I I respectfully disagree with you.

1318
01:04:57,262 --> 01:05:00,851
Go out there and win. Now the problem

1319
01:05:00,191 --> 01:05:01,191
You you

1320
01:05:00,872 --> 01:05:04,971
you Yeah, but you're you're saying you
respectfully disagree with me.

1321
01:05:04,971 --> 01:05:07,367
I didn't throw my opinion out there.

1322
01:05:07,209 --> 01:05:09,641
Yes, you did. You said, hold on.

1323
01:05:07,367 --> 01:05:10,634
I asked questions I asked questions and no

1324
01:05:09,641 --> 01:05:10,902
You didn't you

1325
01:05:10,902 --> 01:05:15,505
slyly said, Don't you think it's a
competitive advantage that those

1326
01:05:15,505 --> 01:05:18,488
two guys from Salt Lake City go last?

1327
01:05:18,488 --> 01:05:20,299
You might not have directly said it,

1328
01:05:20,299 --> 01:05:22,911
but I know where you're going with this
and I just don't agree.

1329
01:05:22,206 --> 01:05:23,206
If my

1330
01:05:23,019 --> 01:05:25,869
hey, if my questions offend you,

1331
01:05:25,869 --> 01:05:27,223
that's on you.

1332
01:05:27,975 --> 01:05:30,221
I'm not offended. We're debating.

1333
01:05:30,221 --> 01:05:31,377
We're debating it.

1334
01:05:30,664 --> 01:05:31,664
Well you're

1335
01:05:31,565 --> 01:05:33,687
you're you might not be offended,

1336
01:05:33,687 --> 01:05:36,570
but you're ~ what's that word?

1337
01:05:36,393 --> 01:05:40,525
Defensive? Defensive? I'm not no,

1338
01:05:36,570 --> 01:05:42,857
You're defensive as hell. Why does it get
your blood pressure

1339
01:05:40,525 --> 01:05:44,907
no, I'm state ~ No no no no no no no.

1340
01:05:42,857 --> 01:05:45,660
up if if my questions are so out of line?

1341
01:05:44,907 --> 01:05:45,907
It

1342
01:05:45,927 --> 01:05:52,699
here's the deal. I it because I think I
think that everybody

1343
01:05:52,699 --> 01:05:59,313
that nods their head should have I guess
I'm irritated with the fact that some

1344
01:05:59,313 --> 01:06:02,994
of this stuff gets gets shadows on it
because

1345
01:06:02,185 --> 01:06:03,185
Mm-hmm.

1346
01:06:03,495 --> 01:06:04,615
the judges don't

1347
01:06:05,013 --> 01:06:07,607
do what the judges should do. Right.

1348
01:06:07,453 --> 01:06:08,453
I'm sorry, okay.

1349
01:06:07,607 --> 01:06:08,607
And

1350
01:06:08,008 --> 01:06:11,312
and and I'm not, no, I'm honestly not
defensive.

1351
01:06:11,312 --> 01:06:13,055
I mean, at the end of the day,

1352
01:06:11,369 --> 01:06:12,369
That's it.

1353
01:06:13,055 --> 01:06:17,792
as a producer, do I want, do I want to put
someone out last that I know

1354
01:06:17,792 --> 01:06:18,813
is not going to ride?

1355
01:06:18,813 --> 01:06:21,457
No. No, I don't.

1356
01:06:21,287 --> 01:06:22,287
Okay,

1357
01:06:22,407 --> 01:06:27,147
okay, okay. Here's here's another let's go
one more example and then I'm

1358
01:06:27,147 --> 01:06:29,179
and then I won't bring up any more
examples here.

1359
01:06:29,179 --> 01:06:34,190
~ okay, there was a night in Salt Lake
City where it was like this is a dream.

1360
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:39,571
~ you got your your one two rookies and
your one three guys in the bull riding,

1361
01:06:39,571 --> 01:06:42,112
Noah Lee and Hayden Welsh were out.

1362
01:06:42,112 --> 01:06:46,063
They both bucked off and then two guys I
to tell you the truth,

1363
01:06:46,063 --> 01:06:50,094
don't remember who they were. Is there
anything done

1364
01:06:50,504 --> 01:06:56,747
Please just this is please enlighten me
also to put more writable bulls toward

1365
01:06:56,747 --> 01:06:59,653
the end, because that really is the cell
of your perf,

1366
01:06:59,653 --> 01:07:00,653
no?

1367
01:07:00,479 --> 01:07:03,031
I don't I don't think that was the case in
our case.

1368
01:07:03,031 --> 01:07:09,847
I think it was more chance ~ in the way
everything went down in corners and stuff.

1369
01:07:09,847 --> 01:07:13,220
~ I'm not saying that other rodeos and
stock contractors,

1370
01:07:13,220 --> 01:07:15,171
when stock contractors are pushing the
rodeos,

1371
01:07:15,171 --> 01:07:20,356
that they don't that they don't load them
with with more rideable bulls at the end.

1372
01:07:20,356 --> 01:07:24,469
But at the end of the day, when you've got
when you've got no elite,

1373
01:07:24,469 --> 01:07:28,693
you got these guys that you you believe
are gonna ride.

