1 00:00:00,179 --> 00:00:03,209 W. Curtis Preston: One of the first steps, designing a disaster recovery 2 00:00:03,209 --> 00:00:08,189 plan is figuring out where you're going to recover once disaster strikes. 3 00:00:08,729 --> 00:00:12,659 If your data center or competing environment gets attacked by ransomware. 4 00:00:13,019 --> 00:00:16,770 Swallowed up in a hurricane or a sinkhole, you better have an alternate 5 00:00:16,770 --> 00:00:19,169 site lined up to restore your operations. 6 00:00:19,620 --> 00:00:23,160 We're going to explore the details of the three main options most companies 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,990 have for their disaster recovery site. 8 00:00:25,349 --> 00:00:26,429 Including rolling your own. 9 00:00:26,429 --> 00:00:27,960 Set-up third-party Dr. 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,450 Services and leveraging the public cloud. 11 00:00:31,020 --> 00:00:34,769 Each approach has its own pros, cons risks, and costs. 12 00:00:35,250 --> 00:00:36,269 How do you keep a Dr. 13 00:00:36,269 --> 00:00:37,110 Site in sync? 14 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:41,370 What happens if a regional disaster takes down the recovery provider? 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,129 Can the cloud scale to meet your Dr. 16 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:44,730 Needs. 17 00:00:45,330 --> 00:00:48,269 In this episode, we answer all of these questions and more. 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,849 If this is your first time joining us. 19 00:00:50,849 --> 00:00:51,970 Hi, I'm W. 20 00:00:51,989 --> 00:00:52,750 Curtis Preston. 21 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,640 AKA Mr. 22 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:54,180 Backup. 23 00:00:54,540 --> 00:00:57,599 I was a backup admin, just like you for many years. 24 00:00:57,690 --> 00:01:01,679 And then I started helping other organizations design their backup and Dr. 25 00:01:01,679 --> 00:01:02,250 Plans. 26 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Now I'm using this podcast to turn unappreciated backup admins 27 00:01:06,690 --> 00:01:08,520 into cyber recovery heroes. 28 00:01:08,759 --> 00:01:10,710 This is the backup wrap-up. 29 00:01:25,332 --> 00:01:26,142 Welcome to the show. 30 00:01:26,669 --> 00:01:30,634 I'm your host, w Curtis Preston, and with me, I have the most flexible 31 00:01:31,084 --> 00:01:33,814 co-host in the podcast world. 32 00:01:34,204 --> 00:01:34,744 How's it going? 33 00:01:34,744 --> 00:01:36,664 Prasanna? 34 00:01:36,679 --> 00:01:38,149 Prasanna Malaiyandi: I am good Curtis. 35 00:01:38,149 --> 00:01:38,569 Yeah. 36 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:43,549 Uh, we did have some logistics issues today or this week, so, why don't 37 00:01:43,549 --> 00:01:44,839 you tell folks where you're at? 38 00:01:45,739 --> 00:01:46,069 Yeah. 39 00:01:46,384 --> 00:01:49,019 W. Curtis Preston: so logistics being, I didn't realize I 40 00:01:49,019 --> 00:01:50,674 was going to be nowhere near. 41 00:01:51,334 --> 00:01:53,014 Where I normally record anything. 42 00:01:53,374 --> 00:01:57,934 And so I happen to actually be at Pod Fest right now, which is a trade 43 00:01:57,939 --> 00:01:59,314 show designed specifically for. 44 00:01:59,929 --> 00:02:00,739 Podcasting. 45 00:02:00,979 --> 00:02:04,099 And I will say that that is why there's background noise that 46 00:02:04,099 --> 00:02:05,149 you're not used to hearing. 47 00:02:05,149 --> 00:02:08,359 So if, if this is a little noisy, I apologize for it. 48 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:10,309 We'll do our best to trim that out. 49 00:02:10,309 --> 00:02:14,839 But I'm sitting here with a lavalier on, uh, and I can see in my immediate 50 00:02:14,839 --> 00:02:18,589 view, there's like, I don't know, a hundred people around me as I 51 00:02:18,589 --> 00:02:20,989 try to record a podcast episode. 52 00:02:21,659 --> 00:02:23,879 And by the way, I want to do a big thanks. 53 00:02:24,269 --> 00:02:25,529 The Go Box Studio. 54 00:02:25,529 --> 00:02:29,849 I I, I'm gonna take a picture of this, uh, setup that I have here. 55 00:02:29,849 --> 00:02:34,679 So this is a unit that you can buy to do podcasting, literally Absolutely. 56 00:02:34,679 --> 00:02:35,009 Anywhere. 57 00:02:35,849 --> 00:02:37,529 So, so that's what we're doing. 58 00:02:37,859 --> 00:02:38,909 We're doing, uh, I 59 00:02:38,924 --> 00:02:40,604 Prasanna Malaiyandi: one next time when you start traveling. 60 00:02:41,099 --> 00:02:43,889 W. Curtis Preston: yeah, as I was walking around, I was like, Hey. 61 00:02:44,359 --> 00:02:47,119 Any chance I could use your cool setup? 62 00:02:47,119 --> 00:02:48,889 And he said, sure. 63 00:02:49,249 --> 00:02:51,799 And I was, and so I said, I would mention the product, 64 00:02:51,799 --> 00:02:53,359 it's Go Box Studio, it's great. 65 00:02:54,329 --> 00:02:56,489 And then, then I called you and then I said, Hey, do you 66 00:02:56,489 --> 00:02:57,599 wanna do record a podcast? 67 00:02:57,599 --> 00:02:58,379 Like in five minutes? 68 00:02:58,684 --> 00:03:00,419 He said, you said Okay. 69 00:03:01,049 --> 00:03:04,199 So that's why I'm saying, you know, thanks for, thanks for your flexibility today. 70 00:03:05,214 --> 00:03:06,894 Prasanna Malaiyandi: no, I'm glad you were able to find a 71 00:03:06,894 --> 00:03:08,664 space and some gear, you know. 72 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:10,299 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah, absolutely. 73 00:03:10,475 --> 00:03:13,775 We're continuing in our backup to basic series. 74 00:03:13,775 --> 00:03:18,935 Today we're talking about build, building a recovery site. 75 00:03:18,935 --> 00:03:23,405 We're, of course, continuing to work through our book, uh, modern Data 76 00:03:23,410 --> 00:03:26,495 Protection and, uh, that you can get. 77 00:03:26,615 --> 00:03:27,245 Uh, there he goes. 78 00:03:27,245 --> 00:03:31,535 Each of us hold up for a copy and, um. 79 00:03:31,925 --> 00:03:33,905 We're starting to talk about Dr. 80 00:03:33,905 --> 00:03:34,145 Right? 81 00:03:34,145 --> 00:03:37,595 We talked about, uh, before we talked about the, you know, building, 82 00:03:38,015 --> 00:03:41,285 uh, coming up with what's in a DR plan, what's not in a DR plan. 83 00:03:42,035 --> 00:03:44,525 We also talked about RTO and RPA, right? 