1 00:00:39,950 --> 00:00:40,670 Brittney Sherman: alright. 2 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,930 I'm um I'm a little flustered. 3 00:00:47,519 --> 00:00:48,390 Sonia Meza-Leon: Uh, 4 00:00:48,420 --> 00:00:50,610 Brittney Sherman: I know it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to you 5 00:00:50,610 --> 00:00:54,960 guys right now because we don't necessarily release our episodes in 6 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,180 the order in which we record them. 7 00:00:57,930 --> 00:01:01,440 But I was just thrown for a little bit of a loop from our last recording. 8 00:01:01,470 --> 00:01:04,860 So I got to kind of get back in the zone here. 9 00:01:04,890 --> 00:01:06,990 Uh, Sanya kinda messed with my head a little. 10 00:01:07,845 --> 00:01:09,735 Sonia Meza-Leon: Okay, well, this will definitely get you back in the 11 00:01:09,735 --> 00:01:12,554 zone because what we're going to be talking about next, Brittany is I 12 00:01:12,554 --> 00:01:16,695 think one of our favorite, docu-series 13 00:01:16,695 --> 00:01:18,705 Brittney Sherman: not my favorite, but, 14 00:01:18,705 --> 00:01:20,565 Sonia Meza-Leon: um, it's perplexing. 15 00:01:21,405 --> 00:01:21,525 Oh, 16 00:01:21,525 --> 00:01:21,885 Brittney Sherman: yeah. 17 00:01:21,975 --> 00:01:23,325 That's for sure. 18 00:01:23,804 --> 00:01:24,165 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 19 00:01:24,195 --> 00:01:28,414 It's um, I mean, I, I felt a little strange at the end of it, but let's, 20 00:01:28,425 --> 00:01:29,595 uh, let's start at the beginning. 21 00:01:29,595 --> 00:01:30,375 What are we talking about? 22 00:01:30,375 --> 00:01:30,675 Ready? 23 00:01:31,335 --> 00:01:35,595 Brittney Sherman: We are talking about the Netflix docu-series 24 00:01:35,625 --> 00:01:38,175 by the Duplass brothers and 25 00:01:38,875 --> 00:01:39,795 Sonia Meza-Leon: I love them. 26 00:01:40,185 --> 00:01:42,134 Brittney Sherman: I'm calling them out specifically because 27 00:01:42,164 --> 00:01:44,295 they are, they are awesome. 28 00:01:44,355 --> 00:01:47,895 They make some really great shows and movies. 29 00:01:48,825 --> 00:01:51,135 Called evil genius. 30 00:01:51,585 --> 00:01:55,365 Um, and this was, this was a show that came out in, I don't 31 00:01:55,365 --> 00:01:58,905 know, 17, 18, maybe 2018. 32 00:01:58,905 --> 00:01:59,355 Okay. 33 00:01:59,475 --> 00:02:01,155 So it's a lot of new one. 34 00:02:01,395 --> 00:02:05,025 Um, but it's, it's really interesting. 35 00:02:05,265 --> 00:02:11,835 Quick little, uh, Very high level, what the series seems like it's about and what 36 00:02:11,835 --> 00:02:15,255 it's actually about are very different. 37 00:02:15,765 --> 00:02:24,015 It seems like it's about the, was it 2004, three, 2003, 2003 bank 38 00:02:24,015 --> 00:02:34,485 robbery slash bombing that a hostage bombing, single person hostage, uh, 39 00:02:34,575 --> 00:02:37,005 that I remember vaguely happened. 40 00:02:38,340 --> 00:02:40,050 Sonia Meza-Leon: And I don't remember that happening. 41 00:02:41,115 --> 00:02:45,405 Brittney Sherman: Yeah, I remember vaguely and you, my listeners might remember it. 42 00:02:45,405 --> 00:02:49,785 It was the guy who was, uh, had a bomb strapped to his chest. 43 00:02:49,965 --> 00:02:51,405 He had just robbed a bank. 44 00:02:51,675 --> 00:02:58,575 And, um, there, I mean kind of like the iconic scenes of him are on the asphalt 45 00:02:58,635 --> 00:03:04,394 between two squad cars, handcuffed saying he's got a bomb and it's going to explore. 46 00:03:05,410 --> 00:03:06,700 And ultimately explodes. 