Neil Guy, welcome to the QVC podcast.

Thank you, Meredith. It's wonderful to be here. Very much looking forward to

our conversation. Okay, me too. Because

I have to say, I've had a lot of people on this podcast who've gone

on a journey from the medical industry

into metabolic and quantum

health. But I think you might be by the first big tech

story. Well,

hopefully the first of many, if that's the case. Yes, I

think so. I think that's what it's going to be. Okay, so

let's start sort of, we'll back up a little

from where you are now with this incredible offer

of an independent AI that is going to help us

connect with information in the metabolic and quantum health space.

But backing up a little bit. You were an employee

of a. Of a small company perhaps, perhaps people

may have heard of, called Google. And

you are having health challenges. So let's start there. Yes.

So, yeah, So I spent 12, 12 great years at Google, actually,

and my whole career has been in tech. Digital mapping and

geography was my first love. Back to kind of university days when

I came across computer programming and the fact that you could

model the real world inside a

computer and use that to ask and answer loads of different questions

that obviously it was difficult to necessarily do in the real world. And

so digital geography was my first love. I kind of fell into

consulting, building software programs, and I ended up joining

Google. Being at Google for 12 years, really building the Google Maps, the

Google Earth, kind of the developer platform that a lot of

the, you know, developers. Oh, I didn't realize that's what you worked on.

Yeah. So I have to say, like, I'm just going to jump in for a

sec. Like, a seminal moment in my life in

terms of my relationship with technology was when Google Earth first

came out and you could look at the roof of your house

and then hit zoom out and have it pull back and back and back and

back and back and back and back and back until you were seeing the full

Earth. Like, I have to say, that was kind of a spiritual experience.

So that's really cool. I think it was. I think for most

people. I remember the first time that I used Google Earth and I

was doing my Master's in Geographical Information Science in

Edinburgh. And, you know, typical kind of science lab, they had this

underground basement with no windows, just kind of darkness. And at the time

we were using command line interface to run software

programs. And one of the other guys on my course

said, hey, have you seen this new Google Earth tool? And

so we downloaded it and similar to you, I was just blowing, you know, going

from this command line, understanding the world to being able to

zoom anywhere in the world was just. And from that moment I was like, right,

I want to go work for Google.

A few years to get there. But I ultimately did because I just, you know,

Google's Earth and Maps mission, to kind of map every square inch of the

planet and make that digitally accessible for everyone to understand,

interact with the real world is a pretty amazing mission. And So I

had 12amazing years at Google, kind of being part

of the team building that. But as

we said, I also then had kind of, I would say, my own health journey

in parallel, which led to me in the end deciding to leave

Google. So, yeah, happy to dig into that.

So what was going on with your health? Yeah,

so if we'd have spoken probably about 11 years ago now, I was

260 pounds. I'm pretty sure that I was pre

diabetic and I'm sure fast track to many of the major chronic

diseases. And that was just travel,

lifestyle work, thinking that sleep didn't matter.

And ultimately I hadn't connected the knowledge of how

what I consumed and the kind of the environment that I live in and what

I did to my body actually had a huge impact on health. My

kind of turning point, the seminal moment, was becoming a father

at my daughter's christening. Sport had always been a big part of

my upbringing. I swam a lot, played rugby,

did a bunch of other tennis, different sports. But I was so out

of shape at my daughter's christening. You know, family, friends and kids were

playing football, soccer, kicking a ball around. So I went to join in

and literally after two minutes, I had to sit down because I was out of

breath. And I just had this seminal moment of

how can I be an active father if I can't even spend two minutes kicking

a football around? You know, kids are running circles around me. And

so that just set me on a slightly new path because I had the right

motivation to be the best father that I could be. And

so I just started to learn and educate, be more conscious

about what I ate, put better foods in my body. I. I started exercising

more. Before I knew it, I'd signed up to a sprint triathlon.

I absolutely loved that. And then went down the slippery slope into

the kind of endurance, ultra endurance world. So I kept on doing longer

and longer triathlons until I eventually did a couple of full

Iron Mans. And so it was through that that I really got

introduced to metabolic health. Because when you're pushing your body for,

you know, 9, 10, 11 hours straight. Understanding how your

body produces, creates energy is really important. And so

through that, I was amazed to learn that your body actually

utilizes fat as a fuel source as well as carbohydrates. Because

the mantra and the paradigm is, you know, sugar and carbs. If you don't have

that, you're going to bunk after two hours and your body is going to stop

working. And so a lot of my time through that

was focused on, you know, more lower carb approaches, making

sure I had metabolic flexibility to utilize different fuel substrates

because it makes you more efficient as an athlete, but also, as I came

to realize in later years, it's much more healthy for you from a, you know,

from a longevity perspective. And so I would say that was my

kind of first journey myself. But even through that, I hadn't connected the

dots of just how important our mitochondria and metabolic health were.

I thought I knew a lot, but actually didn't. The second chapter

of my journey was really then the impact of chronic

disease on different family, loved ones and friends. So I had

very close family members being diagnosed with

autoimmune diseases, with depression,

with bipolar, different, you know,

cardiovascular diseases. But it was about two and

a half years ago, almost three years ago now. A very close family member's stage

four cancer diagnosis really got me digging into what

causes cancer. How do you stop? How do you reverse cancer? And I came across

the amazing work of Thomas Seyfried and Nasha Winters and the

metabolic approach and theory of cancer. And as I dug into that and

realized that ultimately cancer is really a

metabolic mitochondrial disease that is

perverse and preventable through natural

metabolic therapies. And there are thousands of examples out there on

the Internet of people having amazing success.

That kind of blew my mind that, because

the common paradigm that you, that you read about through the news

outlets, through all of the current modern technology platforms is cancer is

a genetic disease. It can be caused by, you know, environment and

toxins and so forth, but ultimately, you know, chemotherapy, radiation,

immunotherapy are the only ways to treat it. But even at stage four,

often they just extend life. They don't tend to

reverse stage four. Whereas there are, you know, thousands of stories out

there of people putting stage four cancer into remission. So

that really got me kind of understanding that

the vast majority of these chronic diseases are preventable and reversible. And

I was still at Google at the time, and I remember having this seminal

moment of back to kind of Google Maps and Google Earth. And

one morning before my day, I just remember thinking

the world of digital mapping is in pretty good hands. Everybody knows Google Maps,

Google Earth, Apple Maps, you know, it's, it's such

a pervasive part of everyone's lives.

