Welcome back to the Maya Games.
Speaker AThis episode is part two in what I think will be an 11 part series on the astrology of 2026.
Speaker AI'm collaborating with 10.
Speaker AI think of my peers, friends, teachers, in some cases students and former students, fellow astrologers who mostly are also fluent in the language of human design and many of which are also looking at kairos time unfolding through the lens of the global cycles.
Speaker ASo study and the key change taking place in 2027 in the last episode, part one of the series.
Speaker AIn episode 32 of the Maya Games, I introduce the intention, the invitation of this series.
Speaker AAnd other than that introduction, I think these conversations can be listened to in or out of order.
Speaker AAnd of course even the introduction isn't necessary.
Speaker ABut if you want to hear me set the tone for what will take place, what might take place as the rest of the conversations unfold, give that intro conversation that I recorded with Amalia a listen.
Speaker ATo borrow a phrase from that first episode, Amalia used the words romancing the planets.
Speaker AAnd that is.
Speaker AThat's a large part of the intention of the series.
Speaker AAnd this conversation that I have with my friend Ariana Felix is the first in chronological time of the conversations in which we're really going deep into and romancing the role that one particular planet plays in the interwoven orchestration of cosmic curriculum this year and beyond.
Speaker AIn this conversation, Ari and I dig deep into Mars.
Speaker AThis conversation, being the first of the planetary conversations for me, was not intended and in fact made me.
Speaker AIt kind of threw me.
Speaker AIt kind of threw me off and got me a little nervous.
Speaker AAnd I talk about that a bit at the beginning of the episode with Ari.
Speaker ABut I'm so glad it ended up working out this way because as Ari reoriented me a few days ahead of us recording this conversation, Mars is a.
Speaker BIs a ruler.
Speaker AMars this year is not just a player, but a ruler.
Speaker AMars is in charge.
Speaker AMars in Charge was my alternate title for this episode.
Speaker AAnd so it actually was really helpful for me to calibrate to that.
Speaker AWhat does it mean for Mars to be in charge this year as a foundation for some of the other conversations I've since had and will have moving forward.
Speaker AAri is a perfect person to have this conversation with.
Speaker AAri is, like me, a native whose sun is ruled by Mars.
Speaker AAri has Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto all in Scorpio, and I have Sun, Mercury and Venus in Aries.
Speaker ABut you can really feel the depth that Ari brings to this conversation and also to an understanding, an assimilated, integrated, embodied understanding of the functionality of Mars in both their life and their work and their teaching, and also in their influence of me as a teacher and a friend and in the depth that they bring to this conversation.
Speaker ASo I'm so so grateful that Ari brings the generosity of their own understanding of Mars and their presence and their individuated knowing to this series as well as to my life in general.
Speaker AMany of you have heard me talk about how in 2020 I moved to the desert where I live now on my Pluto Ascendant line and I've just been in this period of intense hermitude isolation shadow work here.
Speaker AAnd yeah, my friendship with Ari has paralleled that.
Speaker AI got to know Ari shortly after moving here.
Speaker AAri helped me through a really challenging situation and and has remained a teacher, a guide, a very close valued friend and a powerful mirror for me.
Speaker AAri not only has all of this martial influence from the other side, the Night Sect, maybe more mature side of Mars, the the side of Mars with a bit more depth perhaps than the simple local youthful Aries version of it that I radiate, but Ari is also a Leo rising.
Speaker AAnd so there's a real, there's a real theme of individuation that I just have to say radiates again that radiates that permeates through Ari's work, knowledge, essence, teachings.
Speaker AAnd as you'll hear Ari and I discuss, individuation is a prime motivator, a prime demand, perhaps a primary task this year.
Speaker AAnd so I'm really grateful that Ari graced me and you listeners with with their embodied wisdom in this conversation.
Speaker AAri's work currently lives exclusively on Substack.
Speaker AYou can go to arianafelix.substack.com to read their writing.
Speaker AI'll also link that in the show notes.
Speaker AAnd I also want to remind listeners of a couple topic relevant and time relevant offerings from me which include education, both free and otherwise on Global cycles and the 2027 shift, as well as an invitation to join Amalia and I and members of my community the Orbit Field in Ascendant Assemblies this year.
Speaker ASo first 2027 Ari and I don't get too into it in this conversation, but as I'm recording this, I've already had my conversation with Jonathan Ko on Chiron and my conversation with Jessa Reed on Neptune.
Speaker AAnd Jonathan and Jessa are both really well versed in the 2027 stuff.
Speaker AAnd so the next two conversations to come really embrace a dance back and forth between using the technology of the language of astrology and using the technology of the language of Global Cycle's key changes.
Speaker ASo if you are listening and you're interested in that, even in just having like a little bit of a sense of what the hell we're talking about so that it doesn't sound like gibberish to you, and or interested in having another lens to understand the really significant unprecedented shifts that are happening on the planet and in the process of human evolution.
Speaker AJust want to remind you that I do have a free workshop.
Speaker AIt's over three hours.
Speaker AIt's called called 2027101 the very basics of Global Cycles Mechanics.
Speaker AAnd it's very the first hour of it is very dry.
Speaker AIt's just showing you the mechanics of locks and keys so that listeners can understand what I and my friends and peers and fellow Maya commentators are talking about when we speak that language.
Speaker AAnd then after about an hour it starts to get more into the feel of it.
Speaker ASo you can even skip the first hour if you just want to get to like the translation part.
Speaker ABut if you're curious to understand where this is coming from and how it's reflected in physical reality in the procession of the equinoxes, that is also a resource available for free in the first hour of that workshop.
Speaker AYou can find that workshop by going to my patreon patreon.com kelseyrosetort and hitting the Collections tab.
Speaker AAnd then I have a free collection where you'll see that workshop.
Speaker AThat's the easiest way to find it.
Speaker AI think you could probably also search 2027 or something, but that's how I know to find it.
Speaker AI'll also link it in the show notes, and I'm not entirely sure I'm going to leave that up for free, just being honest, because it's a vulnerable share for me.
Speaker AI think I will, at least for the duration of this series, but it's possible that I will remove it from being free at some point.
Speaker AEven then it will be accessible through the $15 tier of my Patreon, which is called the Solarium.
Speaker AAnd the Solarium is also the tier that gives you access to Ascendant Assembl.
Speaker AAmalia and I talk about a lot towards the end of the last episode, but if you are looking to have a communal space to be in process with how the astrology of this year is unfolding for you personally with folks who are experiencing a similar juxtaposition of the transits onto their individual life.
Speaker ASo folks of the same elemental rising sign as you, that's what we're going to be gathering for and facilitating in the Ascendant Assembly's calls, which happen quarterly this year for folks on the solarium tier and beyond.
Speaker AAnd the first round of those are going to happen just ahead of the spring equinox on March 7 for two of the pairs of rising signs, and March 14 for the other pair.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker AAnd for now, Mars in 2026.
Speaker CEnjoy.
Speaker BSo let's start with what's here now.
Speaker AHow are you feeling?
Speaker BLet's just attune to each other in the moment.
Speaker BDo you want me to go first, or do you want to go first?
Speaker CI'd love you to go first.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BI was telling Ari before we hit record that I've been feeling, like, kind of on the edge of weepiness a lot, but in a way that feels, I think, good.
Speaker BLike, kind of comforting.
Speaker BI've been prescribing.
Speaker BPrescribing, Associating.
Speaker BThat's a better word, with the Neptune egress and ingress.
Speaker BSo perhaps it's that, perhaps it's many things.
Speaker BBut, yeah, I had, like, a really potent experience yesterday morning.
Speaker BVery innocently, didn't plan to.
Speaker BI didn't even know what time the ingress was until I was reading something online and then just like, yeah, it was really surrounded by an experience, like, permeated by a really intense, energetic experience.
Speaker BAnd then, yeah, it's taken many shapes since the moment yesterday where I was feeling really clear and inspired and good.
Speaker BBut there's still just a potency of emotion.
Speaker BAnd maybe y' all saw my reel about my freedom nap yesterday.
Speaker BWell, that was great.
Speaker BSalima transferred to her crib for the first time in a couple months for me.
Speaker BAnd so it was like, literally the first time I had a little stretch of bodily autonomy midday on my few days a week that I'm in stay at home mom mode.
Speaker BBut then she proceeded to be awake for three hours in the middle of the night, so.
Speaker BSo I'm tired.
Speaker BSo that's the other piece of what's here.
Speaker BBut I'm kind of grateful a little bit, or at least accepting of the slight sleep deprivation haze because I was feeling nervous about this convo and now, yeah, my energy, my nerves are a little dull just from being tired.
Speaker BSo we'll take the sleep deprivation bonus.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BHow are we finding you?
Speaker CI'm snowed in with my fiance, and that's been really, really nice.
Speaker CI was telling you that we've, or we haven't even told him this, but I've been calling it dysregulation station since Mars Entered Aquarius and has been approaching Pluto.
Speaker CWe've both been pretty sensitive and a little edgy and a little reactive really, to just pull out a very traditional Mars signification.
Speaker CBut there's been this really cool, which this is Pluto, kind of like any outer planet, I think, speeds things up and slows things down simultaneously.
Speaker CSo I feel like Pluto kind of magnifies what's happening.
Speaker CSo you can see it even as it's happening very quickly with Mars.
Speaker CAnd so an Aquarius is so detached.
Speaker CSo we're recording this on Mars Pluto conjunction Aquarius, which is the first super significant contact that Mars is having with an outer planet this year.
Speaker CBecause we did have an already early January.
Speaker CWe already had a very significant Mars transit for 2026, which was its exalted cazimi.
Speaker CSo anyway, jumping ahead a bit, but all of this informs this moment where we've been snowed in together with this energy.
Speaker CAnd it's been really nice to just have the time and the space.
Speaker CFortunately, he didn't have to go to work, so we've just been able to like, notice what comes up, attend to it, and move on and like, enjoy the pleasure of each other's company.
Speaker CAnd so I feel very like.
Speaker CI don't know.
Speaker CAnd something about like, you know, fresh almost foot of snow.
Speaker CI did feel very renewed.
Speaker CAnd I was thinking about what you were saying about feeling weepy and like we've both been feeling that way and we both cried multiple times the last several days.
Speaker CAnd I'm like, oh, it's kind of like emotional sweating, you know, like, that's Mars.
Speaker CBecause like, you know, you had said before hopped on like, oh, you're not triggered or you're not.
Speaker CLike, it's not a wallowing kind of thing.
Speaker CIt's very like sensorial.
Speaker CIt's very primal.
Speaker CIt's very physical.
Speaker CAnd so it's like, yeah, this discharge, this like Martian discharge emotionally because emotions are energy in motion through the body.
Speaker CSo Mars has a lot of influence there.
Speaker CSo I've literally been kind of in a very Mars, Pluto, Aquarius boot camp this weekend that's going to Zach today.
Speaker CAnd today I'll go back to my apartment and we'll kind of leave this conjunction dysregulation station.
Speaker CYes.
Speaker CBut I feel good.
Speaker CI feel like.
Speaker CI feel like I've been like doing emotional workouts, like, and like very Aquarius, like regulation workouts the last several days.
Speaker CAnd in this like, structure of containment.
Speaker CSo, yeah, that's how I guess it's still none of that says anything really about how I'm feeling.
Speaker BBut I know it does.
Speaker CIt does great.
Speaker CThere's just a lot of.
Speaker CA lot of content.
Speaker BPerspiring is my update after that.
Speaker CShare.
Speaker BI am perspiring emotionally.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThere was something that you said, working.
Speaker BI can't remember your exact words, but it was like, working through things quickly.