47 00:03:06,970 --> 00:03:11,650 So the documentary starts out seemingly like it's going to be about that event, 48 00:03:11,980 --> 00:03:15,880 but it's totally not about that at all. 49 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:17,980 I mean, it is, but not really. 50 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:18,550 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 51 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:21,640 So the docu-series is called evil genius. 52 00:03:21,670 --> 00:03:25,000 The true story of America's most diabolical bank. 53 00:03:26,054 --> 00:03:31,154 And even there, Brittany, like, to your point, it's not what you think, but I'm 54 00:03:31,154 --> 00:03:37,454 not even sure the name is accurate because I worry I'm like, how diabolical was it? 55 00:03:37,454 --> 00:03:39,195 So this was a true story. 56 00:03:39,195 --> 00:03:40,364 This really happened. 57 00:03:40,605 --> 00:03:45,955 But really to your point, you know, So much bigger and so much smaller at the 58 00:03:45,955 --> 00:03:50,635 same time, you know, like it's like, it was such a white wine, you know, like 59 00:03:52,375 --> 00:03:57,685 totally stupid, but, you know, I mean, Hey, it was a windy road to get there. 60 00:03:57,685 --> 00:03:58,555 I will say that. 61 00:03:58,555 --> 00:04:01,495 So this docu series centers around. 62 00:04:02,429 --> 00:04:04,019 Weird cast of characters. 63 00:04:04,530 --> 00:04:08,549 The first of course is the poor dude who got blown up Brian Wells. 64 00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:12,929 And, um, you know, he, this is in Erie, Pennsylvania, so he was a guy, 65 00:04:12,989 --> 00:04:15,060 you know, he's a pizza delivery guy. 66 00:04:15,540 --> 00:04:21,599 Um, he, I mean, he, like Brittany said, you know, he's, we see that we have 67 00:04:21,599 --> 00:04:25,200 a lot of footage of this guy because we know that he goes into a bank. 68 00:04:25,230 --> 00:04:28,980 We know that he has a bomb strapped to his chest because 69 00:04:28,980 --> 00:04:30,570 it's pretty obvious there's a. 70 00:04:31,664 --> 00:04:35,625 On over the bond, but it's huge and it's a color, it's a color bomb. 71 00:04:35,864 --> 00:04:38,864 So essentially it's a collar around his neck that he can't get off. 72 00:04:39,495 --> 00:04:43,065 And by the way, he also has a gun that's in the shape of a king. 73 00:04:43,664 --> 00:04:48,705 So he, how pray, tell did this gentleman get like, this is what you're probably 74 00:04:48,705 --> 00:04:50,955 asking, but we'll tell you about that. 75 00:04:51,765 --> 00:04:53,445 He goes into the bank. 76 00:04:53,625 --> 00:04:54,945 He demands money. 77 00:04:55,335 --> 00:04:56,984 I think they give them some money. 78 00:04:57,135 --> 00:04:58,995 Brittney Sherman: Yeah, I think they do. 79 00:04:58,995 --> 00:05:06,825 And I, he, he was sent into the bank with this like long, almost like 80 00:05:06,854 --> 00:05:14,354 manifesto that long and short of it was give me $250,000 or I'm going to 81 00:05:14,354 --> 00:05:15,794 blow up this bomb attached to my chest. 82 00:05:16,034 --> 00:05:20,534 So I don't know what they actually give him, but they give him something. 83 00:05:21,705 --> 00:05:23,715 I mean, I've always heard that banks are insured. 84 00:05:23,715 --> 00:05:27,495 So in those situations they're essentially told, just do it. 85 00:05:27,525 --> 00:05:33,195 Don't cause a panic there's that probably that like explosive dye stuff in there. 86 00:05:33,195 --> 00:05:35,445 Anyway, the bank is insured. 87 00:05:35,475 --> 00:05:37,155 The police will be called instantly. 