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Welcome to User Friendly 2.0

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with host Bill
Sikkens, Technology architect.

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And this is User Friendly 2.0.

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I am your host Bill Sikkens. Welcome.

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Welcome to this week's show.
We're glad to have you here.

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Bill. Gretchen. Welcome.

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Hello there.

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So we're already on our way
to the end of June.

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We've got some comic cons coming up.

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Rose city is.

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And Bradley Weston,
who handles a lot of our East Coast

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things, is traveling right now
and picking up the world's

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largest toy museum,
I believe, and Comic-Con on his end.

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And we'll be covering that
in future weeks too.

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So that will be coming up as we move
ahead.

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So how are things with you guys
getting ready for the July 4th? Yep.

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Gretchen, do you have your private fire
department in order, I wish.

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So Gretchen lives in a place
where they do not have sound ordinances

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and or any restrictions on fireworks,
it seems.

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Yeah, every year

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it's like being in the middle of a,
you know, a war battle battle.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So last year, they managed
to catch the power box on fire

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and when it was burning, apparently had 15
people who were intoxicated calling 911.

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Every five was
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calling 911 like 30 times.

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Oh, that's funny

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because according to the blotter report
that they posted, it said 15.

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Oh, I got that number.

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So anyway,
what do we have in the news this week?

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Well, most pros have seen AI
hallucinations in IT operations.

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So, you know, every time
I think that we've talked about AI

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and hallucinations 
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it seems to come up again.

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And before I dive into this story,
I'm just going to make this one comment.

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There is nothing else
that I am aware of that in business,

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people would just blindly trust
to do something that that could be

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any kind of a machine or computer
or even another employee.

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You always check it.

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But for some reason with AI,
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these scenarios, people
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AI is an amazing tool.
It can do a lot of stuff,

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but like anything else,
it isn't correct all the time.

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And this is one of those stories
that goes along with this

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that could become a little bit scary
if it's not handled right.

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So what's happening is, is AI
is being used more and more in IT

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operations, as the headline says.

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So basically what this comes down to
and I'll just talk about, you know,

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this is old man
shouting at the cloud stuff here.

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I know I'm that age, so I accept that.

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But when I started out, you know, back
in the days of vacuum tube servers, okay,

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it wasn't quite that bad,
but you weren't in the punch card era.

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No, no,
but I was transferring people out of it.

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First bank I worked for,
that was part of what we did.

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So that dates me a little bit.

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But in any event,
what happens is, is you have an AI team

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usually that handles back end operations.

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And these are people that take care
of maintaining servers, infrastructure,

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that kind of thing, fixing stuff
when it breaks all of that.

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And part of doing that,
we've had tools for a long time

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that will monitor the network
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So, you know, you've lost.

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I work for a bank, so you've lost branch
shown, so they've dropped off the network.

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The idea being that

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if you can see these things sooner, then
having somebody call in and telling you.

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Hey, we've stopped working.

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It becomes a situation where you can get
all these things faster and time is money.

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Well, what they're doing
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where it is
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also making adjustments
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So if it sees that the branches gone down
before contacting a human, it might go in

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and try to reestablish it
and all that kind of thing.

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Now again, this can save time.

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But at the end of the day,
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something that isn't actually wrong,
it could also bring in other problems.

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And this is something that we're
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and make absolutely sure
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and not turn too much control over this
Hilo Apple computer.

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You know, when it comes down
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I was reading somewhere that it was about
9% hallucinations and errors.

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Yeah. AI right now.

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And that sounds about right.

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You know,

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it just it's a situation

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where you've got to watch
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And this comes from Alec called Help
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And I don't think we've ever covered
anything from them before, but

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article does go into a lot of good detail
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And it's just, again, a situation.

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It's not saying you can't use AI,
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turn your life over to it.

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You know, I can see doing that
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or something like that, that's actually,
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But don't turn it over to AI. Not yet.

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Although Alto warns Global Protect

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VPN floor is being actively exploited.

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All right,
so that's a mouthful of a headline.

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And when you dive into what
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for anybody that doesn't know,
a VPN stands for virtual private network.

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And these are used
for a lot of different things.

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One of them is encrypting data between
a source that's private and your computer.

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So in other words,
let's say you're on your laptop.

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You go to a coffee place
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and you want to work on your stuff
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You would use a VPN in this situation
to encrypt that data.

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So even though you're on a public network
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the data is still being protected.

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So what's happening here
is that like anything

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else, the VPN software can have problems.

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And they're having an issue here
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that are created by your browser
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are being able to be basically intercepted
and changed on the point of the VPN.

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So to explain what I'm talking about with
that is I'm not talking about

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chocolate chip cookies from the grocery
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But what this is, is
when you go to a website

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and authenticator, do other things,
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The website keeps a small piece of data
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with one method of authentication
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And this information stays behind.

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So the next time you go to your work site
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that's how it knows that we don't need
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or, you know, another
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But when you go to another machine,
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So that's just a convenience things.

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It does a lot more than this.

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And I know in some of the comments
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but I'm not trying to dive that deep.

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Just more of an explanation
of what's going on here.

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So what they're able to do is the bad

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guys can get in and modify
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So in other words, the server you're going
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They're putting walnuts in the cookies.

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Yeah.

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And everybody
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But what's happening with that is

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the server is getting the idea
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and that your machine doesn't
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And then it can do things
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and be able to access the system
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to much worse things, doing things
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actually diverting information, changing
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changing what's going to the server,
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So this is something to be aware of.

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It is something that is being worked
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There's a lot of different providers
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so different ones will be different.

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And what I would suggest is
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like from your office, talk

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to your IT department
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Is there anything you should do
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like many of the ones that are out there,
check with them on their support

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and see if there's anything you should do
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There's not one solution to this
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The best thing is to check
with your provider until this is fixed.

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All right.

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Struggling Pizza Hut restaurant
chain will be sold

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for $2.7 billion.

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Yeah. You know, from a nostalgia thing.

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I still remember Pizza
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It was like this dark environment
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and you had your pizza
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where you shot
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you know, and you usually had Pac-Man
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Okay, I'm dating myself,
but that's what I remember.

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Pizza hut restaurants like this being
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they haven't kept up,
which is kind of an odd thing

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considering the pizza

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was one of the first kinds of food
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But I didn't know.

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You know, their restaurants
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They're not keeping up.

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And the thing of it is,
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a lot of their business does
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and doing what you would expect them
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you know, by beverages and upsell
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the company is

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being acquired by a Chinese company

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called Yum Chinese Holding Incorporated,
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Brands, which also owns Kentucky
Fried Chicken, Taco Bell and some others.

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And they're going to go through,
I guess, and try to revamp this.

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You never know what happens
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They could do anything from trying

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to bring the stores into the future
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or something in between.
So we'll have to see what happens.

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I would think pain in the billions for it.

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They're probably going to do something

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more with it
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So we're going to see a KFC, Taco
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That is very much
an option, very much an option.

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Taco Bell, KFC, Pizza Hut isn't a
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The root beer one,
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because I've seen and w KFC's
I've seen KFC, Taco Bell's.

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All right.

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Well, your one stop fast food shop
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So those are usually at truck stop.

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Have you noticed that? Yeah. Yeah yeah.

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PGE is

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upgrading
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So one note on this we're talking PGE
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and E not like that's confusing
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Is Portland General Electric

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PPG and a specific graft
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What is that.

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Extortion. Grafting. Extortion. Yeah.

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No I mean something else.

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I believe it's Pacific glass and glass.

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Gas and electric. I can talk today.

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Anyway, they are two completely
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And when I first moved back to Portland,
I didn't know that and was trying

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to set up an account through Penny
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because my address in Oregon
was not coming up on their system.

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So we're talking the one in Oregon here.

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And Gretchen, this is a story
you found, which is kind of cool.

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And tell us a little bit
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Okay.

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Well, first of all,
this company seems to like to send

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informative emails to their customers,
which has actually been kind of fun.

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And what they're doing is
they're trying to upgrade the lines that

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where the electricity travels
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coating on the outside of the
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and it's supposed
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hopefully, maybe we can get one of them
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It's not a bad idea.