And I then had this knowledge around how important mitochondria,

metabolic health were. And I thought that I knew a lot about health. And I

also realized this was the start of my journey. I didn't even know about quantum

biology yet or the importer of, you know, what the importance of water,

light and magnetism. But still back then I was thinking, well, I'm

probably one of the most educated people that I know in my circles yet, you

know, almost nobody, there's a very small population really knows and

understands this. And that was one of the main kind of, I would say,

pivotal moments of me deciding to leave Google and make a

new mission to try and help a billion plus people in true ex Google style.

You know, you can't have, you can't have, you know, simple,

easy goals, but no small goals. No small goals. But when you look

into the, obviously you look at the stats and you see that, you know,

93% of Americans are metabolically unhealthy and are

on the fast track to developing one of the chronic diseases that. Chronic

diseases, you know, 74% of

the world's deaths are chronic disease related. It's like 54 million

people a year. And then you understand that probably 90% of those are

preventable and reversible. And I've seen from impact on my own

family and through others the, you know, the suffering that happens

in parallel with these chronic diseases. So I was sat

kind of thinking, well, the world's in good hands for

digital mapping. Very few people know, more people know, need to know about

metabolic mitochondrial health. And that was one of the pivotal, I

would say, decisions of me deciding to leave Google and set myself this kind of

new crazy goal. Because yeah, the world needs

more people, tools, technology, people,

you know, amazing like yourself and the QVC and all of the network

that you have. Because a lot more people need to be educated about

true root cause health. Yes.

Wow. And good for you for listening to that call,

heeding the call, so to speak. Right. It's like you

and I are not in and of ourselves health experts,

but we got to the point where we're like, we know so much

more than our peers and there is no one talking to them

about this. So how can we use our

skills, our talents to contribute to the

spread of, of this, of the truth really.

Is what it is and it's. And it wasn't actually, I make

it sound easier than it was to make that decision, but it was also,

it was actually a really difficult, I would say, decision to

make. And actually, yeah, I mean, you have. A

wonderful job at one of the top companies in the world working on something

that you like and believe in. That is huge, what you

did. Huge. Like, yeah, talk us through it.

Well, I was going to say actually it's part of my

continual learning journey is for years I've tried to

get more into meditation, but never really saw the

benefit. I stopped, started, stop started, stop started.

But around the time that a lot of this was happening, I'd managed to get

back into the habit. And so, but I was just doing kind of guided

meditation, you know, kind of 20 minutes a day. And

I actually had just come back from, I went to the

Metabolic Health Summit, which is one of the kind of conferences events

in Florida. So this was back maybe two and a half years ago.

And, you know, I'd obviously spent the last couple of years reading

a lot into Metabolic Health, reading books, kind of devouring content and

learning. Being at that conference and, you know, seeing people

like, you know, Ben Bickman present and kind of a lot of these people that

have been reading their work and being surrounded that community

obviously kind of just gave me a lot of sense of, wow,

there's a really amazing community around this. But I got back home and the

following morning I was having, I was doing my meditation

and again, just a guided meditation. All of a sudden my brain just kind of

switched into a different mode, different gear, and it was like the last

kind of 20 years of different experiences all just kind

of collided and this experience happened. Maybe it was like 10,

15, 20 seconds, but it was just such an out of

body experience. And that was when this notion,

inspired by others, that I need a new new North Star, I

need to, I need something audacious. And that's when I kind of came up

with this, right? My mission has to be to help a billion plus people

to become metabolically healthy. But I remember coming out of

that meditation and immediately it was the negative thoughts of,

you know, that's absolutely. How are you going to do that? How are you going

to do that? Who do you think you are? You know, you don't actually know

anything, you know, well, you obviously know something about metabolic health. But

all those negative things started and, but I'd listen to enough

podcasts about that negative chat and so I literally, I went

into the bedroom. My wife was just waking up and I just said, I have

to share this with you because if I don't share it with someone,

then I might well chicken out of this and kind of not do it. So

I shared, I shared it with my wife. And just even that accountability of

kind of putting it out there helped kind of create the

seeds for me to ultimately, you know, follow that. But

still, you've got this head versus heart of exactly what you just

mentioned. You've got a great job, a great team, a great company that you

love. But the counterbalance of that is actually there are people

suffering out there with all these diseases that need help and access to information.

And so. So, yeah, so it hasn't been an easy

last kind of couple of years transition out of that. But.

But it's, but it's, it's very pure and purposeful and that

gives me, I would say, a lot of the drive to continue to try

and build technologies and tools and other things that help people

because the world needs it now more than. More than ever.

Well, Neil, well done. You know, I think

a lot of people hear the whisper of inspiration and it's like,

what? No. And, you know, some people maybe aren't in

a position to do it financially or otherwise, but

to be able to connect to that calling,

to feel that higher level inspiration and.

See a way that you could help to meet a need in the world

is. Really inspiring. So thank you

for following it. It could. I understand it was not

straightforward. These things never are.

I sometimes hear myself being. Yeah, and then we did this and then we. Then

we sold our house and moved to Louisiana for a year. And people are like,

yeah, yeah, but like the actual micro decisions

and of. Are we really gonna do this? Oh, my God. Like

what? I. I totally agree.

Inspiration from, you know, people like yourself and others. So I was listening to a

lot of, you know, different podcasts at the time and, and

yeah, others talking about, you know, through those challenging times and,

and I think so much of it is back to, as you say,

connecting a little bit more to the universe

or kind of whatever you call it. And I've been definitely been

pulled in this direction for many years, but it was getting stronger and stronger

and stronger. And that's just where. Yeah, I just, I had to

tune into that and say, no, I think this is, I think this is what

I'm supposed to be doing. So, you know, let's. Let's take a

different turn in life and see where it leads.

