1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:07,860 Hello and welcome to B W B Extra where we get to know c e o and founder of Axiom Robert Wesson. 2 00:00:07,950 --> 00:00:08,730 A little better. 3 00:00:09,780 --> 00:00:24,510 We hear how Robert went from backpacking in Australia to stockbroking in London, how his life was massively shaped by living through the tsunami and losing his dad both at the same time, as well as talking about future plans for Axiom breaking into North America. 4 00:00:26,494 --> 00:00:37,835 Let's sort of wind the clock back a bit and we left you, I think having done two years in Thailand, moved to Australia, got a sort of first job in banking. 5 00:00:38,195 --> 00:00:40,385 How come you're back here doing what you're doing? 6 00:00:40,535 --> 00:00:41,525 How did we get from there? 7 00:00:41,530 --> 00:00:41,685 Dear you? 8 00:00:41,685 --> 00:00:43,925 Well, do you want the real story or do you want the Yes. 9 00:00:43,955 --> 00:00:47,644 Yeah, definitely involves a woman, a gun, and a dog. 10 00:00:48,144 --> 00:00:48,875 No involve. 11 00:00:49,114 --> 00:00:52,235 So in the old days, this has now changed, thankfully. 12 00:00:52,725 --> 00:00:58,695 So in the old days in Australia when you're under 30, you got a holiday visa or a working holiday visa for one year. 13 00:00:58,815 --> 00:00:59,175 Fine. 14 00:00:59,894 --> 00:01:02,114 You could only work for one company for three months. 15 00:01:02,565 --> 00:01:11,155 If you wanted to have your second year visa, you had to go and do three months worth of fruit picking or like, you know, non sort of office based roles in cities. 16 00:01:12,104 --> 00:01:16,005 So, very long story short, tried it a few times, varying different degrees of success. 17 00:01:16,425 --> 00:01:17,804 Um, it was pretty hideous actually. 18 00:01:17,804 --> 00:01:21,645 My experience was, was pretty poor, you know, involving sort of, Hey, it's very hard. 19 00:01:21,735 --> 00:01:27,585 Yeah, I mean, just to give you a flavor, so I was out in the middle of, in Mildura, which is sort of in between Adelaide and, and Melbourne, sort of outback. 20 00:01:27,585 --> 00:01:31,335 It was 55 degrees, you know, the sort of the locals were was and the farmers were nicking you lunch. 21 00:01:31,340 --> 00:01:32,175 There was no water. 22 00:01:32,175 --> 00:01:34,475 You were sort of bust from this hideous sort of hostel. 23 00:01:35,340 --> 00:01:36,570 Uh, into the middle of nowhere. 24 00:01:36,570 --> 00:01:46,680 And basically I had to stand behind a tractor that was unraveling tar paulin from the year before that had been stuck in a, in a barn with sort of snakes and rats and stagnant water and all sorts. 25 00:01:46,685 --> 00:01:57,600 And you had to, every meter is all day, so you get to sort of step sideways, every meter, wrap a sort of 50 cents coin to your thumb and pull the tar paulin over the vines and stick a nail in it to sort of protect it from the sun. 26 00:01:57,900 --> 00:01:59,610 But you're doing this all day for no money. 27 00:01:59,615 --> 00:02:01,080 And it was, and it was terr, terr. 28 00:02:01,380 --> 00:02:03,690 And then in the evenings they had a big problem with ab aboriginals and. 29 00:02:04,095 --> 00:02:07,245 There's lots of racism and it was pretty hideous really. 30 00:02:07,335 --> 00:02:12,345 And anyway, so I met this farmer and he said, oh look, pay me $500 and I'll just sign your paperwork for you. 31 00:02:12,495 --> 00:02:13,635 So quite a lot of people did it. 32 00:02:13,755 --> 00:02:24,990 And, and I, uh, I followed suit and then, you know, anyway, I got a phone call from the farmer a few, a few months later saying, oh, by the way, mate, I've been investigated, you know, I've been busted, expected a phone call from, so are you? 33 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:26,460 Yeah, basically. 