84 00:03:44,525 --> 00:03:47,105 And or an RPO and RPA. 85 00:03:48,215 --> 00:03:54,215 And now if you're going to do a disaster recovery, if you're going to recover 86 00:03:54,215 --> 00:03:56,225 from a disaster, what will you need? 87 00:03:56,815 --> 00:03:57,375 Prasanna. 88 00:03:57,395 --> 00:03:58,115 Prasanna Malaiyandi: You need someplace. 89 00:03:58,175 --> 00:03:59,375 To recover too. 90 00:04:00,755 --> 00:04:01,775 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah, exactly. 91 00:04:02,105 --> 00:04:04,175 You need what we call a recovery site, right? 92 00:04:04,595 --> 00:04:09,965 The idea is that you, you, you must obviously like this, should, 93 00:04:10,085 --> 00:04:12,815 this should be obvious, but this is a backup to basic section. 94 00:04:12,815 --> 00:04:18,005 So, uh, when the disaster strikes, right, you've got a 95 00:04:18,005 --> 00:04:20,105 massive flood, you've got a fire. 96 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,680 You've got an earthquake. 97 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:22,850 I grew up in Florida. 98 00:04:22,850 --> 00:04:25,070 A sinkhole could take your entire data center. 99 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,620 Um, you, you cannot assume that your data center will be, will be available 100 00:04:30,620 --> 00:04:32,600 for you when you go to do a disaster. 101 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,580 Um, can you think, can you remember, uh, a little story from 102 00:04:37,585 --> 00:04:38,990 our friend that was in, uh, the 103 00:04:39,260 --> 00:04:43,790 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Yeah, the basically an island nation in the Caribbean that 104 00:04:43,790 --> 00:04:49,790 got hit by a hurricane and then, uh, lost power, lost internet connectivity 105 00:04:49,795 --> 00:04:53,600 back to the mainland, uh, tons of damage. 106 00:04:54,020 --> 00:04:58,160 And they were trying to bring up their remote office that was on the island and. 107 00:04:58,895 --> 00:05:02,855 It couldn't connect back up to the mainland because that's where they 108 00:05:02,860 --> 00:05:07,985 had all of their active directory and other services, so nothing could come 109 00:05:07,985 --> 00:05:11,825 online, even though they had the people that they flew in from the mainland 110 00:05:12,455 --> 00:05:16,115 on site, but they couldn't become operational until they got a whole 111 00:05:16,115 --> 00:05:17,435 bunch of other things up and running. 112 00:05:19,235 --> 00:05:20,105 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah, exactly. 113 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:23,915 They, and they did what the, the first of what we're gonna talk, 114 00:05:23,915 --> 00:05:27,395 the three different options that you can do for a recovery site, um, 115 00:05:28,170 --> 00:05:29,945 which is to build your own, right. 116 00:05:29,945 --> 00:05:32,240 So they had, as I recall, they had three different. 117 00:05:33,155 --> 00:05:36,875 Physical locations on the island, right? 118 00:05:37,295 --> 00:05:40,685 And so they chose one as their recovery site. 119 00:05:40,715 --> 00:05:41,610 Does that sound about right? 120 00:05:43,235 --> 00:05:43,565 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Yep. 121 00:05:43,625 --> 00:05:43,985 That was 122 00:05:43,985 --> 00:05:44,195 right. 123 00:05:44,195 --> 00:05:46,925 W. Curtis Preston: So the, uh, so the first option, there 124 00:05:46,925 --> 00:05:47,825 are three different options. 125 00:05:47,855 --> 00:05:52,715 The first option is to roll your own DR site, and, uh, I'm sure 126 00:05:52,715 --> 00:05:54,485 you've seen people do this quite a 127 00:05:54,485 --> 00:05:54,785 bit. 128 00:05:55,085 --> 00:05:55,685 Prasanna Malaiyandi: exactly. 129 00:05:55,685 --> 00:06:00,575 When I used to work at other storage vendors, well known names, um, there were 130 00:06:00,575 --> 00:06:05,945 a lot of companies who would say, yes, I am going to have a production environment 131 00:06:05,945 --> 00:06:11,255 stood up in one data center, and I'm going to buy either the exact same configuration 132 00:06:11,260 --> 00:06:16,415 or something very similar and put it in another data center that I own, or 133 00:06:16,415 --> 00:06:18,815 that I'm leasing in another location. 134 00:06:19,295 --> 00:06:21,635 Sometimes it is within the same. 135 00:06:21,665 --> 00:06:23,075 Campus, if you will. 136 00:06:23,075 --> 00:06:24,275 So it's close by. 137 00:06:24,695 --> 00:06:29,345 Sometimes it's further away depending on what they are looking to recover from. 138 00:06:29,345 --> 00:06:31,475 Sometimes they might have multiple disaster recovery sites, 139 00:06:31,685 --> 00:06:33,455 depending on the type of location, 140 00:06:34,325 --> 00:06:38,195 sometimes they might have multiple disaster recovery sites, depending 141 00:06:38,225 --> 00:06:40,835 on the type of disaster that occurs. 142 00:06:42,815 --> 00:06:43,715 W. Curtis Preston: Right. 143 00:06:43,715 --> 00:06:48,905 If they're a multi, uh, state, multi-county, multi, you know, whatever 144 00:06:48,905 --> 00:06:53,225 they call it in other countries, then they could potentially use 145 00:06:53,225 --> 00:06:56,045 the other parts of the country. 146 00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:57,920 As their recovery site. 147 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:58,220 Right. 148 00:06:58,220 --> 00:07:01,310 They, they use, like, so in our case, let's say we have, uh, 149 00:07:01,340 --> 00:07:03,500 California and Florida, right? 150 00:07:03,530 --> 00:07:07,490 And, uh, two states I picked just 'cause I used to live there. 151 00:07:08,690 --> 00:07:12,500 Um, the, you know, your, your recovery site for California could 152 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:13,850 be in Florida and vice versa, 153 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,220 Prasanna Malaiyandi: You know, that would be a really bad in one scenario. 154 00:07:16,220 --> 00:07:17,420 Do you know what scenario that is 155 00:07:18,860 --> 00:07:21,890 W. Curtis Preston: uh, what would it, which one? 156 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,830 Prasanna Malaiyandi: having both sites in on the coast? 