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I'll send out the invitation
because this is a cool technology.

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And it's also something
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it is a retrofit,
which helps in a lot of ways.

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You're not having to replace
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so you don't have the waste time

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and purchasing new materials
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And something like
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So I think that I like seeing that
they're looking at technologies like this.

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And like you said,
I think we need to have someone

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come on and talk a little bit more detail
about this to be able to describe

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exactly how they're doing,
what they're doing.

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But it is something that's nice
that's out there.

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So yeah, I'll look into getting
someone on the show for that.

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Oh geez.

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A mysterious cold blob in the ocean

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has puzzled scientists.

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Well, you know, mysterious cold blobs
could puzzle a scientist

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or, a little more important,
anybody that hasn't seen the movie

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Day After Tomorrow, it's a disaster film
that came out, oh, 15 years ago

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or something.

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Now I'm probably more

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it kind of goes into what would happen
if this really went the wrong way.

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And what this is referring to
is there's an area in the ocean

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that's cooled by about one degrees
Celsius since 1900.

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Okay, that might not sound like a lot,
but what it's relating to and what science

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is are considering
this to be a warning sign

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of, is the fact
that there is a system of ocean currents.

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The basically brings

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heat from the equator in the ocean
back up to the areas of the North Pole.

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That's what keeps Europe as a temperate
climate, as well as the climate

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on the East Coast, North America
and stuff like that.

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And if this was to shut down,
he wouldn't be coming north.

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And, you know,
we could go into a bit of an ice age.

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And with climate change,
which is changing

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the temperature of the water in the ocean,
in some places,

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the idea day
after tomorrow was exploring was,

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what if these systems of currents
completely shut down?

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Well, bad things would happen, you know?

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And while it doesn't seem like it's going
to be going quite to that extreme with

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something like this, it is a situation
where we're seeing documental evidence

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that there is a sign
that something could go very wrong here.

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Yeah, well,

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I mean, think about all the weird stuff
that's floating around in the ocean.

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Those those, like islands of garbage.
Yeah.

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That's got to affect
how the water cools or heat, you know?

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So it's

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it's kind of like
putting maybe like asphalt on the ground.

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If you put asphalt on the ground, it

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kind of like, collects
the heat and heats everything up.

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Heat islands. That's probably the garlic.

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Why wouldn't the garbage
do the same thing to the ocean?

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Yeah. Why do you are probably is.

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And you know

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and I don't I don't know

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if that's affecting this directly,
but it's another big problem

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when you think about the garbage islands
like larger than the state of Texas.

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I heard somewhere I'd have to double
check that, but it's huge.

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You're kidding.

283
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The amount that they said was in there.

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I'll find out the exact comparison
and talk about it a little bit later.

285
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Oh, wow.

286
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I didn't know that.

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The amount of garbage, let's just say.

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And it's all in one place,
it's it's gathering.

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Yeah.

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It's almost like I don't know, the

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there's links of it, but it's almost like
it's attracted to itself or something.

292
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So so do the ships.

293
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Oh wow.

294
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This is a whole big story

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because I would think the ships

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would try to avoid that,

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because I would think that would clog up
the propellers and everything.

298
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Well, of course it would. Yeah. Wow.

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You have to navigate around it.

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And again, I'm not an expert on that,
but I do know that

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having a garbage island that's very large
is just going to be a bad thing anyway.

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So anyway, yeah, on the story
with the cold spot, CNN was reporting

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that and is definitely something
that if there was to be a complete

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shutdown of these currents,
it would a lot of bad things would happen.

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And you

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unless you wanted to, you know, to live in
a very cold climate would move south.

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But you can only imagine what would happen
if something like that went down

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anyway.

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Listener question that's come in, and one
that I have to make a correction on,

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something that I talked about previously
is something to do with Nintendo. And

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we've talked about in the past

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the idea of physical versus digital media.

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And one of the things
that I had talked about was that

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I really wasn't too excited about a switch
to because it was digital only.

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And where I'd gotten that was from
some of the initial demonstration units,

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as well as the press that came out
when this was

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something that was first being discussed.

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Well, I decided that I wanted to maybe

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break down because the Zelda franchise
is something I really like,

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and I need to get a switch to
to run the newest version and emailed.

321
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I think it was Best Buy or somebody
in their business sales department asking,

322
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you know, what can I do?

323
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And how do we play old games
and all this kind of stuff?

324
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And got a very perplexed email going,
well, there is a physical cartridge

325
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slot in the switch
to it's in the upper right of it. So.

326
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Reggie,

327
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but this is a good

328
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thing, you know, and to me and actually,
I have to say thinking about this

329
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a little bit Nintendo good, bad
or otherwise, whatever you think of

330
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Mario and company has always been

331
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maybe a proponent would be the right word
of physical media, and it seemed strange

332
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that they were going away
from that in the switch to.

333
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Although that does seem to be the
direction of some of the others are going.

334
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That absolutely is not the case here.

335
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You can do

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digital downloads and that's fine,
but you can buy a game and have

337
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all the stuff that goes along with it.

338
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You own it, you can lend it to a friend,
you can sell it,

339
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you can put it on the shelf.

340
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You can hang it from your rearview mirror
if you want, but it's yours.

341
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It's a physical object that is something

342
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that you have,
that you know has a value to it.

343
00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:48,867
And one of the issues
I've had here is we do review games.

344
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Bill, I know you do
that. And James does on the vault as well.

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And one of the things is,
is you buy a game digital

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and a downloads and that's it.

347
00:17:57,042 --> 00:17:59,878
So do you really own that?
You can't sell it?

348
00:17:59,878 --> 00:18:01,814
I mean, there's no way to write.

349
00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,016
You can't return it, obviously,
but you can't do that anyway.

350
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But you can't sell it.

351
00:18:05,551 --> 00:18:09,822
You can't play it on someone else's system
unless it allows for that specifically.

352
00:18:09,822 --> 00:18:13,859
And a lot of gamers are moving
in a direction where they prefer

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physical media.

354
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In fact,
this is becoming kind of a movement.

355
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:21,066
And so in checking on this,

356
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the answer I got back from Nintendo
is that they want to remain

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one of the strongest supporters
of physical game releases,

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which is one reason many collectors
appreciate the company.

359
00:18:30,042 --> 00:18:31,176
Yes, that is a quote.

360
00:18:31,176 --> 00:18:33,412
So so that's really good news.

361
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And actually I've made an observation

362
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while looking at stuff on Amazon Prime.

363
00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:42,187
Okay.

364
00:18:42,187 --> 00:18:46,992
So you all know
that I'm like into Star Wars really?

365
00:18:47,259 --> 00:18:47,893
Yeah.

366
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And the century aggressions
in the Star Wars.

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You heard it here first.

368
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And and one of the few things
that I'm allowing myself

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still to collect are the six inch

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Black Series action figures.

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And it seemed like the last

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five years or so, the whole

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toy stuff kind of died,

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and all of a sudden

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there's an explosion
of all kinds of cool figures.

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00:19:22,027 --> 00:19:26,431
It just went boom, all,
all kinds of fun stuff.

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00:19:26,431 --> 00:19:29,468
And it's like there's this feeling like,

378
00:19:29,535 --> 00:19:33,105
oh, hey, maybe Star Wars is coming back,
you know?

379
00:19:33,105 --> 00:19:37,843
And so I just thought I would share
something happy that's going on.

380
00:19:37,876 --> 00:19:42,214
You know, maybe it's because
The Mandalorian and Grogu are doing well.

381
00:19:42,781 --> 00:19:47,352
Maybe it's because Dave Felony
and Company are, you know,

382
00:19:47,386 --> 00:19:51,590
forging ahead with a positive attitude,
so who knows?

383
00:19:52,224 --> 00:19:57,963
I think it's a very important point
you put out there and a 10,000ft view,

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these type of things is as much part
of our cultural history as anything else.

385
00:20:02,668 --> 00:20:07,172
And when you look at purely digital stuff
and action

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figures, by the nature of what they are,
has to be a physical object.