34 00:02:27,060 --> 00:02:32,040 So I dunno if there's any, uh, double, you know, I don't get in trouble for this, but, uh, anyway, so I, I had a girlfriend. 35 00:02:32,045 --> 00:02:34,020 Stock sheet of limitations has probably gone by now. 36 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:35,700 So I, I'd applied for my second year visa. 37 00:02:35,700 --> 00:02:36,390 I had a girlfriend. 38 00:02:36,395 --> 00:02:38,850 I was working for a stockbrokers in Sydney, or God, what a switch. 39 00:02:38,855 --> 00:02:39,571 Stockbrokers to that. 40 00:02:39,576 --> 00:02:40,170 Yeah, yeah. 41 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:41,400 Well, I went back to art. 42 00:02:41,580 --> 00:02:44,910 So they got re-employed by the same business, but for in a different role. 43 00:02:45,235 --> 00:02:51,775 And, um, anyway, so I was, you have your sort of Visa portal on the, on the website and you sort of, you wait for it to sort of tick through. 44 00:02:51,775 --> 00:02:53,365 It's like an Amazon sort of delivery thing. 45 00:02:53,455 --> 00:02:58,045 Yeah, and I got this phone call, so I said to my girlfriend, I'm really sorry, you know, that's it, you know, I'm off type of thing. 46 00:02:58,050 --> 00:02:59,725 So actually applied for my New Zealand visa. 47 00:02:59,725 --> 00:03:03,806 My brother was living in New Zealand, so I got my New Zealand visa and I planned and booked a fly and was gonna. 48 00:03:04,330 --> 00:03:06,670 Leave my girlfriend, go to New Zealand, you know, thanks a lot. 49 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:11,950 And then over the Christmas period, I was in my office and I was talking to some bloke that was just starting his visa application. 50 00:03:11,950 --> 00:03:14,710 I said, look, I'll show you the, the platform I logged online. 51 00:03:14,710 --> 00:03:15,610 And it said, approved. 52 00:03:16,060 --> 00:03:16,570 I said, oh wow. 53 00:03:17,170 --> 00:03:20,200 So apparently I've, I've got my Visa, I'm not going anywhere. 54 00:03:20,290 --> 00:03:23,920 But I was told that cause it was a Christmas period and they have various quotas. 55 00:03:24,190 --> 00:03:27,580 So per week you have, you know, people from the, in the back, you know, hostels. 56 00:03:27,580 --> 00:03:29,950 You meet people that worked in the department up in Queensland or whatever. 57 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,780 And this could be all complete bullshit, but this is what the rumor on the street was, let's say. 58 00:03:34,170 --> 00:03:37,920 And then they have certain round of quotas you have to investigate, you have to push through, whatever, whatever. 59 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,820 And we think because of the time of year, I think it was just luck and they just went off. 60 00:03:41,820 --> 00:03:43,860 You know, you are in the bucket of get on with it. 61 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:44,760 So anyway. 62 00:03:44,765 --> 00:03:46,650 Anyway, so I, I ended up staying. 63 00:03:47,385 --> 00:03:51,555 And then I worked, uh, in banking and it was June, 2008, so the market crashed. 64 00:03:52,035 --> 00:03:54,945 My plan was to stay, get a Visa sponsorship, you know, get sponsored. 65 00:03:54,945 --> 00:04:01,454 And I was working for a firm and they said, right, you know, you have to, we can't sponsor you anymore because the, the, the market's crashing and all the Australians are coming home. 66 00:04:01,454 --> 00:04:03,825 So the government stopped non-essential visas. 67 00:04:04,105 --> 00:04:07,215 So they said, go back to London and six months time we'll send you back to Sydney. 68 00:04:07,394 --> 00:04:08,234 You know, no problems. 69 00:04:08,970 --> 00:04:10,050 Left kicking and screaming. 