The LinkedIn algorithm continues to have everybody frustrated.
Speaker:Email newsletters are still dependable.
Speaker:Then we have the new kid on the block that's getting all the hype, Substack.
Speaker:Where should you spend your time and attention?
Speaker:Great question.
Speaker:Let's have a chat about that today.
Speaker:G'Day everyone.
Speaker:I'm Coach Michelle J Raymond, your trusted guide for building your brand
Speaker:and growing your business on LinkedIn.
Speaker:And we're gonna be chatting about all things LinkedIn newsletters, email
Speaker:newsletters, Substack today, because a few weeks ago when I did my episode
Speaker:about the content strategies that I think you should have with LinkedIn's
Speaker:algorithm shifts, that was super popular because I mentioned in that
Speaker:episode LinkedIn newsletters should be part of your strategy going forward.
Speaker:And I also said reach out to me if you've got some questions.
Speaker:And I've had a ton of questions, which has been amazing.
Speaker:So thank you to everyone that reaches out and connects with me.
Speaker:So a quick recap of that episode, of course, I will share the details on how
Speaker:you can see the whole thing in the show notes and go back and have a listen,
Speaker:because at that time, back in February I was deciding that I was going to
Speaker:start my very first email newsletter.
Speaker:So I have a successful LinkedIn newsletter.
Speaker:At the time, it had around, let's call it 8,000 subscribers and
Speaker:a brand new email newsletter.
Speaker:So what's happened between then and now?
Speaker:What have I discovered?
Speaker:What am I doing differently and where does Substack fit into all of this?
Speaker:First of all, I wanna reiterate, I absolutely love LinkedIn newsletters.
Speaker:I love the long form.
Speaker:I love the fact that they're indexed by Google.
Speaker:I love that that then means that ChatGPT and other tools like that
Speaker:are learning my content as well off the platform, which is amazing.
Speaker:It's getting discovered by new people.
Speaker:I love the fact that every time I post a new newsletter,
Speaker:my subscribers get notified.
Speaker:So I'm not fighting with, you know, the algorithm in the home feed, which is
Speaker:just gold given what's going on now.
Speaker:My email newsletter, uh, was at zero six months ago.
Speaker:I'm reporting back.
Speaker:I'm up to at 458 email subscribers if you are not one of them and would
Speaker:like to be, of course, again, the details will be in the show notes.
Speaker:I'd love to stay connected in between the podcast episodes.
Speaker:What I found with that I've got 458 subscribers.
Speaker:There's about another 120, which have not confirmed their email subscription,
Speaker:which I have found super annoying.
Speaker:Now, how does this happen?
Speaker:There's a double opt-in, which is best practices as far as I'm
Speaker:aware, for email newsletters.
Speaker:So what does that mean?
Speaker:You subscribe to the newsletter.
Speaker:It then sends you an email into your inbox to confirm, Hey, did you mean
Speaker:to subscribe to this email newsletter?
Speaker:And you have to say yes.
Speaker:And if you don't say yes, then you don't get added to the newsletter list
Speaker:and you don't receive my newsletters.
Speaker:Now given I've got 458 subscribers and 120 sitting in no man's land
Speaker:and you can't resend something to follow up with them, apparently
Speaker:that's against the rules as well.
Speaker:I can't automatically approve them, even if I know people, 'cause that again is
Speaker:against you know, the rules, so to speak.
Speaker:And so for me, having that 120 people there who wanted to stay in contact,
Speaker:that I can't do anything with unless I manually follow them all up.
Speaker:I find that super duper frustrating.
Speaker:If anyone listening to this podcast is an email newsletter expert and you
Speaker:wanna reach out and let me know if you've got some, you know, great advice.
Speaker:I'm all ears 'cause that is certainly not my area of expertise.
Speaker:How are they both growing?
Speaker:Well, when it comes to my newsletter, my email one, it's essentially, if
Speaker:people go to my website, if you're there for long enough, then it
Speaker:will give you a popup and say, Hey, come and, you know, check this out.
Speaker:I promote it on my LinkedIn newsletter as well, and my premium
Speaker:link on my profile directs people to sign up for my email newsletter.
Speaker:Now, you might be wondering, why do I have that as a strategy?
Speaker:Well, if anything happens to my LinkedIn account, of course I want to be able
Speaker:to stay in contact with my connections and have something that I own.
Speaker:That's the biggest difference here.
Speaker:I control that email list.
