And welcome to another episode of ADHD Women's Wellbeing Wisdom.
HostLittle short, bite sized pieces of wisdom that I've curated from all the many, many episodes that have been recorded over this time.
HostAnd I really hope that this short insight will help you on the week ahead.
HostSo today I am sharing with you some ADHD women's wellbeing wisdom with Karen Broder.
HostNow, Karen was a guest of mine way back at the very beginning of this podcast, but there's still so much wisdom there.
HostAnd we talk about movement, we don't talk about exercise.
HostWe talk about the power of movement to help boost our dopamine in a healthy way and to be able to sort of reclaim our wellbeing using the power of movement.
HostSo it's just being able to access different ways of looking at movement exercise so we can reframe it.
HostSo it's not sort of this kind of like, oh, a necessity and it weighs us down.
HostIt's this sort of dread.
HostIt's actually being able to, to invite a fun way of moving our body, recognizing what it's doing to our mental wellbeing and embracing it to help with our adhd.
HostSo let's take a listen to this week's shorter episode with Karen Broder.
Karen BroderThis is what I coach on in my programs and in my community is this term called you'd movement flow.
Karen BroderAnd what I describe it as is finding some form of movement that so intently incorporates your body and your brain at the same time that everything goes quiet.
Karen BroderYour mind is really just focused on what's happening in the moment and it doesn't even have a chance to ping around to different thoughts or different things.
Karen BroderIt's really in this state of flow and it can look different for everyone.
Karen BroderAnd to find what that is for you, it's just thinking, okay, what activities have I stuck with?
Karen BroderWhat have I really loved in the past?
Karen BroderAnd starting there and then starting to deduce that down.
Karen BroderLike, when I do this activity that I love, am I just so in the moment that I could literally just do this forever, but my, you know, my body physically is going to probably give out before I want to.
Karen BroderThat's a really good path to go down to see, like, is that my movement flow?
Karen BroderIt's the things you do that you're like, I am just so focused on, you know, my breathing, coordinating my limbs, engaging my muscles just so, so in the moment things go quiet, it feels like this flow.
Karen BroderIt's challenging, but it also feels really inviting.
Karen BroderAnd that's the movement that I want you to follow.
Karen BroderBecause when you find that you're going to want to go do that, it's still challenging.
Karen BroderSo you're going to get so many benefits.
Karen BroderYou're going to grow in your strength, your stamina, your energy, whatever your goals are.
Karen BroderBut it's going to be inviting to do, and it's going to calm your mind and start to train your brain to be like, oh, I can focus on this.
Karen BroderI can do this.
Karen BroderI don't have to be bouncing around all the time.
Karen BroderAnd now that can also start with just ignoring what you think you should do.
Karen BroderLike, I love weightlifting.
Karen BroderYou love weightlifting.
Karen BroderI love circus, but I don't like playing soccer or basketball or anything.
Karen BroderKind of team sports, not my thing says ignoring you should do and finding what feels good.
HostYeah, me too.
HostAnd I've heard that a lot from different people that team sports is not really an ADHD thing.
HostBut maybe I'm wrong.
HostWhat I did hear today, which is funny that we're talking, is that I was listening to one of Tracy Otsuka's podcasts, and one of her podcasts, recent ones, was about exercise.
HostAnd I actually listened to it by chance, not because we were talking today and she said that she's never met someone, a female weightlifter, that isn't adhd.
HostShe said it's full of ADHD women, because it kind of ticks a lot of the things with regards to the dopamine and the challenge, I guess it's like an internal restlessness and this internal motor to keep kind of competing against yourself.
HostSo it was really interesting when you said, because I didn't know that you were, you know, that was your.
HostThe professional athlete side of you was the weightlifting.
HostSo it was really interesting that she said that because I think she used to do quite a lot of weightlifting.
HostBut also what I'd like to touch on is, as women, we have so many different cycles.