157 00:07:26,660 --> 00:07:27,155 W. Curtis Preston: Oh yeah. 158 00:07:27,500 --> 00:07:27,920 Yeah. 159 00:07:28,250 --> 00:07:28,880 Um. 160 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,690 Actually, you know, that you, you, that you, you know that you bring that up. 161 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,320 Um, I did work at a company that had their recovery sites. 162 00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:39,920 They did the, they built their own and they had their recovery 163 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,390 sites in two different places. 164 00:07:41,390 --> 00:07:47,120 They had, um, one of them was in a data center in Dallas and 165 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,870 the other was in the basement of the World Trade Center building. 166 00:07:51,110 --> 00:07:51,560 Right. 167 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,260 And uh, this is pre nine 11. 168 00:07:54,535 --> 00:07:59,395 And there was a freak snowstorm in Dallas that took out that data center, and this 169 00:07:59,395 --> 00:08:05,215 was the week of the, uh, bombing of the, that happened in the World Trade Center. 170 00:08:05,455 --> 00:08:08,095 So basically two things happened, uh, at the same time, two 171 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:09,385 completely unrelated things. 172 00:08:09,775 --> 00:08:12,475 Uh, sometimes the, you know, the best, best laid plans. 173 00:08:13,435 --> 00:08:17,275 Um, so, but, but that's what you can do. 174 00:08:17,275 --> 00:08:19,945 And you can have, you know, you could have, the more sites you 175 00:08:19,945 --> 00:08:21,835 have, you can basically each. 176 00:08:22,445 --> 00:08:24,365 Site can take over for another site. 177 00:08:24,875 --> 00:08:30,095 The problem with that though, is that we need extra hardware, right? 178 00:08:30,485 --> 00:08:34,925 We need, we need, uh, we need compute, we need storage, we need networking, 179 00:08:34,925 --> 00:08:37,595 and all of that costs money. 180 00:08:37,685 --> 00:08:40,040 Um, I'd say that's probably the biggest 181 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:40,670 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Yep. 182 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:41,150 And. 183 00:08:41,225 --> 00:08:42,485 W. Curtis Preston: downside to this, wouldn't 184 00:08:42,605 --> 00:08:45,275 Prasanna Malaiyandi: the well, and just going along with the money 185 00:08:45,275 --> 00:08:48,725 aspect, don't forget the people, right, that you're gonna need on the 186 00:08:48,725 --> 00:08:50,405 other site in order to maintain it. 187 00:08:50,405 --> 00:08:55,265 And speaking of maintaining it, when you make a change in production, say you roll 188 00:08:55,270 --> 00:08:58,415 out a new application or something else, you have to make sure that you're taking 189 00:08:58,415 --> 00:09:01,835 into consideration the ongoing costs on your disaster recovery site as well. 190 00:09:01,835 --> 00:09:02,195 So. 191 00:09:03,860 --> 00:09:04,130 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah. 192 00:09:04,310 --> 00:09:09,590 What, what I have seen is I've seen people, uh, basically as they refresh 193 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:11,960 hardware in the production site. 194 00:09:12,890 --> 00:09:19,010 They move these slightly older hardware to the, uh, recovery site, and that's 195 00:09:19,010 --> 00:09:20,930 a perfectly valid way to do things. 196 00:09:20,930 --> 00:09:22,130 It's just you, you know, you're right. 197 00:09:22,130 --> 00:09:28,100 You have to keep it up to date and it's, it's a bit weird because it's 198 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:31,340 like, it's like maintaining a car. 199 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:34,070 That you never get to drive. 200 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:35,840 Right? 201 00:09:36,065 --> 00:09:36,605 Prasanna Malaiyandi: My car, 202 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:39,380 W. Curtis Preston: you know what, it's actually have, I have a better analogy. 203 00:09:39,530 --> 00:09:41,870 It's like me with the pool, right? 204 00:09:41,870 --> 00:09:42,980 That I have, right? 205 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:44,630 I, I always wanted a pool. 206 00:09:44,635 --> 00:09:47,930 Now there's a pool in the back of my yard, in, in my backyard, 207 00:09:48,380 --> 00:09:50,630 and, uh, no one ever goes in it. 208 00:09:51,170 --> 00:09:53,780 All I have to do is I'm the one that has to clean it, right? 209 00:09:53,780 --> 00:09:54,410 I have to clean it. 210 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,830 And, uh, and all of the things that, that, that comes with the 211 00:09:57,830 --> 00:10:02,270 pool, uh, I get to do all that work, uh, for a zero amount of joy. 212 00:10:02,930 --> 00:10:07,010 And so what, what tends to happen is the site tends to get behind 213 00:10:07,015 --> 00:10:11,510 thing, you know, and you don't really find out until you do a, a DR test. 214 00:10:12,110 --> 00:10:16,190 And, uh, so that's, um, but I, I think just in short. 215 00:10:17,315 --> 00:10:21,845 The reason why most people don't do this is the cost of doing it right? 216 00:10:21,845 --> 00:10:24,515 That they're, that they have to buy all the hardware, you 217 00:10:24,515 --> 00:10:25,985 have to get it in advance. 218 00:10:26,285 --> 00:10:29,585 Um, and all of that hardware has to be taken care of and, 219 00:10:29,615 --> 00:10:30,695 you know, all of that stuff. 220 00:10:30,725 --> 00:10:34,325 Can you think of anything else that's a, like a downside of this method? 221 00:10:34,385 --> 00:10:39,095 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Um, no, uh, that's pretty much it. 222 00:10:39,095 --> 00:10:39,305 Yeah. 223 00:10:39,305 --> 00:10:43,415 I think it's just, uh, always sitting there, always. 224 00:10:44,225 --> 00:10:47,705 Like idle, basically, like you said, now there are things you could do 225 00:10:47,705 --> 00:10:51,005 to keep it sort of more functional. 226 00:10:51,065 --> 00:10:53,525 You could use it for say, doing your backups. 227 00:10:53,705 --> 00:10:58,025 I know some vendors and some companies like to do their backups off of their 228 00:10:58,030 --> 00:11:01,625 DR copy just because otherwise those resources are just sitting idle. 229 00:11:02,555 --> 00:11:05,375 And so that is one possible use of your DR site. 230 00:11:05,375 --> 00:11:09,185 And I know we've talked about sort of what can you do with copies before. 