Speaker:As opposed to my LinkedIn newsletter, which is far easier to grow, like
Speaker:LinkedIn automatically invites everybody that's trying to connect with me.
Speaker:And so I'm growing at that at a rate of, I think it was about 250 to 300
Speaker:new subscribers every month, and that's without me doing anything.
Speaker:So I think that's why I love it.
Speaker:It's on autopilot.
Speaker:So from that perspective, it works really well.
Speaker:Now there are some of you who reached out with a question, which
Speaker:I'll just cover, should you do articles on LinkedIn or newsletters?
Speaker:I would steer clear of articles purely and simply because the
Speaker:features within articles and newsletters are exactly the same.
Speaker:The only difference is on newsletters, you have the ability to build up
Speaker:subscribers so they get notified.
Speaker:Where articles just get treated like a normal post.
Speaker:So that's the quick recap of where I'm at.
Speaker:I would say in general, I'm not as consistent as I should
Speaker:be with my email newsletter.
Speaker:I haven't quite found my mojo with that one.
Speaker:And sometimes I find when you spread yourself a little thin,
Speaker:then you'll probably relate to this as well, I would imagine.
Speaker:Uh, that once you spread yourself too thin, then you don't keep up with
Speaker:things and that consistency drops.
Speaker:And I found that that's what's going on with my email newsletter.
Speaker:So that's just up for me to try and get systems and processes in place to make
Speaker:sure that I am consistent with that.
Speaker:It turns out like they're both different.
Speaker:I enjoy writing them and I write them very differently.
Speaker:I feel like the email newsletter is a little bit more personal.
Speaker:I feel like that's like the next level of connection with my audience.
Speaker:But either way, I love the long form content.
Speaker:For those of you interested, my open rates on LinkedIn newsletters
Speaker:are around 38 to 42% on average.
Speaker:My email newsletters are sitting around 60%, sometimes higher,
Speaker:sometimes lower, but it's a much smaller number, so that makes sense.
Speaker:But ultimately I love them both.
Speaker:Just, I find the LinkedIn newsletter just so much easier to grow and I'm, I've
Speaker:got my groove on as far as that goes.
Speaker:You know, I do that.
Speaker:I smash it out every single week.
Speaker:And if you stick around to the end of this episode, I'm gonna share
Speaker:exactly how i'm using my LinkedIn newsletter to grow my email newsletter.
Speaker:And then I've noticed that Substack is popping up probably every fourth post.
Speaker:It seems like every man and their dog now has a Substack account.
Speaker:I have just set one up.
Speaker:I'm gonna talk about that in a moment and share with you where
Speaker:it's at and what I think is actually causing people to wanna look at that.
Speaker:So we'll go into that next.
Speaker:But first of all, I wanna share a quick word about some of the new features
Speaker:from our podcast sponsors Metricool.
Speaker:The Substack buzz is very real on LinkedIn, I feel like yeah, as I said in
Speaker:the intro, probably every fourth or fifth post has got somebody sharing that they've
Speaker:just started on Substack and I should come across and follow or subscribe or whatever
Speaker:the right terminology is over there.
Speaker:And I took the bait.
Speaker:I wanted to know what everyone was so excited about.
Speaker:The FOMO kicked in and I thought, hey, I better go over there
Speaker:and check what's going on.
Speaker:I got as far as registering my account.
Speaker:Now, the reason that I think it's a good idea to do that, even if you
Speaker:do nothing else, is I was able to claim my username so I wanna show
Speaker:up as Michelle J Raymond everywhere.
Speaker:So I was able to get in early and claim that.
Speaker:So if you have a common name, uh, make sure you just go over and register.
Speaker:It costs nothing to sign in.
Speaker:So from that perspective, you know, no harm, no foul.
Speaker:You never do anything with it.
Speaker:The world's not gonna end, so it'll be fine.
Speaker:So I go across, I register, it's free, it's easy.
Speaker:I've got options there that I can do posts, I can have videos, and there's
Speaker:like, you know, subscriber options.
Speaker:I think this is what people are actually super keen to get, and that is the
Speaker:ownership of a community, just like email newsletters without algorithms getting
Speaker:involved between you and the community.
Speaker:And I think that's what people are craving.
Speaker:I think that's what is drawing them to Substack.
Speaker:As well as the opportunity, you can charge a fee for people to become
Speaker:subscribers and make money from this.
Speaker:If I think about how much content I've put out on LinkedIn and got
Speaker:not 1 cent from LinkedIn at all.