Speaker BThat theme has been really present in the last, like, stretched over some time, but then especially in the last, like, like.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYesterday morning I was having a conversation with some folks and.
Speaker BOh, let me go a little back in time.
Speaker BSo this is something I've been watching myself feel shame about for a few months, is how quickly I emotionally process through stuff.
Speaker BAnd I see it like, astrologically, I see it as like my first house, sag moon, Trine, all my Aries shit ruled by a Mars in Gemini.
Speaker BLike, I'm just feeling fast.
Speaker BLike.
Speaker BAnd I'm impatient is also it.
Speaker BI'm impatient and I'm fast motivated.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd so, like, I don't have a lot.
Speaker BI don't have much tolerance for discomfort.
Speaker BAnd so when there's discomfort, I tend to it.
Speaker BYou know, shared some of my astrological reasoning for that cross of upheaval in human design 3955, which.
Speaker BThe 39 is part of that cross, that emotional provocation channel.
Speaker BBut yeah, I've.
Speaker BI've just been noticing.
Speaker BI don't know if I. I don't.
Speaker BI think I do have some.
Speaker BI've had some shame about just the speed at which I process through stuff because sometimes it makes me feel unrelatable.
Speaker BLike, unrelatable when people are processing through stuff at a different speed.
Speaker BAnd it makes me wonder, am I doing it wrong?
Speaker BIs it okay for me to be here with this?
Speaker BBut then I also think lately I've been feeling shame about acknowledging that I process through things quickly.
Speaker BLike, as though that means something about me that I shouldn't be saying out loud or something.
Speaker BAnd anyways, I don't mean to go here necessarily, but it came up yesterday morning because I was checking in with some folks on our discord on the orbit field.
Speaker BDiscord.
Speaker BAnd I was just like, how are we?
Speaker BAnd I was noting, like, I was feeling myself get kind of pulled, having one of my moments where I kind of feel.
Speaker BI've been explaining it lately as like, my defined spleen is going off and it's like, pay attention.
Speaker BAnd I get kind of back in the news cycle again.
Speaker BNot in a way that feels like, bad.
Speaker BIt's like my spleen, my body's like, Alert.
Speaker BLet's pay attention now in a way that's different than I do in my day to day life.
Speaker BAnd so, yeah, I was just like checking in with where people were at with that and sharing a little bit about where I was at.
Speaker BAnd two people reflected in their shares without me having said anything about it, that they felt themselves process through stuff much more quickly than they would have before and hold it differently and arrive differently.
Speaker BAnd I thought it was such a beautiful representation of this shift from Neptune in Pisces to Neptune in Aries.
Speaker BAnd I'm kind of seeing some connections too between what the Uranus in Taurus assignment has been and how that might support us in the Uranus in Gemini assignment, which we can or cannot get into.
Speaker BBut yeah, I think the thing I wanted to note and process aloud here and draw a connection around is that hearing two other people bring up that they notice this shift towards a faster assimilation and arrival to acceptance than they've experienced in the past.
Speaker BSomething in that was so validating for me and so encouraging for me.
Speaker BAnd I'm, I think, starting to see some connections between that being a theme not only this year, but like in the large scale of human evolution right now.
Speaker BAnd yeah, it just was really nice to see it reflected outside of me, to give a little context to my own experience and help me relax a little bit of my own insecurity that I feel curious about with that.
Speaker BAnd it doesn't not feel like Mars.
Speaker BIt doesn't not feel like a Mars thing.
Speaker CNo.
Speaker CYeah, I see it even beyond or before Neptune or any other planets.
Speaker CI see it as a Mars thing.
Speaker CBut, you know, that is substantiated by the fact that Neptune in Aries is ruled by Mars.
Speaker CSo we're entering this era of Saturn and Neptune, who are such atmospheric influencers.
Speaker CYou know, they're both gonna be in Aries, which is ruled by Mars.
Speaker CSo the texture of all the significations that come with those two planets is going to be informed by what Mars is about.
Speaker CAnd I think that speed and I think the speed and acceleration, like how I see it from my vantage point is so Mars, Pluto, because that's what Pluto does.
Speaker CIt's like we're gonna amplify and exacerbate or magnify this.
Speaker CAnd we can also do the opposite.
Speaker CWe can minimize, you know, diminish, like reduce.
Speaker CBut whatever is happening happens fast.
Speaker CYou know, when there's that direct contact with a planet.
Speaker CAnd so when you have direct contact with Mars, it's like, it's interesting cause I'm thinking about this snowstorm.
Speaker CIt's taken, you know, quite a bit of land and it's taken over and there's all this snow.
Speaker CBut the last layer of it was ice.
Speaker CSo it snowed for hours and hours, but then it just iced for hours and hours.
Speaker CSo there's like, the snow is very soft.
Speaker CIt's very, like powdery, dusty, or, you know, accumulative.
Speaker CBut the ice is a layer on top.
Speaker CAnd so you can literally walk on the snow without crushing into it because of that.
Speaker CAnd that's kind of how I see Aquarius.
Speaker CIt's just like we can just skate along here.
Speaker CYou know, there's enough of that perspective.
Speaker CThere's enough containment.
Speaker CThere's enough solidity with Saturn, Aquarius, that we can just kind of like things are so cooled down, you know, that we can see them in a more.
Speaker CThe best words that we usually have for it is objective or detached or, you know, spacious.
Speaker BNeutral.
Speaker CYeah, neutral way.
Speaker CBut what that actually, the conditions that, that actually facilitates are those of speed and momentum.
Speaker CWhen we're dealing with perspective.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CWhen we're dealing with Mars.
Speaker CSo, yeah, I see everything you shared is directly relevant to our conversation today because I think exactly what you brought up is like kind of the call to action.
Speaker CThis year is like, this year is about momentum.
Speaker CThis year is about Mars.
Speaker CAnd I love that we're starting the recording sequence with Mars because everyone's like Saturn, Neptune, and all these other things that are obviously important on their own, but rulership matters.
Speaker CAnd when rulership is delineated to an inner planet, the way that it operates is so much closer to home.
Speaker CYou know, Saturn in Pisces, ruled by Jupiter is just kind of like, okay, there's this big, long, slow thing occurring, right.
Speaker CBut Saturn, Neptune ruled by Aries, we're looking at Mars changing signs because there's no retrograde.
Speaker CThis year, this first initial year, Saturn, Neptune in Aries, Mars changing signs every like six to eight weeks.
Speaker CSo we're looking at like every arena getting boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Speaker CYeah, that's opponent.
Speaker CBoom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Speaker CYou know, like, so momentum with no mercy is how I would kind of summarize here.
Speaker CSo, yeah, being able to move the things quickly and get the fuck on is going to be not only an evolutionary byproduct of these conditions, but a necessity and imperative.
Speaker BYeah, I want to tell my little story here because it's what you just, you just landed at the.
Speaker BThe.
Speaker BWhat's the.
Speaker BThe line of the end of something like the finish Line.
Speaker BThe.
Speaker BWhen it's a joke.
Speaker BThe punchline.
Speaker COh, the punchline.
Speaker BOh, yeah, that's the word I was looking for.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BSo I was like, yeah, I got all in my head like a week ago.
Speaker BAbout a week ago.
Speaker BIs that when I reached out to you?
Speaker BNo, it was like, yeah, a little.
Speaker CLess than a week.
Speaker CI think it was.
Speaker CIt might have literally even been Mars ingress into Aquarius.
Speaker BBut that sounds right.
Speaker CYeah, we can fact check that later.
Speaker BI had recorded the first call with Amalia, and I was feeling even clearer about my intention and my having made space for this conversation of Ceres.
Speaker BI was feeling very grounded in it.
Speaker BAnd then I was feeling organically drawn to being in my process with some of the other planets.
Speaker BI'm really in chiron exploration right now.
Speaker BAnd that's the next convoy I'm going to record with Jonathan.
Speaker BAnd the Neptune stuff is obviously very here.
Speaker BAnd I kept being like, but I need to be thinking about Mars, because I'm talking to Ari first about Mars.
Speaker BLike, I need to get on the Mars track.
Speaker BAnd I just wasn't feeling organically inspired to think about Mars.
Speaker BAnd so I went through the steps of all the things I usually do that put me in a position of being able to passively process and passively simmer and passively source inspiration.
Speaker BAnd a lot of times what that is for me is I will like my left mind.
Speaker BI will find something to focus on and do a little research, do a little study, but usually very quickly.
Speaker BThen I'm like, okay, here's the thing, and I start flowing with it.
Speaker BAnd it just wasn't working for me with Mars.
Speaker BAnd so I started getting even more panicky.
Speaker BAnd I was like, is it weird to start with Mars?
Speaker BBecause the way I've thought about.
Speaker BAnd this is what I ended up in large part ended up voice noting Ari about was, for the last few years, the way I've really been orienting to looking at the quality of time.
Speaker BWhat some might call forecasting, like looking at a large chunk of time, is I go to the outer planets first, and I think of them as, like, the lower tones or the drones.
Speaker BAnd I see them as.
Speaker BWhat did you call them?
Speaker BAtmospheric influencers.
Speaker BAnd then I consider the midtones, Jupiter, Saturn, the nodes and then the upper tones, the personal planets, the luminaries, to be like the chord changes and the melodies that happen over those contexts.
Speaker BAnd so I was having a hard time because I hadn't taken my time yet to really sit with how I wanted to be with and to pull one Of Amalia's terms from the last episode Romance each of the planets.
Speaker BI hadn't taken my time to really romance Pluto, Uranus, Neptune, Saturn, Jupiter.
Speaker BYet in the way that I want to, I was like, mars, how does it fit in?
Speaker BAnd then I reached out to Ari and I was like, I think this is fine, but I'm nervous and I want to talk to you because I want to know how you're thinking about it.
Speaker BAnd I knew in that moment that I just needed to attune to you.
Speaker BLike, that's the thing I knew I needed to do.
Speaker BI was like, part of attuning to Mars will just be attuning to this person who is Mars and who I'll be talking about Mars with.
Speaker BAnd yeah, right away, Ari, I think you were texting as you were listening, so getting some your real time responses.
Speaker BAnd one of the first things that you said was, I think it's good and normal to be nervous about starting with Mars.
Speaker BAnd then you said, and you think it makes sense to start with Mars, which I think you've already articulated a bit, but I'll ask you to go back to that point in a moment.
Speaker BBut really what happened within the first few text messages that you sent me was you reoriented me immediately from Mars as a player to Mars as a ruler.
Speaker BAnd that just hadn't.
Speaker BOf course, I knew Mars is ruling some of the major astrology this year, but I was thinking about it in this other way that we could maybe say is outdated from the last few years where Mars really was a player and not a ruler.
Speaker BAnd so as soon as I read that text where you were drawing me into the role that Mars plays this year as the ruler of Saturn, in large part, and Neptune, my whole body relaxed and I think multiple things were happening there.
Speaker BI was also relaxing into letting go of whatever mental grasping I was doing that I had to know what was gonna happen and direct the convo.
Speaker BYou know, I was remembering that you're gonna be a really fitting conversation partner and I get to relax.
Speaker BMy second line gets to relax.
Speaker BSandwiched in between your first line and your third line, I knew you were gonna make that face.
Speaker CA salacious eyebrow raise for the listeners.
Speaker BAs soon as that sentence came to mind, I was like, yes, I will be going there.
Speaker BBut also it was just like, yeah, that felt so significant.
Speaker BAnd then that shift that I experienced in my orientation to Mars felt like such a perfect microcosm of what the orientation to Mars is this year.
Speaker BMars is not a player.
Speaker BThis year.
Speaker BMars is A ruler, Mars in charge.
Speaker BBut there were also other things you pointed out about why it feels fitting to you to start with Mars.