1374
01:07:29,055 --> 01:07:34,497
You can put them anywhere in a in a set of
eight bulls or in you know,

1375
01:07:34,497 --> 01:07:37,699
there was one day I think we had six bulls
because we had a couple turnouts,

1376
01:07:36,601 --> 01:07:41,365
It's simple because it's a problem.

1377
01:07:37,699 --> 01:07:42,221
which again, I just it I I don't
understand how you turn out a rodeo that

1378
01:07:41,365 --> 01:07:44,747
That's not a certain other shift.

1379
01:07:42,221 --> 01:07:45,522
has six hundred and something or seven
hundred and something thousand dollars
added

1380
01:07:44,747 --> 01:08:05,984
~

1381
01:07:45,522 --> 01:07:48,323
money. But you know, a visible injury I
get all this.

1382
01:07:48,323 --> 01:07:51,245
It just ~ so to answer your question,

1383
01:07:51,245 --> 01:07:53,746
I think there are rodeos that do that.

1384
01:07:53,746 --> 01:07:56,287
I can't say that that that's

1385
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:59,160
That's a bad policy, because of course,

1386
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:03,941
Kendra, there's nothing better than your
last bull rider rides.

1387
01:08:03,941 --> 01:08:07,032
If you watch me on my podium, the last guy
rides,

1388
01:08:06,216 --> 01:08:07,217
~ prepared.

1389
01:08:07,032 --> 01:08:10,233
I throw my hand up because it's exactly
what I want for my crowd,

1390
01:08:07,217 --> 01:08:22,016
~

1391
01:08:10,233 --> 01:08:11,853
because I'm fixing to turn the lights out.

1392
01:08:11,853 --> 01:08:13,464
I want that to be their last memory.

1393
01:08:13,464 --> 01:08:17,865
So I I get it. The question is is if it
the it would be,

1394
01:08:17,865 --> 01:08:21,446
I would need to be strongly considerate if
I thought that it was

1395
01:08:23,006 --> 01:08:25,597
if if it's a if it's a competitive if what
you said.

1396
01:08:24,188 --> 01:08:36,713
~

1397
01:08:26,085 --> 01:08:28,216
Is this a competitive advantage?

1398
01:08:28,216 --> 01:08:30,080
Like, does this give someone an advantage?

1399
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,883
If it does, that's wrong and that's on the
judges.

1400
01:08:32,883 --> 01:08:38,390
But mixing mixing it up to be the best for
the fans shouldn't be a problem,

1401
01:08:36,713 --> 01:08:43,375
Yeah,

1402
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:43,156
right? It shouldn't be a problem if we
have professional judging.

1403
01:08:43,156 --> 01:08:45,437
And I'm I'm gonna stay on that.

1404
01:08:43,375 --> 01:08:45,496
and so

1405
01:08:45,596 --> 01:08:50,418
you know, not to because we it feels like
the judgment comes up all the time

1406
01:08:50,438 --> 01:08:52,859
and for the ten thousandth time.

1407
01:08:53,847 --> 01:08:57,250
I I'm I'm back to like how I feel about
teachers.

1408
01:08:57,250 --> 01:09:03,826
We need to pay qualified judges
exponentially more

1409
01:09:03,826 --> 01:09:07,700
money. That's the answer. For me,

1410
01:09:06,801 --> 01:09:10,873
I agree. I agree. I agree. We had a whole
podcast on that.

1411
01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:10,202
that's the answer. And so there's no s
not,

1412
01:09:10,202 --> 01:09:14,366
you know, there's no reason to be that
advantage.

1413
01:09:10,873 --> 01:09:14,474
I agree. I I think these these major
rodeos

1414
01:09:14,474 --> 01:09:16,745
with major prize money, you know,

1415
01:09:16,745 --> 01:09:18,836
and I think they're doing the best they
can,

1416
01:09:18,836 --> 01:09:22,077
but I don't I I'm sorry. I don't think
it's good enough.

1417
01:09:22,077 --> 01:09:28,100
I I don't. I I don't think there's any
level of excuses when

1418
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:30,561
it comes to judging as far as association.

1419
01:09:28,802 --> 01:09:31,244
I skipped that should

1420
01:09:30,561 --> 01:09:31,771
I mean,

1421
01:09:31,771 --> 01:09:33,462
I understand the realities of it,

1422
01:09:33,462 --> 01:09:35,783
and I'm not na you know, I'm not saying

1423
01:09:36,135 --> 01:09:39,276
Any of these judges aren't trying their
best,

1424
01:09:39,276 --> 01:09:41,897
but their best may not be good enough.

1425
01:09:41,897 --> 01:09:45,197
You know, and that's a problem.

1426
01:09:45,197 --> 01:09:47,098
And I I still think it's a problem.

1427
01:09:45,536 --> 01:09:52,254
~

1428
01:09:47,098 --> 01:09:48,618
I think it's something, you know,

1429
01:09:48,618 --> 01:09:52,379
people are worried about entering and ~
we're gonna change this

1430
01:09:52,379 --> 01:09:53,379
and

1431
01:09:52,539 --> 01:09:53,539
it that well.