HostYou know, we've got the cycle of, obviously our physical cycle of menstruation, so of feeling different throughout the month.
HostWe've got puberty and, you know, adolescence.
HostThen we go into pregnancy and childbirth, and then we've obviously got sort of like perimenopause and menopause.
HostSo it's like our body is just constantly evolving.
HostEven though we say we enjoyed swimming or soccer growing up, as we got older, that cycle of our life might not be, you know, quite right for it.
HostOr on the flip side, if you're into yoga, you might have been like, really into, like, hardcore kind of vinyasa style.
HostYoga and then as you get older, you want to do something a little bit calmer like restorative yoga.
HostSo do you get a lot of women who come to you who are going through these different cycles and feel maybe like lost or stuck and not quite sure where to begin their movement process again?
Karen BroderYeah, definitely.
Karen BroderI'll start with giving the kind of my story a little bit more here and then touching on the clients I work with, which yeah, you hit the nail on the head again there where I was doing weightlifting or I started that I started because I loved it.
Karen BroderBut then it was really fueled by this need to be strong enough to also stay skinny and to feel like I'm enough.
Karen BroderAnd during that period of life I had, as we all do for the most part, just depends on how much self growth you want to do is a self growth journey.
Karen BroderSo I was growing myself and my mindset.
Karen BroderSo when I ended weightlifting, I was like, I kind of learned what I needed to learn during this journey.
Karen BroderThen I went into circus and at the time it was just really fun.
Karen BroderIt was really freeing.
Karen BroderIt was really great for my mind.
Karen BroderIt was so different.
Karen BroderBut over the last couple years, really over the last year, I realized this circus and like Arielle Silks journey is really about me learning to express myself and to be more vulnerable and to through movement show yeah that expression of what's really deep inside of me and find that creativity, which is rarely really hard for me, but it's matching my own self growth and mindset journey.
Karen BroderAnd that's why I'm really gravitating towards it, because it's a challenge, it's something I need and it's feeling really liberating as I start to overcome that challenge.
Karen BroderSo I talk with a lot of clients where they're like, oh, in high school I was an athlete or my 20s, you know, I played like competitive soccer.
Karen BroderI keep coming back to the soccer example.
Karen BroderI don't know why.
Karen BroderAnd then it's just shrouded with this.
Karen BroderI need to get back to that.
Karen BroderI should still enjoy soccer, I should still be doing this.
Karen BroderI should be at the same, you know, strength level or weight or fitness level as I did before.
Karen BroderAnd I always start with asking them, it's like, should you?
Karen BroderLike who said?
Karen BroderBecause what you liked before doesn't mean you have to still like that.
Karen BroderAnd then we go back to like, what activities light you up right now.
Karen BroderAnd if you're not sure, what aspects of activities do you have you liked in the past?
Karen BroderWhy did you like them?
Karen BroderDoes that still call to you and if not, what are you looking for in movement?
Karen BroderAnd let's start to brainstorm different activities that could feel really good for you right now based on your own self growth journey that like you said, also matches our own physical journey.
Karen BroderYou know, if you're trying to have kids or you did just have kids or you are going through menopause, what you need physically is also going to change.
HostI do feel there is this juxtaposition between having adhd, which, and I'm just going to say from a personal perspective, I have a lot of inner restlessness.
HostI wouldn't call myself the typically hyperactive, but I have to, I can sit for long periods of time.
HostI don't, you know, like tap my feet and I can sort of sit, but if I don't get out, you know, a couple of times a day to move my body, then it's almost like, it's like a pressure cooker inside me.
HostLike I can just feel something bubbling which is going to come out like in, you know, shouting at my kids or being irritable with my husband or just getting really impatient.
HostSo I know that if I've been on a walk in the morning, so that's my typical thing is I love walking my dog.
HostI'll go on a fast pace.
HostIt has to be fast paced.
HostI can't walk with people as I have lots of gorgeous friends who I can't walk with because they walk too slow for me.