Yes. And this is, I think, one of the sort of

unintended consequences of having really healthy

mitochondria is that our mitochondria, you know, as

we know, our antenna to our environment, but they're an antenna to

all kinds of. All kinds of

energies. And so our ability to

be inspired, the kinds of ideas we're going to have, our ability

to see, see a vision, I think all of these

things are enhanced. You know, even if we're just starting out to like, oh, I'm

just going to improve my health a little. It's like that is

only the beginning. It is. I

totally agree. But this is also back to, I think,

I would say one of also the reasons why

we're calling the service Metabolic why is because there's this element of

wisdom which has been there for the generations that knows this, that I think has

been lost a lot through the last 50, 60, 70

years. But I would also say, you know, a few years ago, if

we'd have had this conversation, I would have been very dismissive, you

know, of that. But the more you learn, the more I think you

kind of connect with yourself a little bit more, the more you start to,

to realize that and the more you learn about mitochondria

and which is one of the things that we're really trying to do with Metabolic

wise is, you know, sadly, the biology textbooks, everyone

still just thinks, oh, it's the powerhouse of the cell, it creates energy. And

okay, that's one of things it does. But as you said, it is

a truly kind of amazing organelle

that actually controls what happens in every kind of cell tissue of your body

through inputs, through the way it connects and signals to

other mitochondria. And the more you learn and understand that,

then the more you kind of start to get curious and so trying to

kind of build this into a service to meet people where they are

that help kind of, you know, lead people there because it is,

it's a journey for, for everyone. But I've come to

realize that they are, yeah, way more powerful than, than even

I ever thought. And even right now, way more powerful than we

understand. Even right now. The science is pretty amazing.

Each day, week, year that goes by.

Yes. And I think we're just at the very beginning the, the

field of quantum biology is exploding. Um,

the, there are independent labs being funded all over the place. A

coup. You know, even some universities are starting to have quantum biology labs,

which is interesting because you can't actually study it in

undergrad. So it's like, it's, it's sort of like this

decentralized phenomenon of curious

scientists who are, who see the validity of

it then coupled, I think we now have a lot of.

Investment from people who can see potential

technologies and products coming out of it. So I think that's where a lot of

the funding has started to come from. Which brings it back to,

you know, what you and I are focused on, which is making

sure that the, that the knowledge can be distilled

down for regular people in their

day to day lives. And, and you know,

if someone develops a light based cancer

treatment that's FDA approved in 10 years, like

amazing, but right now, like right this minute,

and that's where I see what you have built to

be just so, so crucial and important. And I

would love for you to explain what it is.

Yes, yes, of course. Well, firstly, I would also,

through this, I would love to hear, I would say your feedback, I know gave

you access and you've had a little bit of a play around.

But let's start with the problem that we're trying to solve because I think

it's always great to have that as a lens. So the

problem we're trying to solve, as you and most of your listeners I think

know our healthcare system and the knowledge and technology

are generally very good at acute care, but they really fail at

chronic disease because they're managing symptoms, not really looking at

root cause. At the same time, everybody's

lost in a sea of conflicting health information. So for

every article you read about something curing cancer, you'll read that it

cures cancer. So there's all this conflicting information.

And the main resources that people go to, like Google,

ChatGPT, etc. They don't have

metabolic root cause understanding of the major chronic

diseases. So the answers reflect the majority of the science which has been

big food, big pharma, big tech driven. And so the

facility, they're focused on isolated biomarkers rather than

actual health outcomes. And there is

a lot of amazing kind of, you know, metabolic and quantum

biology science out there, but it's dwarfed

by the 90% of all of the rest of the studies which

are kind of, you know, focused on very individual, specific kind

of mechanisms. And so what that leads to is when you go

to Google and ChatGPT and you ask, you know, what causes cancer, how do you

stop, how do you reverse cancer? You won't get any mention of

metabolic therapies that actually

fundamentally understand the disease at its root cause. You will get a

reflection of, you know, chemotherapy, radiation,

immunotherapy, all of these kind of, you know, I would say different

standard of care, which generally don't tend to

be very successful at reversing stage 4 cancers, whereas

metabolic therapy has been very effective at

reversing stage four cancer. So that's the problem we're trying to solve.

So what have we built? We've built an AI based tool called Metabolic

Wise, which really, it uses AI and

technology to really map and understand the world's credible

metabolic health science, helping everybody to find

evidence based root cause knowledge and really to help make

sense of it all. So we translate complex metabolic

and quantum biology science into accessible wisdom

through a chatbot interface. And I think one of the

amazing things about AI and chat technologies is

it can meet you where you are. And so if you have simple

questions, it can give you simple answers. If you have more complex questions, you can

get more complex answers, you know, versus kind of the traditional way

of, you know, having to spend hours reading books or

reading articles to kind of find and dig what you want to, you can get

to the heart of the question that you're asking, you can get an answer.

And we then link to science papers, to podcasts, to YouTube

videos, to testimonials, to articles. So and

that's a very curated set of,

you know, intentionally so. And so people can then really

kind of find and connect with content that can educate themselves and then

they can hopefully go down this kind of rabbit warren of learning. And, and we

built in some of the cool features like suggested follow on questions

which really kind of help to prompt to, for you to think

down kind of different areas. Because when you do look at kind

of health and optimal health and disease prevention, mitochondria are

a huge part of that. And important into that are all of the signals that

it takes a lot of people focus on food and nutrients, which is, you

know, one port. But as you know, light, water, magnetism are

also really important signals that our mitochondria take in

that ultimately impact how they, how they operate.