231 00:11:09,185 --> 00:11:11,615 So go back, listen to one of those episodes. 232 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:16,760 W. Curtis Preston: Right, the one on copy data management, I, yeah, absolutely. 233 00:11:17,615 --> 00:11:24,605 Uh, the next option that we have is this idea of, uh, just like everything else, 234 00:11:24,605 --> 00:11:27,305 we have recovery site as a service. 235 00:11:27,935 --> 00:11:34,745 And the idea here is that there is a place that will make sure that they have enough 236 00:11:34,750 --> 00:11:39,635 servers of a certain kind, enough storage, of a certain capacity, and, and also, 237 00:11:39,905 --> 00:11:44,765 uh, capability and of course all of the networking equipment that you would need. 238 00:11:45,785 --> 00:11:51,485 So that the idea is, uh, well, I'm just gonna say I was, I almost said 239 00:11:51,485 --> 00:11:55,715 something, but I'm gonna, the historical idea here is you show up with your box 240 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:59,105 of tapes and then you do the recovery. 241 00:11:59,555 --> 00:12:05,555 So, uh, I'm gonna throw that out there as one of the challenges 242 00:12:06,065 --> 00:12:08,225 with recovery site as a service. 243 00:12:08,225 --> 00:12:09,875 What, why might that be a challenge? 244 00:12:10,925 --> 00:12:14,555 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Because you have the, because of the time it 245 00:12:14,555 --> 00:12:16,325 takes to rebuild stuff, right? 246 00:12:17,975 --> 00:12:18,485 Was that what you were 247 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:19,385 W. Curtis Preston: close. 248 00:12:20,135 --> 00:12:23,765 Well, so, so in the old days I would show up with a box of tapes. 249 00:12:24,515 --> 00:12:25,865 How do I do that now? 250 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,410 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Oh, you replicate the data 251 00:12:29,465 --> 00:12:30,335 W. Curtis Preston: Right. 252 00:12:30,395 --> 00:12:34,415 Which means that I need to have, right. 253 00:12:34,415 --> 00:12:38,975 So in addition to providing me hardware and so, or hardware and networking. 254 00:12:39,410 --> 00:12:43,730 When I need it, they also have to provide me, I have to pay 255 00:12:44,090 --> 00:12:49,825 to basically keep a copy of my replicated backups there, which will not be free. 256 00:12:49,865 --> 00:12:50,165 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Yep. 257 00:12:51,605 --> 00:12:57,725 Yeah, and I know that there are multiple companies who look at recovery as a 258 00:12:57,725 --> 00:13:00,575 service, some of them pre-provision. 259 00:13:00,965 --> 00:13:04,910 I always worry about these companies like what happens if I. 260 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,020 Like the New York area gets wiped out and everyone's trying to fail over to their 261 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:14,900 DR site in New Jersey and they under provisioned in that scenario because 262 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:18,890 they're not gonna keep all that hardware around to guarantee no over provisioning. 263 00:13:18,890 --> 00:13:19,310 Right. 264 00:13:19,370 --> 00:13:19,610 So. 265 00:13:21,770 --> 00:13:22,070 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah. 266 00:13:22,070 --> 00:13:25,910 The, I'd say that the recovery site as a service model, that 267 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:27,680 is its biggest Achilles heel. 268 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:28,070 Right? 269 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:29,990 So the, the first is that. 270 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,890 I mean, I mean, the good news is it's gonna be less expensive 271 00:13:33,890 --> 00:13:35,540 than the first option, right? 272 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:41,780 Because you're not, because you're not paying for, I mean, you could, I, I'm sure 273 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:45,110 that, you know, and by the way, like an example of the kind of service that we're 274 00:13:45,115 --> 00:13:47,330 talking about is like sunguard, right? 275 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,360 Um, and that company's been around a really long time and I, I think 276 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,260 they've morphed actually over, over the years to also do the third 277 00:13:54,260 --> 00:13:55,520 method that we're gonna talk about. 278 00:13:55,970 --> 00:13:57,680 But the. 279 00:13:58,505 --> 00:14:00,695 You know, they have to make money. 280 00:14:00,995 --> 00:14:07,235 And so if they're going to maintain an identical, you know, amount of 281 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:14,075 infrastructure that is dedicated to you, that's the key dedicated to you, then 282 00:14:14,075 --> 00:14:15,965 that's going to cost you a ton of money. 283 00:14:15,970 --> 00:14:19,205 It's, it's essentially going to be more expensive than option one. 284 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,760 Because you have the cost of option one plus their margin. 285 00:14:23,330 --> 00:14:24,050 Prasanna Malaiyandi: exactly. 286 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:26,480 W. Curtis Preston: So, so they're, they're gonna do that. 287 00:14:26,810 --> 00:14:31,700 Um, but what you're, but what you're describing from before is 288 00:14:31,705 --> 00:14:33,770 I think the more common model. 289 00:14:33,770 --> 00:14:39,050 And that is that you have paid for the ability to have a 290 00:14:39,050 --> 00:14:43,310 certain amount of infrastructure available to you in a disaster. 291 00:14:43,790 --> 00:14:46,820 And the risk is that. 292 00:14:48,155 --> 00:14:49,865 A bunch of you have a disaster. 293 00:14:50,555 --> 00:14:50,705 Right? 294 00:14:51,275 --> 00:14:56,045 And I, and, and, and it's not, it's not the same as the cloud 295 00:14:56,050 --> 00:14:59,915 where there is this seemingly infinite amount of infrastructure. 296 00:15:00,215 --> 00:15:06,035 You have a, you have an actual data center that is of a certain size that is meant 297 00:15:06,035 --> 00:15:08,855 to be, uh, you know, it was provisioned. 