1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:03,570 In fact, I think the stats are about 13% of the Australian population 2 00:00:03,850 --> 00:00:07,351 are considered millionaires, meaning they've got a net worth over a million dollars. But 3 00:00:07,711 --> 00:00:11,052 I would say almost all of them did it through property. And how 4 00:00:11,072 --> 00:00:14,353 they did it was they bought a property many years ago and did nothing. Well, 5 00:00:14,493 --> 00:00:17,874 they didn't do nothing. They didn't sell it, which is good. But the growth in the property from 6 00:00:17,894 --> 00:00:21,114 the immigration and the lack of land supply created that million dollar net worth, 7 00:00:21,154 --> 00:00:25,696 right? So I did it differently. I didn't do it with property. Back when I started, I 8 00:00:25,876 --> 00:00:29,077 firstly, I knew that I had to underspend my 9 00:00:29,137 --> 00:00:32,439 income. Without a doubt, that's the only way you can build wealth. 10 00:00:32,540 --> 00:00:35,943 I don't know anyone that spent more than their income 11 00:00:36,303 --> 00:00:39,766 and built wealth. This is not possible because there's a delta. There 12 00:00:39,806 --> 00:00:43,289 has to be some money left over for you to then buy assets 13 00:00:44,030 --> 00:00:47,252 or invest in a business or whatever it might be. So that's what I started to 14 00:00:47,292 --> 00:00:50,635 do first. Rented a cheap car, rented out my rooms, room 15 00:00:50,675 --> 00:00:54,118 shared. didn't go on lavish holidays, didn't buy lavish clothes, 16 00:00:54,478 --> 00:00:58,502 and I just underspent my income to save money. I saved about $40,000 to 17 00:00:58,742 --> 00:01:02,145 $50,000. I repatriated back to Australia, got into business with my dad in property. I 18 00:01:02,265 --> 00:01:05,788 was selling houses, so I was making more money, but 19 00:01:06,268 --> 00:01:09,471 it was still a job for me. It was six days a week, and of course, I continued to 20 00:01:09,551 --> 00:01:12,833 underspend my income. And what I decided to do was that extra bit of money I 21 00:01:12,873 --> 00:01:16,376 was saving, it allowed me to go into that new career without borrowing 22 00:01:16,416 --> 00:01:19,899 any money. It allowed me to buy happiness, so to speak, and I talk about it in that book, Money 23 00:01:19,939 --> 00:01:23,101 Buys Happiness. and I decided I need to put the 24 00:01:23,141 --> 00:01:26,362 money away. So I could have bought real estate, but I didn't know where I was going 25 00:01:26,382 --> 00:01:29,903 to live. I didn't want a mortgage to be anchored to. I 26 00:01:29,963 --> 00:01:33,244 felt like it was going to corner me and hold me down, 27 00:01:33,724 --> 00:01:37,725 having all that debt. And I don't like stress in my life. I don't like worry. 28 00:01:37,805 --> 00:01:40,946 So I'm like, well, that's just going to create more of that. So I'm going to avoid that. What should I do is 29 00:01:40,966 --> 00:01:44,367 I picked up this book by Warren Buffett, or it's actually by Alice Schroeder called 30 00:01:44,727 --> 00:01:47,989 The Snowball, and it's about Warren Buffett's life. Fun fact, I'm going 31 00:01:48,009 --> 00:01:51,191 to see Warren Buffett this week. I'm flying out Thursday to 32 00:01:51,231 --> 00:01:54,634 go and see Warren Buffett. So that's cool. Anyway, I read this book and he was investing in 33 00:01:54,674 --> 00:01:58,137 shares. And it really gave me this, like the penny dropped 34 00:01:58,157 --> 00:02:01,459 for me that I understood that straight away. I was like, I get this concept. This makes sense for 35 00:02:01,499 --> 00:02:04,742 me. Buying pieces of undervalued businesses. Ha ha, this is 36 00:02:04,782 --> 00:02:08,124 better than buying a house. So I took some of that extra cash I was saving 37 00:02:08,144 --> 00:02:11,427 from my job initially and then into the property game where I was marketing and 38 00:02:11,447 --> 00:02:15,049 selling property, running a small business with my dad and I would always, if 39 00:02:15,090 --> 00:02:18,252 I did a settlement or did a deal and got paid, I 40 00:02:18,272 --> 00:02:21,374 would get paid about $10,000 or $12,000 back then each time I did a 41 00:02:21,394 --> 00:02:24,456 real estate settlement and I'd take half of it and pay myself and 42 00:02:24,496 --> 00:02:28,399 I'd take half and buy shares. And I did that, deal 43 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:32,022 in, deal