And so how to kind of, you know, explain

that in a simple way to users that help build these follow on questions that

pique their curiosity so they can go down the rabbit hole of

any specific chronic disease or any aspect of it to really

educate people so people can realize that they actually

have a lot more power in their own hands than a lot of your listeners

will know this already. But also, I think we all have

family and loved ones who aren't necessarily quite on the same journey that

we are. So one of the key kind of second

users are for those people who want to share content

with others. So we've also got a sharing content where you can ask a question,

get an answer, click share and that will effectively share just that question

and answer with someone else. So if you have somebody else who's

suffering or you want to kind of share this knowledge wisdom with

some podcast links and some articles and so forth, you can do that in a

very simple way. Rather than. If I look back at my journey,

I'm sure you're the same over the last few years is, you know, you have

to spend hours searching and research trying to

find the needles in there. And then the person is like,

you're like, here's my compilation of papers backing up that.

Why I mentioned the blue blockers. It's like they don't want to read that,

they just want to know that you're not crazy because they've never heard of what

you're talking about. And what I think is super, super,

like just life changing about this is that

a lot of the time when a diagnosis comes through or a health

condition reaches a critical point.

Right. Like the person and the experiencing it and the people

closest to them are in crisis mode. Yeah. And that is a tough

time to find the energy to

research. And so I think that is, you know,

I often say that the medical system is a, you know, a crisis management system

and they're very good at that, but.

They also in a way take advantage of it because you're not in

a, you're not in learning mode when you're, when you get a stage

four diagnosis, you're in freak out mode. And so anything

that can make it easier to get to the

essence of what would be useful for you in

that particular moment or for someone close to you

who wants to do it. This is a huge

unlock, like huge.

Yeah. So I really hope it's useful to that and really

myself. So I have two co founders, amazing

people, Steve and Jess, who both have managed to

reverse so called irreversible diseases. Steve

managed to reverse systemic lupus and Jess

reversed LADA latent onset autoimmune

diabetes through metabolic therapy. And so one of the other key things

that we've built into the platform as much as we can, that it's

kind of limited at the moment, we're looking to try and expand that is testimonials.

Because one of the things that I certainly found with supporting my

family member with the stage 4 cancer diagnosis is I want to find

somebody out there who's had same cancer, same stage, same

age, who've used Metabolic therapies to cure and

you know, reverse that because there just simply aren't, you know, randomized

controlled trials done about a lot of these things, you know,

for its, for its own reason. But for me, even just. And I remember

having to, you know, hunt around and kind of search and search and search to

try and find those. Because when you're in that crisis mode, if you can

relate and hear somebody else has been through a similar condition. For me,

oh, actually there's not just one person, there's multiple, you know, different people.

I think that is a really important part of, okay, I understand the science,

or I've now educated a little bit on the science, but are there other

people who've done, you know, the same thing? So really curating this combination

of science papers if you want to read them, but you know,

YouTube's articles, podcasts as well as

testimonials is kind of really important because all of

that factor into people's decision when especially

as you say, you're in kind of crisis mode, facing one of these

chronic diseases or a family member does, it just

really helps shorten that path and allow you to ask

all of the questions that you want and get immediate answers back.

So yeah, that's one of the other hopes that we have, that

the tool will be really helpful for people, people in that situation, having

been there ourselves. Yes. That's so cool.

Yeah. And now I'm like, I'm thinking because at the

Institute of Applied Quantum Biology, our next

phase is to teach practitioners how to do case study write

ups according to the standard, according to peer

reviewed publication standards. So maybe we could get a

pipeline of case studies going in to Metabolic. Wise

would absolutely love that because it is one of the, yeah,

there's just, there's not enough, I would say, well structured

testimonial content out there. There are a lot of good case studies that, you know,

have been published and that's, you know, that's great. But often

I would also encourage, you know, people obviously love videos as well as, you know,

reading case studies. And so, so the more of that we can

have, the better because there are so many amazing stories yet haven't been

captured that can, you know, inspire others. And hopefully people

don't get to the point where they have one of these advanced late stage

chronic diseases. Because I think that's one of the other things that

I've learned is, you know, the vast majority are

preventable if you take the right interventions early on.

But convincing people to do that is

difficult because it's Counter to everything that everyone's been

told for the last 50, 60, 70 years, the modern world is

set up really against that. If you look at the. The food environment,

the technology environment, just the. You know, the.

Especially if you live in a big city, the deck is. The deck is

stacked against you. And so people need the knowledge to be able to

understand how they can start to, you know, take

control of that and stack the deck in their favor. Because our

bodies are just. Especially the last 10, 15, 20 years, have been

exposed to so much more stress from so many different

angles than our bodies are designed for. And I think,

you know, the combination actually of mitochondrial dysfunction

and nervous system dysregulation, and the two are very

tightly connected, is actually kind of the root cause of

pretty much all of, I would say, you know, the modern diseases,

because we're just being. Yeah. Subject to so much more

stress in different ways than our evolutionary biology is

designed for. Yes. I mean, I was thinking

about that when you were talking about your office space

earlier. Working in a basement in front of a bunch of screens.

Yes. I mean, how many people, even if they're not in a

basement, even if they're in a high rise.

Maybe the windows are a little better than a basement during the day. But

we're contained within these

environments that are actively working against us on so

many levels, and we don't even realize it. And I think, you know, that's what

we're, you know, you and I are both trying to get at is like, you

know, knowledge is power. It's like if I was eating,

you know, gummy worms three meals a day, and someone was like, you know.

There is. There is. There are other ways to feed yourself. It'd be like, that

would be good information to have. And so if you want to just

speak to that for a minute, because I, you know,

you and I have taken drastic steps, but, like, not everyone will or

can. And so just the idea of

how a person who does have an office job can think about

this, like, you know, if I was an office worker being

like, neil, what are you talking about? Like, how would you sort of walk me

through that? Yeah. So I think the first thing to realize is,

yes, we have both taken drastic steps, but. But there was a

little, you know, it wasn't kind of like just a light switch. There was that

pivotal moment. But for me, I would say in 10 years

building up to that, I was on this journey of

learning and kind of educating myself. So I think that's just, you know, one

part of it. Is a lot of people will ultimately maybe get to a tipping

point moment. But I think the

way I would encourage approaching it is just, I would say, you know,

be curious and really think about our

biology through a little, just through an evolutionary lens

and then just seek to understand where you're at. And it's

not like you have to make dramatic changes overnight. Some people want

to, it's more about how can you. Okay, yeah, I'm in a, an office

job, I'm in my, you know, my office. What can I do?