298 00:15:09,305 --> 00:15:13,415 For a certain number of customers declaring a disaster at the same time. 299 00:15:14,075 --> 00:15:17,975 And then what happens when you have a glo not a global disaster, but 300 00:15:17,975 --> 00:15:22,055 a, a regional disaster takes out everything that I, I think that's, 301 00:15:22,175 --> 00:15:24,575 that's probably my biggest concern 302 00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:27,050 Prasanna Malaiyandi: I think, you know, I know we'll talk about it when 303 00:15:27,050 --> 00:15:30,500 we talk about the third option, but honestly I don't think that's any 304 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:33,980 different than like a public cloud. 305 00:15:34,010 --> 00:15:35,780 It's just the scale is different. 306 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:38,870 But we'll talk about that when we get to the third one. 307 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,020 Uh, the one other comment I wanted to make, and I don't know if you have 308 00:15:42,020 --> 00:15:48,200 experience with this or not, Curtis, is do they still allow you to do, have like. 309 00:15:48,830 --> 00:15:53,390 The agility and flexibility of say, my infrastructure is changing, how quickly 310 00:15:53,390 --> 00:15:55,550 can I push that out to my DR site? 311 00:15:55,940 --> 00:15:59,480 Or what's the process look like and how much of a lag is there? 312 00:16:01,835 --> 00:16:04,365 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah, I think that it's going to be. 313 00:16:05,525 --> 00:16:09,515 The, the lag will be the same as what would happen if you did 314 00:16:09,515 --> 00:16:11,885 it plus some amount of time. 315 00:16:12,755 --> 00:16:12,935 Right. 316 00:16:12,935 --> 00:16:17,375 Again, it's, it's gonna be the cost of what you did it, plus of, of it's going 317 00:16:17,375 --> 00:16:21,455 to be the cost of what it would be for you plus their margin in terms of the 318 00:16:21,455 --> 00:16:25,685 lag time between production changes to changes in your recovery environment. 319 00:16:25,955 --> 00:16:30,275 It's going to be the same amount of time because it co, it takes them the same 320 00:16:30,275 --> 00:16:35,135 amount of time to order servers as it does for you, uh, plus some amount of time 321 00:16:35,435 --> 00:16:37,205 for them to sort of figure that all out. 322 00:16:37,235 --> 00:16:37,595 Right? 323 00:16:38,255 --> 00:16:44,525 Um, and the o the only thing that may not be a problem here is that they probably 324 00:16:44,525 --> 00:16:46,115 over proficient their environment, 325 00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:47,360 Prasanna Malaiyandi: I would hope so. 326 00:16:47,795 --> 00:16:50,915 W. Curtis Preston: they, they hopefully over proficient their environment 327 00:16:50,915 --> 00:16:55,655 because if you need to, there have been times in the last year or two where. 328 00:16:56,270 --> 00:17:02,540 A provisioning in an order of a new server is like 90 to 120 days, right? 329 00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:06,980 So hopefully they've ordered stuff in advance and they always have extra, you 330 00:17:06,985 --> 00:17:12,350 know, capacity, which is something that they can afford to do that you might not. 331 00:17:12,860 --> 00:17:15,260 And that's where the savings comes in. 332 00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:19,550 Again, that savings comes at a risk of, uh, you know, a run on the bank. 333 00:17:19,820 --> 00:17:22,670 Uh, have you please tell me you have seen. 334 00:17:23,315 --> 00:17:26,345 Because, you know, I always, I know it's always with you and me. 335 00:17:26,495 --> 00:17:28,955 I bring up a movie and you're like, I have never seen that. 336 00:17:29,375 --> 00:17:29,975 Have you seen? 337 00:17:29,975 --> 00:17:30,935 It's a wonderful life. 338 00:17:32,765 --> 00:17:33,155 Okay. 339 00:17:33,245 --> 00:17:33,605 All right. 340 00:17:33,785 --> 00:17:36,065 You remember the run on the bank that happens at the end? 341 00:17:36,635 --> 00:17:36,935 Yeah. 342 00:17:36,940 --> 00:17:39,185 That's basically what you and I are worried about, right? 343 00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:42,005 Is everybody coming up and wanting the resources all at once 344 00:17:42,215 --> 00:17:44,165 because it's a, a, a disaster. 345 00:17:44,605 --> 00:17:48,265 . Prasanna Malaiyandi: Do you know if when you go with the recovery as a 346 00:17:48,265 --> 00:17:53,305 service option, if all of the providers allow you to customize a hardware 347 00:17:53,305 --> 00:17:54,805 to what is there in production? 348 00:17:56,725 --> 00:17:58,945 So if I use a particular vendor. 349 00:18:00,615 --> 00:18:04,165 Would they allow me to use that or is it sort of, here are your standard options? 350 00:18:04,165 --> 00:18:04,675 Go forth. 351 00:18:07,075 --> 00:18:09,565 W. Curtis Preston: I, I think both of those are. 352 00:18:11,410 --> 00:18:11,980 Right. 353 00:18:12,430 --> 00:18:16,510 Every, you know, uh, this is business. 354 00:18:16,510 --> 00:18:18,580 Everything is negotiable, right? 355 00:18:19,060 --> 00:18:22,870 Use our standard options and it costs you this much. 356 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,070 Start customizing it and it starts and it starts costing more. 357 00:18:27,370 --> 00:18:27,790 Right? 358 00:18:28,210 --> 00:18:33,490 Um, and so this is where the fact that most of us are running Wintel 359 00:18:33,495 --> 00:18:36,580 servers, right, really helps out. 360 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:40,930 Most of us are doing virtualization, most of us are using, um, you know, 361 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,880 uh, Broadcom, I think that's the new name of the, of the company, right? 362 00:18:46,645 --> 00:18:50,095 And, and so as long as you're sticking with sort of the standard things, 363 00:18:50,185 --> 00:18:53,605 uh, from a hardware perspective, it's probably not a problem. 364 00:18:53,995 --> 00:19:00,625 But if you decide I've got to have vendor X, then um, you know, uh, 365 00:19:00,925 --> 00:19:03,805 your cost is gonna go up because they're gonna buy that hardware just 366 00:19:03,810 --> 00:19:07,225 for you, again, plus margin, right? 367 00:19:07,705 --> 00:19:13,225 So, um, I, I think it's, it's, this is like. 368 00:19:14,335 --> 00:19:15,865 Every one of these choices. 369 00:19:15,895 --> 00:19:19,735 None of these are perfect for everyone, right? 