1432
01:09:53,150 --> 01:10:05,423
The draw, ~

1433
01:10:06,101 --> 01:10:08,195
A shoot gate, all these things,

1434
01:10:08,195 --> 01:10:11,483
you can't have the judges be a variable.

1435
01:10:11,483 --> 01:10:16,273
It's just it it let's move on.

1436
01:10:15,551 --> 01:10:16,982
Well, you

1437
01:10:16,273 --> 01:10:17,273
Let's move on.

1438
01:10:16,982 --> 01:10:19,672
and I you and I could go toe to toe all
day.

1439
01:10:19,672 --> 01:10:21,733
You, my friend, need to catch a plane.

1440
01:10:21,733 --> 01:10:22,733
I would just

1441
01:10:22,723 --> 01:10:26,215
There you threw something out as opinion ~
earlier,

1442
01:10:26,215 --> 01:10:31,378
and I'll just I'll just finish with one I
I I have eighteen thousand tidbits

1443
01:10:31,438 --> 01:10:36,121
up my sleeves from being out there at
these radios here lately.

1444
01:10:36,121 --> 01:10:38,292
But I thought it was really interesting.

1445
01:10:38,292 --> 01:10:41,604
You, you know, you you said something
about John Cripper's,

1446
01:10:41,604 --> 01:10:43,816
you know, the best board in the world,

1447
01:10:43,816 --> 01:10:45,467
and a lot of people feel that way.

1448
01:10:45,467 --> 01:10:48,869
But interesting when I asked Hayden Welsh.

1449
01:10:49,847 --> 01:10:52,862
So just out of curiosity, who do you think
is the best bull writer

1450
01:10:52,862 --> 01:10:54,385
in the world right now? You know what he
said?

1451
01:10:54,385 --> 01:10:57,851
Sage Kimsey. I thought that was
interesting.

1452
01:10:57,851 --> 01:11:00,867
That's what Hayden Walsh thinks.

1453
01:11:01,227 --> 01:11:04,807
Well, th there's there

1454
01:11:04,537 --> 01:11:05,537
Speaking

1455
01:11:04,877 --> 01:11:08,122
of people who truly want to go where no
man has gone before and pulled

1456
01:11:08,122 --> 01:11:11,557
up short of Donegade's record when he
surely would have gotten it or still

1457
01:11:11,557 --> 01:11:14,391
may at some point if he decides to go a
different route.

1458
01:11:14,391 --> 01:11:16,223
But I just thought that was really
interesting.

1459
01:11:16,223 --> 01:11:19,898
One of our brightest stars, his opinion is
Sage Kemsey's the best.

1460
01:11:19,861 --> 01:11:21,251
Well th because

1461
01:11:19,898 --> 01:11:21,280
I thought that was

1462
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:22,280
interesting.

1463
01:11:21,772 --> 01:11:26,113
well, but Sage is so it depends on what
what you're what you're using

1464
01:11:26,113 --> 01:11:27,493
for greatest bull rider

1465
01:11:26,410 --> 01:11:27,410
Thanks for

1466
01:11:27,493 --> 01:11:30,874
in the world, right? It's the same thing
as greatest basketball player

1467
01:11:30,874 --> 01:11:33,315
in the world as an MJ or LeBron.

1468
01:11:33,315 --> 01:11:35,765
It's w what are your qualifications for
that?

1469
01:11:35,765 --> 01:11:36,765
That

1470
01:11:36,014 --> 01:11:37,566
those aren't written down. Now,

1471
01:11:37,566 --> 01:11:40,857
is Sage Kimsey a mentor, a leader,

1472
01:11:40,857 --> 01:11:45,208
a a ~ technically and fundamentally f
unbelievably

1473
01:11:43,914 --> 01:11:44,914
Okay.

1474
01:11:45,208 --> 01:11:49,459
great bull rider? Yes. Has he has he not

1475
01:11:49,907 --> 01:11:52,469
With gold buckles proving how great he is,

1476
01:11:51,831 --> 01:11:52,831
X one.

1477
01:11:52,469 --> 01:11:55,030
and Krimber hasn't yet. I'm just for me,

1478
01:11:52,532 --> 01:12:17,245
~

1479
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:57,952
it's laying two guys side by side in the
moment.

1480
01:11:57,952 --> 01:12:02,455
Young Krimber with the reaction time
that's unbelievable,

1481
01:12:02,455 --> 01:12:06,858
with a whole list of injuries that Sage
doesn't have on his bedpost,

1482
01:12:06,858 --> 01:12:11,141
right? You put those two guys together now
on the same bull.

1483
01:12:11,141 --> 01:12:14,844
Poof, that's a tricky one too,

1484
01:12:14,844 --> 01:12:17,105
because Sage's experience comes in.