out, deal in, deal out, deal in, deal out, deal 44 00:02:32,082 --> 00:02:35,484 in, deal out. Every time I got paid, pay myself some, bought shares, pay 45 00:02:35,504 --> 00:02:38,707 myself some, bought shares, pay myself some, bought shares. And 46 00:02:38,747 --> 00:02:42,389 like I just played that game for quite a while, I still underspent 47 00:02:42,429 --> 00:02:45,911 my income. So whilst my wife Alicia and I could go on holidays, she 48 00:02:45,931 --> 00:02:49,113 was working full time as a paralegal, I was working six days a week. We 49 00:02:49,193 --> 00:02:53,075 didn't go and buy Range Rovers. We still live in the same apartment 50 00:02:53,576 --> 00:02:57,158 that we did 12 years ago. We still haven't left it. And there's a real secret 51 00:02:57,198 --> 00:03:00,279 there with wealth creation, which is pretty much the sameness of sameness of 52 00:03:00,359 --> 00:03:03,661 same. So the way that I invest my money 53 00:03:03,721 --> 00:03:06,843 now is the same as what I did 15 years ago. The same place we live 54 00:03:06,863 --> 00:03:10,105 in is the same we did 12 years ago. The same, the same. You would see 55 00:03:10,125 --> 00:03:13,528 me in these episodes, I'm wearing the same t-shirts. The same cut, the 56 00:03:13,608 --> 00:03:16,893 same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same, the same. There's a lot of... 57 00:03:17,985 --> 00:03:21,487 magic with wealth building, which is the same. Once 58 00:03:21,527 --> 00:03:24,769 you figure out what works, why change it? And that's 59 00:03:24,809 --> 00:03:28,011 what happens to people a lot. They'll change direction so 60 00:03:28,091 --> 00:03:31,373 much. They just don't get any traction. And you see this in how many times 61 00:03:31,393 --> 00:03:34,875 they shift where they live, what car they drive, what 62 00:03:34,995 --> 00:03:38,196 clothes they're buying, what type of investments they're buying. They 63 00:03:38,216 --> 00:03:41,538 do it over multiple businesses. Oh, there's another shiny business. I'll go there. 64 00:03:41,678 --> 00:03:45,061 And they get no traction. So what happened to me when I was in the property industry and buying 65 00:03:45,082 --> 00:03:48,585 these shares, I started to see my portfolio grow. And 66 00:03:48,886 --> 00:03:53,310 my portfolio was probably at about $300,000 by then in 2014, maybe 67 00:03:53,410 --> 00:03:56,734 $250,000. It wasn't massive because remember, I didn't buy a house. So I had the equity 68 00:03:56,774 --> 00:03:59,998 that would have gone into a house and I was paying about $550 a week rent. 69 00:04:00,198 --> 00:04:03,461 But I was also splitting it between my wife and her sister who was living with us at the time. So 70 00:04:03,501 --> 00:04:07,284 my rent was like $200 a week. When you think about it, that's crazy low, 71 00:04:07,345 --> 00:04:10,587 right? So I've always tried to keep my costs low It's just 72 00:04:10,627 --> 00:04:13,869 the most effective way to almost guarantee you're 73 00:04:13,889 --> 00:04:17,151 gonna get ahead It's easier to manage the 74 00:04:17,251 --> 00:04:20,333 cost than it is to increase your income in my opinion. You have 75 00:04:20,373 --> 00:04:24,756 more control over that and so 250,000 roughly 76 00:04:24,776 --> 00:04:27,838 in the portfolio working six days a week in property and I 77 00:04:27,858 --> 00:04:31,664 remember one day I sat down and thought oh I 78 00:04:31,704 --> 00:04:34,925 want to become a millionaire. Now I want to do it. What 79 00:04:34,965 --> 00:04:38,247 do I have to do? How long is it going to take me? And I remember sitting in the office at 7 o'clock 80 00:04:38,267 --> 00:04:43,089 at night. I pulled up an Excel spreadsheet and I put in 250,000, whatever 81 00:04:43,109 --> 00:04:46,611 the portfolio was. I'm saving 25 grand a year, buying stocks. 