370 00:19:20,065 --> 00:19:23,515 Let's talk about the third option and, and, and I'm sure everybody 371 00:19:23,515 --> 00:19:26,995 knows what the third option is, and that is recover in the public cloud. 372 00:19:27,955 --> 00:19:32,425 And the idea here is that they have so much infrastructure. 373 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:37,570 That you can very easily on demand with little planning. 374 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:42,520 I mean, you, you need to do planning, but it's not the same as with, um, 375 00:19:42,910 --> 00:19:44,830 the recovery site as a service. 376 00:19:45,910 --> 00:19:47,650 And that is you. 377 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:53,260 Um, you can at any time just literally press a button and you 378 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:56,860 can do infrastructure as code and poof, you've got as many. 379 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:03,250 Um, virtualization servers or VMs or, uh, you know, RDBMSs that 380 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:08,260 you need, uh, and that you don't really, you know, within reason. 381 00:20:08,260 --> 00:20:10,660 You don't really have to do any planning ahead. 382 00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:15,010 You just have to make sure that your billing system works or you wanna 383 00:20:15,015 --> 00:20:16,900 talk your, you're disagreeing with me. 384 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,480 Prasanna Malaiyandi: I just want, 'cause there is a lot of 385 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,430 misconceptions about the public cloud. 386 00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:26,440 Just remember it's someone else's servers, you're just borrowing them, right? 387 00:20:26,965 --> 00:20:27,385 And so. 388 00:20:27,910 --> 00:20:28,200 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah. 389 00:20:28,465 --> 00:20:31,975 Prasanna Malaiyandi: If, say an example is if you took AWS and they 390 00:20:31,975 --> 00:20:36,775 just didn't have the infrastructure to meet your DR needs in that region, 391 00:20:37,555 --> 00:20:39,565 then you may not be able to recover. 392 00:20:39,565 --> 00:20:43,525 So make sure that you have a conversation, especially if you're at that large 393 00:20:43,525 --> 00:20:47,995 of a scale with your cloud provider, to make sure that if you do need 394 00:20:47,995 --> 00:20:51,505 those resources, they're available because someone else may be using it. 395 00:20:53,275 --> 00:20:53,935 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah. 396 00:20:53,935 --> 00:20:58,285 And, and I guess that's what I meant by, I, I don't remember my exact words, 397 00:20:58,285 --> 00:20:59,845 but, but you need to do planning. 398 00:20:59,845 --> 00:21:03,145 You don't, what I'm saying is you don't need to do planning, like we're 399 00:21:03,145 --> 00:21:05,125 gonna declare a disaster Friday. 400 00:21:05,425 --> 00:21:05,845 Right. 401 00:21:05,845 --> 00:21:08,155 I, I mean, even then it is not a bad thing to. 402 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,950 Actually, if, if you're doing testing, I would do zero amount of 403 00:21:11,950 --> 00:21:13,390 notification to the cloud vendor. 404 00:21:13,390 --> 00:21:14,200 That's what I would do. 405 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,030 And just to see how they respond. 406 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,600 I, I guess you, you, you do need to do that type of planning. 407 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,730 Um, what I'm just saying is 408 00:21:21,940 --> 00:21:23,590 Prasanna Malaiyandi: You don't need to pre for provision. 409 00:21:23,725 --> 00:21:24,015 Yeah. 410 00:21:24,820 --> 00:21:25,030 W. Curtis Preston: yeah. 411 00:21:25,030 --> 00:21:28,360 You don't need to pre-provision that they should have enough infrastructure 412 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,980 and you can have those conversations. 413 00:21:29,980 --> 00:21:33,130 You say, listen, when we declare a disaster, we're gonna need. 414 00:21:34,770 --> 00:21:36,985 Thousand VMs, is that gonna be a problem? 415 00:21:37,585 --> 00:21:42,085 And they're gonna either gonna go 50,000, I thought you were gonna say a million. 416 00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:46,855 Or they're gonna say, uh, yeah, you should probably give us a call. 417 00:21:47,155 --> 00:21:47,545 Right. 418 00:21:47,815 --> 00:21:48,355 Um. 419 00:21:49,165 --> 00:21:52,435 But I, I think that the response is probably gonna be more the latter. 420 00:21:52,435 --> 00:21:52,795 Right? 421 00:21:53,245 --> 00:21:59,575 And, um, the, the other beautiful thing about the co, about the cloud is that, 422 00:21:59,575 --> 00:22:05,245 and this is not true on either of the other two options, is the cost, because. 423 00:22:06,415 --> 00:22:10,705 In order for a cloud DR system to work you, you need to have the, 424 00:22:10,765 --> 00:22:12,505 the data there already, right? 425 00:22:12,535 --> 00:22:16,735 Um, and, and so you need to do, you need to be backing up essentially 426 00:22:16,735 --> 00:22:20,545 to the cloud, but that's all you're paying for at that point. 427 00:22:20,545 --> 00:22:23,335 You're paying for the storage of. 428 00:22:24,125 --> 00:22:27,365 You know the amount of storage that you need from that cloud vendor, 429 00:22:27,815 --> 00:22:30,125 depending on how you're doing it. 430 00:22:30,125 --> 00:22:34,055 It could be block storage, it could be object storage one, you 431 00:22:34,055 --> 00:22:36,635 know, the object storage is gonna be the less expensive option. 432 00:22:36,905 --> 00:22:41,315 The block storage is going to be the ready to use it anytime you want it option. 433 00:22:41,675 --> 00:22:45,215 But the point is that 'cause with, with object storage, you're going to have to 434 00:22:45,215 --> 00:22:47,855 restore it to, to block storage, right? 435 00:22:47,855 --> 00:22:48,725 So it's not gonna be. 436 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:54,010 As quick as a restore if you, if you've essentially already restored your servers. 437 00:22:54,820 --> 00:23:00,310 But the beautiful thing is that you don't have to pay for the compute until the time 438 00:23:00,340 --> 00:23:02,950 of, uh, testing or declaring a disaster. 