70 00:04:10,050 --> 00:04:11,220 Absolutely loved Australia. 71 00:04:11,250 --> 00:04:12,720 You know, loved everything about it at the time. 72 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:18,930 If you'd just said to me then that you never would, you hadn't have been back in the last sort of 12, 15 years, I would've said, you're crazy. 73 00:04:19,589 --> 00:04:22,560 Six months came, came round, and then my boss said, you wanna go back to Sydney? 74 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,700 And I said, no thanks. 75 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:26,130 I, I quite like London and quite like living in, in Europe again. 76 00:04:26,130 --> 00:04:27,400 And that was 15 years ago. 77 00:04:28,755 --> 00:04:30,435 Can you see a long-term goal now? 78 00:04:30,435 --> 00:04:38,685 Can you see, you know, or you know, do you have a, a, a sort of something you really want to achieve or, I think I've come to the, to sort of a realization that if you're lucky enough to be 79 00:04:38,690 --> 00:04:47,205 able to give your trip, your kids the gift of travel and, and the gift of sort of freedom of movement to a degree or as much as you're allowed to, then I would love to work to a point where I'm. 80 00:04:47,594 --> 00:04:52,335 Giving my family the opportunity to discover the world, see the world have opportunity. 81 00:04:52,335 --> 00:04:55,905 So the kids will have, or, or the older two do have dual citizenship. 82 00:04:55,909 --> 00:04:57,435 Sammy will have dual citizenship. 83 00:04:57,974 --> 00:05:01,515 You know, travel is, my kids might turn around and go, dad, we hate it. 84 00:05:01,515 --> 00:05:02,235 We wanna stay an eing. 85 00:05:03,015 --> 00:05:03,705 But that's up to them. 86 00:05:03,945 --> 00:05:06,526 You know, I, I, I'm, I'm pretty, pretty pro shit can happen. 87 00:05:07,035 --> 00:05:08,355 Shit can happen too. 88 00:05:08,415 --> 00:05:10,005 It could be handy, you know? 89 00:05:10,095 --> 00:05:10,815 No, no, exactly. 90 00:05:10,815 --> 00:05:13,955 And I, and I think yeah, you're giving them the tools to do whatever they found. 91 00:05:14,025 --> 00:05:14,315 Yeah. 92 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,375 Get the hell out of England. 93 00:05:15,375 --> 00:05:16,365 Leave us alone. 94 00:05:16,995 --> 00:05:22,555 Well, I mean, we, we, yeah, tra travel's important and, um, being able to sort of have a life where I. 95 00:05:22,555 --> 00:05:24,905 Travel is part of that, I think is, is great. 96 00:05:25,925 --> 00:05:28,715 What's the, uh, biggest problem facing your business? 97 00:05:28,895 --> 00:05:32,465 Well, the biggest problems, uh, my business I think is we're being spread too thin. 98 00:05:32,465 --> 00:05:43,865 You know, we've built a, a, an excellent team of, we, we have a frictionless workforce because we rely very heavily on our regulated partners for a lot of the, the sections of the business that require compliance, you know, it, whatever. 99 00:05:43,925 --> 00:05:48,344 So the idea of our business is we wanted to have a streamlined, And, and minimal headcount. 100 00:05:48,975 --> 00:05:56,534 So yeah, being, being spread too thinly and, and not being able to sort of replace with, with high level talent is probably a pretty common problem. 101 00:05:56,534 --> 00:05:57,465 Pretty common problem. 102 00:05:57,465 --> 00:06:03,115 To be fair, it's part of growth too, cuz you can't, if you hire loaded people, you don't have the work, then they're inefficient and they don't have anything to do. 103 00:06:03,115 --> 00:06:03,195 I wouldn. 104 00:06:03,201 --> 00:06:03,375 Yeah. 105 00:06:03,395 --> 00:06:05,034 I I would rather, I would rather not do that. 106 00:06:05,094 --> 00:06:10,915 And we are in the most currently hopefully hiring one or two, you know, very senior, um, people within Union Canada. 