387
00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:14,613
Unless you're doing like an NFT of one
or something, which was tried and didn't

388
00:20:14,613 --> 00:20:20,185
work out too well for obvious reasons,
but it is something that you can use.

389
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Put on the shelf, play with whatever
you would want to do with it.

390
00:20:22,955 --> 00:20:27,159
But one thing that you don't think
about where this plays into

391
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it is the idea of being able
to preserve cultural history.

392
00:20:31,496 --> 00:20:35,400
So I have my, you know, with a new He-Man
movie out here.

393
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,669
I was really in He-Man
when I was a little kid, and

394
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:40,839
I still have some of my original figures
and stuff that go back to that era.

395
00:20:41,473 --> 00:20:42,874
We're going to go see the new movie.

396
00:20:42,874 --> 00:20:44,376
We'll talk about it probably next week.

397
00:20:44,376 --> 00:20:47,212
But the point of that being
is that's one example.

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Books or comic books that came with this,
regular books, all that kind of stuff,

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movies, music,
these are all things that can be preserved

400
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unless they're digital only
and you have some problems

401
00:21:00,459 --> 00:21:04,296
that are coming out of this
because one of them is the fact that

402
00:21:04,463 --> 00:21:06,098
you have a game you really like.

403
00:21:06,098 --> 00:21:09,434
If I have a game for my Atari 130 X,

404
00:21:10,202 --> 00:21:12,271
which I now got up and running again,
I can go play it.

405
00:21:12,271 --> 00:21:14,273
I have the cartridge or the disc.

406
00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:18,810
You know, I'm not a big fan of discs,
but it was a way to archive it.

407
00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:22,147
And you go, you can move that file over
to SD and use it on a modern,

408
00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:24,349
you know, cartridge
that will accept those such things.

409
00:21:24,349 --> 00:21:27,352
But the point of it is it's out there,
it's still there, you can get to it.

410
00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:29,855
And we're seeing some stuff now.

411
00:21:29,855 --> 00:21:31,990
We're entire franchises are disappearing.

412
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:33,091
One I would bring up from this

413
00:21:33,091 --> 00:21:36,461
because it's still commented about it,
is tapped out from The Simpsons.

414
00:21:37,262 --> 00:21:38,697
There's no way you can play that game.

415
00:21:38,697 --> 00:21:41,300
It's gone.
Yeah. It's gone. It's not archived.

416
00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:42,334
It is completely gone.

417
00:21:42,334 --> 00:21:47,773
And anything with servers
which are most, you know, tablet games

418
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and that kind of a thing,
have that potential problem.

419
00:21:51,677 --> 00:21:54,279
At some point it's going to go away.

420
00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:58,450
And unless there's a private single player
mode or something of that nature,

421
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you're
not going to be able to get into it.

422
00:22:00,052 --> 00:22:03,722
But it goes a step further too,
because even with some physical media,

423
00:22:03,822 --> 00:22:07,092
Electronic Arts bought the SimCity
franchise and in my opinion,

424
00:22:07,092 --> 00:22:10,696
completely destroyed it
when they released a new game.

425
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:14,299
This was back in like 2013,
I think released a new game

426
00:22:14,299 --> 00:22:17,402
that, in my opinion,
wasn't as good as the Maxis one before it.

427
00:22:17,402 --> 00:22:18,470
But that wasn't the big issue.

428
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:21,907
The big issue was in order to play it
even installed on your local computer,

429
00:22:21,907 --> 00:22:25,077
it had to authenticate with a server
for copy protection.

430
00:22:25,077 --> 00:22:27,179
When that server goes away,
you can no longer start

431
00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:31,283
the game that you have the disk for,
you know, because of the digital stuff.

432
00:22:31,283 --> 00:22:34,319
Now, 
Electronic Arts did change that later

433
00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,656
because of the backlash on it,
but the point being

434
00:22:37,823 --> 00:22:40,826
that it is a situation

435
00:22:40,826 --> 00:22:44,396
where we're going to see some stuff
just completely disappear

436
00:22:45,263 --> 00:22:50,235
because of this kind of stuff, you know,
and I was one that for a long time

437
00:22:50,235 --> 00:22:54,506
I liked the digital versions of things,
and I still do do the convenience.

438
00:22:54,706 --> 00:22:58,877
One example that I brought up is the idea
that I like being able to watch movies

439
00:22:58,877 --> 00:23:04,816
on any television or device in my house,
so if you have a Blu ray disc,

440
00:23:05,217 --> 00:23:08,920
you can't really do that because you would
have to have a player in each room.

441
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,156
You're not going to have a Blu ray player
on your tablet.

442
00:23:11,156 --> 00:23:12,190
Probably.

443
00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:16,027
The point being is that if you have a
is a digital copy, you can pause it

444
00:23:16,027 --> 00:23:17,496
and resume it on another device.

445
00:23:17,496 --> 00:23:21,700
So I've kind of gone to a hybrid of this
where I buy a legal copy of everything

446
00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:25,137
on physical media now
and then put it on my, in my case,

447
00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:28,473
Plex server, which is what I use for that,
so I can do both things with it.

448
00:23:28,473 --> 00:23:30,075
But I still have that physical copy.

449
00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:34,546
So if someday later that goes away,
I still have access to it

450
00:23:34,579 --> 00:23:37,582
in some type of an example.

451
00:23:37,983 --> 00:23:38,417
All right.

452
00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:39,618
Well we're going to go ahead

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and take our break and our next segment
we are going to be talking about

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data centers.

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We'll be back after the break.

456
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He's from the future.

457
00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:52,397
He's got a really big computer

458
00:23:52,697 --> 00:23:55,901
and he uses it uses it every day.

459
00:23:56,268 --> 00:23:59,371
And he uses it uses it in every way.

460
00:23:59,671 --> 00:24:05,110
What you use it for, you know, I'm
not that sure because he uses his

461
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466
00:24:19,891 --> 00:24:21,460
And that's user friendly show.

467
00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:23,562
And you can go to

468
00:24:23,562 --> 00:24:26,531
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469
00:24:26,832 --> 00:24:31,837
So we've did a piece a while
back on data centers.

470
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:33,872
This would have been kind of mid
last year,

471
00:24:33,872 --> 00:24:37,075
I think, and we've had a lot of questions
coming in on this.

472
00:24:37,075 --> 00:24:42,280
And it is a topic
that seems to be evolving quite a bit.

473
00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,483
A lot of that AI.

474
00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:44,883
Yeah.

475
00:24:44,883 --> 00:24:48,019
And for anybody that doesn't know,
you know,

476
00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:51,523
or has really never thought about
this is data center is a place

477
00:24:51,523 --> 00:24:54,860
where for a lot of computers basically
that serve up various different things.

478
00:24:54,893 --> 00:24:55,594
Right.

479
00:24:55,594 --> 00:25:00,098
And you're
I can assure you, anybody that's

480
00:25:00,098 --> 00:25:02,834
listening has used a data center
because you're using one right now.

481
00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:04,102
Listen to the show.

482
00:25:04,102 --> 00:25:07,172
Pretty much anything
that streams or anything like that

483
00:25:07,372 --> 00:25:11,910
has a data center at some point in it,
as well as a lot of other things.

484
00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:16,314
So back in the day,
when I started working on this stuff

485
00:25:16,581 --> 00:25:19,951
for the bank that I worked for
and then our own company afterwards,

486
00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:22,754
a data center would be a place
where we'd have a server,

487
00:25:22,754 --> 00:25:26,157
which is a computer that handles,
you know, various different things,

488
00:25:26,157 --> 00:25:31,696
and that would be placed into a building
with other servers that we rented space in

489
00:25:31,763 --> 00:25:32,297
that had a

490
00:25:32,297 --> 00:25:37,035
lot of different companies in there,
and they would handle the power cooling,

491
00:25:37,469 --> 00:25:40,138
all of that kind of stuff
so that we didn't have to.