HostSo I'm now I'm a pretty antisocial walker because if I don't walk to the pace that I can, I can't, I just can't walk.
HostIt's like I have to either walk that pace or not walk at all.
HostSo I've had times where I've had friends like trailing behind me and I'm like, you have to walk faster.
HostThey're like, you have to walk slow.
HostI was like, I can't walk slower.
HostAnd, and so yeah, it's, it's a bit of a funny one.
HostBut I, I know that a lot of other women suffer from a lack of motivation and this, this, they have, you know, they need to exercise.
HostThey know they need to and they know they want to and they know they should be exercising.
HostBut they are standing in their own way.
HostTheir ADHD brain, this neurological makeup, which has got nothing to do with our personality.
HostAnd it's not a flaw, it's not a character, you know, trait.
HostIt is literally our brains standing in our way.
HostAnd so I know that there's lots of different ways that we can hack our brains.
HostYou know, neuroplasticity, we've got these amazing neural, neural pathways that can be, you know, changed over time.
HostSo how do you help people that come to you that say I want to exercise and all day I spend, you know, saying I'm going to and then it gets to like 7pm and I've still not done it again.
HostAnd that is obviously going to contribute to mental health problems.
HostIt's going to contribute to, you know, depression, anxiety, shame, guilt, anger, resentment, all the things which then has a knock on effect to the rest of your life.
HostSo you know, it sounds like it's, you know, just going out for a walk is such an easy thing to do but for some people it really isn't.
HostAnd that, you know, can affect your career, your relationships, so many things.
HostAnd so I wanted to address that today to, to be able to offer people some brain hacks and tips to try and you know, I guess override their ADHD brains, which gives us so much but also is a bit of a hurdle for many of us as well.
Karen BroderYeah, this is question of the century and really my coaching is focused on creating consistent exercise habits.
Karen BroderThat is my bread and butter.
Karen BroderIt's what I've worked with clients on to create success and I look at it a little bit differently.
Karen BroderSo I call it my mindset method and I'll explain it with using an analogy because I feel like sometimes that's the easiest way to really get a grasp on it.
Karen BroderSo in order to create a consistent exercise habit, if I just kept giving you all the hacks and tricks, they would work for a short period of time.
Karen BroderBut as we know, you'll probably fall off again in a week, two weeks, 30 days time.
Karen BroderSo this mindset method, I want you to think of a house.
Karen BroderSo for a house to stand, to be furnished, it needs different parts.
Karen BroderThe first thing you need is a foundation, a really sturdy foundation.
Karen BroderOr like myself, I live in a tiny home on wheels.
Karen BroderI have a very sturdy trailer to live on and that is the mindset piece.
Karen BroderAnd mindset being a catch all term, but it's really diving into these self sabotaging beliefs, things that you carried from childhood from like who raised you or the people around you.
Karen BroderIt's all the thoughts that and beliefs that are in your subconscious and conscious brain that are essentially preventing you from sticking with some sort of movement.
Karen BroderSo that's the foundation we need to address that first and simultaneously as we continue to build an exercise habit.
Karen BroderThe second thing for that you need is a house on this foundation.
Karen BroderThe house is the same system, and I call this your fitness system.
Karen BroderThink of it like a habit.
Karen BroderIt's something that you're going to put on autopilot or systemize so you know what to expect every day.
Karen BroderAnd you're really breaking down the barriers to exercise whatever you choose.
Karen BroderSo it's easy.
Karen BroderIt doesn't feel like you have to plan or, you know, do all these things.
Karen BroderThat feels overwhelming.
Karen BroderIt's just easy.
Karen BroderYou show up, you know, the day at that time, and it just feels inviting.
Karen BroderSo that's the house and you need that on the foundation, which is the mindset.
Karen BroderThe third thing is, I mean, everyone's favorite is the decor and the furniture for the house that you go shopping at like Urban Barn for that.