88 00:05:37,365 --> 00:05:42,825 So he goes in, he gives the note, he gets the money you walks out and 89 00:05:42,825 --> 00:05:44,505 pretty much police swarm instantly. 90 00:05:45,705 --> 00:05:46,725 Sonia Meza-Leon: So was weird about it. 91 00:05:47,605 --> 00:05:51,175 You would say to yourself when you see the footage of this dude, that 92 00:05:51,415 --> 00:05:57,355 he doesn't look to be under any real stress entering in, he's got his cane. 93 00:05:57,775 --> 00:05:59,005 Um, it would appear that. 94 00:05:59,865 --> 00:06:04,635 Somehow or another, you know, it maybe knows that either the bomb's 95 00:06:04,635 --> 00:06:08,475 not real or he's, he doesn't, doesn't appear to think that he's in any 96 00:06:08,475 --> 00:06:10,005 danger, I guess is what I'll say. 97 00:06:10,005 --> 00:06:10,305 Right. 98 00:06:10,695 --> 00:06:15,195 He strolls in, he strolls out, he goes out to his car and the police swarm him. 99 00:06:15,465 --> 00:06:18,885 I think he's sitting down in front of his car on the, uh, there's a 100 00:06:18,885 --> 00:06:19,995 lot of footage of this, by the way. 101 00:06:21,455 --> 00:06:21,725 Yeah. 102 00:06:21,735 --> 00:06:22,425 It's like what? 103 00:06:22,695 --> 00:06:24,875 And then, uh, of course he's sitting there. 104 00:06:24,925 --> 00:06:25,005 Yeah. 105 00:06:25,695 --> 00:06:29,325 What starts happening, you know, they put, I think, I don't know if they have 106 00:06:29,325 --> 00:06:32,925 handcuffs on and he's sitting on the ground, he's sitting on the ground. 107 00:06:32,955 --> 00:06:34,724 The police have no freaking idea what to do. 108 00:06:34,724 --> 00:06:35,505 Cause they're terrified. 109 00:06:35,505 --> 00:06:38,414 They're like, well, we know the guy's got a bomb somewhere and 110 00:06:38,414 --> 00:06:39,734 we don't want to go up there. 111 00:06:39,885 --> 00:06:40,755 Isn't real. 112 00:06:40,935 --> 00:06:43,065 The guy doesn't seem to be acting like it's real. 113 00:06:43,094 --> 00:06:44,895 He doesn't seem to be in under any. 114 00:06:45,950 --> 00:06:47,690 Except when it starts ticking. 115 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:48,200 Yeah. 116 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,320 And then he's like, I think this thing's going to go off. 117 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,470 And this is when you kind of see the shift in him and it's like, oh shit. 118 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:55,670 Even. 119 00:06:55,670 --> 00:06:56,420 So though 120 00:06:56,750 --> 00:07:01,010 Brittney Sherman: there's, there is somewhat of a shift in him, but it's 121 00:07:01,010 --> 00:07:05,390 still less of a shift than I would expect for someone who's about to be blown up 122 00:07:05,630 --> 00:07:08,390 because he's like, Hey guys, no real. 123 00:07:09,135 --> 00:07:13,185 It's going to explode as opposed to like, holy shit. 124 00:07:13,424 --> 00:07:15,255 Oh my God, I'm going to die. 125 00:07:15,315 --> 00:07:16,305 Get me outta here. 126 00:07:16,305 --> 00:07:17,594 Like, there's not panic. 127 00:07:17,625 --> 00:07:20,174 It's just, this is serious. 128 00:07:20,205 --> 00:07:20,805 Come on. 129 00:07:20,864 --> 00:07:21,974 You know, let's hurry this up. 130 00:07:22,005 --> 00:07:23,174 Let's let's move this along 131 00:07:24,015 --> 00:07:24,435 Sonia Meza-Leon: that. 132 00:07:24,465 --> 00:07:25,965 Well, exactly. 133 00:07:26,174 --> 00:07:27,825 And let's remember that because. 134 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,460 There's conversations later about whether this gentleman, you 135 00:07:32,460 --> 00:07:34,830 know, participated in this crime. 