492
00:25:40,138 --> 00:25:44,109
And then the other nice thing about
that is if we had a problem with a site

493
00:25:44,109 --> 00:25:47,345
or if we did like we with a consulting
company were handling stuff

494
00:25:47,345 --> 00:25:50,348
for various different businesses,
you could use our hardware,

495
00:25:50,348 --> 00:25:54,252
but it was centralized,
it was maintained properly, and

496
00:25:54,986 --> 00:25:58,590
that was something that a lot of different
people used to.

497
00:25:58,990 --> 00:26:00,792
Gretchen,
you worked for that insurance company.

498
00:26:00,792 --> 00:26:03,795
I remember too,
and they had the server closet.

499
00:26:04,095 --> 00:26:06,731
Oh, yeah, literally the server closet.

500
00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:09,301
You know, a lot of things started out
when they needed servers.

501
00:26:09,301 --> 00:26:11,202
They were putting them in these back rooms
and stuff.

502
00:26:11,202 --> 00:26:13,471
They weren't cooled properly
and that kind of a thing.

503
00:26:13,471 --> 00:26:16,074
And that causes a problem
if you go into one of the

504
00:26:16,074 --> 00:26:19,411
I remember those old server farms,
you walk in there

505
00:26:19,411 --> 00:26:23,415
and there's this enormous hum
from all of the fans

506
00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:28,853
blowing, trying to keep the area
where all the servers were running cool.

507
00:26:29,621 --> 00:26:31,756
Oh yeah. And you had that.

508
00:26:31,756 --> 00:26:35,393
And then about 2015,
the cloud came into being a thing.

509
00:26:35,393 --> 00:26:38,263
And this makes me think of those t shirts.

510
00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:40,699
You know, there's no cloud, it's
just somebody else's computer,

511
00:26:40,699 --> 00:26:43,435
which in a lot of cases is pretty accurate
even today.

512
00:26:43,435 --> 00:26:47,305
Although what you can do with cloud
based systems is a lot more than what

513
00:26:47,305 --> 00:26:51,109
you could do without them in the past,
because things are tied

514
00:26:51,142 --> 00:26:54,145
together, which has good things
and bad things that that creates.

515
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,348
So that's basically
what we're at right now.

516
00:26:56,348 --> 00:27:01,586
And data centers are evolving
and have been for a bit into

517
00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:03,254
AI supercomputing campuses.

518
00:27:03,254 --> 00:27:07,759
Now, the reason for this
is because when you use AI,

519
00:27:07,892 --> 00:27:13,298
generally speaking, it's not running
on your desktop, phone, tablet, whatever.

520
00:27:13,365 --> 00:27:17,402
So when you go to your smart assistant
on your phone and ask a question,

521
00:27:17,402 --> 00:27:20,071
what it does
is it takes a recording of what you asked,

522
00:27:20,071 --> 00:27:23,341
sends it to a data center somewhere,
and that's where it is interpreted.

523
00:27:23,341 --> 00:27:26,411
And the AI that's powering
that can send back and answer,

524
00:27:26,411 --> 00:27:28,513
and that's sent back to your phone
in this case.

525
00:27:28,513 --> 00:27:32,217
And that's done so quickly that you don't
know that that's what's going on.

526
00:27:32,217 --> 00:27:33,251
But that's what it is.

527
00:27:33,251 --> 00:27:37,322
And if you ever want to check that out,
disconnect your smart speaker

528
00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:38,356
from the internet.

529
00:27:38,356 --> 00:27:41,760
So take it off your Wi-Fi
or take your phone off

530
00:27:42,227 --> 00:27:44,162
mobile data and Wi-Fi
and that kind of a thing.

531
00:27:44,162 --> 00:27:47,132
And you'll find out that while it's
still there, it's very limited.

532
00:27:47,532 --> 00:27:50,602
Well, often a certain

533
00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:53,905
AI will go, I'm sorry,
I can't do that right now.

534
00:27:54,472 --> 00:27:55,840
Know? Yeah.

535
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,443
And that's because that's that's
what's happening, you know.

536
00:27:58,443 --> 00:27:58,777
Yeah.

537
00:27:58,777 --> 00:28:02,147
So anyway, cloud stuff does have

538
00:28:02,147 --> 00:28:05,917
a little bit of a difference and literally
it's just someone else's computer.

539
00:28:05,917 --> 00:28:09,921
So as a for example,
a lot of my clients I run their

540
00:28:11,656 --> 00:28:14,025
workloads,
I guess you would call it on AWS,

541
00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:17,028
which is Amazon Web Services,
which is, if not the largest,

542
00:28:17,028 --> 00:28:19,998
one of the largest web services
that there are in the world.

543
00:28:19,998 --> 00:28:20,598
Right.

544
00:28:20,598 --> 00:28:24,302
And that handles
a lot of different things.

545
00:28:24,302 --> 00:28:28,139
But what happens is,
is there's one company I have as a client

546
00:28:28,239 --> 00:28:30,175
that they want to be able
to upload video files

547
00:28:30,175 --> 00:28:32,744
and have it automatically convert it
to a common format.

548
00:28:32,744 --> 00:28:35,413
So whatever it is,
I believe it goes to an MP for.

549
00:28:35,413 --> 00:28:38,416
And if you try to do that
with just one server,

550
00:28:38,483 --> 00:28:41,019
it wouldn't work
because you wouldn't have the resources.

551
00:28:41,019 --> 00:28:44,222
So what happens is, is there's
an application that's part of Amazon

552
00:28:44,222 --> 00:28:47,358
Web Services
where you can have it, do it where it has

553
00:28:47,358 --> 00:28:51,062
the appropriate amount of computing power
that's required for it.

554
00:28:51,062 --> 00:28:52,697
But you don't have to buy it
and maintain it.

555
00:28:52,697 --> 00:28:54,666
You do pay for the time that's used.

556
00:28:54,666 --> 00:28:56,801
So that's something
that cloud services can do.

557
00:28:56,801 --> 00:28:57,936
And that's just one example.

558
00:28:57,936 --> 00:29:01,172
Things like email and all of that
are also obviously cloud services.

559
00:29:01,172 --> 00:29:04,342
The web is in that type of a thing.

560
00:29:04,342 --> 00:29:08,780
And when you think about it,
there was a time where you could

561
00:29:09,214 --> 00:29:12,217
and you conceivably still could host
your website in your office,

562
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:16,855
at your company,
and it would just run on a program there.

563
00:29:17,155 --> 00:29:21,292
But if you ever lost your internet
connection or something ever happened,

564
00:29:21,426 --> 00:29:22,627
you would be off the web.

565
00:29:22,627 --> 00:29:26,431
So data centers, because they're a set up
where they have redundancy and backup.

566
00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:30,401
And that type of a thing, generally
speaking, eliminates that problem.

567
00:29:30,401 --> 00:29:34,105
Although we have seen from time to time
where there can be problems

568
00:29:34,105 --> 00:29:37,275
that will still take things down,
but it's a lot less likely to happen.

569
00:29:37,275 --> 00:29:38,476
And as a person

570
00:29:38,476 --> 00:29:41,613
that does support of these things,
it also is nice because I don't have to

571
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:45,350
go at 2:00 in the morning somewhere to try
to figure out why the server went down,

572
00:29:45,383 --> 00:29:46,417
you know? Yeah.

573
00:29:46,417 --> 00:29:50,421
And the reason why that's important
is because, you know, some businesses

574
00:29:50,555 --> 00:29:54,492
completely rely on that
constant communication.

575
00:29:54,926 --> 00:29:57,962
It's mission critical, you know.

576
00:29:57,996 --> 00:30:01,933
Yeah, I have a client
that if they software stopped working,

577
00:30:02,033 --> 00:30:03,067
they would be shut down.

578
00:30:03,067 --> 00:30:06,271
And that's not uncommon, you know, so

579
00:30:07,138 --> 00:30:09,574
some of the things that you probably are
a little more familiar with that

580
00:30:09,574 --> 00:30:12,944
use data centers are things like Netflix,
Disney+, YouTube.