1485
01:12:17,386 --> 01:12:19,477
But I I just Krimber

1486
01:12:19,755 --> 01:12:21,797
Krimber's got, he's got the youth,

1487
01:12:21,797 --> 01:12:24,038
he's got the passion, he's got the drive,

1488
01:12:24,038 --> 01:12:30,303
right? ~ and Sage has got the experience
and a lot of injuries and

1489
01:12:30,303 --> 01:12:32,275
a little age on him. You know,

1490
01:12:32,275 --> 01:12:35,738
in the moment, Krimber,

1491
01:12:35,738 --> 01:12:40,171
this is my opinion. Krimber is the is the
best bull rider in the world,

1492
01:12:40,171 --> 01:12:44,415
in my opinion, today. Now, that doesn't
mean that I don't think that Noah can't

1493
01:12:44,415 --> 01:12:46,256
outride him one night anywhere.

1494
01:12:46,256 --> 01:12:49,437
That's ~ that's not it. I'm just from my
perspective.

1495
01:12:49,176 --> 01:12:50,176
Well

1496
01:12:49,931 --> 01:12:50,931
perspective.

1497
01:12:50,237 --> 01:12:51,237
Noah,

1498
01:12:50,957 --> 01:12:52,909
you know what? That was really interesting
too,

1499
01:12:52,909 --> 01:12:56,522
'cause cause Noah and Hayden are such
headliners right now,

1500
01:12:56,522 --> 01:13:01,487
and rightly so. And Noah got the shit beat
out of him in Salt Lake City

1501
01:13:01,343 --> 01:13:02,343
Yeah.

1502
01:13:01,667 --> 01:13:02,878
and turned right around

1503
01:13:02,878 --> 01:13:05,710
and went and kicked ass at Cheyenne the
next day with a broken nose.

1504
01:13:05,710 --> 01:13:09,474
So don't think he's not a tough old son of
a bitch.

1505
01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:09,982
He he did, you know. You know,

1506
01:13:09,982 --> 01:13:12,564
and it's it you can see the wear on these
guys.

1507
01:13:12,482 --> 01:13:13,482
this.

1508
01:13:12,844 --> 01:13:14,245
You can see the wear on Krimber.

1509
01:13:14,245 --> 01:13:16,687
You know, this getting on every day,

1510
01:13:16,687 --> 01:13:19,288
right, and traveling is a different game,

1511
01:13:19,288 --> 01:13:22,851
right? It's a different game. And that's
why I said,

1512
01:13:22,851 --> 01:13:26,994
heads up, heads up, Krimber, because he's
learning some stuff that he's gonna take

1513
01:13:26,994 --> 01:13:29,736
into the PBR teams that's gonna give him
an edge,

1514
01:13:29,736 --> 01:13:31,918
which by the way, Sage brought in there,

1515
01:13:31,918 --> 01:13:33,679
right? You know, I mean

1516
01:13:33,983 --> 01:13:35,564
There you these are things that are

1517
01:13:35,253 --> 01:13:36,253
Yeah.

1518
01:13:35,644 --> 01:13:40,328
that are ~ undeniable ~ advantages.

1519
01:13:40,328 --> 01:13:42,620
You know, go get in a rodeo truck,

1520
01:13:42,620 --> 01:13:44,442
go down the road, draw bulls. You know,

1521
01:13:44,442 --> 01:13:46,894
Krimber, you know, he's drawn into pins.

1522
01:13:46,894 --> 01:13:48,915
That's a whole different game for him.

1523
01:13:48,915 --> 01:13:51,798
You know, when they draw into a pin at the
PBR bowls,

1524
01:13:51,798 --> 01:13:56,441
you you you they're all there might be one
that only he can ride,

1525
01:13:56,441 --> 01:14:00,163
right? But they're you're not drawing some
no good rotten.

1526
01:14:00,163 --> 01:14:02,887
I mean, we had a couple bulls in our outs
that I was like,

1527
01:14:02,887 --> 01:14:03,887
yeah.

1528
01:14:03,583 --> 01:14:05,824
Now that wasn't their trips, but yuck,

1529
01:14:05,824 --> 01:14:07,906
they don't belong in this pin.

1530
01:14:07,906 --> 01:14:10,167
Now that wasn't their trips, and in
fairness,

1531
01:14:10,167 --> 01:14:13,119
you know, the Bull Riders looked at all of
them and you know,

1532
01:14:13,119 --> 01:14:15,571
we get contestants input on all the stock.

1533
01:14:15,571 --> 01:14:17,543
We have five different stock contractors.

1534
01:14:17,543 --> 01:14:18,883
We have Pete Carr there. You know,

1535
01:14:18,883 --> 01:14:22,076
Pete Carr could inevitably do our rodeo
with all his stuff,

1536
01:14:22,076 --> 01:14:24,017
a lot of his stuff set, right?

1537
01:14:24,017 --> 01:14:26,439
Because I want the best of everybody's.

1538
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,620
So back to Krimber, I, you know,

1539
01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:31,542
I I'm with, I'm with, I'm with you.

1540
01:14:31,542 --> 01:14:32,893
I mean, I I would think that

1541
01:14:33,331 --> 01:14:37,534
If I had to say, who should you look up to
today,

1542
01:14:37,534 --> 01:14:42,617
Hayden? Sage. Absolutely. Who should you
pattern yourself after?

1543
01:14:42,617 --> 01:14:48,011
Sage. Absolutely. Who's gonna ride the
same bull in and out with all

1544
01:14:48,011 --> 01:14:54,276
the things the same? Today, Krimber is
gonna probably ride something that Sage

1545
01:14:54,276 --> 01:14:56,167
may not. That's my opinion.