Speaker:Honestly, like it makes me want to cry some days.
Speaker:Now I get that I make money from it in other ways, don't feel sorry for me.
Speaker:Everything's under control.
Speaker:But ultimately, even if I look at my YouTube channel, which isn't that big,
Speaker:you know, I'm making a grand total of a couple hundred dollars a month these days.
Speaker:But ultimately that is more, again, considering how much time
Speaker:and effort I put into LinkedIn.
Speaker:That is not a reason to choose a platform or not choose a platform.
Speaker:You have to come back to your strategy.
Speaker:I have not started posting over on Substack.
Speaker:I do not understand enough about it to just want to dive in there.
Speaker:And go.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I'm just gonna post off for the sake of it.
Speaker:I like to have a little bit more research under my belt about best practices.
Speaker:I am looking forward to having an opportunity potentially to
Speaker:repurpose a lot of my existing content because I have a lot.
Speaker:I already have good systems on LinkedIn and repurposing content, and of course
Speaker:using Metricool helps us with that.
Speaker:Lil does all of that work.
Speaker:Do not think if you see my content everywhere, it is just me doing it.
Speaker:I have help, right?
Speaker:If you do not have help, before you bite off other platforms.
Speaker:If you haven't mastered one ie LinkedIn where you know your
Speaker:audience is, then please do not run off and spread yourself too thin.
Speaker:As I shared, I struggle to keep up with just the two newsletters, and
Speaker:ultimately from that perspective, I have to keep looking and checking
Speaker:in with myself and going, is this getting me closer to my goals, or is it
Speaker:distracting me because the FOMO is real?
Speaker:I'm spreading myself on other places that I really don't need to show up.
Speaker:Think about that for a moment, right?
Speaker:Are you going to do it because of FOMO?
Speaker:Or are you doing it because it aligns with your strategy, aligns with your
Speaker:goals, you know your audience is there, and so that is what's driving you
Speaker:towards other platforms like Substack.
Speaker:And you can apply this, whether it's Substack that you're considering, whether
Speaker:it's TikTok, whether it's YouTube, you know, have people come to me and say I
Speaker:wanna do this and I wanna do that, and I'm gonna start a podcast like, do you
Speaker:know how much work goes into a podcast?
Speaker:It is crazy.
Speaker:For the 20 minutes that you listen to.
Speaker:Just to give you an idea, I would estimate that that is around six to
Speaker:eight hours of work in our business, so you can enjoy 20 minutes.
Speaker:Crazy, right?
Speaker:So this happens with every platform.
Speaker:So don't go diving in.
Speaker:They are some of the ways that I would assess where I was going to spend my
Speaker:time and effort when it comes to LinkedIn newsletters, when it comes to email
Speaker:newsletters, when it comes to Substack.
Speaker:But after this short break, I wanna talk to you about how I'm
Speaker:leveraging LinkedIn newsletters in ways you may not have thought about.
Speaker:But if you start to do this.
Speaker:I promise you that you are going to have better conversations and
Speaker:maybe even discover warm leads that you haven't even considered.
Speaker:I love being able to save the best tips for those of you who listen all the way
Speaker:through the podcast, and this my friends, is something that I don't think many
Speaker:people out there are doing, and this is one of the pieces of gold that comes
Speaker:out of having a LinkedIn newsletter.
Speaker:When I talk about LinkedIn newsletters, why do I love them?
Speaker:As I said, because you get subscribers, but having them subscribe and just getting
Speaker:notified when your newsletters go out.
Speaker:Now mine goes out weekly, so it's pretty regular.
Speaker:That is just the foundation cool stuff that comes out of a
Speaker:LinkedIn newsletter subscriber.
Speaker:Have you actually realised that?
Speaker:If you go into your newsletter, you can then have a look at who is subscribed
Speaker:and it will show you who are your first degree connections, who are your second
Speaker:degree connections, or third, and anyone that is a second or third means that you
Speaker:are not actually connected with them.
Speaker:Now, if someone chooses to enjoy your newsletter.
Speaker:Something about your content has drawn them, and I go through my
Speaker:newsletter subscribers on LinkedIn.
Speaker:Have a look for those who are in my target audience.
Speaker:So shout out to the B2B marketers, anyone that's a social media manager,
Speaker:business owners that might be responsible for marketing within their business.
Speaker:That's who I love to work with.
Speaker:So I then send them a personal message from my Michelle J Raymond
Speaker:account and say, thank you for subscribing to my newsletter.