136 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:39,600 And I think that's a real tell that I do feel like you, Brittany that up 137 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,220 into the minute where he got blown up. 138 00:07:41,250 --> 00:07:43,500 I don't think he thought that he was going to get blown up. 139 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,620 Brittney Sherman: No, we'll, uh, we'll talk about that towards the end, because 140 00:07:50,490 --> 00:07:53,670 that's how I kind of felt, but then. 141 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,120 Sonia Meza-Leon: I don't know either. 142 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,530 So let's go with a cast of characters because we've got the initial incident. 143 00:08:01,530 --> 00:08:03,960 So let's talk a little bit of a mom, more of this, this 144 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,900 guy, he gets blown up he's um, 145 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:09,120 Brittney Sherman: and by the way, 146 00:08:12,674 --> 00:08:13,875 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah, it's crazy. 147 00:08:14,325 --> 00:08:16,905 He falls over the police are like, what do we do? 148 00:08:16,905 --> 00:08:19,635 You know, is he going to blow up again or do we walk up to them? 149 00:08:19,635 --> 00:08:19,965 Right. 150 00:08:20,054 --> 00:08:21,794 I mean, how do we know if he's alive? 151 00:08:21,895 --> 00:08:23,025 Do we help him? 152 00:08:23,114 --> 00:08:25,125 Is he the victim or is he a criminal? 153 00:08:25,155 --> 00:08:26,054 Like didn't even know. 154 00:08:26,534 --> 00:08:29,835 I think they figured out after a while by the look on his face, I'm 155 00:08:29,835 --> 00:08:32,745 sure that he's no longer alive and. 156 00:08:34,064 --> 00:08:37,934 Here's where I was like, whoa, that's crazy and weird. 157 00:08:38,595 --> 00:08:40,034 So he's got a collar bomb on. 158 00:08:40,034 --> 00:08:40,455 Right. 159 00:08:40,605 --> 00:08:45,405 And so they, and rightly, so these police are very concerned that 160 00:08:45,405 --> 00:08:46,455 this thing might blow up again. 161 00:08:46,485 --> 00:08:50,745 And if they take it off of him or try to manipulate the bomb 162 00:08:50,745 --> 00:08:52,605 in any way, it could explode. 163 00:08:52,785 --> 00:08:53,595 So they're scared. 164 00:08:53,595 --> 00:08:54,015 Right? 165 00:08:54,555 --> 00:08:56,325 So they cut his head off to get the ball. 166 00:08:57,314 --> 00:09:00,375 On the, on the sidewalk essentially. 167 00:09:00,405 --> 00:09:04,275 Yeah, right there, right there in the middle of shenanigans. 168 00:09:04,275 --> 00:09:05,084 Just everybody. 169 00:09:06,435 --> 00:09:06,915 Brittney Sherman: Yeah. 170 00:09:07,545 --> 00:09:08,175 Yeah. 171 00:09:08,415 --> 00:09:14,595 So, but also it's the, the cut is, I think they tried to remove 172 00:09:14,595 --> 00:09:20,055 the collar because the, the, the. 173 00:09:21,550 --> 00:09:25,960 Big backstory of this is, it was actually kind of a game 174 00:09:26,350 --> 00:09:28,510 where he had this collar on. 175 00:09:28,690 --> 00:09:33,130 He was going to, he, he robbed the bank and then he was being sent on 176 00:09:33,130 --> 00:09:36,340 a scavenger hunt of other places. 177 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:40,810 And he was going to get information that was going to lead him to the 178 00:09:40,810 --> 00:09:46,180 keys so he could let himself out of the collar and it turned, and 179 00:09:46,180 --> 00:09:48,580 there were four like locks on the. 180 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,100 Only two of them were even capable of being unlocked. 