107 00:06:10,915 --> 00:06:11,755 Well, what do you think the problem. 108 00:06:12,250 --> 00:06:14,850 The problem all with getting high level kind of people. 109 00:06:15,220 --> 00:06:26,140 We've, the business has been merged for three years, but I've been doing this pushing 20, or certainly sort of 15, 20, you know, so the network has existed long before Axiom has been around and, and I think that we've been very successful. 110 00:06:26,145 --> 00:06:27,550 We've obviously hit a bit of a niche. 111 00:06:27,820 --> 00:06:29,981 We're growing very quickly with scaling it through JVs, et cetera. 112 00:06:30,735 --> 00:06:36,075 So for us, it may be more that people look at you and go, well, you know, is this, are they the real deal? 113 00:06:36,415 --> 00:06:36,875 Do you know what I mean? 114 00:06:36,875 --> 00:06:37,595 It just starts up. 115 00:06:38,585 --> 00:06:38,875 Yeah. 116 00:06:38,895 --> 00:06:46,545 And that's where I think, you know, maybe that, and again, that's where from a, from a, a sales perspective being introduced to our clients is the key. 117 00:06:46,595 --> 00:06:54,335 Because we are introduced by people like Andy, by the British government, by the trusted the trust introduction, these guys, it works like, yeah, it, it does. 118 00:06:55,055 --> 00:06:56,495 I'm not joshing you kind of thing. 119 00:06:56,495 --> 00:06:56,555 Yeah. 120 00:06:56,555 --> 00:06:57,005 Regularly. 121 00:06:57,005 --> 00:06:58,175 I'm having to sit there. 122 00:06:58,265 --> 00:06:58,595 Yeah. 123 00:06:58,685 --> 00:07:04,235 And yeah, it's exactly right cuz the positioning of an accountant or lawyer, it's, I, because I have to say things like, Shares. 124 00:07:04,295 --> 00:07:04,445 Yeah. 125 00:07:04,445 --> 00:07:04,446 Yeah. 126 00:07:04,451 --> 00:07:04,985 Do you know what I mean? 127 00:07:04,985 --> 00:07:07,535 I'm not getting commit, I'm just telling you It's okay. 128 00:07:07,535 --> 00:07:09,815 You know, and they're still, they're still nervous about it. 129 00:07:09,965 --> 00:07:12,905 It's almost like you need to get, you know, you must have to repeat yourself all day. 130 00:07:12,995 --> 00:07:15,425 It's almost like we need to get Warren Buffet to make a video or something. 131 00:07:15,425 --> 00:07:15,815 Well, not, yeah. 132 00:07:16,085 --> 00:07:28,705 But I think once people understand around the sort of the, the, the, the reg, you know, I always say that, Once people get their head around the fact that their T's and C's are with the regulated entity and their funds are safeguarded by Barclay's, everyone's much happier with Axiom's involvement. 133 00:07:29,034 --> 00:07:32,695 Axiom's involvement is the conjugate between the client and the regulated partner. 134 00:07:32,905 --> 00:07:37,765 We are here to sort of foster that relationship and, and put time and effort into it that the bank doesn't do. 135 00:07:38,910 --> 00:07:42,450 What are you most excited about for your business growth of North America? 136 00:07:42,660 --> 00:07:48,960 JVs, you know, really taking this to sort of, you know, we have some pretty large corporate as clients, but again, I mean, I, I think we're building that credibility 137 00:07:48,965 --> 00:07:55,950 that we are sitting at a, a bigger table now and, and being able to genuinely look people in the eyes and say this work, we will add value to your business. 138 00:07:55,950 --> 00:07:57,990 It's up to you whether you want to do it or not, that's fine. 139 00:07:58,050 --> 00:08:06,390 But, you know, I'm very excited about really taking this product and pioneering the product range to the larger corporates and saying, this is helpful to your business. 