Speaker BAnd you scheduled this call.
Speaker BI told everybody I was gonna relax into the oracle of 10 person scheduling.
Speaker BAnd this is how it landed.
Speaker BAnd I'm so glad it did.
Speaker BBut it did make me really nervous at first.
Speaker BSo whether consciously or unconsciously or both or all of the above, you knew that the moment that Mars was applying to Pluto on Mars Day, as the first call was the one that this one needed to be.
Speaker BSo, yeah, I would love to hear you just talk a little bit about why it makes so much sense to start this multidimensional, multi layered conversation about the cosmic context this year with a focus on Mars.
Speaker CYeah, and thank you for that intro.
Speaker CAnd my answer to that question is also going to answer how I perceive Mars, obviously, because it's so inextricable.
Speaker CAnd we talked about it before we pressed record, but as you were saying it, and I was just kind of in passivity, I remembered very clearly that I did look at my calendar because I have Honeycomb Almanac and it has all the transits.
Speaker CSo when I was looking at the link of what days were available, I went to my gauge and looked at my calendar.
Speaker CI saw Tuesday Mars day.
Speaker CAnd then I was like, oh, Mars, Pluto highlighted because it's my Time Lord, so all my Time Lord transits are highlighted.
Speaker CAnd I was like, oh, perfect.
Speaker CSo, yeah, this is.
Speaker CMars.
Speaker CI love how you languaged it.
Speaker CMars shifting from just kind of doing its own thing and now being a ruler of these enormous, gigantic shifts.
Speaker CIt's like, you know, Terence McKenna and all the great psychonauts, you know, say that if you're not nervous before you take a hero's dose of shrooms, that you are arrogant beyond belief.
Speaker CYou know, and that's kind of how I feel about Mars in general.
Speaker CAnd I'll circle back to that in a moment.
Speaker CBut just to touch on Mars in the context of Saturn Neptune, this is taking a hero's dose of shrooms.
Speaker CLike, you're gonna be nervous.
Speaker CAnd the Saturn Neptune is the shrooms themselves.
Speaker CThe Mars is the taking of it.
Speaker CSo the Mars is the actual action of engaging with it.
Speaker CAnd, man, one thing Mars knows how to do.
Speaker CI always think of the glyphs, right?
Speaker CSo it's circle with an arrow just emerging out of it.
Speaker CIt's not just a line, it's an arrow.
Speaker CSo it's like it'll point and touch and poke and produce.
Speaker CAnd it wants embodiment.
Speaker CBut not in the lunar kind of luxurious way that we can talk about embodiment, but in the Martian way, the way where you go to the gym three to five times a week and weight train and gradually increase your load and rip and tear your muscle so that you can be strong.
Speaker CThat kind of embodiment.
Speaker CAnd so Mars is intense.
Speaker CAnd Mars.
Speaker CYou know, when I told about Mars in world building school before I went into retirement, I was always a little nervous.
Speaker CAnd I feel like people always kind of a little nervous engaging with it.
Speaker CBecause one, my lens of Mars is like very transmutational.
Speaker CAnd I look at Mars as a master of alchemy.
Speaker BPrimarily Mars conjuncts Mercury, Pluto and Scorpio.
Speaker CYeah, for the real concepts.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CYou know, and I really can't imagine it any other way, but even just on a, a principal level of like natural law, Mars is when the water breaks and you give birth, you know.
Speaker CSo one of the things I taught in world building school was the night sect.
Speaker CMoon, Venus, Mars as a sequence, not just as a team, not just as a group, but as a sequence of events.
Speaker CSo with Moon, we have conception, happens in the dark, right?
Speaker CDeep, deep, deep, deep inside, very small Venus pregnancy.
Speaker CAnd then Mars, the actual libra, the actual giving birth.
Speaker CAnd that even in the most relaxed, even in the most holistic, grounded birthing process, there's no taking Mars out of it.
Speaker CThere just isn't.
Speaker CThere's bleed, there's blood, there's breaking, there's crying, there's all of this, you know, screaming, grunting, moaning, pushing, contracting.
Speaker CThere's really just no better fucking analogy for what 2026 is in terms of Saturn, Neptune moving into Aries, being ruled by Mars, the one who breaks the water, the one who actually gives birth.
Speaker CWe've been feeling the Braxton Hicks contractions for years.
Speaker CThis is also part of why people are processing more quickly.
Speaker CUm, it's not just the weather right now, and it's not just the astrological shifts, but it's because the reps have been put in.
Speaker CLike there's.
Speaker CPeople have gained enough reps with certain things that at this point it's like, okay, we can just like, let's move to the part where we lock in because the muscle has been.
Speaker CThere's so many muscles that people have been strengthening for the last several years, you know, since the Saturn.
Speaker CSaturn, Pluto, you know, and, and then obviously 2020.
Speaker CSo, yeah, I think starting with Mars honors the fact that what's on the table is not just about Saturn and Neptune and not even just about Uranus, but about this like Martian feat of giving birth to the next world, which you know, people have been talking about for years, but now, like, like actually.
Speaker CAnd then like the actual mess of it and the actual, like if you didn't put the reps in, you're not going to be able to lift the 45.
Speaker CAnd that's just the fact.
Speaker CAnd you got to be relegated to something else, you know, and that harsh reality, you know, like the harsh reality of Saturn in Aries, as demonstrated by Mars, where it's like Mars the coach, the trainer, right, the athlete.
Speaker CMars doesn't give a fuck about your excuses or your justifications or your emotions.
Speaker CYou know, it's like that's all just like mind narrative over the body.
Speaker CSo let's get in the body and move.
Speaker BEspecially Saturn working under Mars's rulership doesn't give a fuck about those excuses.
Speaker BThat combination.
Speaker CYeah, exactly.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CYes, exactly.
Speaker CSo I think starting with Mars, it's not like random and it's not like weird.
Speaker CIt's not like, how does this fit?
Speaker CIt's actually.
Speaker CNo, Mars is the starting point.
Speaker CMars is the birthplace.
Speaker CMars is ultimately, because there's something interesting going on with Mars.
Speaker CThis year is not only that it rules Saturn, Neptune, but Mars has saturated some significant aspect with every single big shift that we have this year.
Speaker CI mean, astrology is insane because that's not fucking coincidental.
Speaker CMars could have been retrograde.
Speaker CMars could have been in a different sign sequence and not quite matched up with certain ingresses.
Speaker CIt could have been a different way, but it's not.
Speaker CMars is touching every single important thing that's going on this year.
Speaker CSo Mars is the planet that is like bringing things from the outer atmospheric level of the outer planets and into like this world.
Speaker BThis plane.
Speaker BThis body.
Speaker BThese bodies.
Speaker CYes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker CReal time application, you know, real time stakes and real time process, you know.
Speaker CAnd so Mars is, is.
Speaker CYeah, I love how you framed it that like.
Speaker CNo, it has been true that Mars hasn't had a rulership position in quite some time.
Speaker BMars has not been in charge and now Mars is in charge.
Speaker CMars is actually in charge, you know.
Speaker BA player and a ruler.
Speaker BReally.
Speaker BBecause I hadn't noticed what you said.
Speaker BI mean, I think I had noticed some that Mars is like around for a lot of major things.
Speaker BBut I didn't notice it to the extent that you just says, I just.
Speaker CWent through the whole year before a call, which is not something that's not like, I'm not a like linear prepper like that.
Speaker CBut I was like, no, I want to see what's going on.
Speaker CI just went week by week, every single month.
Speaker CKelsey, Mars is doing something major, you know, at a pivotal time.
Speaker CNot something like, oh, inevitably it's going to come along and conjunct this.
Speaker CIt's like, it's.
Speaker CIt's natural.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BThere's just, like, so much here.
Speaker BYou said astrology is insane.
Speaker BI'm like, having that moment as well.
Speaker BYou are like, one of the only two or I think maybe three people that are going to be on this series that.
Speaker BThat I have not 2027 rift with.
Speaker BLike, I know that's not.
Speaker BYou haven't really gotten deep into the 2027 stuff, which doesn't mean I won't be referencing it on this call.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BSorry, but the way that you're talking about, like, the gravity of the birth of this moment, like, I love how you don't even.
Speaker BLike, for me, the 2027 stuff is what shows me that in no uncertain terms and, like, validates that so clearly through every system in my body.
Speaker BBut I love how fucking clear you just made it through.
Speaker BTouching in on the astrology too.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI was getting so many chills hearing that, because that's the first time I've heard an astrological, like a purely astrological take that feels as potent and significant as what I'm registering in my mind, in my body.
Speaker CThank you.
Speaker CI don't mean to that way.
Speaker CYeah, I'm gonna take it as a huge compliment.
Speaker BNo, I think it's a compliment.
Speaker BI think an innocent accidental confidence.
Speaker CBecause it's a.
Speaker CIt's informed.
Speaker CLike the amount of gravity I'm able to put on Mars in this moment is informed by the way that I understand Mars, which I find to be rather, but not entirely uncommon among other astrologers.
Speaker CAnd so having the perspective and the relationship that I do with Mars allows me to understand.
Speaker CA few years ago, when I saw that we were having the Saturn Neptune thing, I understood from a different angle.
Speaker CAnd I think it's usually talked about what that meant because of the way that I relate and engage with Mars and what they've taught me.
Speaker CAnd so looking at Mars as the master of transmutation and alchemy.
Speaker CJust a shorthand, and obviously we'll keep getting more into it, but if you look at Mars like that, then you really understand what's on the table when big planets shift into Martian territory.
Speaker BI'm just checking a data thing real quick here.
Speaker COkay.
Speaker CAnd when you look at Mars as, like, the moment of giving birth, like, the Actual like labor pushing out the baby, pushing out the placenta, like that whole process.
Speaker BSo that's like part of what I want to get into.
Speaker BOkay, so one of the things that I did do when I was like in my mind mode of what does Mars have to show me?
Speaker BAnd searching for it.
Speaker BOne of the things I found that didn't feel like it was meant to be the main arc of the convo, but that did stick with me and has kind of offered me some little insights here and there that I feel relevant to this is I investigated the synodic cycle a little bit more.
Speaker BI investigated the last synodic cycle, Mars sun synodic cycle, this one that just started with the cazimi this month and the next one I'm like, I don't even know where to start because there's quite a bit here.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BWe can think about the Mars sun synodic cycle, that cazimi moment as like the new moon energy.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BThe start of the next Mars cycle.
Speaker BAnd these Mars cycles last two years and change like two years and two months.
Speaker BIsh.
Speaker CAnd.
Speaker BWe just restarted one.
Speaker BAnd was it January 17th?
Speaker CI think it was a little earlier than that.
Speaker BYeah, it was like ninth.
Speaker CNinth I believe.
Speaker BI think it was at 17 degrees cap.
Speaker BAnd that's why that number's in my head.
Speaker BSun conjunct.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CIt was also, you know, hard because it was such a long transit, like cazimi for a couple days.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BJanuary 9, 2026, at 19 degrees Capricorn.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd so just like a personal side note because it helps me ground into my experience.
Speaker BThe last cycle started November 17th.
Speaker BThat's where the 17 came from.
Speaker B2023.
Speaker COh, right.
Speaker CBecause that was in Scorpio.
Speaker CRight?
Speaker BIn Scorpio, yeah.
Speaker BAnd I found out I was pregnant six days after that.
Speaker BSo that whole last Mars synodic cycle was like, it was aligned with me being pregnant.
Speaker BAnd then everything.
Speaker COh, interesting.
Speaker CAnd then this, this synodic cycle starts and two weeks later, she's not sleeping contact.
Speaker BYeah, but she wasn't sleeping contact.
Speaker BThe whole.