Okay, well I can, you know, at least in the mornings I maybe I can

get up and you know, see 20 minutes of morning sunlight to at least start

to set my circadian rhythm. Can I, you know,

go out for lunch and at least get outside of the office to have, you

know, some natural light exposure I would say during the day. So there are

small things you can do to lead, I would say towards that. But

then there's also then as you build up the knowledge base. But to do that

you need to be convinced that actually, you know,

we're deficient in sunlight and it's a key driver of,

you know, mitochondrial and metabolic health. And so that's where

why we built metabolic wise to make kind of, I would say these

simple questions to start to help to educate people.

And I think a lot of it is then just around making small

different changes and

understanding that the environment and the signals that your body

takes in are really important. And then for everyone is going to

be starting from a slightly different place which is also where I love the

benefit of the AI kind of technologies and interface. Because

you know, you can start with that, it can start in light, you can start

with sleep, you can start with food, you can start with nutrition, just start

somewhere and then as you continue to be curious,

you'll change one things you'll see hopefully

changes in yourself. And that will start this journey that you go

on, which is a constant journey. Because I think one of the other biggest

misnomers that people expect is, you know, well, two things.

One is, you know, there's basically, there's one way of doing things

which works for everyone, which is totally the opposite. We're all

individual. But whilst we're all individual, what works for us

will change at different points in our lives or when we're on different locations

in, you know, on the planet or even when the context and

situation in our life changes. And that's where you know, you

think, oh, I've got this set, I've got my, I know my own body. I

know my biology. This is what works for me, for me. And that may work

for one period in your life, but five years later

something different might work for you. So this constant being open minded

to change and adapt and evolve. But I think the more that you can

look at things from an evolutionary perspective and

from a local seasonal perspective, kind of understanding where

we've evolved from as human beings, ultimately

mitochondria that have been around for two and a half billion years,

you know, kind of way longer than anything. And when you start to understand from

that perspective, I think it becomes easier to

start to make these changes because hopefully what

reflects back from that is actually I'm starting

to feel a bit better. I'm starting to see or notice a change and hopefully

for people it does lead to a significant, you know, change,

whatever that is. But I also think you can still have an office

job and thrive and be optimal. So it's not just to

say, because it's not realistic. I'm in an office right now, as are

you, to just live out outdoors all the time so you can

have this balance. I think it's more. How do you educate yourself just to

stack the deck in your favor to keep your

body in this nice, kind of more of an equilibrium state

rather than a chronic stress state?

Yes, yeah, absolutely. And understanding even just like

how to stack the deck, it's like, oh, I didn't even know that

this was, this was in the bad pile. Okay, good to know.

And, and that's what, where again, I think the metabolic AI is so

helpful because what I have found it's

gotten a little bit better, you know, but like I'll have a conversation with somebody

and then they'll go Google or they'll come into our community and

they'll hear all the quantum biology nerds talking about something and they'll go Google it

and they're like, and they'll come back and they'll be like, Google says

this is not true or this is pseudo science or this is unproven or

this is fringe science or the, this is all nonsense. And it's,

you know, to be like, well okay, we've spent the last five

years waiting through, waiting through all of that

to just be, send them to a resource that

they can trust that will just give, bring them straight

to the point. Right, yeah. So that is one of the

hopes that we have for metabolic wise is it, is it can play that role

because I think we all face exactly the same. And this is,

I would say back to the broader Challenges with AI

and the large language models that built and developed, which is,

they are absolutely amazing because they're ultimately trained on the

world's information and resources. They are largely

biased by the sheer volume of

kind of information. Which is why, you know, you go to Google and ask, you

know, does you know, does LDL cause heart disease, heart

attacks? And you know, all of these platforms will say yes, it does

because there's been so much research funded looking

specifically at, you know, the LDL molecule.

And, and so that's just where, so there's 95%

of that which is not true root cause science. It's just

looking at an isolated part of the system, not looking at the

system as a whole. But you have, you know, 5% of the research

which is then looking at the system at whole and you look at LDL and

cholesterol in context and you realize that actually, you know, it's much

more of a innocent bystander. And there's other things

driving heart disease which even I've only learned, you know, over the

last kind of year or so, you know, the importance of structured water and

some of these other things. And so these large language models

just reflect the corpus of knowledge of the world. That

doesn't necessarily mean that that is the best and most accurate knowledge. And

sadly, a lot of the science of research that's been done over the last

30, 40, 50 years hasn't been great because it's

looked at separating the body into discrete

organs and tissues and exploring those and you

know, the various kind of biochemistry in isolation

rather than ultimately looking at our body as this amazing

intricate system, system that it is. So if we can,

so what we've really tried to do is to kind of curate

the science and evidence that reflects that to hopefully

then give a, you know, a different, different perspective

that I think people who have seen the

transformations that you can have by really focusing on your

mitochondria metabolic health effectively know and realize that actually

yeah, this, this, this does work. This is what returns us to

ready to health and optimal well being.

Yes, this is a really important

bridge that. And. You know,

I think what you've, I think there's, yeah, there's a big

missing chunk in this bridge out of a purely

allopathic model of health controlled by the medical industry and

big pharma and big food. And then because I often have

talked about it feels like we're live, I live, there's like, I live in a

different world than a lot of people. Like they live in the, in a world

where that is. That is the only thing. Yeah.

And we live over here. Where that is

one thing. And it's totally incomplete is like incomplete. And

we live in this whole robust world. But that there are not the bridges.

Are not there. And so I think what you've done is to construct

a really integral piece of the bridge. Because once

you see the robust research and

evidence for this other model, then you can take a next step. And

it's like, oh, look at. There's a whole world of doctors and naturopaths and

practitioners and support people working out of that model

that I didn't even. People don't even know they exist. Exist.