140 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:17,190 And now a quick word from our sponsor, business Without Bullshit is brought to you by Ari Clark, straight Talking Financial and legal advice since 1935. 141 00:08:17,670 --> 00:08:20,070 You can find us@ariclark.com. 142 00:08:21,715 --> 00:08:23,835 What's your, um, biggest fuck up? 143 00:08:23,985 --> 00:08:29,925 If you reshape the question a little bit, you know, what, what has been a fuck up in your life and, and therefore what have you learned from it then? 144 00:08:29,925 --> 00:08:32,145 I mean, I was in the tsunami in 2004. 145 00:08:32,145 --> 00:08:34,455 That's why I ended up in, I was only meant to be in Thailand for one year. 146 00:08:34,455 --> 00:08:42,255 I ended up staying for two years because I was working at a school and, and helped rebuild the community and getting kids back in the water as a swimming coach, et cetera. 147 00:08:42,314 --> 00:08:43,455 And then my dad passed away. 148 00:08:43,605 --> 00:08:44,235 What was his name? 149 00:08:44,324 --> 00:08:45,135 His name was William. 150 00:08:45,194 --> 00:08:45,465 Big up. 151 00:08:45,465 --> 00:08:45,795 William. 152 00:08:45,885 --> 00:08:46,095 Yeah. 153 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:48,314 And he, uh, he died of a heart attack in the gym, changing room. 154 00:08:48,580 --> 00:09:00,730 You know, and I think what I learned from all from those things was that life, life does change very, very quickly, very quickly, you know, for, for the tsunami, uh, uh, life change, because this great big wave came that no one knew was coming, and then my mobile phone rang. 155 00:09:01,155 --> 00:09:04,425 My little brother rang me from university and, and he said, you know, dad's dead. 156 00:09:04,515 --> 00:09:12,405 You know, and you, when you hear those, that phrase on your mobile phone, your life changes forever is I think I was 21 or 22 or whatever I was. 157 00:09:12,464 --> 00:09:19,485 And I think understanding, or at least me trying to understand, you know, I said life changes quite quickly, but, you know, and I think the positives that came from it 158 00:09:19,485 --> 00:09:28,064 was how you, how I then shaped, hopefully shaped some direction in my life because of the experiences that I've had, which are pretty heavy experiences to have under 23. 159 00:09:28,635 --> 00:09:32,265 You know, the tsunami was, if the tsunami hadn't happened, I don't think I'd be sitting here. 160 00:09:32,895 --> 00:09:35,965 And I think if my dad hadn't died, I don't, I don't think I would've Well you wouldn't be sitting here. 161 00:09:36,105 --> 00:09:38,295 No, I don't think something, my life would've gone on a very different path. 162 00:09:38,295 --> 00:09:42,405 I mean, I wanted to be a bar owner in Thailand and, and do sports journalism, you know, genuinely. 163 00:09:42,545 --> 00:09:43,565 And the tsunami changed. 164 00:09:43,565 --> 00:09:47,415 Yeah, the tsunami I changed cause I, I stayed in two years in, in Thailand instead. 165 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:52,405 And you know, I think your understanding of just everything from religion to sort of how people dealt with, with trauma Yeah. 166 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,260 How, you know, how grief really affect guilt. 167 00:09:55,290 --> 00:09:57,960 I mean, guilt was horrendous for, for many years. 168 00:09:57,990 --> 00:10:01,860 You know, ultimately, you know, I was an 18 year old bloke living on the beach that was getting drunk most nights. 169 00:10:01,860 --> 00:10:07,230 And, and I, you know, happened to, to, to, to fly to Coasta movie the day before the tsunami happened. 170 00:10:07,230 --> 00:10:08,460 And, you know, I missed it. 171 00:10:08,490 --> 00:10:11,370 You know, basically I lived in p I lived in baton, I had a flat in baton. 