Speaker BThis has just been like a couple month issue.
Speaker BThe contact, napping.
Speaker BSo it's not as.
Speaker COh, I see what you mean.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker CAnyway, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker BThat's okay.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BOne of the things that I was looking at when I was looking at the synodic cycle is we've just started one and along with like.
Speaker BSo we've just started one and it just happens so that this year that there is.
Speaker BYou mentioned this earlier.
Speaker BNo, retrograde.
Speaker BAnd the retrograde happens when the sun gets all the way opposite Mars.
Speaker BAnd that's where we have what we might.
Speaker BIf we're looking at it like a lunar cycle, what we might liken to the full Moon.
Speaker BMoon.
Speaker BSo Mars spends like a year and a little change, or the sun spends a year and a little change waxing away from Mars and then waning back towards it.
Speaker BAnd everything this year, everything in 2026 is the waxing energy of the Mars synodic sun cycle.
Speaker BIt started in Capricorn, it's currently in Aquarius.
Speaker BMars and the sun, they started together or.
Speaker BNo, Mars is still in cap.
Speaker BHuh?
Speaker BIt's in the very.
Speaker BIt's about a degree away from Aquarius.
Speaker BOh, no, sorry.
Speaker BMars is an Aquarius.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CI was like, wait, what day are we thinking?
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BThat's right.
Speaker B3, 3, 3 3.
Speaker BMars, Pluto, conjunction.
Speaker BI just time travel for a moment.
Speaker CYou could.
Speaker BOh, I was thinking about.
Speaker BI've been listening to Alakanon Diaz's rave New Year lecture.
Speaker BAnd so I've had the chart for the rave New Year, which is like it was January 21st.
Speaker BI've had that chart stuck in my head.
Speaker BCause that's like an imprint for the year, human design wise.
Speaker BAnd Mars is at like 2856 cap in that chart.
Speaker BSo there's like an imprint of that Mars on the whole year of exalted Mars in the very late part of Capricorn anyways, that is informing me.
Speaker BBut that's not what I meant to say.
Speaker BThe piece that I keep coming back to right now or that I was thinking about listening to you talk about the birth piece and the birth of the new world, the birth of the next era.
Speaker BAnd of course my 2027 alarms are going off is that I always think of the zodiac in these three trimesters.
Speaker BSo every time we move through the elements, it's a new trimester.
Speaker BSo Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer is trimester one, and then Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio is trimester two.
Speaker BAnd Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces is trimester three.
Speaker BSo every time you come back to fire, you're in a new trimester.
Speaker BAnd I've conceptualized the trimesters as like the third trimester is like the afterlife.
Speaker BThat's kind of how I think about it.
Speaker BYou get to the four signs in a row that are ruled by Jupiter and Saturn and you're kind of looking at things from the outside.
Speaker BYou enter the understanding, the assimilation phase, and then you do it all again.
Speaker BReincarnation begins again in Aries and So what that would mean is that reincarnation is bookended by the Mars signs, Aries and Scorpio.
Speaker BWe separate from one realm and enter the other in those signs.
Speaker BAnd so what was coming up for me as you're talking about the birth and the 2027 wires are crossing.
Speaker BI'm remembering that when I was looking at the synodic cycle for this new one that just started on January 9, got my date straight ish.
Speaker BNow that Mars started the year in Capricorn, the Cazimi happened in Capricorn.
Speaker BAnd it only gets to Virgo this year where it's starting to slow down before it will station, retrograde and spend its retrograde in Virgo and Leo.
Speaker BAnd so I'm thinking about how Mars doesn't complete its cycle this year.
Speaker BIt's only waxing this year, momentum building, waxing towards fruition, and it doesn't even reach its other more matured home sign, its preferred sect domicile.
Speaker BYou and I have talked a lot about the distinction between Aries, Mars and Scorpio.
Speaker BMars as an Aries sun and Scorpio sun.
Speaker BAnd yeah, Mars doesn't reach that point of maturation.
Speaker BMars doesn't leave this realm.
Speaker BMars will be born through the Cazimi and then again at the Aries ingress and ruling the major Aries conjunction of the year.
Speaker BBut Mars doesn't even reach that exit point in Scorpio.
Speaker BIt doesn't even reach its more maturized domicile home in Scorpio until 2027.
Speaker BSo yeah, there's just something for me with that, like the bookends of incarnation and like feeling into like the birth happens this year, but it's like it's unfinished this year.
Speaker BThis year is waxing, waxing, waxing towards the thing that finally maybe we begin to embody a little more holy.
Speaker BWe land more completely into the following year.
Speaker BAnd yeah, just thinking about that retrograde that we're gonna have, and I think it starts in January, ends in April of 2027.
Speaker BAnd I think actually the opposition of the sun from Mars happens within three or four days of the exact 2027 date.
Speaker BI think it's February 19th.
Speaker BAnd the 2027 global key change shift is February 15th.
Speaker COh, interesting.
Speaker CIt's so early.
Speaker BThe culmination is right there.
Speaker BAnd at the end of 2026, Mars is gonna be starting to slow down a little bit.
Speaker BBut for most of the year it's moving pretty quickly.
Speaker BSo yeah, just all the different ways of thinking about birth and life cycles were all kind of Stacked up for you just now?
Speaker CYeah, no, I love that the water broke this month, but the contractions will continue.
Speaker CIndeterminate amount of time, you know, as it is in real life, except because it's.
Speaker CWe're looking at systems, we can kind of estimate that around these other times next year, you know, the.
Speaker CThe pushing begins and finishes, you know, on.
Speaker COn a certain level.
Speaker BThere'S something else coming up for me that I don't have words for yet, but I feel like an energetic hit around it.
Speaker BMaybe you will feel it too.
Speaker BMaybe you'll have some words for it around that thing we were talking about earlier with like, we did.
Speaker BSo I brought it up as like the fast processing.
Speaker BAnd then you came back around to it with like, we've either done these workouts or we've not.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd I'm thinking about Mars and Scorpio was the last cazimi.
Speaker BYou know, Scorpio being fixed water, the potential.
Speaker BI always talk about.
Speaker BYou know, people talk about Scorpio as being this alchemical point and.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BBut I like to offer also that Scorpio has the potential for that alchemy because it has the staying power to be with the stuff, but it also is fixed.
Speaker BSo there has to be the whatever, the X factor, the willingness, the movement, the awareness, the grace, the integration to actually move through it instead of just stay with the muk.
Speaker BLike Scorpio on its own doesn't necessarily promise the alchemy, but it creates the conditions for the composting for the alchemy.
Speaker BAnd so just for myself, I've been reflecting because that Mars Scorpio Cazimi was pregnancy for me.
Speaker BAnd Scorpio is my 12th house.
Speaker BAnd pregnancy, I think for many people and definitely for me was this crash course and surrender.
Speaker BThere was so much surrender, so much shadow work, so much alchemy that didn't originate in my experience of pregnancy.
Speaker BBut pregnancy was like a place where I really.
Speaker BPregnancy and the beginning of parenthood were like a place where it was like, for me, it was like, thank God I have exercised these surrender muscles.
Speaker BLike, thank God that I have done what I have done to be able to be here now and be with what's here now and alchemize what's here now.
Speaker BAnd so that had me wondering on a larger, more universal scale the significance of Mars in Scorpio being the last cazimi, the start, the imprint for the last Mars sun synodic cycle and then Mars in Capricorn now.
Speaker BAnd it has me thinking about birth again, per what you've brought up and Capricorn being cardinal Earth and this next Mars cycle that we're now in, that we're freshly in, that we're waxing through all of 2026 being where that alchemy that happened on a more individual, eternal soul process plane, the birth that's now coming through is sextile to that two signs away in Capricorn on the movement on the Earth plane.
Speaker BMovement on collective agreements.
Speaker BEspecially because it's Mars.
Speaker BSuch a personal planet in Capricorn, such a more globalized, collective oriented sign like each of us as individuals, locally in every sense of the word, locally carrying forward the new world in these physical ways, challenging the structures, creating new structures, creating new agreements, relationality.
Speaker BAll the things that come with Earth.
Speaker BAll the things that come with.
Speaker BIn my purview that third trimester Saturn ruled sign physicality.
Speaker BYeah, I'm not articulating what I'm feeling, but just the Capricorn Cazimi cycle, building on the Scorpio Cazimi cycle and all of the alchemical work that happened in the, the last two years and change showing up on the Earth plane.
Speaker CExactly.
Speaker BOn the cardinal Earth plane now.
Speaker CYeah, I love that.
Speaker CI feel like that tracks for sure.
Speaker CEspecially when you zoom out a bit, you know, like it may not apply for everyone.
Speaker CWe are very Martian people, so it might be more peripheral.
Speaker CBut yeah, I love that the.
Speaker CIt's time for implementation and integration, you know, But I mean that in such a, you know, for, for HD.
Speaker CI mean in such a 3420 way, you know, which is part of that 2027 shift where I'm just like, just being in the now.
Speaker CLike, I don't mean like no sit in the corner and integrate, you know, or let's, let's do XYZ prescribed actions to implement.
Speaker CNo, I just mean like just be in the now.
Speaker CAnd that's what Mars requires, you know, like that's what it's about is being in the now.
Speaker CIt's the exaltation of the sun.
Speaker CAries specifically.
Speaker CThis is where this fear holds.
Speaker CThe exaltation of the sun, which is about presence and about now ness.
Speaker CAnd so that Martian power is what sustains it.
Speaker CEven the exalted sun is ruled by Mars.
Speaker CThe sun is exalted when it's ruled by this ability to just keep cutting through the bullshit, keep cutting through the excess, keep cutting through even just a natural growth.
Speaker CYou know, if you want to like harvest something in a garden or in a field, you have to cut, you have to prune, you have to remove.
Speaker CYou know, it's just a part of the natural process.
Speaker CIt doesn't have to be harrowing.
Speaker CIt doesn't have to be loss.
Speaker CIt doesn't have to be unnecessarily violent, though, you know, obviously it often is.
Speaker CBut it's natural law that there's cutting and there's purification and there's removal and there's severance and to zoom out of the zodiac a little and just look at Mars on its own as this master of transmutation, alchemy.
Speaker CIt's like wherever Mars is, and that's important for this year because Mars will go through half the zodiac, essentially, from Capricorn to Virgo.
Speaker CWherever Mars is, it's doing alchemy.
Speaker CIt's doing transmutation with those tools.
Speaker CMars in Aries and Mars in Scorpio as its rulership, and then Mars in Capricorn.
Speaker CExaltation, obviously, has very, like, a lot to show us about what that means, what transmutation and alchemy mean and how they work.
Speaker CBut Mars is doing that no matter where it's at, just with the tools that it's given in that environment.
Speaker CAnd I think that's the kind of all the way down bottom line that I'm looking at this year is that Mars, as it moves through from Capricorn to Virgo in 2026 in rulership of the Saturn Neptune conjunction, it's really bringing us to this bottom line of what needs to be severed and what needs to be repaired.
Speaker CYou know, surgery is very martial.
Speaker CYou know, removal of infection is very martial.
Speaker CA lot of medical and medicinal things are actually very martial.
Speaker CYou know, like, a lot of, like, radical healing is extremely martial.
Speaker CYou know, if I want to, like, improve my lower lumbar injury, I have to, like, go to the chiropractor and get, like, you know, fucked up, and I have to go to the gym and get fucked up, and I have to do all these hard things in order to structurally improve my body.
Speaker CAnd I feel like that's the bottom line of Mars is Mars is deeply, deeply medicinal.
Speaker CA lot of what we consider alchemical processes, creative processes, change processes, have Martian significations, you know, but we're not.