They don't even know. It's like my doctor said. I used this,

this example recently. I heard a young woman talking about. She was given

a diagnosis, was called like

premenstrual dysphoria. It's a new diagnosis that is like

just extreme hormonal imbalance leading to suicidal

ideation. And. Right. And the doctor was like, yeah, you might need a

hysterectomy to get over this. And that was it. And that she

thought that was her options were suffer or get a hysterectomy. Yeah.

So I totally agree. So I always reflect back

to just because I love the movies like most people do. The

Matrix and Right. For me,

Metabolic Wise and what we've built is designed to be

the glitches in the Matrix. And I love it. And to

offer you that red pill to choose to

go ultimately into a totally different world because the reality

is, and I was living in this world, I think you probably were

as well before we managed to see the glitches and find our way

out is we're living in a big food, big pharma, big tech

driven world. And it is literally it is, it

is the Matrix. So hopefully Metabolic Wise

is, is helps people see the glitches and ultimately

decide to take that red pill. But as long as people do that,

for me it's just all about empowering people with knowledge to make conscious decisions.

So as long as you're making a conscious decision about anything. And there are some

amazing things about, you know, the medical health

care system. Not discounting that back to my opening, which

is great for acute care, not so great for chronic care. Sometimes

drugs can, you know, be a helpful short term

bridge to kind of help you gain momentum. But

ultimately they all come with side effects. None of them

really treat our biological body. And so the

more you can empower people with access to knowledge, hopefully,

you know, the more that they can. Kind of

at least make a conscious decision about what they do. And if that is decided

to go back and live in the Matrix, consciously, totally happy with

that. But I think most people will make the decision to

live outside of the Matrix because when you know

somebody who has cured an uncurable disease,

you see the energy that comes from that, the energy that comes

from knowing and connecting with yourself and your, you know, biology,

having brain, heart coherence, all these sorts of things which even

I'm. I would say at the kind of early stage of my kind

of, you know, journey of really dialing into that, you

realize that you can live a much richer real

life. And naturally, the life that you really were kind

of living wasn't really. Yeah, it was. It was a

different life. And it doesn't always lead to, you know,

I would say, vibrant, healthy, healthy outcomes.

Yeah, no, not very often. Okay, so

I want to just talk about the. Metabolic

wise for one more second and then I'm gonna. We're gonna go back to the

Matrix and go cosmic. So I just want everyone to understand.

Okay, so what you do is you go to mellow. Okay. It

will be launched when I. When this airs. So you go to metabolicwise.com

and there's a little. There's a little box and it says, ask

a health question. And you know, I'm. I'm noticing

in trending questions, the cholesterol one is at the top.

Is cholesterol good or bad? Right. So, like, great,

that. Let's just start with that. And

then it's gonna. It's giving me feedback, it's giving me links to

podcasts. If I just want to listen to a podcast, it's giving me

studies if I want something hard to take to my doctor.

But it's coming. It's skipping over that part that you talk,

that you just talked about, Neil, where it's like cholesterol, high

cholesterol, needs statins and will give you a heart attack. Right? Like, we've skipped that

and we've just gone straight to like. Yeah.

Looking at the important molecule that does everything

from build hormones to, you know, 20 of your brain is

cholesterol. So like, foundationally, it's so important in, in the

body and so it comes with it for. Yeah. Hopefully from

a. From a different, A different perspective. And. Yeah, so the first

link it's giving me is cholesterol myths and truths. A quantum biology

and biochemical perspective. Beautiful. Okay.

The truth about cholesterol and quantum biology. That's the next link. And

then there's you know, it breaks it down into

brains and nerves, hormone production, light sensing, you know, all

of, all of. And then there's a list of top references.

There's a paper, a YouTube, a testimonial, an article and

a podcast. And you can sort of choose whichever

works best for you. And

go from there. Like, hopefully you see that. So

good, right? Because I'm like talking to my friend

who's totally healthy on statins because her

cholesterol was slightly elevated as she's going through menopause and I'm

like. I could

just send her this link. Well, yes, well,

well, very soon you will be able to. So we are, right now

we're expanding a little bit just into a broader kind of private

beta access, so sharing it with a slightly

broader community just to get feedback to make sure that it's

kind of, it's robust enough. But the feedback so far has been

overwhelmingly pretty positive. So we'll make sure that we. Yeah,

Neil, listen, just launch this effort. Okay? It's

great. I'll take the password off.

Tomorrow. And so I would say that the

two of the important, I would say things that are in there. So one, hopefully

the follow up questions are really interesting and useful as well because quite often

you do have your own curiosity. Other times those

follow up questions can help kind of prompt. And the

second thing is there's obviously there's the share link as well.

And so your last asked question and answer, if you hit that share link,

it will just copy a URL you can then put into WhatsApp,

iMessage or email. And so if you wanted to

send to your friend, you know, what's the relationship between

cholesterol and statins? Or if you ask what are the

downsides of, for example, of using statins, we should give a pretty good kind of

answer to that. So then you can simply share that with all the links and

resources and then your friend will get that question and answer

with kind of that same experience and be able to take that experience and

go and ask their own questions.

Beautiful. So good. Yeah. And then of

course, if you then are like, oh, well, now I want a doctor or a

health coach or someone who understands me through this lens.

I have a list of those.

We. There are many. Right. Like it opens up a whole new world

where you can then create your health support team.

Yes. Populated by people who get this and you're not,

you know, you might, you might have your insurance doctor. Right. Where you'll have

to navigate through that. But I, what

I like to say to People is like have at least just one person in

your life who gets this. Even if it's like

whether it's a health coach or your optometrist or just

somebody with, with a background, you

know, with a practitioner background who can support you through this.

Yes, absolutely. So, so that, and that's part of some of the next steps

of what we'll build is how to make it also easier to

find those like minded people support and services.

Because having the knowledge is one thing, but you're absolutely right.

Having the support network of people

to help you because ultimately we all need help in different ways

is also a really important part of it as well.