439 00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:05,620 Prasanna Malaiyandi: One other thing to add to that, that I think is a 440 00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:10,150 big advantage of the public cloud is I don't actually need the exact same 441 00:23:10,155 --> 00:23:16,420 resources compute wise on in the cloud for my testing as I do for production. 442 00:23:16,420 --> 00:23:16,480 I. 443 00:23:17,095 --> 00:23:22,675 So for testing, I might pick smaller instances, lower powered compute 444 00:23:23,005 --> 00:23:26,095 in order to do my testing because I don't need to spin up the beefy 445 00:23:26,095 --> 00:23:28,855 systems that I would need to actually run the production workloads. 446 00:23:30,715 --> 00:23:33,415 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah, that is a beautiful thing where, 447 00:23:33,685 --> 00:23:37,555 because again, you can't really do that in the first two options. 448 00:23:37,930 --> 00:23:40,015 You, you just sort of, you get what you get, right? 449 00:23:40,015 --> 00:23:43,825 You don't throw a fit, but here you can say, look, I, I need, you 450 00:23:43,825 --> 00:23:48,025 know, I need an M four X large for production, but, you know, an M two 451 00:23:48,085 --> 00:23:51,115 medium will do fine for my test. 452 00:23:51,385 --> 00:23:52,945 The performance isn't gonna be great. 453 00:23:53,405 --> 00:23:56,195 I'm not testing the performance, I'm testing the functionality 454 00:23:56,195 --> 00:23:57,575 of the recovery process. 455 00:23:58,385 --> 00:24:03,545 Uh, but, but I think honestly the, the greatest advantage 456 00:24:03,545 --> 00:24:06,155 here is going to be cost. 457 00:24:06,155 --> 00:24:11,225 And I think that, and also that all of that infrastructure is available as code. 458 00:24:11,225 --> 00:24:12,185 What do I mean by that? 459 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,950 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Basically you don't need to go around configuring things. 460 00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:18,520 You could code it all up, have it all available, and basically push 461 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,930 a button and say, okay, go build me my environment based, right? 462 00:24:22,930 --> 00:24:26,290 All based on what you've already pre-configured, and it'll go 463 00:24:26,295 --> 00:24:27,460 do everything you needed to do. 464 00:24:27,465 --> 00:24:31,030 And you don't have to sit there and manually spin up things and provision, 465 00:24:31,330 --> 00:24:36,490 connect things with networks, go log into 20 different switches and environments in 466 00:24:36,490 --> 00:24:37,750 order to get everything up and running. 467 00:24:39,805 --> 00:24:42,115 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah, I mean, you know, we saw this at 468 00:24:42,115 --> 00:24:43,345 our previous employer, right? 469 00:24:43,345 --> 00:24:48,535 That, that you can automate that and that you can, assuming you did enough, you 470 00:24:48,535 --> 00:24:52,765 know, planning, uh, and you configured everything correctly, you should just 471 00:24:52,765 --> 00:24:56,005 be able to literally press a button and then it configures everything that 472 00:24:56,010 --> 00:24:57,445 you need to do, just like you said. 473 00:24:57,985 --> 00:25:02,185 And then just as magical, you can shut it all down, right? 474 00:25:02,185 --> 00:25:04,375 And as soon as you shut it all down, the billing stops. 475 00:25:04,375 --> 00:25:04,735 Right? 476 00:25:07,180 --> 00:25:12,550 That, um, you know, basically you just pay for the amount of 477 00:25:12,550 --> 00:25:13,960 time that that infrastructure was 478 00:25:14,020 --> 00:25:14,350 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Yep. 479 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:15,340 Which hopefully means, 480 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,630 yeah, and that also hopefully means you can do testing more often because, 481 00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:20,830 what do you like to say, Curtis? 482 00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:23,200 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah. 483 00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:24,625 Test, test, test, test, test. 484 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:25,570 Yeah. 485 00:25:26,170 --> 00:25:29,800 Um, now I'm gonna say, I'm gonna, I'm gonna argue with 486 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,390 something and you said like. 487 00:25:32,245 --> 00:25:33,265 15 minutes ago. 488 00:25:33,685 --> 00:25:38,725 And that is, this is, here's another thing that I like about the public 489 00:25:38,725 --> 00:25:41,035 cloud versus the recovery as a service. 490 00:25:41,725 --> 00:25:47,335 While it is true, the public cloud is not unlimited, what I can do in the 491 00:25:47,335 --> 00:25:52,425 public cloud that I can't really do with a DR as a service is I can pick 492 00:25:52,425 --> 00:25:55,725 whatever region I want to recover to. 493 00:25:56,175 --> 00:26:00,525 If I am, if I'm a, you know, a business in New York, I will 494 00:26:00,525 --> 00:26:04,995 most likely pick, uh, a, um. 495 00:26:05,550 --> 00:26:08,100 You know, like we talk about SunGard, I will pick a SunGard 496 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:09,870 that's in New Jersey, right? 497 00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:14,640 You're gonna pick something that is close by because you are most likely physically 498 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,860 going to the place to make this happen. 499 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,640 With the cloud, you are never gonna see that data center. 500 00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:23,460 And so it doesn't matter where you pick it. 501 00:26:23,465 --> 00:26:24,450 Well, let me rephrase that. 502 00:26:25,290 --> 00:26:28,620 It doesn't matter where you pick it, but it doesn't have 503 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:30,450 to be down the road, right? 