Speaker CWe're often looking at, like, the more palatable planets when it comes to healing and repair.
Speaker CAnd I think that makes sense because, you know, I personally know very few people who actually deeply, deeply engage in the art of alchemy on a, like, profound, not just theoretical level.
Speaker CAnd this constant, like, dying and rebirthing, which, you know, if you pay close Attention.
Speaker CThose are themes that Aries and Scorpio both share.
Speaker CYou know, like Aries through its relationship with the sun and this idea of like, dying and being born again.
Speaker CAnd then Scorpio, obviously is probably its most popular modern signification.
Speaker CDeath, rebirth.
Speaker BAnd so thank you for giving credit to my sign for also dying and being born again.
Speaker BI do feel.
Speaker BI do feel like people don't.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker CMars separate.
Speaker BThe gravity of that.
Speaker CYeah, exactly.
Speaker CAnd that's.
Speaker CThat's a perfect example of.
Speaker CWhat I mean is that people don't fully understand Mars because if you fully understand Mars, you look at Aries very differently and you understand that Aries is also a transmutational machine.
Speaker BI feel like I've always connected to that through.
Speaker BAnd you've heard me say this before because you and I have connected a lot on the Aries.
Speaker BPisces overlap.
Speaker BWhat's there in ways that we both.
Speaker BYeah, really feel into that.
Speaker BAnyways.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI always say in defense of Aries as an Aries would be that Aries, better than any other sign, remembers the full integrated lessons of Pisces.
Speaker BSo all of that commitment to the void space and the oneness, all of that is right there.
Speaker BThe ultimate alchemy of the void.
Speaker CThat's a beautiful way to understand, like the exaltation there.
Speaker CIt's the circle, the dot in the center.
Speaker BExactly, exactly.
Speaker BAries goes.
Speaker BOkay, and.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BIt's like next.
Speaker CYeah, it's.
Speaker CAnd I want to say, get a little more specific and precise with what I mean about transmutation and alchemy.
Speaker CAnd these words I keep repeating, you know, they hold their potency even without explanation because that's the magic of language.
Speaker CBut part of what the difference between transmutation and transformation.
Speaker CTransformation, a form kind of like evolves and adds to its form.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CSo there's still some component of the original form in it.
Speaker CWith transmutation, the original form itself, itself is shifted.
Speaker CIt literally mutates into something else.
Speaker CSo one of the most popular examples of this is lead into gold.
Speaker CLead is lead, gold is gold.
Speaker CThey are not the same thing, but one can become the other.
Speaker CAnd it's an irreversible.
Speaker CIt's an irreversible process.
Speaker CThat's how like hardcore Mars is.
Speaker CSo I don't often use the word transformation for Mars.
Speaker CI use the word transmutation.
Speaker CMars is mutative.
Speaker BEvery time you swap realms, you switch realms from the afterlife into the incarnation or from incarnation back into the void space.
Speaker BAt the bookends of Aries and Scorpio, that Is.
Speaker BWhat is the term you use?
Speaker BCan't be undone.
Speaker BWhat is the word?
Speaker CReversible.
Speaker BIrreversible.
Speaker BThat's irreversible.
Speaker BLike soul is changed.
Speaker BKarma is changed through that process.
Speaker BThrough.
Speaker CThere's.
Speaker CWhen something is severed, it creates something, right?
Speaker CSo you get sliced on your skin, it creates a scar, right?
Speaker CThe deeper the cut, the more permanent the scar, you know, so we have levels of permanency when it comes to injury, psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, and physically.
Speaker CYou know, there are some wounds that can absolutely be closed up and seem almost as if nothing was there, emotionally and physically.
Speaker CThere are some wounds that.
Speaker CThat will show scar emotionally and physically and psychologically, right?
Speaker CSo this natural law, like, literally think of your physical body as Mars.
Speaker CThink of all the process that your physical body is composed of.
Speaker CThink very closely, like on a literal, the most boring, mundane, like, factual level about how healing processes work in the body, in every category, Digestive skin, all of it.
Speaker CAnd you will understand Mars because that process of, like, everything involves severing or involves mutation, involves heat or the lack of heat.
Speaker CYou know, in traditional Chinese medicine, they're like, you don't have all these XYZ issues you think you have.
Speaker CYou just have dampness, you don't have enough heat, right?
Speaker COr you don't think you have all these X Y issues that you think you have.
Speaker CYou just have excess of heat and you need cooling.
Speaker CIt's about temperature.
Speaker CAnd this is like the mutation of Mars, you know, feeling very third color, right?
Speaker CFor the hd.
Speaker CIt's like, it's.
Speaker CThat's what I mean by alchemy.
Speaker CI'm not like, alchemy is like some abstract concept of spiritual transcendence and enlightenment that allows you.
Speaker CI mean, like, literally, you physically fucking change when you go through shit, you know, And I.
Speaker CNot by shit, I just.
Speaker CI don't mean trauma.
Speaker CI mean anything.
Speaker CLike, incarnation changes you.
Speaker CThe experiences that you have changes you.
Speaker CThis fucking year will change you, will change the world, and it will be irreversible, right?
Speaker CAnd that's.
Speaker CThat's what I mean by transmutation is literally it will be unrecognizable from its former form.
Speaker CYou know, you look at a dragonfly, Dragonfly is a great example of transformation.
Speaker CAnd you know, that dragonfly was once a larva or whatever the fuck it was, you know, like.
Speaker CAnd there's a lot of other creatures like that where, you know, like, oh, this was once something else.
Speaker CLike, oh, that makes sense.
Speaker CI could see how this larva would extend into a body and grow Wings, Right?
Speaker CLead into gold.
Speaker CIt's not.
Speaker CYou don't look at lead and like, that makes sense to me that it's gold, you know, or that it could be gold.
Speaker CAnd so transmutation and then alchemy, which is like a little more complex, because alchemy is the process of transmutation.
Speaker CIt's the.
Speaker CIt's an art in and of itself.
Speaker CHow you alchemize and what you alchemize depend on the components that are involved.
Speaker CAnd so this is where you got to get your hands dirty.
Speaker CBut one example that I like to make it really concrete is in nature, the medicine often grows next to the poison, or the venom is the antidote.
Speaker CWe hear that that's another phrase, right?
Speaker CThis applies spiritually as well, esoterically as well.
Speaker CThe venom is the antidote.
Speaker CIn love, adulthood, I taught about it as like, the medicine is in the wound.
Speaker CWithout the wound, there is no medicine.
Speaker CSo one concrete example is poison ivy.
Speaker CIn an undisturbed ecosystem, wherever there's poison ivy, there will be jewelweed.
Speaker CJewel weed is this like pretty little orange, sometimes yellow bell flower that is the most powerful solvent to being infected by poison ivy that there is.
Speaker CAnd a lot of people don't know this because we are so anti weed that people are always shaving down everything.
Speaker CAnd then the poison ivy can still grow on its own without its antidote.
Speaker CBut if you are in undisturbed ecosystems and you see these orange bell flowers, if you look up jewel weed right now, you'll see what I mean.
Speaker CIf you see that, you know automatically there's poison ivy nearby.
Speaker CIt never grows without there being poison ivy nearby.
Speaker CAnd this is kind of how I look at Mars.
Speaker CLike how Mars moves through the world is like every sever.
Speaker CYou know, Mars is a sever.
Speaker CMars is also the stitches.
Speaker BI'm also hearing like I'm just have chills from this jewelweed metaphor.
Speaker BI did not know that.
Speaker BAnd I'm hearing you can have the poison without the antidote, but you can't have the antidote without the poison.
Speaker CExactly.
Speaker BThere's this thread that was coming up for me this morning that feels somehow connected to this.
Speaker BI have been thinking a lot about the part of Mars that is like the protector.
Speaker BAnd I've been thinking about here's maybe a difference between how Mars shows up in its day sect sign versus its night sect sign.
Speaker BAnd the thing that makes Mars in charge this year is the Aries happenings.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo we're getting more of an Aries Mars as ruler this year than a Scorpio one and I'm thinking about.
Speaker BI've been reflecting a lot on my own relationship to vulnerability and authenticity.
Speaker BAnd maybe don't need to get too into my personal stuff with that, but because that's been kind of a setting for me lately, just like, looking at my relationship to authenticity and vulnerability and becoming more clear on how I maybe take for granted that that's not everybody's relationship to vulnerability and authenticity.
Speaker BAnd just like, I think maybe that's a. I've been talking a lot about how I'm learning a lot about personal distraction lately.
Speaker BAnd that feels related, like kind of assuming, misprojecting, that the way that I experience reality is also how everybody experiences reality.
Speaker BAnyways, I've been thinking about protection and vulnerability, and I do see a lot of my radical honesty in the moment.
Speaker BThat doesn't feel much like a choice of mine.
Speaker BIt just feels like an innateness, like I can't help it, like I couldn't if I tried.
Speaker BI've been just watching that from a little bit more of an outside perspective, taking it less for granted, understanding it more within the context of the whole.
Speaker BAnd I've been thinking about how we shy away, or it can be a common experience to shy away from vulnerability as a means of protection, but how actually vulnerability and this kind of radical honesty with who you are, where you are right now is a form of protection because it puts you in a position to be able to move through the alchemical, transmutational process.
Speaker BAnd when you're able to do that, when you're practiced in that, when you're comfortable in that, you're protected, you're powerful.
Speaker CYou'Re never more vulnerable than when you're attempting to be invulnerable because you only ever strengthen what you're positioning yourself in opposition to.
Speaker CAnd I'll be explicit here and say that applies politically as well.
Speaker CAnd in every, every reality that we are fighting, resisting, opposing with this kind of, like, reactivity, right?
Speaker CThis kind of the immature version of mar.
Speaker CWe're just reinforcing.
Speaker CBecause what we're essentially saying is this is real, this is real, this is real, this is real.
Speaker CAnd when you stop doing that on the collective or on the personal level and you embrace the vulnerability of not being in control, of not having this, like, unlimited power and influence when there is nothing that anyone can truly take from you, right, all, all this, all this political, like, bullshit is based on the premise that there are things that some people can take from other people, right?
Speaker CThat there, there's a Vulnerability that must be defended against.
Speaker CAnd so when that's no longer the game, when there's no vulnerability to defend against, but instead vulnerability is relaxed into the friction ends, and true power emerges.
Speaker BI think this is, like, what we're talking about right now feels like a political slash collective consciousness evolution.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BVersion of how I have really distilled in my body and my awareness what it is to be Aries as like Aries as what comes from Pisces.
Speaker BWhich is to say, I've thought about this a lot also as how I understand my self as a being with a defined ego.
Speaker BAnd specifically my ego being defined in part through the 2551 and the flavor of that channel, which 25 is the gate in the rave mandala that straddles Aries and Pisces.
Speaker BIt's the Aries Pisces cusp.
Speaker BAnd this sensation that Aries has that's like, I know so well that I am part of the sacred One, that it is just obvious to me, I don't even have to think about it, that my fragment of the One is also that.
Speaker BAnd it's this, like, inherent sense of worth.
Speaker BSo, you know, as a young Aries, as a young 52 manifestor, like, meeting the world with my defined ego and my closed aura and this projection fog around me, not understanding why, like, that just innate sense of worth, activated people.
Speaker BThat's where so much of my wound comes from.
Speaker BBut I literally couldn't understand it.
Speaker BLike, it's taken so much of my life to understand that that inherent sense of worth that comes from having three planets in the first decan of Aries, you know, is not universal.
Speaker BIt's not.
Speaker BI mean, it is universal on some level, but it's not the gravity of everyone's experience.
Speaker BThe way it just unconsciously is mine.
Speaker CBecause the sun can't see itself.
Speaker CIt can only see what it illuminates and the shadows that it causes.