581
00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:16,981
All of these different type of things
run off of cloud resources

582
00:30:16,981 --> 00:30:20,752
at a data center or collective
set of data centers somewhere.

583
00:30:20,785 --> 00:30:24,055
And companies
like Netflix actually will have software

584
00:30:24,055 --> 00:30:28,293
that will intentionally create
network problems to test the redundancy.

585
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:29,561
Does it feel over?

586
00:30:29,561 --> 00:30:32,063
Does it do what it's supposed to do
and that type of a thing?

587
00:30:32,063 --> 00:30:35,300
And I don't know that it would be possible
to run

588
00:30:35,366 --> 00:30:39,337
a model like Netflix
from your server room in your office.

589
00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:41,272
In fact, I'm quite sure it wouldn't.

590
00:30:41,272 --> 00:30:44,509
You would end up building your own data
center if you tried to do it that way.

591
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:47,545
And a lot of companies
do have their own data centers.

592
00:30:47,545 --> 00:30:50,915
So yeah,
the would be too heavy, wouldn't it?

593
00:30:51,916 --> 00:30:53,418
Well, yeah, too heavy of a workload.

594
00:30:53,418 --> 00:30:55,053
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

595
00:30:55,053 --> 00:30:57,155
Just think about what it really takes.
The stream of video.

596
00:30:57,155 --> 00:31:00,158
We used to work on that in the early 2000.

597
00:31:00,258 --> 00:31:01,359
Yeah. People.

598
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:05,263
And you needed a lot of resources
to be able to do it properly.

599
00:31:05,263 --> 00:31:08,833
And the thing of it is, is a lot of
that comes down to money, too.

600
00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:09,467
Could you do it?

601
00:31:09,467 --> 00:31:11,703
Yeah. Is it financially viable to it.

602
00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:12,270
Do it that way.

603
00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:13,471
No, of course not.

604
00:31:13,471 --> 00:31:15,673
There would be no reason to, you know.

605
00:31:15,673 --> 00:31:21,980
So applications, office 365, Salesforce,
zoom or some of the examples they give.

606
00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:24,482
All of these things
run out of data centers as well.

607
00:31:24,482 --> 00:31:27,452
So when you do your zoom call
that uses a data center.

608
00:31:27,518 --> 00:31:32,757
Now what's driving
growth and really has been pushing

609
00:31:32,757 --> 00:31:38,096
this along is the onset of AI, generative
AI and what you would call mechanical AI.

610
00:31:38,162 --> 00:31:40,131
All of these things
run out of data centers,

611
00:31:40,131 --> 00:31:42,901
and I can build my own
AI model here at my house.

612
00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:43,935
But to actually have it work,

613
00:31:43,935 --> 00:31:47,338
I need those resources
to be able to do the processing

614
00:31:47,338 --> 00:31:51,309
and have the back end power
that are needed for that.

615
00:31:51,309 --> 00:31:55,079
So when you look at it, one of the big
things that comes out of this is search.

616
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:56,714
And this is a good topic

617
00:31:56,714 --> 00:32:00,718
because this is something that
demonstrates the evolution of this stuff.

618
00:32:00,718 --> 00:32:02,921
Google, when it started, before

619
00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:06,691
that, things like AltaVista and Yahoo
and some of the other resources

620
00:32:06,691 --> 00:32:11,029
that were used for this,
it was a much smaller web in those days.

621
00:32:11,462 --> 00:32:14,465
And now if you do a search,

622
00:32:15,066 --> 00:32:17,535
you're searching
through billions of pages.

623
00:32:17,535 --> 00:32:21,172
Your search engine automatically ranks
the results, filters out

624
00:32:21,172 --> 00:32:24,475
spam, and now uses AI summaries for that.

625
00:32:24,475 --> 00:32:26,544
So if you go to Google and run a search
today,

626
00:32:26,544 --> 00:32:28,880
you'll get the sponsored stuff at the top.

627
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,250
You'll get an AI summary,
usually from Gemini in their case,

628
00:32:32,250 --> 00:32:35,720
and then you'll get the list like
you would have had before of the websites.

629
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,458
But even the list of the sites include sub
sites and different things like that.

630
00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:44,062
And you know, so there's a lot
more going on here than there used to be.

631
00:32:44,062 --> 00:32:48,399
And that's where AI has come in
and really changed things, you know?

632
00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:51,302
So what do you get out of that.
The search is faster.

633
00:32:51,302 --> 00:32:55,540
You get things like maps, recommendations
and all of that kind of a thing.

634
00:32:55,573 --> 00:32:57,241
Real time language translation

635
00:32:57,241 --> 00:33:00,745
is another one that relies on data centers
to be able to work properly.

636
00:33:01,479 --> 00:33:03,281
And these things are kind of cool.

637
00:33:03,281 --> 00:33:04,215
I have a HUD right now where

638
00:33:04,215 --> 00:33:07,218
I can look at a signing in any language,
and I'll see it in mine,

639
00:33:07,418 --> 00:33:11,189
but if I went offline with that hut,
I can assure you it wouldn't work.

640
00:33:14,225 --> 00:33:17,395
So where do you use data centers, Bill?

641
00:33:17,428 --> 00:33:18,196
Gretchen? I mean, you know,

642
00:33:18,196 --> 00:33:21,399
obviously the basic stuff like right now
is recording the show.

643
00:33:21,432 --> 00:33:22,467
We do,

644
00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:25,937
but there's a lot of locations where you
wouldn't have thought of it in the past.

645
00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:30,074
I'll give you one more in your book.

646
00:33:30,074 --> 00:33:31,242
Yeah.

647
00:33:31,242 --> 00:33:33,378
Publishing the book and watching TV.

648
00:33:33,378 --> 00:33:35,213
Yeah, yeah.

649
00:33:35,213 --> 00:33:38,549
Those are two things that we didn't used

650
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:42,520
to use for with need databases.

651
00:33:42,787 --> 00:33:45,189
Yeah. And in line.

652
00:33:45,189 --> 00:33:46,591
The thing of it is, is even today,

653
00:33:46,591 --> 00:33:50,061
if you watch over the air broadcast
television, which is still a thing

654
00:33:50,561 --> 00:33:51,829
there, you're still using a data center

655
00:33:51,829 --> 00:33:55,199
because they're sourcing their material
from some digital source.

656
00:33:55,299 --> 00:33:58,202
There's nobody with a film camera,
you know, going to satellite

657
00:33:58,202 --> 00:34:00,671
and having an analog signal
come back anymore.

658
00:34:00,671 --> 00:34:05,710
But now you can also get books,
you know, downloaded to your tablet.

659
00:34:05,743 --> 00:34:06,711
Yeah, yeah.

660
00:34:06,711 --> 00:34:09,881
Data center, you know, that
kind of a thing or runs through that.

661
00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:12,817
So there are a lot of advantages to this.

662
00:34:12,817 --> 00:34:16,788
And it kind of powers
the world as we live in today.

663
00:34:16,954 --> 00:34:20,291
But like anything else,
there are some problems that this creates.

664
00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:23,027
And the biggest one is power and water.

665
00:34:23,027 --> 00:34:28,232
So it's been in the news lately
where company X wants to build a big data

666
00:34:28,266 --> 00:34:33,037
center somewhere, and the local people
start reacting to that negatively.

667
00:34:33,638 --> 00:34:37,108
And there have been some problems where

668
00:34:37,942 --> 00:34:41,512
you look out there
and people's power grids doesn't work

669
00:34:41,512 --> 00:34:43,948
quite right because of the amount of power
these data centers are using,

670
00:34:43,948 --> 00:34:47,652
and they use a tremendous amount water
for cooling.

671
00:34:48,152 --> 00:34:52,156
Well, we're living in a time right now
where it's hotter.

672
00:34:52,156 --> 00:34:55,793
So just things like the number of people
running, air conditioning is pushing

673
00:34:55,793 --> 00:34:59,397
the power grid, electric cars, charging
at your house or pushing the power grid.

674
00:34:59,497 --> 00:35:02,033
Things are being upgraded,
but there is a limit

675
00:35:02,033 --> 00:35:03,534
to what this kind of stuff can provide.