181 00:09:53,550 --> 00:09:57,120 So two of them were like, just decoys anyway. 182 00:09:57,510 --> 00:10:01,500 So part of that is what messed up with the officers too, is that 183 00:10:01,830 --> 00:10:05,640 they didn't know if there was even really a way to get that collar off. 184 00:10:06,420 --> 00:10:06,870 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 185 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:09,569 And, and try not to move the guy. 186 00:10:09,569 --> 00:10:11,400 And I hate rightly so. 187 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,280 You know, I don't really blame them and I think. 188 00:10:14,130 --> 00:10:19,110 The family was pissed off, but it's an unusual circumstance. 189 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:21,030 And I think the police had to do what they had to do to 190 00:10:21,030 --> 00:10:22,230 make sure that they were safe. 191 00:10:23,970 --> 00:10:26,580 Now we, we move along again. 192 00:10:26,610 --> 00:10:31,140 Brittany's point we find paperwork in the car, um, uh, Brian Wells, and 193 00:10:31,170 --> 00:10:35,220 we know that there's a bomb and it's pretty easy to dissect the pieces, 194 00:10:35,220 --> 00:10:40,080 the flew everywhere and understand and potentially figure out who made the bomb. 195 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:42,780 So that happens, right? 196 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:44,190 That's on the news. 197 00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:46,950 That's known as the pizza bomber, so on. 198 00:10:46,950 --> 00:10:47,190 And so. 199 00:10:48,705 --> 00:10:49,665 Parallel to that. 200 00:10:49,665 --> 00:10:50,025 Right? 201 00:10:50,475 --> 00:10:57,975 We've got another case where we've got a gentleman named bill Rothstein, call the 202 00:10:57,975 --> 00:11:05,715 police and say, Hey, I need to tell you that I got a dead body in my freezer and 203 00:11:05,745 --> 00:11:12,585 this crazy woman, Marjorie deal Armstrong, who was my, or is my ex-girlfriend or not. 204 00:11:12,615 --> 00:11:13,995 Maybe she's my girlfriend who knows. 205 00:11:14,085 --> 00:11:14,925 I'm not really sure. 206 00:11:16,185 --> 00:11:16,875 I'm not sure. 207 00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:21,780 But she's with me and she made me put the body in the freezer and, 208 00:11:22,110 --> 00:11:25,530 um, you know, I've been stalling for time because I know it's wrong. 209 00:11:25,740 --> 00:11:28,650 And the way I've been selling for crime is time, time as I've been going 210 00:11:28,650 --> 00:11:33,450 around, pretending like I'm buying meat, grinders, and other ways to do this body, 211 00:11:33,690 --> 00:11:35,550 but let's be sure we freeze it for now. 212 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,470 Um, and so this is where it gets weird, man, the police. 213 00:11:41,339 --> 00:11:42,689 Go over to bill Rothstein. 214 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:45,719 So the person who's talks about again, Marjorie deal Armstrong. 215 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:46,620 We'll talk about her in a minute. 216 00:11:47,130 --> 00:11:51,479 The police go over to his house and he shows them around, gives 217 00:11:51,479 --> 00:11:56,250 them a tour, including the tour of the freezer with the dead body. 218 00:11:56,849 --> 00:12:00,150 So Brittany, who is in the freezer, would you like to share. 219 00:12:00,930 --> 00:12:06,570 Brittney Sherman: Uh, so I have to admit, I have a little bit of a confession 220 00:12:06,570 --> 00:12:12,660 to make, uh, this is the, this is the second time I've watched this series. 