Speaker CAnd I love how you're.
Speaker CI love that you're bringing this in.
Speaker CAnd it takes me back to like, which I know for many people will be one of the, like, first things that maybe they learned.
Speaker CIt's probably changed now, but back in my day, one of the first things you learned was these, like, phrases, these mottos that went with each zodiac sign, Right?
Speaker BI am and I am.
Speaker CI just am.
Speaker CI am not.
Speaker CI think I am not.
Speaker CMaybe I am just I am.
Speaker CAnd I love that you're talking about.
Speaker BThis just, like, this being the existential I am.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CThe being of the self and how that how that made people feel.
Speaker CAnd I'm like, yeah, that's exactly, that's exactly it.
Speaker CThat's how like white supremacy feels about everyone who won't comply to it or who is not subscribed to it, who does not belong to it, is like threatened by the existence of other sovereignty.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CBecause white supremacy is like the superficial posturing of sovereignty.
Speaker CIt involves, like, requires oppression to feel superior and to feel sovereign.
Speaker CWhereas real sovereignty is completely as you're describing in a very like personal, real time sense, is in, is indescribable, is in like innate, is untouchable.
Speaker CIt brings an untouchability to it.
Speaker BBecause to tie it back to the vulnerability piece, like when you're there, when you're in that place, vulnerability is not a threat.
Speaker BBecause.
Speaker BAnd here's where I was starting to see the connection to like this moment of political evolution, this moment of consciousness evolution.
Speaker BIt's like.
Speaker BI can't go there, or I don't want to go there without bringing in gate 55, which you brought in actually when you brought up the Dragonfly.
Speaker BHave you fucked at all with the gene key?
Speaker C55?
Speaker CI don't think so.
Speaker BIn your time?
Speaker CNo.
Speaker BSo 55 is one of the eight new keys as part of the cross of the Sleeping Phoenix, along with the 3420.
Speaker BAnd it's the new way.
Speaker BEach era has eight keys or eight locks.
Speaker BEvery era has eight locks.
Speaker BAnd then every era new keys come in to fit into those locks.
Speaker CI remember you telling me about that.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThere's like eight constructs in the old reality, eight constructs in the new one coming in this new world that Mars is birthing this year.
Speaker BAnd 37 is the family or friendship.
Speaker BAnd it's part of the channel of community.
Speaker BIt's why everybody talks about the bargain breaking down with the cross of planning.
Speaker BIt's cause the 3740 was the way in the temple in the old era.
Speaker BAnd in the new one, the way is 55.
Speaker BAnd I won't get too into it right now, but I will say 55 is a Pisces gate.
Speaker BIt's in the solar plexus, it's the gate of the spirit.
Speaker BAnd I, through my 2027 deep dives this year or last year, in 2025, I have come to understand the distillation of 55 and what it's about as being self reflective consciousness or passenger consciousness is another way to put it, which is in my understanding this idea.
Speaker BThis is how I understand reality and this dimension and how it connects to the other dimensions is that we are here consciousness fragments so that it can experience itself.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSelf reflected consciousness, passenger consciousness.
Speaker BAnd this is the way like this is the point of the next period of human evolution.
Speaker BIt's no longer about everything.
Speaker BCross of planning was about which if we look at the way specifically it was about 37 the family, friendship, community bargains.
Speaker BNow it's about individual.
Speaker BIt's about individual awakening through experience of it all.
Speaker BAnd so like the connection I'm seeing is this innate sense as an Aries, this innate sense of worth.
Speaker BLike yeah, I was just in the eternal One, now I'm in the eternal singularity.
Speaker BAnd it's.
Speaker BIt is that like that knowingness is what we're moving into in this next era of individuality where we understand it that all of this too is God.
Speaker BAll of this too is something that not only can be and not even needs to be, but will be alchemized, will be transmutated.
Speaker BAnd I think this other piece that we've come to of like I've really been feeling into this as the closing chapter of Uranus in Taurus as well and preparing us for what's to come with Uranus in Gemini of like.
Speaker BLike we have built in our bodies, some of us and I don't know how to talk about that part.
Speaker BThat part throws me the sum of us.
Speaker BSo zip that up, maybe we'll come back.
Speaker BBut we've built into our bodies the muscle memory now of physically moving through the thing and finding freedom, finding liberation through the physical process of nervous system work to put it shortly.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker BLike we've learned to find liberation through tending to the state of the body.
Speaker BAnd yeah, I'm really seeing this as I'm sure this is Mars as well.
Speaker BAnd especially the way you're really bringing in transmutation as a primary or the primary perhaps prerogative of Mars.
Speaker BBut I've really been feeling the last couple days into when Uranus goes into Gemini.
Speaker BAnd like I've been feeling into what allowed us what it's the right words.
Speaker BBut the access to liberation and freedom came through the tending to the body, the fixed Earth, through the being with and staying with form, which nervous system awareness and work was a big part of that.
Speaker BAnd now we're moving.
Speaker BUranus is going to move this year from fixed Earth, the most fixed sign, the least mutable sign, into Gemini, mutable air, the least fixed sign, the most mutable sign.
Speaker BAnd how the freedom in this next Uranian era I think perhaps may come from our ability actually to not stay with it, which feels like 3420 and the 57 and the freedom to be able to transmutate, to be able to move, to be able to quickly move from one thing to the next.
Speaker BBut that based on this work that has happened with Saturn in the Saturn signs, with Saturn in Pisces, with Uranus in Taurus, with tending to fixed Earth with tending to the body and finding liberation through the body is what sets us up to be able to actually find freedom through the Gemini, freedom through the chaos, freedom through the flightiness from one thing to the next.
Speaker BSo, yeah, just seeing like you're showing me a different orientation through Mars in charge to this other thing I've been really feeling into with like, no, the whole point the way is to be with it, accept it, move it through your system, alchemize it, trust that it's God too.
Speaker BAll of this is part of it.
Speaker BAll of it is God.
Speaker BNone of it is beyond what humanity as a whole or what any one of us individually, I want to say, like, should, can, must face.
Speaker BBut it's also like we can just use more neutral language.
Speaker BIs facing it is happening.
Speaker CAnd so, yeah, so Aries.
Speaker CYeah, I love that because, you know, you're kind of speaking to how Aries comes before Gemini and you're speaking to another huge part of this year, which is that Saturn, Uranus will be in sextile because Aries and Gemini are a natural sextile.
Speaker CAnd so that will be a big theme for the year as well.
Speaker CBy sign, I didn't look at if that's exact because I only looked at Mars exact aspects before this.
Speaker CBut it's funny that you bring that in because earlier I was going to say something about the difference between Mercury and Mars and I didn't.
Speaker CBut it makes me think about how people, when they're thinking about nervous system repair or healing or magic or really any kind of alchemy, I'll just use that word.
Speaker CThey're often thinking of like the magician.
Speaker CLet's bring in a tarot card.
Speaker CLike they're thinking of Mercury.
Speaker CI am the human.
Speaker CI'm using all my tools.
Speaker CMars comes before that, though, you know, in the zodiacal sequence.
Speaker CAnd it's a lot more primal, actually.
Speaker CYou know, there's a transformation that happens before you step up to the altar where all the tools are sitting.
Speaker CAnd it's the choice, it's a decision on a deep internal, primal, primordial level to change.
Speaker CYou know, it's the.
Speaker CThat.
Speaker CThat's the moment of initiation moment.
Speaker COf initiation isn't when you go learn how to use the tool.
Speaker CNo, you had to be initiated first to be able to even see that the tool is there and to touch it and to learn how to use it.
Speaker CAnd so that's what this Aries Gemini sets out, which is so important this year.
Speaker CThat's what I'm thinking of as you're talking to them like, oh, yeah, Uranus and Gemini offers all these opportunities, but my God, will it do nothing but create chaos and madness if we don't have some mastery with Mars, if we're not able to actually move energy from one state into another?
Speaker CThat's what alchemy is.
Speaker CThat's what transmutation is.
Speaker CThat's what healing is.
Speaker CThat's what working out is.
Speaker CThat's what even the most mundane significations of ours, moving energy from one state into another.
Speaker CWhen that happens prior to engaging with the Uranus in Gemini, then Uranus in Gemini becomes opportunity for everything that you name, which is like, all right, let's accelerate, let's go, let's move.
Speaker CLet's not sit with it.
Speaker CBut the power to not sit with it doesn't simply come from the shift from Taurus to Gemini.
Speaker CIt comes from the Aries decision to engage with the now and to be an active participant in the.
Speaker CThe.
Speaker CThe mutational processes happening within you, as you know, Terence McKenna calls it.
Speaker CAnd I'm sure people have heard me say this, a million, some people, a small group of people have heard me say this so much.
Speaker CBut the primacy of direct experience is what he called essentially the now.
Speaker CAnd that's Mars.
Speaker CMars is the primacy, the primary, the primacy of direct experience.
Speaker CAnd this is what I'm hearing about, you say about the 55, you know, like, and this is where we are, this is what's going on.
Speaker CAnd so that, that is the, the imperative, the call to action, to circle back to what I was saying before, because it requires, to use another Mars word, audacity.
Speaker CYou know, Aries is very audacious, and it requires audacity to sever, to leave the past behind.
Speaker CYou know, so much enmeshment, so much attachment to the past that it creates a stagnation, right?
Speaker CAnd the blocking and the kind of like.
Speaker CYeah, when it's like, well, when it's time to move forward, it's time to move forward.
Speaker CAnd that requires a different kind of skill set.
Speaker CAnd something interesting that happens in the middle of this year, roughly speaking, happens in July, is that Mars conjuncts Uranus in Gemini.
Speaker BYeah, I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker CWhat were you going to ask?
Speaker BI feel like in the US for folks who are tapped into forecasty type of looks at astrology this year, that's a big moment, right?
Speaker BThe Mars Gemini conjunction I think the 4th of July and also literally the 4th of ridiculous.
Speaker CI heard it a couple times, I.
Speaker BWas like, right, once again, astrology insane.
Speaker BBut also the whole co presence of it is like recurrence transit for the US Civil War talk, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker BSo yeah, one of the things I was kind of curious to ask you about is this feels with this shift of the primacy.
Speaker BI think I talk about that a lot like the locality, the proximity.
Speaker BMy greatest agency and power lies in my relationship to my own power, my relationship to the now.
Speaker BAnd that feels similar to what you were talking about with Mercury.
Speaker BWithout the Mars will, without the Mars agency, without the Mars initiation is just chaos.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo feeling into that, that feels like this, that feels like the importance of this.
Speaker CYeah, I know you're on a thread right now, but I have to interrupt you because this just hit me in the third eye.
Speaker CI was like, I just that the way that you said that made me realize like I was having this conversation with my mom about this kind of like the natural process of individuation.
Speaker CI think individuation is a big word this year.
Speaker CAnd I was talking about individuation isn't individualism.
Speaker CYou know.
Speaker CAnd people often kind of like push away the natural, literally natural law processes of individuation on a psychological, emotional and spiritual level because they think it means individualism.
Speaker CAnd they don't want that because they're anti, you know, anti that.
Speaker CSo they position themselves in opposition to it.
Speaker CSo then that's the only thing that's real.
Speaker CAnd then the actual processes of individuation get neglected, which are so important.
Speaker CThis is Mars.
Speaker CYou get born.
Speaker CYou're outside of your mother now.
Speaker CYou're not inside your mom anymore.
Speaker CYou're outside of your mother, you're individuated.
Speaker CAnd then individuation also needs to happen psychologically, right?
Speaker CAnd developmentally and all these other ways.
Speaker CAnd then there's spiritual and cultural individuation.