1546
01:14:56,755 --> 01:15:00,137
Here's here's what I'm gonna do as your as
your friend,

1547
01:15:00,137 --> 01:15:01,638
my red faced friend.

1548
01:15:02,293 --> 01:15:03,293
Am I red faced?

1549
01:15:03,459 --> 01:15:04,459
We both

1550
01:15:04,150 --> 01:15:06,061
need to live to fight another day,

1551
01:15:06,061 --> 01:15:07,242
and that starts with you.

1552
01:15:07,602 --> 01:15:09,616
Catching this plane and not missing it.

1553
01:15:09,616 --> 01:15:10,616
So I think

1554
01:15:09,851 --> 01:15:11,112
I'm good. I'm good.

1555
01:15:11,112 --> 01:15:15,015
I I wanna ~ there's a couple other little
things that I think are really that

1556
01:15:15,015 --> 01:15:19,629
I thought were interesting. So did you see
on social media the skydiver coming

1557
01:15:19,629 --> 01:15:21,351
in with the American flag at Folsom,

1558
01:15:21,351 --> 01:15:23,943
Colorado, and then coming to an abrupt
stop?

1559
01:15:23,943 --> 01:15:26,915
Did you see? Or Folsom California,

1560
01:15:24,690 --> 01:15:26,601
Folsom, Colorado or California?

1561
01:15:26,601 --> 01:15:28,753
No. I did not see it, but no.

1562
01:15:26,915 --> 01:15:28,997
California, California. Yeah,

1563
01:15:28,997 --> 01:15:30,718
I saw the video on it. my goodness,

1564
01:15:30,718 --> 01:15:33,130
because we do, we've done skydiving at our
deal.

1565
01:15:33,130 --> 01:15:34,371
It's so cool when it comes in.

1566
01:15:34,371 --> 01:15:37,064
But if you haven't seen that on social,

1567
01:15:37,064 --> 01:15:38,675
it's alarming at first.

1568
01:15:39,007 --> 01:15:43,319
Because it's da-da-da. And they have this
final approach where the flags coming

1569
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:45,090
in and everybody's getting ready to

1570
01:15:43,442 --> 01:15:44,442
Yes.

1571
01:15:45,090 --> 01:15:46,390
scream when they hit the dirt.

1572
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:50,892
And I mean a very abrupt stop.

1573
01:15:50,892 --> 01:15:56,514
And I I found out from Reno that the guy
is completely fine,

1574
01:15:56,514 --> 01:15:59,756
by the way, everybody, thanks to the Coors
pop-up tent.

1575
01:15:59,756 --> 01:16:03,827
So he evidently, when he hit the
clothesline wire or whatever,

1576
01:16:03,827 --> 01:16:08,039
he basically cantilevered down a hundred
miles an hour and hit a pop-up tent.

1577
01:16:08,371 --> 01:16:11,562
And is okay. So he's okay. So if you saw
that,

1578
01:16:11,562 --> 01:16:14,802
that guy's that guy's okay. I thought that
was you know,

1579
01:16:14,802 --> 01:16:17,095
and it's interesting because I almost
messed up.

1580
01:16:17,095 --> 01:16:22,367
We brought Sky Cam into Salt Lake City and
we always always traditionally have

1581
01:16:22,367 --> 01:16:24,288
skydivers, and it was about a month out
that I'm like,

1582
01:16:24,288 --> 01:16:27,059
I can't have skydivers and have Sky Cam
in.

1583
01:16:27,059 --> 01:16:29,860
And by the way, Stephen Wharton and the
Sky Cam crew,

1584
01:16:29,860 --> 01:16:36,363
that that that Sky Cam is is amazing it to
to help.

1585
01:16:37,087 --> 01:16:41,119
Help viewers see the breath and the and
everything.

1586
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:44,270
Sky Sky Cam is is really, really cool.

1587
01:16:44,270 --> 01:16:47,732
~ the last thing that I wanted to bring
up,

1588
01:16:47,732 --> 01:16:52,974
lighthearted, but I wanted to get your
opinion and tell people if they saw it.

1589
01:16:52,974 --> 01:16:57,526
So, did you hear in Reno the name of the
bull that got all the attention because

1590
01:16:57,526 --> 01:17:00,837
it was a racial slur? Did you hear about
that?

1591
01:17:00,197 --> 01:17:01,758
Yes. Yes.

1592
01:17:00,837 --> 01:17:03,489
Well, I just had to dig into that because
I'm like,

1593
01:17:03,489 --> 01:17:04,489
what? So I

1594
01:17:04,497 --> 01:17:06,198
Anthony's my brother's announcing it.

1595
01:17:06,198 --> 01:17:09,049
So I text him, I said, Were you the guy
that announced the name of the bull?

1596
01:17:09,049 --> 01:17:12,310
And he said yes. And so here I just want,

1597
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:14,871
because I think this is interesting
because I dug into it a little bit.

1598
01:17:14,871 --> 01:17:17,893
The bull's name was Nick Gertz,

1599
01:17:17,893 --> 01:17:21,214
N-I-C-K, capital G-E-R-T-S.