676
00:35:03,534 --> 00:35:07,572
Now you put something on there
that in some cities uses as much power

677
00:35:07,572 --> 00:35:11,709
as the entire city
does to give a comparison.

678
00:35:11,909 --> 00:35:14,812
And unless you double the capacity
of the generators,

679
00:35:14,812 --> 00:35:18,783
the power grid itself and everything else,
you're going to start to have problems.

680
00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:21,786
So is this the reason why

681
00:35:21,786 --> 00:35:25,590
they're having concerns
in the town of Hillsboro?

682
00:35:25,857 --> 00:35:26,824
Yeah.

683
00:35:26,824 --> 00:35:27,592
Hillsboro, Oregon.

684
00:35:27,592 --> 00:35:29,760
And that's an example of one place.

685
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,798
And you see this
also in Tahoe, Lake Tahoe,

686
00:35:33,831 --> 00:35:36,901
they're having problems with it
because the power consumption,

687
00:35:37,001 --> 00:35:37,735
they're telling them now

688
00:35:37,735 --> 00:35:41,172
that they're going to have to completely
find a different supplier.

689
00:35:41,739 --> 00:35:42,640
That's good. Yeah.

690
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,643
That makes life easy,

691
00:35:45,877 --> 00:35:46,344
you know.

692
00:35:46,344 --> 00:35:48,312
And so what's happening with this?

693
00:35:48,312 --> 00:35:50,181
Well, first of all,
where do you get the power.

694
00:35:50,181 --> 00:35:51,082
And Bill.

695
00:35:51,082 --> 00:35:53,818
Like you just kind of hit spot on there.

696
00:35:53,818 --> 00:35:57,755
That's something that has to be considered
nuclear as an option, to the point

697
00:35:57,755 --> 00:36:01,259
that Microsoft bought their own nuclear
power plant to run their data centers.

698
00:36:01,893 --> 00:36:04,295
Now, that wouldn't have been something
you would have thought

699
00:36:04,295 --> 00:36:05,296
about a private company.

700
00:36:05,296 --> 00:36:06,731
I mean, the power companies,

701
00:36:06,731 --> 00:36:08,866
of course, are private companies
in some cases, and them.

702
00:36:08,866 --> 00:36:11,335
But what I mean is just ABC Corporation.

703
00:36:11,335 --> 00:36:11,602
Yeah.

704
00:36:11,602 --> 00:36:14,572
And part of our assets
is we own our own nuclear reactor.

705
00:36:15,106 --> 00:36:17,441
Yeah. Could possibly go wrong with that,

706
00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:21,078
Now, other

707
00:36:21,078 --> 00:36:25,082
companies have bought their own power
plants, like in Las Vegas.

708
00:36:25,082 --> 00:36:29,787
Didn't they own some of the casinos,
own their own power plants?

709
00:36:30,588 --> 00:36:32,223
I know you're in Nevada.

710
00:36:32,223 --> 00:36:34,425
I mean, was it
they own their own power plants?

711
00:36:34,425 --> 00:36:37,428
Or was it that they were sourcing
from specific places?

712
00:36:37,495 --> 00:36:39,096
Do you remember how that worked?

713
00:36:39,096 --> 00:36:42,099
I don't that that was a

714
00:36:42,934 --> 00:36:44,669
probably a while ago when that came up.

715
00:36:44,669 --> 00:36:48,472
So I don't remember completely
what Gretchen's talking about is

716
00:36:48,506 --> 00:36:52,777
there was a thing
and I do remember this, where big casinos,

717
00:36:52,777 --> 00:36:55,780
especially down in Vegas,
like MGM resorts,

718
00:36:55,813 --> 00:36:58,816
didn't want to buy from Nevada Energy,
which is a provider in Nevada

719
00:36:58,816 --> 00:37:01,586
and would actually come up
with a situation

720
00:37:01,586 --> 00:37:02,987
where they could buy
from another provider.

721
00:37:02,987 --> 00:37:04,989
Now, whether or not
they own the power plant, I don't know.

722
00:37:04,989 --> 00:37:06,257
And that's a good question.

723
00:37:06,257 --> 00:37:11,796
I know, I know, we can I
think there's a way that you can pick

724
00:37:11,796 --> 00:37:15,099
who use power supplied from
if you're a company or.

725
00:37:15,132 --> 00:37:16,100
Yeah, yeah.

726
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:17,034
And I remember

727
00:37:17,034 --> 00:37:19,637
they wanted to do exit fees and stuff
because the power is

728
00:37:19,637 --> 00:37:22,240
you're not running your own power
lines to the source.

729
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,376
You're still having to use
common infrastructure for stuff like that.

730
00:37:25,643 --> 00:37:28,613
So, you know, there's a lot
that would go along with that.

731
00:37:28,613 --> 00:37:31,616
But it is an issue
and power in general is an issue.

732
00:37:31,716 --> 00:37:36,120
But at the end of the day, if you don't
have power, you don't run these things.

733
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,958
And if you are doing something
that has such a big use of electricity

734
00:37:41,058 --> 00:37:44,695
that it supersedes the need of the people
that are normally using that power

735
00:37:44,762 --> 00:37:48,532
grid, I can see where people would have a
negative reaction to something like that,

736
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:49,934
you know? Yeah,

737
00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:52,403
it just says since

738
00:37:52,403 --> 00:37:57,041
many experts call AI the largest growth
in electricity demand in decades,

739
00:37:57,041 --> 00:38:00,778
and it is we've seen this a little bit
over the past few years.

740
00:38:00,811 --> 00:38:01,979
Electric cars are one of them.

741
00:38:01,979 --> 00:38:05,316
Crypto mining is another big one
that uses a lot, but that's a data center.

742
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:07,518
You know what you think about it really.

743
00:38:07,518 --> 00:38:11,656
So it is definitely a situation
where you've got the power.

744
00:38:11,656 --> 00:38:13,190
Then the other part is water.

745
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:14,859
You've got to keep all these computers
cool.

746
00:38:14,859 --> 00:38:18,095
And even in the days of the smaller ones
screeching, like you and I used to work

747
00:38:18,095 --> 00:38:21,632
with, like the one in Oregon here
that we would go to.

748
00:38:21,866 --> 00:38:27,271
Yeah, you had to have massive
cooling systems to be able to keep all

749
00:38:27,271 --> 00:38:31,275
of this stuff that produces a lot of heat
and still does even in the modern age.

750
00:38:31,375 --> 00:38:32,176
Cool.

751
00:38:32,176 --> 00:38:35,880
Because if it overheats, it stops working
and it can cause damage to things.

752
00:38:35,913 --> 00:38:38,516
You know,
even though you have a gaming machine

753
00:38:38,516 --> 00:38:41,118
you built and you have liquid cooling,
I believe on that.

754
00:38:41,118 --> 00:38:44,121
Yes. Now, does that use water
or is it a chemical?

755
00:38:44,588 --> 00:38:48,859
I believe it's a it's a mixture of water
and a chemical

756
00:38:48,893 --> 00:38:53,230
to make it non-electric or whatever.

757
00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:55,132
The term is. Non-conductive.

758
00:38:55,132 --> 00:38:57,001
Non-conductive? Yeah.

759
00:38:57,001 --> 00:38:58,836
And so you're looking at a system there.

760
00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:01,105
That one
machine has a requirement for water.

761
00:39:01,105 --> 00:39:02,740
Now you times that times

762
00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:05,376
the infrastructure required
to do all of these different things.

763
00:39:05,376 --> 00:39:08,813
And you're starting to see a lot of demand
for water use.

764
00:39:09,146 --> 00:39:12,583
And again you have some data centers
that use more water

765
00:39:12,583 --> 00:39:15,386
than the entire municipality
that they're in.

766
00:39:15,386 --> 00:39:18,022
And all of a sudden
you start having water shortages.

767
00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:22,793
It's almost too bad that they couldn't
use the heat generated by all

768
00:39:22,793 --> 00:39:28,799
these computers to run something else
that would generate electricity.