221 00:12:13,140 --> 00:12:20,810 And the end of episode one is when bill calls the police, the start-up 222 00:12:20,810 --> 00:12:24,600 of episode two is when he starts showing the police around his place. 223 00:12:25,770 --> 00:12:28,470 I fell asleep watching episode two, the second time. 224 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:32,610 And watch it all the way through the first time I fell asleep the second 225 00:12:32,610 --> 00:12:41,069 time, um, the, the victim, the body at this point is Marjorie deal. 226 00:12:41,069 --> 00:12:45,750 Armstrong's another one of her ex-boyfriends. 227 00:12:51,525 --> 00:12:56,535 He was, he was her former boyfriend at the time. 228 00:12:58,035 --> 00:13:00,465 His last name is roadblock and tell you why you remember his 229 00:13:00,465 --> 00:13:01,635 last name, but what's his first. 230 00:13:02,745 --> 00:13:06,045 Sonia Meza-Leon: Jeez, this gentleman's name and if they had been dating 231 00:13:06,045 --> 00:13:07,155 apparently for quite a while. 232 00:13:07,155 --> 00:13:09,704 So when we talk about Marjorie a little bit, well, first of all, go, 233 00:13:10,064 --> 00:13:14,535 can he stay with her for 10 years, but a changed route and was his name. 234 00:13:14,594 --> 00:13:17,775 And he was folded up like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and put into 235 00:13:17,775 --> 00:13:19,935 the freezer and kept there for a while. 236 00:13:19,935 --> 00:13:24,405 While bill was, I guess, just trying to figure out what to do with 237 00:13:25,155 --> 00:13:25,935 Brittney Sherman: Marjorie and. 238 00:13:27,285 --> 00:13:28,485 Uh, so, okay. 239 00:13:28,485 --> 00:13:29,745 This is a total sidebar. 240 00:13:30,105 --> 00:13:34,455 I don't know why, but I kept on remembering, uh, James Rodin's last 241 00:13:34,455 --> 00:13:38,625 name because I kept on calling it Rodin, which I'm pretty sure it 242 00:13:38,625 --> 00:13:40,545 was a name of a Godzilla Kaiju. 243 00:13:42,075 --> 00:13:43,455 Sonia Meza-Leon: That is exactly Britney. 244 00:13:43,455 --> 00:13:44,745 You are in the band. 245 00:13:45,215 --> 00:13:47,865 Brittney Sherman: And that's how I kept I that's how I remembered his last name, 246 00:13:47,895 --> 00:13:49,275 but clearly I forgot his first name. 247 00:13:49,695 --> 00:13:54,155 Sonia Meza-Leon: James it's spelled it is, but that's how I remember. 248 00:13:55,245 --> 00:13:56,405 Yeah, Nana for sharing. 249 00:13:56,685 --> 00:14:00,535 I think Rodin is, uh, the it's sounds like the French version of road. 250 00:14:00,535 --> 00:14:07,875 And, but, uh, the road 10 is the three headed monster and that's another one. 251 00:14:08,025 --> 00:14:08,265 There's 252 00:14:08,865 --> 00:14:10,905 Brittney Sherman: another one, 300 monsters and Godzilla. 253 00:14:11,985 --> 00:14:12,945 Sonia Meza-Leon: I'll send you a picture. 254 00:14:13,005 --> 00:14:13,425 Yeah. 255 00:14:13,425 --> 00:14:15,015 And I think that turtle has three heads. 256 00:14:15,015 --> 00:14:17,475 Do they had a lot of things that have had multiple heads. 257 00:14:17,475 --> 00:14:17,775 Yeah. 258 00:14:18,645 --> 00:14:19,665 I'll send you a picture of what I have. 259 00:14:19,665 --> 00:14:19,845 Yeah. 260 00:14:19,845 --> 00:14:20,475 Sorry guys. 261 00:14:20,805 --> 00:14:21,435 Any who? 262 00:14:21,585 --> 00:14:22,635 Back to the track. 263 00:14:22,995 --> 00:14:24,045 So bill roster. 264 00:14:24,990 --> 00:14:27,540 For some reason decides that he wants to share with police. 265 00:14:28,545 --> 00:14:31,155 You know, stop whatever he's doing with Marjorie. 