172 00:10:11,850 --> 00:10:12,270 Ah, okay. 173 00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:14,180 So you happened to be go leave the area. 174 00:10:14,185 --> 00:10:14,310 Yeah. 175 00:10:14,310 --> 00:10:19,590 Me and my friends, we, we, we basically decided to go, we were in the pub and we decided we won't have Christmas in Pouquette cause we live in Pettet. 176 00:10:19,590 --> 00:10:21,020 We'll go to KOMO instead in komo. 177 00:10:21,050 --> 00:10:21,340 Yeah. 178 00:10:21,345 --> 00:10:22,560 Cause it was Boxing Day, wasn't it? 179 00:10:22,565 --> 00:10:26,940 Boxing Day I was in, my ex-girlfriend rang me on the beach and she said, you know, I said, happy, happy birthday. 180 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:27,460 Oh, happy Christmas. 181 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:28,860 And she said, where are, she? 182 00:10:28,860 --> 00:10:29,640 Said, I'm on the beach. 183 00:10:29,730 --> 00:10:30,220 She said, what are you doing on the beach? 184 00:10:30,220 --> 00:10:31,770 Get, and I had no idea what she was talking about. 185 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,200 And we went out and we saw it on the tv and we were like, oh my God. 186 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,880 Actually we were the first people to fly back into puke. 187 00:10:36,795 --> 00:10:38,625 We actually were allowed to fly back in that night. 188 00:10:38,625 --> 00:10:42,525 The guilt because your friends were there, or, well, Gil, guilt, because I think you realized that, you know, there. 189 00:10:42,915 --> 00:10:52,185 But for the grace of God, I mean, it's just like, yeah, I mean, I, my, my relationship with spiritualism, my relationship with sort of, you know, trying to think, is there, you know, I was from a little village in Kent 190 00:10:52,275 --> 00:11:01,710 that like playing cricket and, and having the occasional pint, you know, Being in the tsunami and being in, you know, he's like waking up in, you know, in a war torn country, you know, there was dead bodies everywhere. 191 00:11:01,710 --> 00:11:03,510 There was devastation everywhere. 192 00:11:03,510 --> 00:11:05,700 You know, kids that I taught that were four and five had died. 193 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:07,890 You know, we had children that were at the school that'd lost everyone. 194 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:13,200 Parents, sisters were orphaned, you know, and then I was sitting, hanging, well, hang on, you know, why was I as an 18 year old? 195 00:11:13,770 --> 00:11:15,960 You know, essentially span this, like, you know. 196 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:16,500 Yeah, absolutely. 197 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:24,689 And again, you know, that seriously shaped, you know, my thinking on life and understanding of life and what I kind of, you know, those, those experiences were pretty, you know, pretty full off. 198 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:24,931 I think. 199 00:11:24,939 --> 00:11:31,380 I think what, um, you can take from that, and I, I would say, say to anyone going, because everyone goes through shit is life. 200 00:11:31,380 --> 00:11:31,819 We're all gonna die. 201 00:11:32,370 --> 00:11:38,880 It's tough, you know, my dad brought me up that life is tough and, um, I think the thing is these things happen. 202 00:11:39,285 --> 00:11:42,355 And just, you know, good and bad things will come out of it, you know? 203 00:11:42,355 --> 00:11:42,475 Yeah. 204 00:11:42,495 --> 00:11:46,485 It's, it's not, it's not like a bad thing's happen and everything's bad from there. 