769
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:31,602
There are experiments being done in that.

770
00:39:31,602 --> 00:39:32,303
Oh, cool.

771
00:39:32,303 --> 00:39:36,974
Yeah, that is actually something
that's being researched in some places.

772
00:39:36,974 --> 00:39:39,076
There are some proof of concepts out
there.

773
00:39:39,076 --> 00:39:40,678
I'm not sure
if there's anything beyond that,

774
00:39:40,678 --> 00:39:44,315
but if anybody is familiar
with alternative uses of heat

775
00:39:44,315 --> 00:39:45,950
from data centers
or anything like this, right.

776
00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:50,421
And I'd love to learn
more about that and cover it, because

777
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:54,225
I know a couple of them are using that.

778
00:39:54,225 --> 00:39:57,294
It's where the heat is conducted
through an element

779
00:39:57,294 --> 00:40:01,031
that allows it to change it
into electricity directly.

780
00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:02,299
Right, right.

781
00:40:02,299 --> 00:40:04,301
I can't remember the actual name for that.

782
00:40:04,301 --> 00:40:06,937
My brain is died today, conducted

783
00:40:06,937 --> 00:40:09,673
at the very new technology, by the way,
that does that.

784
00:40:09,673 --> 00:40:13,377
Yeah, but I know it's it's
only a percentage of it

785
00:40:13,377 --> 00:40:17,148
return because, you know,
laws of conservation and stuff like that.

786
00:40:17,181 --> 00:40:19,283
Yeah. Well,
you're not going to have perpetual energy.

787
00:40:19,283 --> 00:40:22,153
If we had that,
this all wouldn't become a non-issue.

788
00:40:22,153 --> 00:40:23,587
We're not quite there yet.

789
00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:26,290
You know,
hopefully we will be at some point.

790
00:40:26,290 --> 00:40:29,226
But right now we're having to deal
with what we have to deal with

791
00:40:29,226 --> 00:40:31,228
and also with new technologies like that.

792
00:40:31,228 --> 00:40:33,097
You're also looking
at an existing data center.

793
00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:34,498
Do they want to pay to retrofit?

794
00:40:34,498 --> 00:40:37,701
You know, because that's another issue
really wants being built.

795
00:40:37,701 --> 00:40:40,704
Is it a proven technology
that we know we can rely on?

796
00:40:41,272 --> 00:40:43,340
Again,
you know, questions that have to be there.

797
00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:44,375
And the other thing is

798
00:40:44,375 --> 00:40:48,512
that I don't understand is why
they're building data centers in places

799
00:40:48,512 --> 00:40:54,418
like Arizona and Southern Nevada
and the Mojave Desert, to name a few.

800
00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:59,790
I'm assuming it's because there's large
tracts of land that are open.

801
00:41:00,191 --> 00:41:02,760
There's a reason why there's large
tracts of land that are open.

802
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,028
There's no water.

803
00:41:04,028 --> 00:41:04,462
Yeah.

804
00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:09,099
Now, the thing the next question would be,
are they using solar panels

805
00:41:09,099 --> 00:41:13,771
to help develop a, develop a or not?

806
00:41:13,971 --> 00:41:17,775
You know, some of the data centers,
those locally here

807
00:41:17,842 --> 00:41:22,713
have their own solar farms
or they're using other methods.

808
00:41:22,713 --> 00:41:24,048
I know of.

809
00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:26,517
One close here

810
00:41:26,517 --> 00:41:32,156
to Reno uses a solar farm, and it's also
pulling off of a geothermal plant.

811
00:41:32,256 --> 00:41:33,691
Yeah. Oh, cool.

812
00:41:33,691 --> 00:41:36,594
So see, and some of those things,
unfortunately that's the exception,

813
00:41:36,594 --> 00:41:37,695
not the norm at this point.

814
00:41:37,695 --> 00:41:40,931
But it's good to hear because
using alternative energy, it makes sense.

815
00:41:40,931 --> 00:41:41,899
Now, if you're in the middle of

816
00:41:41,899 --> 00:41:45,703
the Mojave Desert and put up a solar farm
and have all these tracks of land

817
00:41:45,703 --> 00:41:46,303
that are available

818
00:41:46,303 --> 00:41:49,306
because nobody wants to live there,
that actually totally makes sense.

819
00:41:49,573 --> 00:41:51,542
Still have to figure out
a way to get water if you need it.

820
00:41:51,542 --> 00:41:55,980
But conceivably,
if you could generate enough solar power,

821
00:41:56,013 --> 00:41:59,383
you would be able to use other
cooling solutions to than just water.

822
00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:02,386
So, you know,
some of that kind of makes sense.

823
00:42:02,386 --> 00:42:04,388
Unfortunately, that's not
what I've heard of them doing that

824
00:42:04,388 --> 00:42:06,957
you use solar power,
but not quite to that extent.

825
00:42:06,957 --> 00:42:10,094
And you know, so again.

826
00:42:10,361 --> 00:42:10,895
Good question.

827
00:42:10,895 --> 00:42:14,331
To have out there is
is there an advantage to doing this.

828
00:42:14,398 --> 00:42:17,134
Obviously the land's cheap.
You would have that right.

829
00:42:17,134 --> 00:42:20,137
And so I can see it from that standpoint
outside

830
00:42:20,137 --> 00:42:23,440
of the monetary perspective,
I could see there being other problems.

831
00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:27,011
And then the other thing of it
is that happens with these things is

832
00:42:27,344 --> 00:42:29,313
what happens
if something happens to the data center.

833
00:42:29,313 --> 00:42:32,917
So in the Iran war,
the Amazon Web Services

834
00:42:32,917 --> 00:42:36,053
facilities in the UAE was bombed.

835
00:42:37,254 --> 00:42:41,759
So and something
like that being a war time target,

836
00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:45,496
being a centralized area of information
exchange, I can understand where

837
00:42:45,496 --> 00:42:47,698
that would be something
you'd need to be concerned about.

838
00:42:47,698 --> 00:42:52,636
And it did happen, you know,
now Amazon Web Services is distributed.

839
00:42:52,636 --> 00:42:57,474
So if things are configured properly,
which is a big if in certain situations

840
00:42:57,474 --> 00:43:00,945
it should back up to another data center
that's still operating

841
00:43:00,978 --> 00:43:04,949
that we saw earlier in the year
when the Amazon Web Services

842
00:43:04,949 --> 00:43:08,218
on the East Coast of the United States
had some downtime.

843
00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:12,957
It what caused a situation where a lot of
things backed up to other data centers?

844
00:43:12,957 --> 00:43:16,026
But the programmers had set it up
so that the only place

845
00:43:16,026 --> 00:43:19,797
that you could do things like authenticate
your log on was US East.

846
00:43:19,997 --> 00:43:22,600
So if that data centers down,
it can be backed up wherever you want.

847
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,737
But if you don't have that log on system
replicated as well, you can't get to it.

848
00:43:26,737 --> 00:43:29,673
So who cares. You know. Yeah. Wow.

849
00:43:31,108 --> 00:43:34,912
But you know,
and bombing the data center is one thing.

850
00:43:34,912 --> 00:43:38,148
Hackers, malware, cyber attacks,
physical attacks, all these different

851
00:43:38,148 --> 00:43:42,453
things become very much an issue.

852
00:43:42,987 --> 00:43:45,823
You do not want some choke point.

853
00:43:45,823 --> 00:43:48,826
And you know, we saw this too.

854
00:43:48,892 --> 00:43:50,194
This goes beyond this.

855
00:43:50,194 --> 00:43:53,631
Just a little bit of an aside,
but it's the same kind of thought process

856
00:43:53,897 --> 00:43:57,868
is when the sabotage happened
at the power substation for London

857
00:43:57,868 --> 00:44:01,305
Heathrow Airport last year
and took the entire airport out,

858
00:44:01,305 --> 00:44:04,308
and they were supposed to have a backup,
but it didn't work.

859
00:44:04,942 --> 00:44:07,077
You know, a lot of people got in trouble

860
00:44:07,077 --> 00:44:10,180
for that one to imagine, you know.