Yeah, no, I think this is so fun. We're really just on the

cusp of. I think

circumventing big tech, which is, I'd love to wrap up

on that topic. You are very helpful and

supportive. When we got randomly deleted off YouTube and it

really did cause me to reflect even more than I

already had sort of on the role of big tech in our

lives. In the way that it keeps us,

it's in some ways programmed to lock us into the

matrix and in other ways is a portal to find

all of the, to find like minded souls. So

someone who was like deep on the inside and is now way on the outside,

what are your thoughts? I would say it's similar to almost,

almost everything in, in life and in our bodies which is

everything can be a double edged sword and the things that cure you can harm

you. It depends upon, you know, the kind of different levels and states.

And so I think just understanding that is

important. Yes, tech and the big tech companies are a great tool and

resource. But also I think like you have learned through

this process, you also can't rely on that. You need to have a plan

B, you know, a plan C and almost have this, build this kind of layer

of independence around it. So I think

that's, that's really important because you know, and it's

the part partly the nature of the capitalist kind of

world and system which is they are now kind of, you know, driven by

profits, by shareholders. And I, at my time in, you know, in

Google just you did see a culture shift, I would

say, you know, more towards that. Back in the early days

it was, you know, and still Larry and Sergey's the kind of the founders

letter that they wrote that you know, we're going to be an unconventional company. They

did stick to that for, you know, for a number of years. But Google then

ultimately lost that and it did, it did Just become a

corporate company like any of the other kind of big companies.

But I also think. And hopefully we're, you know,

we're evidence of this is Metabolic Wise, which is

it allows, you know, the advances in AI and technology are

really allowing, you know, individual and small

organizations to build really powerful kind of

independent tools that do what Metabolic Wise does.

Or, you know, there's tons of other companies out there doing kind of pretty amazing

things. And so I think you just need to understand, you know, the double

edge kind of nature of that and.

Then make sure you've got some alternative, you know,

strategies. Should your YouTube channel be, you know,

accidentally deleted and still, I guess we'll never know exactly,

just, you know, just what happened there. But yeah, I think

it's just, it's important and the more we can

decentralize and kind of maintain a bit more independence, you

know, around things, you know, you know, the better. And so I think a large

part of what's really exciting about the future of technology,

if you look at, you know, blockchain and

a lot of the things that are supporting much more of a decentralized system,

I sincerely hope that, well, that is going to hopefully power

a lot of the future of the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years to have

much more decentralized systems rather than centralized systems.

So. But obviously there's a big battle

there. Back to the matrix.

Yes, no, there is. And I think

we are living through the unfolding of a new

paradigm. It's not coming, it's here. We're in it

and. We'Re all

sort of making our contributions as best we can

for decentralized truth seeking

and truth telling to at least be an option

if not the dominant force.

Yes, amen to that. Yeah. And

then just on, you know, looking at

AI from a broader perspective,

I've had several people, you know, reach out to me looking

to be on the podcast with AI based health companies and they're using

AI for diagnostics and they've. And different things

like that. And I just haven't quite like

thought it through enough to follow up in one way or the other. And I

don't have a super strong opinion, but I'm just wondering what

your thoughts are on, on the role so

of AI in from a

diagnostic clinical perspective?

Yeah, good question. So, so that's where I think it can be

incredibly powerful. And this is back to

just the principle. The earliest stage you can spot that

things are going wrong to then course correct the better.

So I do think some of these kind of AI diagnostic

tools if they are trained in the right

way to spot the right thing, can be super

powerful. But the combination of that is when you

understand there's a problem, then what's the solution that's recommended.

And that's where again, you know, it's amazing. We

can detect cancer much earlier than previously stated. But then the

standard of care is okay, well still

chemotherapy, still radiation, still do some

immunotherapy. You know, there's, there's very

few places that are looking at natural metabolic therapies that could,

you know, treat that much more effectively, much less toxically,

much using your own body as, you know, to

heal itself. And so I think there's immense

possibilities within that. But so much of it depends upon

then what that information is going to be used for

really dictates how good an event outcome it will be.

Right? Yeah, that, that makes total sense. So

it could be helpful in seeing where you

are earlier and keeping track of things more easily. But again,

yeah, choice of what you then do with that information is

so the key thing. It really is. But I

also, but it's not to get yet testing and biomarkers. I've

got my own kind of specific perspective on this because you know, I think

the world's gone a little bit too crazy around, you know, the,

all of these different testing companies now, 150 like 200, 250

biomarkers. And and for me all those biomarkers are

just leaves on a tree. And ultimately if you tend

to the soil and the roots of the tree,

those leaves will be the shape, the color, the size

that they're supposed to be. And that's going to be different for every single human

being in the world because we're all different, we're all individual. And there are

some simple basic tests I think you can do to understand

the soil and the roots that I would say

negate a lot of this kind of advanced testing and so forth. And

so I also think, you know, there's hopefully

some more interesting simplification that comes out of

this. Instead of chasing optimization of 150 or 200

different biomarkers which will self optimize.

If you have your, you know, your metabolic

terrain and your autonomic nervous

system, if you have them functioning and working together, then

your, the leaves on your tree will be the shape and color and size that

they're supposed to be. Yeah, that makes,

that makes perfect sense. And we,

I do, you know, I. There are people

where the quest for health sort of takes over their life and then

people where the Quest for health is in. In service of living a full

life. So getting going psycho

on these biomarker spreadsheets. Yeah, it's totally. I am

useless at tracking. Like, every time I've worked with someone who's like, can you track

this or that? Or I'm like, I ate breakfast. I don't

know, what do you want? So. So I'm not good at

that. Well, this is where it's back to everyone's different. Some

people love the accountability of tracking it, and I would say so. And so

for me, it was actually a really important part of my journey at

the start to help keep me accountable. But I

think what I've learned about all these tracking tools is

if you're not naturally in tune with your body, which I wasn't back

then because I was just abusing my body from, you

know, from pretty much every single angle. And when you do that, you are. I

would say a lot of it is personal context. But, you know, I couldn't read

my body's signals. So tracking and understanding

things and seeing kind of, you know, getting feedback from

wearables and stuff really helped me tune into my body.