Speaker CCan you stop existing only in the confines of the cultural aircraft that's been constructed for you by the spiritual principles of other people?
Speaker CYou know, so there's all these kinds of levels of individuation, Mars, that ultimately have to do with sovereignty, which is the sun.
Speaker CSo we see Mars' or we see the Sun's exaltation there again as well, and the kind of spiritual science behind it.
Speaker CIn that context, talking to my mom about, you know, what's.
Speaker CWhat's more important, like creating these.
Speaker CThese.
Speaker CThat wasn't the explicit question, but just a shorthanded.
Speaker CCreating these new ways of connecting because of how community and communal formats have kind of faded out and are kind of deconstructing themselves or empowering the individual sense of agency.
Speaker CAnd we're kind of like positioning these as like slightly ajar from each other in the conversation.
Speaker CAnd at some point she says something and you know, well, she's like, well, people's beliefs have to change, like the way they think have to change.
Speaker CAnd I was like, oh, I'm so glad you said that, because that's exactly what I mean, you know.
Speaker CSo she was kind of looking at the things, Mars and Gemini of a very, like, mercurial level of like, well, they think this and this idea and this thought, you know, those things, the kind of ideological concepts.
Speaker CAnd I was like, the ideological context cannot shift until the individual's spiritual and psychological context shifts.
Speaker CYou can present someone with all the tools and all the opportunities and even all the community in the world, but if their personal sense of agency is underdeveloped, they will not have the willpower.
Speaker CThey sense the instinct to take advantage if they haven't fully individuated from the way that they think they were told that things should be and that things are.
Speaker CThey will be unable to move forward no matter how much words you spew at them, no matter how much connection, no matter how many tools they have to on this deep primordial.
Speaker CLike, I've been really thinking about it as like, this is for me, the year of the Ape.
Speaker CI'm just like, we are fucking apes and we keep forgetting that, but we are.
Speaker CAnd things need to come from this, like, deep, deep, primal part of us that's just like.
Speaker CLike, this is what I need to do now, you know, or this is who I am.
Speaker CAnd that's where all momentum emerges from.
Speaker CAnd so all these ideological shifts that we have on the menu this year with Uranus and Gemini, Pluto in Aquarius don't mean shit without people engaging in this Martian process, you know.
Speaker CAnd I think Mars, Uranus conjunct in July.
Speaker COne of the ways that we could look at it is on some kind of scale, you know, unbelievable.
Speaker CUnbeknownst to us at this moment, but soon to be revealed, people on the individual, right, Mars is an inner planet on the individual level, are going to have to confront the limitations of ideology from every single angle.
Speaker CI'm not talking binary, I'm not talking left, right, black, white.
Speaker CAnd I mean those literally end, you know, socially, metaphorically, but literally any kind of ideology, any angle of ideology cannot be your authority.
Speaker CAnd it has its limitations.
Speaker CAnd it is not enough to create actual change.
Speaker CAnd that, you know, this is what we experience the consequences of all the time.
Speaker CThis is what we're experiencing the consequences of right now.
Speaker CI don't normally like to use we when I talk about America, but I'm going to use it to talk about the world.
Speaker CWe're experiencing the consequences all over.
Speaker CWhere people have new ideas and they have new perspectives and they have new insight and new tools.
Speaker CThey have the whole world in their fucking hands through their cell phones.
Speaker CAnd yet why are the same symptoms occurring?
Speaker CWhy are the same situations occurring?
Speaker CFailure, right.
Speaker CFailure to sever, failure to integrate, right.
Speaker CFailure to individuate.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CAnd that can't be constructed by people outside of yourself.
Speaker CYou have to be your ultimate author.
Speaker CAuthority.
Speaker CYou have to be your ultimate authority.
Speaker CBecause no one, I can't tell you.
Speaker CKelsey.
Speaker CHey Kelsey, here in this area you seem, you know, un individuated and that's going to cause you problems and you'll hear me and you might even be like, oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker CBut until you personally come to some kind of, let's just call it divine realization because it's in no one's control, not even your own, you know, it won't mean anything.
Speaker CAnd this is why I think Mars is the bottom line of this year.
Speaker CAnd we have.
Speaker CSo it's just like bam, bam.
Speaker CMars is touching everything.
Speaker CNext month we have the final Mars Uranus in Taurus Square where Mars in Aquarius will square Uranus in Taurus for the last time.
Speaker CAnd that's expected to be quite significant.
Speaker CAnd then March we have Mars trine Jupiter exalted shortly before Jupiter leaves it's exaltation.
Speaker CIn April we have Mars in Aries.
Speaker CAnd that's gonna be a big fucking deal.
Speaker CCause we got Mars conjunct Neptune.
Speaker CMars conjunct Saturn.
Speaker CI know I'm reading a lot of things, but the point is that literally every month Mars is touching some bigger cycle that's happening.
Speaker CYeah, May we have another Mars Pluto square.
Speaker CIn July we have Mars Uranus, we have Mars trine Pluto In August we have Mars enters fall.
Speaker CIn September we have Mars Saturn square.
Speaker BAnd Mars south node Jupiter I think in September as well.
Speaker CIn October Mars Pluto opposition.
Speaker CNovember Mars conjunct Jupiter in Leo.
Speaker CMars enters shadow.
Speaker CYeah, so Mars has its hands all over everything this year.
Speaker CWhich is to say that the individual's sense of agency is a key component to how in your own personal sphere, things develop.
Speaker CI.
Speaker BOkay, let me say three things.
Speaker BMaybe I won't get to all of them, but I wanna say them all.
Speaker BCause they were all really spicing themselves up over this last stretch.
Speaker BOne is, I was revisiting the Mars glyph.
Speaker BTwo is Mars or Chiron in Aries.
Speaker BAnd the completion of that transit overlapping with this birth process of 2026 and 2027.
Speaker BAnd what was three Mars glyph, Chiron and Aries.
Speaker BThat's why I wanted to say all three.
Speaker BBut the third one's already gone.
Speaker BThe Mars glyph and the Chiron and Aries thing were sort of the same thought.
Speaker BI also often check in with the glyphs when I'm trying to focus on the distillation of a planet.
Speaker BAnd Mars is the circle of spirit, the arrow of action.
Speaker BAnd I've always thought about it as what is moving your spirit into action, what moves your individual spirit into action?
Speaker BIndividuation.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BBut in hearing you talk just now, I was coming back to this, like Aries as the moment after the void of the all of Pisces and also Scorpio on the other side of it, the edge of individual incarnation.
Speaker BAnd I was seeing the arrow of action now literally physically moving away from the circle of spirit.
Speaker BSo yes, on one hand it's what's moving your individual spirit into action, but it's also moving away from the circle of the one and the individuation.
Speaker BAnd I've been talking about Chiron in Aries for years.
Speaker BChiron's been in Aries for years.
Speaker BAnd I was deeply initiated by Chiron in Aries right around when I became connected to you.
Speaker BAnd I was going through some pretty challenging initiations when Chiron was on my sun and on my first deck in Aries stellium.
Speaker BAnd through that process, through that transmutation of mine, I started to feel into Chiron and Aries.
Speaker BAnd watching what I've often referred to as the co dependency clearing that's been happening, I've referred to this Chiron in Aries assignment, which is like a seven year transit that we're coming up to a close on.
Speaker BWe get the first egress of Chiron out of Aries into Taurus this year for a few months and then the final one next year in 2020, 27.
Speaker BMy phrase for Chiron and Aries has been, where have you been abandoning yourself for fear of being abandoned by the other?
Speaker BAnd it's been this period of just really dealing with the wound of separation, dealing with that on this plane, in these bodies, in this life, we are as individuals removed from the circle of spirit and the pain of that.
Speaker BAnd, you know, the zodiac was, I think, one of, if not my first teacher in how all of the parts of the whole, regardless of their relationship with one another, are all imperative, sacred parts of the whole.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd so that was such an important thing for my consciousness to see.
Speaker BAnd I have relaxed exponentially since meeting the zodiac because I can see how in my embracing each of my parts, including the separateness of me, I am also embracing the whole.
Speaker BI am embracing the.
Speaker BAll of it.
Speaker BAnd so, yeah, I'm just seeing this thread of, like, Chiron.
Speaker BYeah, Chiron.
Speaker BThis year, Mars, while it becomes in charge of a lot, is handing off rulership, beginning the handoff of rulership of Chiron from itself, Mars to Venus.
Speaker BAnd I feel like I have been in a deep process with.
Speaker BAnd I have seen a lot of people in a deep process with, beginning to be comfortable with and starting to really see what can happen when we acknowledge where we've been abandoning ourself for fear of being abandoned by the other.
Speaker BAnd we trust that love and connection and recognition and wholeness is available to us even as we lean into any particular part of us, any particular fragment.
Speaker BAnd this feels so connected to, like, there's so much of.
Speaker BLike, the 55 is opposite the 59, which is one of the new keys too.
Speaker BAnd the 59 is intimacy, sexuality, dispersion.
Speaker BAnd it's like penetrating to the other in the now.
Speaker BIt's, like, connected to all this 34, 20, 57 key stuff with the sleeping phoenix.
Speaker BAnd the cross of penetration is the other cross.
Speaker BOkay, hold on.
Speaker BLet me come back.
Speaker BThe potential that we have to experience true connection, wholeness, love through relationship through the other.
Speaker BOnce we have addressed and transmutated our fear of leaning so fully into the primacy of the now, into the primacy of me and the now, it's not even a.
Speaker BIt's not even like the potential increases.
Speaker BIt's like that is where the beginning of real connection lives.
Speaker CYou have to embrace the aloneness, you know, and, like, again, I'm hearing the sun's exaltation in the sphere of Aries and this Martian sphere.
Speaker CWe have to embrace the.
Speaker CThe aloneness, you know, the baby has to come out of the womb to be held by the mother, you know, to have that connection the baby has to individuate in the first place, you know, to, to experience the pleasures of incarnation.
Speaker CAnd so yeah, I'm, I'm hearing that like the fear of engaging with the primacy of your direct experience with, with your own authority and individuating from any external authorities.
Speaker CYeah, yeah, you know, I'm sure that'll come up more when you kiss the Saturn, but that's like, I'm glad you're naming that because I'm like, yeah, that's why people repress Mars.
Speaker CThat's exactly why they.
Speaker BAnd I think like, I don't know if this is subjective and more just like in my sphere this has been happening, but I have seen an evolution, an acceleration through the evolutionary process with these themes per relationality and community.
Speaker BAnd I feel like a lot of what you're talking about and inviting specifically how I'm looking at it in the context of the national stage, the international stage and even wider collective consciousness is like the Mars in Capricorn.
Speaker BCazimi.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BBeing the seed for this year and for Mars over the next two plus years, which remind me, I need to say something about the next Mars.
Speaker BCazimi too is taking this practice that many of us have had in the relational sphere, like can I still be loved, can I still belong if I'm honest with myself primarily and then others about who I am, where I am, what's here now?
Speaker BWill I still get to belong?
Speaker BWill I still feel a belonging to the whole?
Speaker BAnd I'm wondering about this year being a time when that practice, that initiation will extend onto the stage of Capricorn.
Speaker BHow we are living physically on this Earth and our responsibility to each other, to the world, to outer authority, to government, to state.
Speaker BAre we willing to abandon, are we willing to abandon this world that has been built together, this, this, this the tapestry of which so many parts of us on an ego mind level have belonged to and been ruled by, have been complicit in.
Speaker BAre we willing to abandon that?
Speaker BNot just to abandon this relationship or my codependency patterns in this stage and this stage.
Speaker BWhat about our codependency with the, the state?
Speaker BWhat about our codependency with external reality?
Speaker CYeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.
Speaker CReckless abandon.