82 00:04:46,731 --> 00:04:50,072 I have no debt. This is my income. I think it's probably going to stay very 83 00:04:50,112 --> 00:04:53,434 similar. Hopefully it goes up if I can do more deals. And I 84 00:04:53,494 --> 00:04:57,486 realized it was going to take me like 15 years to become a millionaire. And 85 00:04:57,506 --> 00:05:00,808 at the time, I was probably about 30, 31. I was like, oh my god, 86 00:05:00,828 --> 00:05:04,031 I want to be a millionaire at 45, 46. Like, what am I going to do? 87 00:05:04,271 --> 00:05:07,673 And I realized, I can't cut them anymore. I 88 00:05:07,693 --> 00:05:10,775 still want to have a reasonable life. But I was 89 00:05:10,795 --> 00:05:13,917 like, well, I need to increase my income. So how was I going to do that? And 90 00:05:13,938 --> 00:05:17,380 then my sister introduced me to a business model called network marketing, accidentally 91 00:05:17,420 --> 00:05:20,462 fell into it. And I tried the products, got in shape, actually went on to win a 92 00:05:20,502 --> 00:05:23,664 bodybuilding competition using the products, which is really life-changing for me. And then 93 00:05:23,684 --> 00:05:26,946 I helped other people get the products and use them. And so 94 00:05:26,986 --> 00:05:30,708 my wife and I with my sister built this network marketing business on the side with 95 00:05:30,728 --> 00:05:34,690 the objective to increase my income by $25,000 a 96 00:05:34,730 --> 00:05:38,152 year, which is, by the way, only 500 bucks a week. It's not like heaps. 97 00:05:38,172 --> 00:05:42,174 It's like, what if we could keep doing my real estate deals six 98 00:05:42,194 --> 00:05:45,535 days a week and then make an extra 500 bucks a week network 99 00:05:45,575 --> 00:05:48,797 marketing and take the extra money and invest it into shares. And by doing that, I 100 00:05:48,817 --> 00:05:51,978 was doubling my saving rate and doubling my investing rate, which means I was going to 101 00:05:52,098 --> 00:05:55,459 cut the time in half. So I was going to be a millionaire when it's seven 102 00:05:55,479 --> 00:05:58,880 and a half years instead of 15 years. It was simple math. 103 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,682 So I was like, this is going to be the strategy. This is my strategy. This is 104 00:06:02,802 --> 00:06:06,224 it. So we got after it, right? I stayed working. I 105 00:06:06,244 --> 00:06:09,346 didn't jump out of my job. I would do appointments in 106 00:06:09,366 --> 00:06:12,488 the office and go downstairs and get on the phone, do network marketing, go back upstairs, do an 107 00:06:12,528 --> 00:06:15,891 appointment, do network marketing. It's just boom, boom, boom. On weekends, 108 00:06:15,951 --> 00:06:19,233 we'd drive and fly to Sydney to learn more about network marketing. We would do things 109 00:06:19,273 --> 00:06:22,695 on the weekend. In the evenings, I'd pick Alicia up from work, go home, sit in the car, do 110 00:06:22,715 --> 00:06:27,703 the work, do the work, do the work. And we did that for four 111 00:06:27,723 --> 00:06:31,005 years from when we started in 2014, 2018. And in that 112 00:06:31,065 --> 00:06:34,426 timeframe, we reinvested a lot back into building that business, but 113 00:06:34,467 --> 00:06:37,948 what we developed is about $180,000 a year of extra money 114 00:06:39,049 --> 00:06:42,490 on the side while we're in our jobs. And I realized at 115 00:06:42,531 --> 00:06:45,732 that point, we were able to add about another half a million dollars to 116 00:06:45,772 --> 00:06:49,074 the portfolio, maybe 400,000. And by the time 117 00:06:49,114 --> 00:06:56,337 I left my job in the property business in 2018, the portfolio was at about 650,000. And 118 00:06:56,377 --> 00:06:59,519 as I left that in 2018, by 119 00:06:59,559 --> 00:07:03,501 the time 2020 rolled around, the portfolio had lifted from 120 00:07:03,941 --> 00:07:07,063 650 to 700,000 up to a million dollars. So 121 00:07:07,083 --> 00:07:11,085 I left my job, went full-time in a network marketing business in 122 00:07:11,385 --> 00:07:14,687 2018. The portfolio was at about 650,000, was paying as passive income 123 00:07:14,707 --> 00:07:17,928 from dividends, which is what allowed us to get out of our jobs as well. It wasn't just the side 124 00:07:17,948 --> 00:07:21,090 hustle, it was a combination of that for me to pay my rent and everything, and 125 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:24,392 then also the side hustle of 180 grand a year. Alicia left her job. 126 00:07:24,772 --> 00:07:28,655 So we're basically financially independent. And the portfolio then grew as 127 00:07:28,715 --> 00:07:32,919 COVID hit. And I remember picking up my phone one day before I wrote this book. I 128 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:36,161 was like, I really want to write a book about how we did this. Because if you think 129 00:07:36,201 --> 00:07:39,664 about it, we became financially free out of the rat race in 130 00:07:39,704 --> 00:07:42,862 our 30s. completely free, which is 131 00:07:43,542 --> 00:07:47,485 