But then I also found then once I'd done that, I could put

those tracking devices away. And then I was much more in tune with my body.

And so for me, all of the tracking devices are just tools to

help people connect with themselves more. Some people need them, some

people, you know, don't. But over time, hopefully you can

intuitively get to know your body and therefore rely on

them less. But sometimes it's still useful to kind

of, you know, keep track based on, you know, what's. What's going on

in your life. Yeah, I agree.

And, you know, I think, like, whatever a person needs to get to the next

step and seeing that data is super

helpful. And I did wear an aura ring for, I don't know, like, six

or eight months or something. And I learned some really interesting things

about that I was not paying attention to. I was expecting it

to. I didn't want to wear it because I'm like, it's going to tell me

to exercise more. And I know. Like, I know. Okay. And I

started wearing it and it would give me these little messages, and it was the

opposite. Was like, yeah, you haven't had any restorative time

today. You might want to take care of that or you're going to be. You're

not going to have enough energy tomorrow. And I was like, oh,

thanks, aura. And I actually hadn't, you know,

and I Was you know, again working with someone who was supporting me who

know was like, yes, you need to, you need to like

fully rest and like. So unloading the dishwasher doesn't count?

No. Sit down,

sit down and be still. Oh, okay. Right.

So yes, we all, we're always on a learning journey.

So, so yeah, that's, that's, that's a great, it's

a great insight and so but sometimes it will tell you the things that you

know that you don't want to admit to yourself. But that's also back

to making conscious decisions which is, but

yeah, so the technology, it's like, like so many things, it's a double edged

sword. So I think yeah, at least try it and use it and

kind of learn something from it. But hopefully then as you've done, once you learn

those things, then put it down for a while, get in tune with your body

and just kind of dip back in as and when you. As and when you

need. Yes.

Beautiful. And would be so will be so fun

when more and more people understand this and

can connect to the information behind it. So Neil, I want

to thank you again for taking the risk

and heeding the call to build out this tool. It's going to be so

exciting. Let us know how,

when people can access it if they want to be one of

the testers, can they do that? What are the plans

for Metabolic Wise? Yeah, so hopefully when we release it,

we'll probably time releasing this podcast with it openly available.

Right. Which should be in the next, in the next couple of weeks. We

are kind of that close and I would say look between now and then. Yeah,

I'm happy to, to share with, you know, with a few others if there's people

that are interested to test. But yeah, by the time this goes out it will

be available. So people just need to go to metabolicwise.com and

then ask your questions or there's some. Yeah, there's some trending and pre

planned questions that people can kind of get started. Yeah and

right now there's not. There's no login, there's no paywall. It's just

for just there to be used. Is that what

it's going to be like? So that, so that is the plan.

No login, no paywall. At the same time we probably will

introduce a login but that's purely just to know

humans are there. A lot of people do want more of a personalized experience.

They want to store chat histories like you can in most of the other kind

of major AI platforms. So we are going to build that in, but initially

we just wanted as minimal barriers as possible

because the mission of the company is to empower and educate

people. So I say, yeah, so the plan is for it to be kind of

openly and freely available to people to use and share and

hopefully, you know, educate themselves

to make. Yeah. Make their

lives better and live in better, more

optimal health.

Onward. Hurrah to that. And for

everyone listening, if you ever wish, like, you had a really simple way to,

you know, just get a very specific

reference or something to somebody who needs it, this is

going to be really helpful to you. So,

Neil, thank you. And we should chat again. I'd love to

check in, you know, down the road and see how things are going and what

you've been learning from people's searches. I think it'd be really fun. Yeah, no,

we'd love to come back on. Yeah. Once we've. Once we've launched and we've got

hopefully a nice. A nice healthy user base of people using

it. So, yeah, I would love that. Thanks, Mary, if it's been. And I would

just say thank you again, because if you hadn't taken your leap of faith,

I have learned a huge amount through your podcast

and through, you know, others in this space. So Sarah Pugh, she sits on

the science advisory board of Metabolic Wise. So we've got

Sarah Pugh, Ben Bickman, kind of

quite a few different, diverse, kind of big names in the metabolic health

space. And I've learned so much through your podcast and through

their work because I'm still on my educational journey, I think, as are

you, as. As are everyone. So I really appreciate the work

that you and the team do at qbc and we'll definitely partner

more moving forward because people need more great

content, resources, testimonials and stories. And so

the more we can make that happen and make that simple and easy for everyone,

hopefully the better. Great. Yeah, maybe we

can. We can collaborate on getting more testimonials

from our. From the audience here. Anyway, if you want

to do a testimonial for Metabolic Wise, let me know. Yeah,

reach out. We would absolutely love to do that. So.

Yeah, because that's probably the. Yeah, there's just.

There's tons of podcasts and articles and YouTube videos,

but I would say really robust testimonials out there. There's. There's

just a lot less. So. So, yeah, so you're looking for like a video.

Video testimonials generally direct directly from people

who have recovered their health. Yes. So directly for people.

So right now, you know, effectively anything, you know, if there were great

testimonials on YouTube, then we bring them in, but we. We look at them,

obviously they need to have kind of a bit more evidence

around, you know, what the person was suffering with, you know, what they

ultimately did to help reverse that. If they've got any supporting

your kind of data behind that, to make it a little bit more of a

robust. Very similar to, you know, to. I would say, to publishing a case

study. So if people have those, then please

send them through. If not, one of the next plans is to set up just

a simple platform that people can ultimately kind of, you know, record and create these

testimonials. So, yeah, we'd love to collaborate. Yeah. Now, I'm thinking while we're

doing if, when we're doing the case study workshop, we could add in

testimonial. You know, here's how to write it up as a case study, and here's

how to record it as a testimonial. Yeah. And we can provide the

tools to do that as well. So. All right,

now we're sharing our business meeting with the audience. I'm sure they're

enjoying it. Okay. If anyone else has ideas, let us know. Right.

We're building. That's the quantum universe. We can do what we want and build what

we want. And we are. Exactly.

Exactly. Thanks, Neil. Thanks,

Meredith.