Karen BroderThose things are all the hacks, the like, tips and tricks.
Karen BroderBut if you just had that, without a house to put them in and without a foundation to put the house on, they're never going to last.
Karen BroderIt's like putting furniture outside in the rain.
Karen BroderIt's going to get damaged right away.
Karen BroderSo when I work with clients, we address the mindset piece first or we start to dive into that.
Karen BroderIt's like, okay, what is really causing you to get in your own way?
Karen BroderAnd often for us, it's not, I'm not good enough, or if I do this workout plan, it's not enough.
Karen BroderI need to do more.
Karen BroderSo then it's like this all or nothing approach.
Karen BroderSo we start to uncover where is the root of this?
Karen BroderWhy are you holding this in your subconscious that's causing you to get in your own way.
Karen BroderAnd as we're tackling that, we start to build the system.
Karen BroderAnd this is before we start to put in all the fun tips and tricks.
Karen BroderAnd the system is, yeah, putting on autopilot.
Karen BroderSo to give everyone who's listening how to get started with a system is find, of course, the movement you love.
Karen BroderThat's going to be the most important because then you're going to look forward to doing it.
Karen BroderAnd I have some videos I can also link in the show notes to that and how to find that.
Karen BroderBut for your system, you want to essentially automate your workouts.
Karen BroderNot so you're not present or mindless in your workouts, but everything around the workouts.
Karen BroderSo say every Monday you are going to go swimming first thing in the morning.
Karen BroderThat means when you wake up Monday morning, you already have your swim bag packed.
Karen BroderBecause, you know, every Monday in the morning you go swimming and you go the Same pool at the same time.
Karen BroderAnd you follow maybe a same type of swim workout, or you set your timer for 30 minutes, whatever that looks like.
Karen BroderSo you have this whole system set up around it.
Karen BroderYou know exactly what you're doing.
Karen BroderIt's really easy to show up for that.
Karen BroderAnd then every Tuesday, you're like, I go for my morning walk every single Tuesday, so I already know, make sure I have clean socks and that my shoes are ready.
Karen BroderAnd even if it's raining, I know to bring an umbrella.
Karen BroderAnd you do that every single Tuesday.
Karen BroderAnd I encourage people to have the same relative time every single day, so it's easier to create that system.
Karen BroderThe reason this is so important to do the same thing, it gives us structure.
Karen BroderWe love structure, but it still gives you lots of flexibility, which we also need.
Karen BroderSo within the actual workout, you know, when you're walking, it's like, well, maybe you're doing a power walk, maybe you're doing an interval type style walking.
Karen BroderWhen you're swimming, maybe you're doing a different type of swim workout.
Karen BroderAnd as you continue to do this, it builds, trusting yourself that you can do this.
Karen BroderBecause when you tell yourself, I'm going to go walking Tuesday morning, every Tuesday morning, you're creating a promise or you're making a promise to yourself.
Karen BroderAnd when you keep it, you're building trust.
Karen BroderThe more trust you can build in yourself, the easier and easier it becomes to continue this exercise habit, this fitness system.
Karen BroderAnd then you can start to be more intuitive as you know, you move along.
Karen BroderAnd you don't want to be as regimented or as structured, but you could always come back to the system, too.
Karen BroderBut the big underlying piece is tackling those beliefs that are holding you back and causing you to get in your own way.
Karen BroderAnd then of course, we can throw in the tips and tricks of, you know, all the things you can find online on Instagram, those tips.
HostSo I hope you enjoyed listening to this shorter episode of the ADHD Women's Wellbeing podcast.
HostI've called it the ADHD Women's Wellbeing Wisdom.
HostBecause I believe there's so much wisdom in the guests that I have on and their insights.
HostSo sometimes we just need that little bit of a reminder, and I hope that has helped you today and look forward to seeing you back on the brand new episode on Thursday.
HostHave a good rest of your week.