1600
01:17:21,214 --> 01:17:24,355
Now, if you're sitting and listening to
the podcast or you're watching us,

1601
01:17:24,355 --> 01:17:26,977
try saying that really fast five times.

1602
01:17:26,977 --> 01:17:29,798
And and if you if you don't have an S on
it,

1603
01:17:29,798 --> 01:17:32,649
then you get you get what the racial slur
is.

1604
01:17:32,811 --> 01:17:34,652
Because I was trying to figure out what it
was,

1605
01:17:34,652 --> 01:17:36,993
right? How is it a a racial slur?

1606
01:17:36,993 --> 01:17:41,476
But maybe I'm a little slow. and so I see
how it happened.

1607
01:17:41,476 --> 01:17:47,019
And ~ they changed the name and of the
bull,

1608
01:17:47,019 --> 01:17:50,331
but boy, you know, again,

1609
01:17:50,331 --> 01:17:54,643
you gotta be careful because you don't
want to you don't want to upset anybody.

1610
01:17:54,643 --> 01:17:56,504
Anybody's perception is reality.

1611
01:17:56,504 --> 01:18:01,117
and you know, so that's where that.

1612
01:18:01,267 --> 01:18:03,238
That's where that came from. I thought it
was because I'm like,

1613
01:18:03,238 --> 01:18:05,659
what was I cause I read the name Nick
Gertz?

1614
01:18:05,659 --> 01:18:07,550
I'm like, I don't, I don't get it.

1615
01:18:07,550 --> 01:18:10,252
What what until I got a little
perspective.

1616
01:18:10,252 --> 01:18:13,114
And if you say that, if you're an
announcer and you say it really fast

1617
01:18:13,114 --> 01:18:14,534
and maybe you don't stress the S,

1618
01:18:14,534 --> 01:18:16,675
you can see where that's coming from.

1619
01:18:16,675 --> 01:18:19,757
Kind of like the old joke where you called
the bar and asked for,

1620
01:18:19,757 --> 01:18:21,658
I'm not even gonna bring those names up,

1621
01:18:21,454 --> 01:18:43,645
~

1622
01:18:21,658 --> 01:18:23,659
and they announced over the loudspeaker,

1623
01:18:23,659 --> 01:18:25,981
could so and so and so-and-so come to the
bar?

1624
01:18:25,981 --> 01:18:29,322
And if it's said real fast, so that's
where all that was.

1625
01:18:29,322 --> 01:18:30,322
And I think let's end.

1626
01:18:30,845 --> 01:18:33,997
a very interesting conversation on a
lighthearted note.

1627
01:18:33,997 --> 01:18:37,099
no nobody was intended to be offended
there.

1628
01:18:37,099 --> 01:18:40,761
And the name was changed, by the way.

1629
01:18:40,761 --> 01:18:42,983
So there you have it.

1630
01:18:43,645 --> 01:18:45,536
On that, you know what? ~ sorry,

1631
01:18:45,536 --> 01:18:47,587
but we're gonna just keep having one more,

1632
01:18:47,587 --> 01:18:51,109
one more, more one more. But ~ on the
perceptionist reality.

1633
01:18:51,569 --> 01:18:57,224
~ you know, point that's always that was
always true.

1634
01:18:57,224 --> 01:19:02,218
And and right now I have a real heart for
our friends at Salinas who just

1635
01:19:02,218 --> 01:19:04,430
had a whale of a rodeo, amazing,

1636
01:19:04,430 --> 01:19:06,452
awesome. We talked about some of the
reasons why.

1637
01:19:06,452 --> 01:19:10,125
And then right now they're going through
torture because

1638
01:19:10,729 --> 01:19:14,979
a non-PRCA rodeo over the weekend

1639
01:19:14,979 --> 01:19:18,313
or event related to rodeo.

1640
01:19:18,647 --> 01:19:22,460
happened and they're getting pummeled over
an animal welfare issue that

1641
01:19:22,460 --> 01:19:26,703
has nothing to do with professional rodeo
and it's really tough.

1642
01:19:26,703 --> 01:19:32,557
~ but that these are the sorts of this is
the tap dance that we're

1643
01:19:32,557 --> 01:19:36,439
all playing in twenty twenty six because
of so many sensitivities

1644
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,712
in society that weren't there thirty or
four years ago.

1645
01:19:38,348 --> 01:19:40,719
Well, it's interesting that you brought
that up.

1646
01:19:40,719 --> 01:19:41,719
See, we're just one

1647
01:19:41,470 --> 01:19:43,521
on. Here we'll we'll go longer than we
should.

1648
01:19:43,521 --> 01:19:45,642
But I reached out to Reno. By the way,

1649
01:19:45,642 --> 01:19:47,373
Reno Rosser and Flying Your Rodeo,

1650
01:19:47,373 --> 01:19:49,434
they're at the forefront of this battle,

1651
01:19:49,434 --> 01:19:53,566
right, that is waging on the West Coast on
Rodeo.

1652
01:19:53,566 --> 01:19:56,558
And hats off to Reno and all and a lot of
others.