205 00:11:46,725 --> 00:11:47,115 You know? 206 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:52,725 It, it, it, it's like losing someone If a lot of people love that person, everyone who loves them, they don't remember the bad bits. 207 00:11:52,725 --> 00:11:53,715 They remember the good bits. 208 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:53,805 Yeah. 209 00:11:53,805 --> 00:11:53,806 Yeah. 210 00:11:53,811 --> 00:11:56,775 And they changed themselves and said, I'm gonna be a better human, you know? 211 00:11:56,775 --> 00:11:56,925 Yeah. 212 00:11:56,930 --> 00:12:05,145 And I remember the brothers at the time, I'm one of three boys, and, and we said, look, everyone goes through this at different stages of their lives, you know, every, every single person, you know, goes through this. 213 00:12:05,190 --> 00:12:06,420 At a different stage. 214 00:12:06,450 --> 00:12:06,690 Yeah. 215 00:12:06,930 --> 00:12:08,130 Grief is very personal. 216 00:12:08,130 --> 00:12:14,730 So we sort of said, look, as long as you're not being a massive dickhead, you know, grief is personal, so you're allowed to grieve in however way and we'll support you. 217 00:12:14,735 --> 00:12:18,390 We won't, it's very difficult when people say, oh, you know, you should do this, and I did that. 218 00:12:18,390 --> 00:12:19,170 And it's like, yeah, that's fine. 219 00:12:19,170 --> 00:12:19,770 Thanks for the advice. 220 00:12:19,770 --> 00:12:21,090 But, you know, he's quite personal, isn't it? 221 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:28,740 And, and you know, I think just being allowed to, to, to be yourself in those situations, but as you say to to know that, you know, life does carry on and. 222 00:12:29,745 --> 00:12:31,605 What's your passion outside of business? 223 00:12:31,610 --> 00:12:33,045 You said clearly sport of some of, yeah. 224 00:12:33,045 --> 00:12:34,005 Well, I mean family. 225 00:12:34,005 --> 00:12:37,485 I, I'm a, I I do love the boys and, and my wife, but uh, yeah, travel and sport. 226 00:12:37,545 --> 00:12:39,615 So it's travel sport, then the family. 227 00:12:39,615 --> 00:12:39,675 Yeah. 228 00:12:41,055 --> 00:12:41,345 Yeah. 229 00:12:41,865 --> 00:12:42,645 Solo traveling's. 230 00:12:42,650 --> 00:12:43,185 Much better. 231 00:12:44,475 --> 00:12:46,426 You are one of three boys and now you've got three boys. 232 00:12:46,431 --> 00:12:49,035 Yeah, so I'm a very proud stepfather to the older two. 233 00:12:49,035 --> 00:12:52,725 Ollie's nine, Archie's six, and, and Sammy is, uh, just over two. 234 00:12:52,725 --> 00:12:55,245 But uh, but yeah, we are three boys, so yeah. 235 00:12:55,245 --> 00:12:57,145 Fab, sport, travel, eating. 236 00:12:58,050 --> 00:12:58,890 Being with friends. 237 00:12:59,160 --> 00:12:59,460 Yeah. 238 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,460 What's the best piece of advice you've ever been given? 239 00:13:02,910 --> 00:13:06,350 Well, there's a slightly rude one that my old man used to say, but, um, oh wait. 240 00:13:06,450 --> 00:13:06,950 We do rude. 241 00:13:07,530 --> 00:13:08,110 If you don't mind. 242 00:13:08,110 --> 00:13:08,310 Rude. 243 00:13:08,340 --> 00:13:11,220 Well, it's more just, you know, mind your Ps and Qs. 244 00:13:11,220 --> 00:13:13,650 You never know who you're talking to, you know, have your shirt tucked in. 245 00:13:14,385 --> 00:13:16,334 Just don't be a dickhead basically, you know? 246 00:13:16,395 --> 00:13:20,234 And, uh, you know, I think that's, that's pretty solid in, in various forms. 247 00:13:20,295 --> 00:13:21,854 Try and be the best version of yourself. 248 00:13:23,025 --> 00:13:29,454 What advice would you give your younger self fly to Koosa me Christmas Eve? 249 00:13:30,344 --> 00:13:31,635 Don't be a Crystal Palace fan. 250 00:13:31,935 --> 00:13:32,234 No. 251 00:13:32,234 --> 00:13:33,915 Um, are they doing badly? 252 00:13:34,245 --> 00:13:37,064 Well, we're always doing some form of badly, but that's not the point. 