504 00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:34,440 And so you're not gonna have this. 505 00:26:35,065 --> 00:26:43,590 It, it, it significantly decreases the, the, the worry that there's a flood in 506 00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:47,700 the general vicinity where you live and it takes out all the businesses, and 507 00:26:47,705 --> 00:26:52,830 then it also takes out the, you know, the recovery site and everybody's using 508 00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:54,180 the recovery site all at the same time. 509 00:26:54,185 --> 00:26:56,070 I'm just saying you can spread the load out is all 510 00:26:56,085 --> 00:27:00,255 Prasanna Malaiyandi: even the recovery as a service, you could technically go 511 00:27:00,255 --> 00:27:05,025 from New York to Texas, assuming that your recovery as a service provider 512 00:27:05,025 --> 00:27:07,725 is in Texas, replicate the data there. 513 00:27:07,725 --> 00:27:13,665 Yes, it is gonna be more painful because you may not be on site, but. 514 00:27:13,790 --> 00:27:15,525 W. Curtis Preston: It, it, it is true. 515 00:27:15,585 --> 00:27:15,795 Yeah. 516 00:27:15,825 --> 00:27:16,815 That is true. 517 00:27:16,875 --> 00:27:20,715 I, I guess, I guess I'm just thinking that generally speaking, 518 00:27:20,715 --> 00:27:22,455 these types of recoveries were done. 519 00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:23,130 Prasanna Malaiyandi: person. 520 00:27:23,595 --> 00:27:24,585 W. Curtis Preston: Face to face. 521 00:27:24,645 --> 00:27:25,155 Yeah. 522 00:27:25,245 --> 00:27:26,445 Um, just I have this, 523 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,770 Prasanna Malaiyandi: And in your mind, I know Veeam has a lot of DR partners 524 00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:36,480 that can take Veeam backups and spin them up and use 'em for DR purposes. 525 00:27:36,750 --> 00:27:40,500 Would you consider that as option two, recovery as a service, or 526 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:41,820 more in line with option three? 527 00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:43,770 Even though we're using the word public cloud, there. 528 00:27:46,035 --> 00:27:46,335 W. Curtis Preston: Yeah. 529 00:27:46,335 --> 00:27:48,945 I, I think, you know, like, you know, you're talking about like 530 00:27:48,945 --> 00:27:50,745 cloud IBR, like those guys. 531 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,360 I. 532 00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:56,775 I, I think that that is, that is because you're, you're generally, you're using 533 00:27:56,775 --> 00:28:01,425 the public cloud as the underlying infrastructure, even if you are, well, 534 00:28:01,905 --> 00:28:03,495 I, I think don't they all use the public 535 00:28:03,660 --> 00:28:05,250 Prasanna Malaiyandi: They might have their own, they might have their own 536 00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:09,360 infra, but I think it's still more in line with the public cloud rather than the 537 00:28:09,945 --> 00:28:10,185 W. Curtis Preston: yeah. 538 00:28:10,185 --> 00:28:13,665 I, I think the way they behave, it behaves more like the public cloud. 539 00:28:14,175 --> 00:28:17,355 Um, and I like this, right, because it. 540 00:28:17,985 --> 00:28:22,875 It doesn't require you to use a different piece of software for Dr. 541 00:28:23,205 --> 00:28:28,185 I like this idea of using one piece of software to do, to do both backup and Dr. 542 00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:33,015 It saves a ton of money for the company as long as it meets your 543 00:28:33,075 --> 00:28:35,145 RTO and RPO requirements, right? 544 00:28:35,775 --> 00:28:38,715 Um, and it backs up all of the applications that 545 00:28:38,715 --> 00:28:40,725 you need to back up then. 546 00:28:40,785 --> 00:28:44,445 Um, you know, it, it's a great way to do it. 547 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,830 Um, can you think of anything else that we like, we haven't covered? 548 00:28:49,995 --> 00:28:53,235 Prasanna Malaiyandi: no, I think that covers all the option. 549 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,855 Well, there is a fourth option, 550 00:28:56,610 --> 00:28:57,120 W. Curtis Preston: All right. 551 00:28:57,390 --> 00:28:57,720 Dang it. 552 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,650 There's no, I'm sorry. 553 00:28:58,650 --> 00:29:00,720 I'm looking in my book and I don't see a fourth 554 00:29:00,750 --> 00:29:02,790 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Which is basically you don't have a 555 00:29:02,790 --> 00:29:05,265 disaster recovery site and you're 556 00:29:05,265 --> 00:29:05,465 host. 557 00:29:09,195 --> 00:29:10,635 W. Curtis Preston: You had me worried there for a minute. 558 00:29:10,995 --> 00:29:11,535 Yeah. 559 00:29:11,595 --> 00:29:12,825 That is the fourths option. 560 00:29:12,855 --> 00:29:14,775 No recovery site, no backup. 561 00:29:15,075 --> 00:29:17,055 No plan, no joy. 562 00:29:17,715 --> 00:29:19,785 Um, yeah, don't do that. 563 00:29:20,025 --> 00:29:23,970 Um, so I, I think if, if you can learn anything from I. 564 00:29:24,675 --> 00:29:29,895 You know, what we've been covering is that plan, plan, plan, test, test, test, 565 00:29:30,645 --> 00:29:35,085 and uh, also, uh, update your software and have a good password management 566 00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:38,355 system and have MFA, all of those things. 567 00:29:38,685 --> 00:29:46,995 And, um, yeah, so now's, you know, the, uh, what's the thing of, uh, uh, what's, 568 00:29:46,995 --> 00:29:51,255 what's that old thing of like, the best time to plan something is yesterday? 569 00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:52,000 Prasanna Malaiyandi: The next 570 00:29:52,185 --> 00:29:53,895 W. Curtis Preston: Uh, the second best time is today. 571 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:54,380 Something like that. 572 00:29:54,495 --> 00:29:55,095 Something like that. 573 00:29:55,395 --> 00:29:58,905 There's some, uh, something like that. 574 00:29:58,905 --> 00:30:01,485 Well, anyway, fun as always, Prasanna. 575 00:30:01,970 --> 00:30:02,970 Prasanna Malaiyandi: Likewise, Curtis. 576 00:30:05,475 --> 00:30:08,985 W. Curtis Preston: All right, and I hope, uh, you listeners enjoyed that. 577 00:30:08,985 --> 00:30:12,795 We do it for you and, uh, be sure to subscribe. 578 00:30:12,795 --> 00:30:14,895 We don't want you to miss any episodes. 579 00:30:15,255 --> 00:30:16,095 It's so much easier. 580 00:30:16,095 --> 00:30:21,225 It just pops up on your phone there and, uh, you can listen to our cheerful voices. 581 00:30:21,585 --> 00:30:23,205 That is a wrap.