Speaker CVery Martian.
Speaker BOh yeah.
Speaker BThe thing I was going to ask you is like as a Leo rising, ruled by the sun, conjunct Mercury, it's co. Festive.
Speaker BIs that right?
Speaker BNo, co present.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BLike what, what's a reorientation coming back to individuation, coming back to primacy, coming back to locality, individual agency, what, how to calibrate that, how to constantly reattune, how do we reattune to that?
Speaker BHow do we remember that in the face of Mercury's madness this year in the face of the Mars Uranus co presence in Gemini potentially it might be very easy to dissociate into what's going to unfold on the collective stage.
Speaker BAnd I think part of what I was trying to thread through this conversation or found myself threading through and part of my intention for this whole series is the passenger consciousness piece.
Speaker BWe need to witness, digest and integrate everything we experience as individual beings this year and beyond.
Speaker BAnd again, need doesn't even feel like the right language.
Speaker BLike we are going to.
Speaker BLike that is what happens now and hopefully you've been going to the gym.
Speaker BBut like how, like, do you have any words for that?
Speaker BDo you have any sentiments to that?
Speaker AFor that?
Speaker BDo you have any calibrations for that?
Speaker BLike how to come back to me, how to come back to my primacy, my locality, my agency, my personal experience of self reflected consciousness, when it might be.
Speaker BI don't even want to say easier, but just the compulsion maybe to feel powerless in the face of outer authority, in the face of chaos unfolding in collective reality.
Speaker BBecause I see like, I see myself as someone who's practiced in that and like committed to that and devoted to that and initiated into that.
Speaker BAnd I also see you as someone who is very much all of those things I said as well.
Speaker BBut I also see you as someone who has, yeah, just a capacity to bring people into that with your language and with.
Speaker BYeah, just your tools.
Speaker BI feel for me, I don't know, I feel maybe this is like a second line versus first and third line thing.
Speaker BI don't know.
Speaker BI feel like I don't know how to explain that.
Speaker BAnd that's.
Speaker BThat feels connected to what I was talking about with like my innateness and Aries and personal distraction and like, like you guys aren't also having this experience where you're just evolving through everything.
Speaker BI don't get it.
Speaker BLike my impatience.
Speaker BSo yeah, I just, I, I want to know what you would have to say on that because you.
Speaker BThat's what you've been teaching for years.
Speaker CYeah, well, thank you.
Speaker CYes, yes, I did spend quite a bit of time as the prophet, you know, going through the streets, trying to prepare people unintentionally.
Speaker CThat's not at all how I was thinking of it at the time.
Speaker COnly in Retrospect.
Speaker CDo I see it that way?
Speaker CBut yeah, I.
Speaker CThere's one phrase that comes to mind, which is slow down to speed up.
Speaker CThe only way compulsion can be interrupted is to create enough containment, create enough boundary with yourself on an energetic psychic level that you can slow down.
Speaker CSo when it comes to Mars, this still applies.
Speaker CMars isn't speed up to speed up.
Speaker CIt's still slow down, speed up, get your bearings.
Speaker CAnd so I think hygiene, like energetic hygiene is just the most mundane, boring, practical, easy way to make sure that you are as squeaky clean and clear as possible.
Speaker CAnd that's what slowing down does.
Speaker CIt's like, oh, wait, let me clean all all this external shit out, you know, Let me take this salt bath.
Speaker CYou know, like tending to the physical vessel.
Speaker CAgain, Mars is so primal, so primordial.
Speaker CIt's so ape.
Speaker CSo tending to your ape self, remembering you're an ape and being like, I'm just an ape.
Speaker CSo, like, what would an ape do?
Speaker CScream or I'm gonna go do that, you know, like, that's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker CSo that's one.
Speaker CThat's like the practical thing that came to mind.
Speaker CIt's just like slow down to speed up and a lot of that slowing down.
Speaker CLet it be hygiene.
Speaker CYou know, you don't need new practices.
Speaker CYou don't need this, that the other just have you.
Speaker BYou don't.
Speaker BYou literally don't need anything outside of your body in this moment.
Speaker BAnd what's here in your body in this moment, right?
Speaker CLike, have you imagined a grounding cord down to the core of the earth?
Speaker CVery simple, you know, very hygienic.
Speaker CHave you actually gone outside?
Speaker CYou know, like, that's another thing.
Speaker CSo just.
Speaker CYeah, Mars is.
Speaker CMars is incredibly potent and also very simple.
Speaker CYou know, it's like, well, yeah, you know, go in the kitchen, chop some shit up, make a soup, you know, like, do some actual physical alchemy or go for a walk or those kinds of things.
Speaker CBut enough about that.
Speaker CThose are kind of, yeah, practical.
Speaker BThose will be necessary.
Speaker BThose practical tips will be necessary.
Speaker CBut it leads me into, you know, the, the, the deeper answer to that question, which is, I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker CYou gotta go figure it out.
Speaker CYou want me to sit here, external authority, and tell you how to reorient back to yourself when you find compulsion to give your power away on an.
Speaker COn a psychic level.
Speaker CI, I just gave you a bunch of tips and ideas.
Speaker CYou're probably going to forget them by the time you're done listening to this podcast and then still flounder in the moment because you ult ultimately have to decide that you're going to be self disciplined enough to be like, I want to interrupt this compulsion.
Speaker CSo when you're with compulsion, when you are feel the urge to act, how you interrupt compulsion is not to.
Speaker CAnd to then sit in the discomfort.
Speaker CTo just tolerate the discomfort of like I really wanted to.
Speaker COh, I really wanted to just react, but I'm not going to.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CI really wanted to like read the news and then freak out and feel like everything's going to.
Speaker CBut you know, I'm actually not gonna do that.
Speaker CLike that's a level of internal discipline that like it can't be.
Speaker CIt can't be by anyone else and it can't be conjured by me telling you do xyz.
Speaker CYou know, like, containment is a personal decision.
Speaker CAnd.
Speaker CAnd this is where your inner authority really comes into play is like, yeah, every person need to confront their own ability to interrupt their own cycles.
Speaker BI'm hearing that as like go fucking find yourself.
Speaker BBut then coming back to like the proximity and the locality of the now, I'm hearing it as like, go fucking find yourself in every single moment.
Speaker BIn every moment, find yourself.
Speaker BAnd this came up in the conversation with Amalia that will have preceded this one as well.
Speaker BOf like, when you meet like this, this Aquarius Stellium, this Pluto in Aquarius era, when you meet everything you're going to meet this year in the collective reality, in the external world, meet it as yourself.
Speaker BWhat is there for you when you meet that?
Speaker BWhat is that bringing up in you when you meet that.
Speaker BThat we could dissociate to what it means about the collective.
Speaker BI reposted this meme on Instagram.
Speaker BIt's apparently a well known quote that I had never seen before that said we complain about society, but we are society.
Speaker COh yeah, I love that.
Speaker CThat's such a Martian one.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CHello.
Speaker BIt feels like Pluto in Aquarius to me as well.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker BAnd yeah.
Speaker BSo like there's no more looking away.
Speaker BThere's no more looking away.
Speaker BSo when you look at it, what's there for you, that's what's yours.
Speaker CAnd if there's nothing there for you, move on.
Speaker CMove on.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker CThere doesn't need to be something there for you every time.
Speaker BAmen.
Speaker CBecause otherwise there's no singularity.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThis is the interdependence of it.
Speaker BThis is the grid work of it is like we don't all need to be metabolizing every strand of it.
Speaker BTo the same extent every time.
Speaker BTrust your body to know what is for you, to metabolize, what piece is for you, what depth is for you, your body knows.
Speaker BAnd this is why I'm just like, for me, that was human design.
Speaker BLike, human design showed me how to trust that.
Speaker BThat map showed me how to trust that.
Speaker CLike, it's gonna be a big detox for a lot of people because.
Speaker CBecause there's been a lot of conditioning the last decade and.
Speaker CAnd so that we all need to be metabolizing all the same things at all the same time.
Speaker BYeah, that feels like the end.
Speaker CI'd love to share something real quick.
Speaker CIt's just a quick quote to close.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BYour quote's gonna be a better end than this thing that I wanted to slip in.
Speaker BSo let me slip in this other observation real quick.
Speaker BSo the Saturn Neptune conjunction happens at 0 degrees, 45 minutes of Aries before the first degree of Aries.
Speaker BThe next Mars cazimi that follows this 19° Capricorn Mars Cazimi, that's the seed for this year is gonna happen at 1° 0/00 Aries.
Speaker CSo that's crazy.
Speaker BDon't know what the fuck about that.
Speaker BBut yeah, that's like this, like, okay.
Speaker CWe started on the zero, now we're gonna start on the one, the act.
Speaker BAnd like the actual.
Speaker BAnd that happens in March of 2028.
Speaker BAnd so just yeah, looking also at.
Speaker CHow this, all that makes so much sense because like, such a level of initiation happening with Saturn, Neptune conjunct at zero this year.
Speaker CAnd that takes time, you know?
Speaker CLike, I know I've been talking a lot about integration, but I'm not like.
Speaker CAnd then tomorrow wake up and be.
Speaker CNo, I mean, like in two years when Mars is cazimi at 1 degrees Aries, you'll be done, you'll be there.
Speaker BYeah, we'll be a year into 2027.
Speaker BWe'll be on the other side of the Mars Uranus.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd then you can get started, you know, like, it's that kind of thing, you know, the baby don't start walking when it come out the womb, you know.
Speaker CSo we're in labor right now.
Speaker CThe baby gonna come out at some point, but ain't gonna start.
Speaker CWell, it's about almost two years old.
Speaker CIt'll really have a sense of its.
Speaker CLike a real sense of its feet.
Speaker CMaybe could even start running, you know.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker CBut it'd be wobbly.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThank you.
Speaker BThanks for making it fit.
Speaker BAll right.
Speaker CIt did fit.
Speaker BAll right.
Speaker CAll right.
Speaker BSing us off.
Speaker CI just got a. Oh, okay.
Speaker CLive performance coming right up.
Speaker CI just got this tattoo.
Speaker CIt says, nature loves courage.
Speaker CIt was kind of my Mars.
Speaker CI wanted it to be the Mars Cazimi, but it got rescheduled to Mars Aquarius ingress, which is interesting.
Speaker CSo it says, nature loves courage.
Speaker CThat's what I got.
Speaker CBut it's the beginning of this beautiful statement from Terence McKenna, which is nature loves courage.
Speaker CYou make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles.
Speaker CDream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under.
Speaker CIt will lift you up.
Speaker CThis is the trick.
Speaker CThis is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, those who really touched alchemical gold, this is what they understood.
Speaker CThis is the shamanic dance underneath the waterfall.
Speaker CThis is how magic is done.
Speaker CIt's done by hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a featherbed.
Speaker BThat's the whole quote?
Speaker CThat's the whole quote.
Speaker BI couldn't tell if you went off into Ari's sermon at some point because that sounded like you, my friend.
Speaker CI'm very, very flattered.
Speaker CThank you.
Speaker CNo, that's.
Speaker CThat's my.
Speaker CMy grandfather in Christ.
Speaker CChrist.
Speaker CTerence McKenna.
Speaker CBut yeah, I just think it perfectly sums up literally every element of this year, outer planets and all.
Speaker CBut bringing it down to Mars.
Speaker CNature loves courage.
Speaker BLet yourself be initiated.
Speaker BWatch yourself be initiated.
Speaker BYou're gonna get initiated, motherfucker.
Speaker CCO translation by Kelpie do or die.
Speaker BYou ain't got no choice, so choose it.
Speaker BThank you.
Speaker CThank you.
Speaker CKelsey, Sam.