253 00:13:37,214 --> 00:13:37,334 Yeah. 254 00:13:37,334 --> 00:13:38,895 I think just don't panic. 255 00:13:38,925 --> 00:13:40,964 You know, I think, you know, you were talking about advice a minute ago. 256 00:13:41,025 --> 00:13:46,485 You know, I think a lot of people do talk about being patient, especially in business and, and I think your twenties. 257 00:13:46,485 --> 00:13:47,685 I had a great time, my twenties. 258 00:13:48,210 --> 00:13:51,270 Traveled loads, drank loaves, loads of friends, you know, fantastic life. 259 00:13:51,270 --> 00:13:55,050 But you know, it, it was probably a bit full on in, in stages. 260 00:13:55,050 --> 00:13:58,740 And I think maybe just, just, just be patient, you know, life grows, life evolves. 261 00:13:59,100 --> 00:13:59,700 Don't panic. 262 00:13:59,730 --> 00:14:01,770 Calm down, keep tracking along. 263 00:14:02,370 --> 00:14:05,040 Do the right things, right, you know, things fall into place. 264 00:14:06,270 --> 00:14:12,750 And, uh, finally, is there anything you'd recommend anyone to listen to watch, uh, gut Health Podcasts? 265 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:13,140 Yeah. 266 00:14:13,230 --> 00:14:13,520 Okay. 267 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,080 Is that your thing? 268 00:14:14,390 --> 00:14:21,600 Yeah, I think, I think Gut Health's pretty, I think we're just starting to sort of go down a pretty interesting rabbit hole as a society on understanding gut health. 269 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:21,900 And I. 270 00:14:22,485 --> 00:14:23,385 Yeah, I think it's pretty interesting. 271 00:14:23,445 --> 00:14:27,105 Well, we, we, we are discovering all sorts of things like serotonins made in the gut, you know? 272 00:14:27,135 --> 00:14:28,035 Well, absolutely. 273 00:14:28,035 --> 00:14:28,245 Yeah. 274 00:14:28,245 --> 00:14:28,725 And eczema. 275 00:14:28,725 --> 00:14:33,435 My, my son Sammy has eczema and, and you know, we started giving him probiotics and stuff and I think that's made a difference. 276 00:14:33,439 --> 00:14:36,525 And, you know, the gut is, I think we're starting to understand that the gut is a pretty serious. 277 00:14:37,290 --> 00:14:39,030 Pretty serious bit of our body that we need to. 278 00:14:39,035 --> 00:14:42,930 I, I read, uh, my brother did quite, my brother's quite a good, uh, a actor. 279 00:14:42,990 --> 00:14:45,690 He probably should have gone pro, but anyway, another story. 280 00:14:45,690 --> 00:14:52,051 But, um, he, he did this very funny thing he said me the other day, which is some speech from a theater, but the guy's like, I just can't believe it. 281 00:14:52,110 --> 00:14:52,650 I'm just this. 282 00:14:52,830 --> 00:14:54,930 Thing that carries around all the bacteria. 283 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:56,910 Like there's so many bacteria in your gut. 284 00:14:56,910 --> 00:15:00,630 You're basically, and you could argue we are just, we, we are just for them. 285 00:15:00,870 --> 00:15:01,470 Do you know what I mean? 286 00:15:01,475 --> 00:15:01,530 Yeah. 287 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:08,250 We're just a system which carries them around because there's like more bacteria in your gut than, you know, stars in the universe kind of thing. 288 00:15:08,250 --> 00:15:08,700 It's crazy. 289 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:09,240 It's crazy. 290 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:09,540 Yeah. 291 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,400 Two bit of, bit of listening on that. 292 00:15:12,290 --> 00:15:19,800 So that was this week's episode of B W B Extra, and we'll be back tomorrow without finale for the week, the Business or Bullshit quiz. 293 00:15:20,130 --> 00:15:20,880 Stay tuned.