1653
01:19:56,558 --> 01:19:59,800
The PRCA is involved, a lot of people that
are involved in this.

1654
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,802
And I said, What's up with the ban on
rodeo in LA?

1655
01:20:02,802 --> 01:20:05,223
And he said it's dead. It's it it

1656
01:20:05,427 --> 01:20:09,409
it didn't it didn't go through that the
council member that was advocating

1657
01:20:09,409 --> 01:20:13,310
it ~ you know that that may not still be
on the council.

1658
01:20:13,310 --> 01:20:16,832
But you bring up a really good point.

1659
01:20:16,832 --> 01:20:19,733
You know, professional rodeo and the WPRA,

1660
01:20:19,733 --> 01:20:24,415
they can't control or monitor all of this
other stuff that's out there,

1661
01:20:24,415 --> 01:20:27,696
which could potentially be fatal for our
sport.

1662
01:20:27,696 --> 01:20:32,178
And I'm with you. I mean the amount of
effort that Salinas puts in

1663
01:20:32,498 --> 01:20:33,799
any West Coast rodeo.

1664
01:20:34,559 --> 01:20:37,530
The amount of effort that they have to put
in to make sure that they don't

1665
01:20:35,607 --> 01:20:36,607
Yes, there's

1666
01:20:36,268 --> 01:21:00,047
a common. ~

1667
01:20:37,530 --> 01:20:42,942
get pummeled is unbelievable that there's
still a rodeo on the West Coast,

1668
01:20:42,942 --> 01:20:45,123
right? Because it's almost why do it?

1669
01:20:45,123 --> 01:20:48,515
Right. Like why even it's not even worth
the headache.

1670
01:20:48,515 --> 01:20:52,386
But thank God and hats off to you guys for
continu because that's where

1671
01:20:52,386 --> 01:20:54,807
it all originated. You bring it up all the
time.

1672
01:20:54,807 --> 01:20:57,288
There's great the West Coast is,

1673
01:20:57,288 --> 01:21:00,119
you know, part of the foundation of our

1674
01:21:00,119 --> 01:21:01,840
sport and it's gotta stay there.

1675
01:21:00,203 --> 01:21:21,370
~

1676
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,881
But you bring up a valid point.

1677
01:21:04,413 --> 01:21:06,045
And I don't, you know, what do we do?

1678
01:21:06,045 --> 01:21:10,662
But say, you know, but you be you also
have to pay attention to even some

1679
01:21:10,662 --> 01:21:12,194
of these pro rodeos, you know,

1680
01:21:12,194 --> 01:21:19,084
you know, how they handle these situations
is is important and

1681
01:21:21,370 --> 01:21:25,201
Well, it it and it in in it it all the
ball bounces both directions,

1682
01:21:25,201 --> 01:21:26,201
by the way, because

1683
01:21:26,490 --> 01:21:30,632
Reno being on the forefront and and a guy
like Tim Baldwin from Salinas being

1684
01:21:30,632 --> 01:21:32,413
on the front lines and different people.

1685
01:21:32,413 --> 01:21:38,657
let's not forget that what a year or two
ago when it when it all came down

1686
01:21:38,657 --> 01:21:41,794
on the rodeo band in LA, who saved the
day?

1687
01:21:41,794 --> 01:21:44,521
The Charos. And so

1688
01:21:43,135 --> 01:21:45,258
Yep. I saw the picture of

1689
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,622
of seventy Charles on horseback,

1690
01:21:47,622 --> 01:21:48,622
right?

1691
01:21:47,711 --> 01:21:48,711
Yeah.

1692
01:21:48,463 --> 01:21:51,007
Standing in front of City Hall or
whatever.

1693
01:21:50,471 --> 01:21:53,842
Yes. Yes. And their cultural

1694
01:21:51,007 --> 01:21:53,351
And fantastic.

1695
01:21:53,842 --> 01:21:57,983
influence helped the cowboy culture
tremendously.

1696
01:21:57,983 --> 01:22:02,344
So we don't want to turn tail we don't
want to turn on on,

1697
01:22:02,344 --> 01:22:09,186
you know, related events. But it the the
the harpoon goes in both directions,

1698
01:22:09,186 --> 01:22:11,047
right? The dagger comes in both
directions.

1699
01:22:11,047 --> 01:22:13,347
But they they have so helped save the day.

1700
01:22:13,347 --> 01:22:15,908
So we don't want to just turn on each
other,

1701
01:22:15,908 --> 01:22:17,518
we want to help each other. Again,

1702
01:22:17,518 --> 01:22:19,229
we're back to, you know, rising

1703
01:22:20,261 --> 01:22:23,612
All rising that tide for for all ships.

1704
01:22:22,389 --> 01:22:25,141
Yeah. And you know, the thing about it is
you have,

1705
01:22:25,421 --> 01:22:31,866
and it's not wise, you have animal
athletes performing and you have human
athletes

1706
01:22:31,866 --> 01:22:34,608
performing, just like all athletes
perform.

1707
01:22:34,608 --> 01:22:40,212
And injuries can happen. That's just the
reality of performing athletes.