861
00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:13,984
Now, on the other side of the coin,

862
00:44:13,984 --> 00:44:16,787
these are some of the negative things
that we have to deal with.

863
00:44:16,787 --> 00:44:21,158
But on the other side of the coin,
you're also looking at a situation

864
00:44:21,158 --> 00:44:25,462
where more computers network
together, are more powerful.

865
00:44:25,462 --> 00:44:28,532
And this is the case
in any kind of a situation

866
00:44:28,532 --> 00:44:31,869
where you have collective
computing capabilities like this.

867
00:44:32,002 --> 00:44:35,472
So the ability to do things
like actual generative AI,

868
00:44:36,306 --> 00:44:40,077
the examples given are medical research,
drug development, medical imaging,

869
00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:44,114
online learning,
you know, the list goes on, are all things

870
00:44:44,114 --> 00:44:47,951
that wouldn't be able to be done
with this kind of a situation.

871
00:44:47,985 --> 00:44:51,722
The other big one that I know
I use them for is backups.

872
00:44:51,722 --> 00:44:55,225
So in the day of hackers
and everything else,

873
00:44:55,459 --> 00:44:59,263
you have a situation where something like
malware gets into your system.

874
00:44:59,463 --> 00:45:01,398
Well,
the hackers know that you have backups.

875
00:45:01,398 --> 00:45:03,467
I mean, they're smart
enough to do the malware.

876
00:45:03,467 --> 00:45:05,102
They're not going to be stupid enough
to think that there's

877
00:45:05,102 --> 00:45:06,737
none of that stuff on the system.

878
00:45:06,737 --> 00:45:09,740
So if your backups are online,
they can get to that too.

879
00:45:10,474 --> 00:45:14,578
So using a data
center is a place to be able to back up

880
00:45:14,578 --> 00:45:17,748
these things too, and then disconnect
from the physical network

881
00:45:17,748 --> 00:45:22,152
until you need
it is a way to be able to strengthen that.

882
00:45:22,152 --> 00:45:24,788
And again,
that's requiring an off site situation.

883
00:45:24,788 --> 00:45:26,990
Plus,
if all of your backups are only on site,

884
00:45:26,990 --> 00:45:29,760
and even if you switch off the backup
after it's done.

885
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,030
Let's say you have a disaster at
your office in the building like a fire.

886
00:45:33,063 --> 00:45:34,064
Yeah, exactly.

887
00:45:34,064 --> 00:45:34,598
Yeah.

888
00:45:34,598 --> 00:45:37,634
So you kind of really need both solutions
to really

889
00:45:37,634 --> 00:45:40,671
have that being done properly, you know?

890
00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:46,844
So that being said,
what is the future look like for this?

891
00:45:46,877 --> 00:45:49,880
Well, one of the things we talked about
was nuclear energy

892
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,050
and being able to come up with carbon
free power.

893
00:45:53,317 --> 00:45:56,253
Gretchen,
you brought this up with solar panels.

894
00:45:56,253 --> 00:45:59,590
These kind of directions are going to help
with this advanced cooling

895
00:45:59,857 --> 00:46:02,292
using new approaches
and that type of a thing

896
00:46:02,292 --> 00:46:05,696
that are out there
that are being developed

897
00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:07,197
that we can deep dive into,

898
00:46:07,197 --> 00:46:08,899
that I don't know enough
about the different kinds

899
00:46:08,899 --> 00:46:12,870
of new cooling systems to really be able
to, nor do we have the time of day,

900
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:15,873
but there are things being developed.

901
00:46:15,906 --> 00:46:19,243
The other thing of it
is, is instead of the giant centralized

902
00:46:19,243 --> 00:46:21,945
locations, decentralized,
and so you have more regional centers

903
00:46:21,945 --> 00:46:26,583
that can break up the power demand
and also not have a physical location.

904
00:46:26,583 --> 00:46:29,586
That is one spot
that if you happen to end up in a war

905
00:46:29,586 --> 00:46:33,023
area, is going to, you know, get bombed
or have something like that happen.

906
00:46:34,024 --> 00:46:34,958
The other thing of it,

907
00:46:34,958 --> 00:46:35,959
too, and this is one of the

908
00:46:35,959 --> 00:46:38,962
things that I like about it,
is something called edge computing.

909
00:46:38,996 --> 00:46:40,831
And what this ends up doing.

910
00:46:40,831 --> 00:46:43,801
And Amazon Web Services, again,
I use it as an example,

911
00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:46,036
just because they're the service
I use for a lot of things

912
00:46:46,036 --> 00:46:49,373
is I have a server location
where, let's say I have a website,

913
00:46:49,373 --> 00:46:51,675
but it needs to be accessed
from all over the world.

914
00:46:51,675 --> 00:46:55,312
So I update the one website
wherever it stored, and then their system

915
00:46:55,312 --> 00:46:59,950
automatically replicates that to locations
that are closer to the users.

916
00:46:59,983 --> 00:47:03,320
So in other words, let's say that you're
listening to our show in the UK

917
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,323
and somebody else is in Canada
and somebody else is wherever.

918
00:47:06,323 --> 00:47:09,827
When you listen to the file,
it might actually be being sent to you

919
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:13,997
from somewhere close,
like your data center in the UK,

920
00:47:14,031 --> 00:47:17,034
even though it was uploaded
to the one in Canada,

921
00:47:17,201 --> 00:47:19,203
and it will automatically be able to do
that.

922
00:47:19,203 --> 00:47:20,070
So, you know,

923
00:47:20,070 --> 00:47:23,273
that's a question that definitely is
something that should be answered,

924
00:47:23,273 --> 00:47:26,310
but it's a direction
they're going in and something that

925
00:47:26,310 --> 00:47:29,313
we are seeing as a

926
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,416
definite direction.

927
00:47:32,416 --> 00:47:36,186
So like anything else with technology,
the technology itself is very benign,

928
00:47:36,186 --> 00:47:39,122
but it's what you do with it
and it's how you implement it.

929
00:47:39,122 --> 00:47:42,359
And I think part of what's happened
is this initial data centers

930
00:47:42,359 --> 00:47:43,760
just kind of built up

931
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,162
where they were and got bigger and bigger,

932
00:47:45,162 --> 00:47:47,631
which is why we have a lot
of the centralized facilities.

933
00:47:47,631 --> 00:47:50,500
And going forward,
we're seeing a lot of the decentralization

934
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:54,504
that takes the load off the power grid
from all one spot, that kind of thing,

935
00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:58,775
you know, and be able to develop this
in a way that it will work better.

936
00:47:58,842 --> 00:48:03,714
And maybe new thinking is required
for when they build these facilities.

937
00:48:03,947 --> 00:48:04,381
Yeah.

938
00:48:04,381 --> 00:48:08,418
Yeah, I, I think that going forward,
definitely

939
00:48:08,418 --> 00:48:11,655
the engineering and all that kind of stuff
is going to be important.

940
00:48:11,655 --> 00:48:12,055
And, you know,

941
00:48:12,055 --> 00:48:15,158
one thing you could do for
AI and it's just a thought is

942
00:48:15,192 --> 00:48:18,629
instead of having it all in one spot,
you have each node that uses the

943
00:48:18,629 --> 00:48:21,999
AI have a little bit of the computing
capability on a distributed system.

944
00:48:21,999 --> 00:48:26,003
And what would happen
is as your nodes grew, you would

945
00:48:26,003 --> 00:48:28,972
automatically be increasing the amount of

946
00:48:29,072 --> 00:48:32,175
computer capability for the AI to run on.

947
00:48:32,175 --> 00:48:34,878
And the
AI might become self-aware and sentient.

948
00:48:34,878 --> 00:48:36,747
But that's just
one of the things that could happen.

949
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:40,017
You know, with generative
AI any day of the week.

950
00:48:41,218 --> 00:48:44,221
Making a face.

951
00:48:45,222 --> 00:48:45,722
Anyway,

952
00:48:45,722 --> 00:48:48,659
since your questions and your comments,
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953
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954
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955
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956
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