Speaker:I hope you enjoy it.
Speaker:It would be great to be connected as well.
Speaker:And from there I can open up conversations with people who often just accept 'cause
Speaker:they're familiar with my content and then I can start to ask them more questions
Speaker:around what drew them to the newsletter.
Speaker:What are they hoping to learn?
Speaker:I can offer to share other newsletters that I've done in the past that might be
Speaker:helpful for a problem that they've got.
Speaker:And it really starts a conversation and they are my warm leads.
Speaker:Like they are already familiar with who I am and what I do, and it's just
Speaker:about starting a conversation with them.
Speaker:And that is something that I don't think many people do.
Speaker:I think they just collect all the subscribers and don't think actually this
Speaker:is a great place to have a conversation because I know that my newsletters are
Speaker:really built on thought leadership.
Speaker:I get to expand what I think about certain topics, and I get to include different
Speaker:kinds of formats, so it's not just text.
Speaker:I embed my podcast episodes.
Speaker:I embed my YouTube videos.
Speaker:I show off my book in images or my speaking images, and there's so many
Speaker:different rich formats that you can put into your newsletter, so they're
Speaker:getting a taste of everything.
Speaker:Not only do I do this if I'm already connected with people, I use this
Speaker:same list to go through and say, thank you for subscribing to my LinkedIn
Speaker:newsletter, if you like this newsletter did you know that I also have an email
Speaker:newsletter where I share tips that I don't share on LinkedIn with anybody
Speaker:else except them, and I share them first.
Speaker:So if you wanna hear from me first, that is where you need to sign up.
Speaker:And most people, if they like one newsletter, they'll like the other one.
Speaker:And if they don't read it.
Speaker:It's fine.
Speaker:Like if they read one and not the other, that's fine.
Speaker:I've got two opportunities to stay in contact with them.
Speaker:And I would say I in general, because I add so much value in my
Speaker:LinkedIn newsletter and getting so many people excited to sign
Speaker:up for my email newsletter.
Speaker:So I'm now using the ease of LinkedIn helping me build
Speaker:my newsletter subscribers.
Speaker:To then direct them onto the newsletter list that I own.
Speaker:So it cuts down the amount of work.
Speaker:I get a high success rate of people actually accepting
Speaker:and wanting to join my list.
Speaker:And from there, it just makes my life so much easier.
Speaker:But I think at the end of the day when you are choosing whether it's email
Speaker:newsletter, whether it's LinkedIn newsletter, whether it's Substack
Speaker:or any of those other platforms, you have to do what feels right to you.
Speaker:Because if it feels inauthentic, you just won't do it consistently,
Speaker:and that becomes the real problem.
Speaker:To wrap this one up, I don't think the question you should ask yourself
Speaker:is really, is it newsletters, is it email, or is it Substack?
Speaker:The goal is actually the same.
Speaker:How can you create a connection and community with your audience
Speaker:and stay in contact with them?
Speaker:And for some of you, the algorithm can get in the way, and for some of you it might
Speaker:be helping you, but ultimately think about what are the goals that you have for your
Speaker:business, what's your game plan gonna be?
Speaker:So that you can allocate the right time and resources.
Speaker:And for many people, time is the deciding factor.
Speaker:You are better to stay focused.
Speaker:Do something at the highest level than what you are to spread yourself
Speaker:thin and come across as average or below standard or worse still
Speaker:almost blend in with the crowd.
Speaker:Because that will be completely ineffective.
Speaker:So my question for you listeners is do you have a newsletter?
Speaker:Have you tried the newsletters?
Speaker:Let me know in the comments, or I always welcome your messages over on LinkedIn.
Speaker:For those of you you know, genuinely wonder, is it me that responds?
Speaker:Yes, you'll be surprised.
Speaker:It really is me and I really am genuinely excited to hear from you.
Speaker:If you don't have a newsletter, let me know why not.
Speaker:If there's a challenge that you're having or a question that you've got,
Speaker:always makes great content ideas for me.
Speaker:I'm also gonna throw it out there.
Speaker:Listeners, I would love to hear from you.
Speaker:Do you have an idea for a podcast episode?
Speaker:I've never done this before, but I would love to do it.
Speaker:If you've got one, let me know and who knows?
Speaker:It may show up in the next few episodes because I create this podcast for you.
Speaker:How can you use LinkedIn to grow your business?
Speaker:So let me know what's getting in the way.
Speaker:Until next week.
Speaker:Cheers.