unbelievable, really, when you think about it. And back then, especially. And 132 00:07:47,505 --> 00:07:50,727 I had a million-dollar portfolio. I was like, well, this is interesting. Didn't own any 133 00:07:50,767 --> 00:07:54,110 property. I'd like to be able to get it to a million bucks before I write this book. 134 00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:58,017 And I remember before we launched this book down in Corumban, I 135 00:07:58,337 --> 00:08:01,778 looked at my phone, pulled up my portfolio, and it was like $998,000. It was 136 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:05,600 just sitting there. I was watching it. 137 00:08:05,660 --> 00:08:08,721 I was watching it and watching it. I was like, oh my God, I want it to be a million bucks. I want it to be a 138 00:08:08,741 --> 00:08:12,462 million bucks. I scrolled the phone down, hit the record button, and 139 00:08:12,502 --> 00:08:15,763 I recorded. I'm sure if I pull up the recording now on my phone and go back 140 00:08:15,803 --> 00:08:19,365 far enough, I could find it. And I recorded it as it clicked over 141 00:08:19,405 --> 00:08:22,605 to a million bucks. And I remember sending the video to my little sister and saying, look at this, it's 142 00:08:22,625 --> 00:08:26,166 a million dollars. And at that time, it's like you kind of, you 143 00:08:26,186 --> 00:08:29,587 have this fantasy of what happens when you become a millionaire. You're like, oh, my life's going to change 144 00:08:29,627 --> 00:08:32,928 and it's going to be amazing. And then the marching band never came 145 00:08:32,988 --> 00:08:36,789 in. And I 146 00:08:36,809 --> 00:08:40,270 was like, oh, we're millionaires. That's it. 147 00:08:41,331 --> 00:08:44,760 No debt. Million dollar net worth. Free. 148 00:08:45,842 --> 00:08:49,187 And then I wrote that book about it, about how other people 149 00:08:49,207 --> 00:08:52,533 could do the same thing. And I've been helping people ever since to do the same thing, following 150 00:08:52,553 --> 00:08:56,619 the same system, the same strategy as what we've done. And 151 00:08:56,639 --> 00:09:00,740 it's in that book. And then beyond that, we do other things. We're 152 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,202 now multimillionaires. But what's interesting is the strategy really changes. 153 00:09:04,382 --> 00:09:07,905 Underspend your income, find ways to add extra money with a side hustle 154 00:09:07,925 --> 00:09:11,347 or business, invest the proceeds consistently into the same sort 155 00:09:11,387 --> 00:09:14,729 of asset class that you understand, and be patient. And it will grow 156 00:09:14,789 --> 00:09:18,551 over time. Those three steps of underspend your income, find 157 00:09:18,571 --> 00:09:22,694 ways to make extra money, and invest in assets that you understand are the three components 158 00:09:22,774 --> 00:09:26,036 and steps that I talk about in this book. And they're repeated in this book. 159 00:09:26,316 --> 00:09:29,859 There's two extra steps in here for mindset and mentorship, which speeds things 160 00:09:29,979 --> 00:09:33,342 up. But the concepts remain 161 00:09:33,602 --> 00:09:36,985 the same. And that's where the sameness comes into 162 00:09:37,125 --> 00:09:40,528 wealth building that people really underestimate that gets 163 00:09:40,548 --> 00:09:43,670 them in a lot of trouble because they get bored. And one of the 164 00:09:43,691 --> 00:09:47,214 things you got to do when you're trying to build wealth is keep the mundane exciting. 165 00:09:47,474 --> 00:09:50,677 So all that stuff kind of compounds over time, but it started with 166 00:09:50,697 --> 00:09:53,900 that decision to make the first million. But 167 00:09:53,940 --> 00:09:57,323 you see when I did it, there was an actual measurable like, 168 00:09:57,444 --> 00:10:00,767 shit, I need to increase my income here. Okay, now we need to invest it. Now 169 00:10:00,787 --> 00:10:03,991 we need to not do anything else. And I think it's in the not doing anything else 170 00:10:04,692 --> 00:10:07,835 and sticking to your knitting and focused on what's working and 171 00:10:07,875 --> 00:10:11,018 repeating it, that's where the magic lies. That's the 172 00:10:11,078 --> 00:10:14,260 story of how we became millionaires initially. That's a 173 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,442 real-life story. It's in our books. 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