1708
01:22:40,212 --> 01:22:42,374
Now the argument is, I'm telling you,

1709
01:22:42,025 --> 01:22:43,025
This one.

1710
01:22:42,374 --> 01:22:43,374
I

1711
01:22:42,434 --> 01:22:47,808
I've had PETA people come with me to
behind the shoots and watch these bucking

1712
01:22:47,808 --> 01:22:48,919
horses and bulls.

1713
01:22:49,277 --> 01:22:54,309
And you watch this this the the the
natural instinct of the cattle and
everything,

1714
01:22:54,309 --> 01:22:59,812
you know, they it you know, it it all goes
back to the premise of,

1715
01:22:59,812 --> 01:23:02,073
you know, forcing something for
entertainment.

1716
01:23:00,811 --> 01:23:01,811
What's happening?

1717
01:23:02,573 --> 01:23:07,915
And you know, I I just don't ~ I don't add
I don't think that that's the case.

1718
01:23:07,242 --> 01:23:08,267
Okay, that's that's the

1719
01:23:07,915 --> 01:23:08,915
These animals,

1720
01:23:09,376 --> 01:23:11,877
you know, especially the rough stock,

1721
01:23:10,307 --> 01:23:14,987
~ this the public.

1722
01:23:11,877 --> 01:23:15,018
~ the the the sporn debuck is real.

1723
01:23:15,018 --> 01:23:16,018
They

1724
01:23:15,559 --> 01:23:16,559
love what they do.

1725
01:23:17,019 --> 01:23:20,541
And you know, to sit there and say that
that's not possible for an animal to

1726
01:23:20,541 --> 01:23:25,204
be injured while it's while it is
competing and they're competing.

1727
01:23:25,204 --> 01:23:29,599
They're competing against the human and
they want to win.

1728
01:23:29,599 --> 01:23:32,828
And ~ we we have to take precautions.

1729
01:23:32,828 --> 01:23:39,372
And I know that as a whole, the rodeo
industry takes I mean you look

1730
01:23:39,372 --> 01:23:41,156
at like Brittany not running, right?

1731
01:23:40,431 --> 01:23:41,431
Yeah, yeah.

1732
01:23:41,156 --> 01:23:44,515
You just c you can give example of example
of example of example.

1733
01:23:44,015 --> 01:23:45,015
Yeah, it's

1734
01:23:44,582 --> 01:23:45,582
a call in

1735
01:23:45,083 --> 01:23:46,083
Of

1736
01:23:45,584 --> 01:23:51,007
of our industry cherishing our animals and
taking care of them.

1737
01:23:51,007 --> 01:23:54,289
And but the perception, you know,

1738
01:23:54,289 --> 01:23:56,961
you said it, we said it both, perception's
reality.

1739
01:23:56,961 --> 01:23:58,912
It matters how someone perceives it.

1740
01:23:58,912 --> 01:24:01,854
Whether it's true or not, right?

1741
01:24:01,854 --> 01:24:03,485
Even in your home and your family,

1742
01:24:03,485 --> 01:24:07,007
how you talk to somebody, it matters how
that person you're talking

1743
01:24:07,007 --> 01:24:09,288
to is perceiving it. You know,

1744
01:24:08,362 --> 01:24:10,303
Yes. Well and and

1745
01:24:09,288 --> 01:24:10,449
it whether you meant it or not.

1746
01:24:11,143 --> 01:24:16,854
I if people know the truth ~ one of my
favorite examples of of the way

1747
01:24:16,854 --> 01:24:21,546
we feel about our animals with with ~ a
gold buckle on the line,

1748
01:24:21,546 --> 01:24:27,017
Haley Kinzel leaves sister in her stall
last year before for the tenth round
because

1749
01:24:27,017 --> 01:24:29,665
she was just not quite herself that
morning.

1750
01:24:29,665 --> 01:24:32,808
I mean, come on now. Nobody loves it more
than we do,

1751
01:24:32,808 --> 01:24:33,808
so

1752
01:24:33,333 --> 01:24:34,333
That's great.

1753
01:24:34,249 --> 01:24:35,439
go catch your plane.

1754
01:24:35,724 --> 01:24:38,684
Okay. Well, everybody, thank you for being
a part.

1755
01:24:38,684 --> 01:24:43,306
~ boy, it was fun to be back. It was fun
for us to just have a conversation.

1756
01:24:43,306 --> 01:24:45,366
Thank all of you. We'll be back.

1757
01:24:45,366 --> 01:24:47,247
We're coming at you every two weeks.

1758
01:24:47,247 --> 01:24:50,288
So get ready. We're coming at you every
two weeks.

1759
01:24:50,288 --> 01:24:55,129
And ~ you're gonna hear you're gonna hear
us whether you like it or not.

1760
01:24:55,129 --> 01:24:58,880
So ~ to all of you, God bless you.

1761
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:00,890
Thank you for joining us. Thank you,

1762
01:25:00,890 --> 01:25:02,831
Miss Santos. Again, you're a

1763
01:25:03,381 --> 01:25:06,409
You're a star. This has been No Spin
Rodeo,

1764
01:25:06,409 --> 01:25:09,146
episode 108. We'll see you next time.