266 00:14:31,155 --> 00:14:34,605 And he turns her in and, um, because not only does he show them where 267 00:14:34,605 --> 00:14:39,405 the body is, but he tells them who to ultimately murdered James Roden. 268 00:14:39,435 --> 00:14:41,145 And he says it's Marjorie. 269 00:14:41,475 --> 00:14:44,835 And it's pretty easy to see that someone murdered James. 270 00:14:45,555 --> 00:14:50,835 Because he didn't put himself in the freezer and the x-ray x-ray him and 271 00:14:50,835 --> 00:14:53,235 he's got shrapnel in his, uh, throat. 272 00:14:53,235 --> 00:14:57,195 So apparently someone decided to use a shotgun to shoot James Roden 273 00:14:57,455 --> 00:15:00,645 and then decided to either keep him on ice for whatever reason. 274 00:15:00,645 --> 00:15:01,635 We'll talk about that later. 275 00:15:02,025 --> 00:15:05,715 But, um, you know, this is where Billy on scene and Marjorie, um, 276 00:15:05,775 --> 00:15:07,605 you know, are obviously at odds. 277 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,479 You ask us, what would this have to do with the pizza bomber case? 278 00:15:12,510 --> 00:15:18,300 And we don't really realize until a little bit later in the docu-series 279 00:15:18,300 --> 00:15:24,599 that they actually do, because it appears that Marjorie and bill and, uh, 280 00:15:24,689 --> 00:15:30,900 uh, a couple of other folks conspired to, uh, and Marjorie will never admit 281 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:36,750 this, but conspired to do sort of do the pizza heist or the, the bank ice. 282 00:15:37,860 --> 00:15:45,330 It's so strange because you know, Marjorie's Marjorie deal arm from is 283 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:47,010 apparently a very intelligent person. 284 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:47,370 Yes. 285 00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:54,270 A person who was very manipulative is, um, she doesn't appear to be a nice person. 286 00:15:54,270 --> 00:16:00,660 So she, on, in her interviews on camera it's, she's not very likable and 287 00:16:00,690 --> 00:16:06,220 she, but loud, aggressive almost felt like she had Tourette's a little bit. 288 00:16:07,950 --> 00:16:10,500 Brittney Sherman: It's very, very clear. 289 00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:17,940 She has pretty significant mental illness and she is it's indicative 290 00:16:17,970 --> 00:16:24,480 and obvious that she is someone who needed help a long, long time ago. 291 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:30,900 And we will see that there was someone who really tried in earnest to get her help. 292 00:16:31,380 --> 00:16:32,130 And. 293 00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:40,290 Did everything right, but the system kind of just spit her back out. 294 00:16:41,460 --> 00:16:47,820 She is someone that she struggled because she genuinely was extremely intelligent. 295 00:16:48,380 --> 00:16:56,250 That's where the genius comes from, but very manipulative and, uh, dealt with a 296 00:16:56,250 --> 00:17:02,520 lot of, uh, contradicting mental health conditions that caused her to be quite. 297 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:05,460 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 298 00:17:05,490 --> 00:17:06,930 Yeah, she was very persuasive. 299 00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:08,420 Um, it's set. 300 00:17:08,420 --> 00:17:12,660 So really the center of the story is about, is really Marjorie deal Armstrong. 301 00:17:13,089 --> 00:17:19,619 Apparently she was the mastermind behind the whole thing and what's unknown. 302 00:17:19,710 --> 00:17:23,310 I mean, She was doing this for money because at one point I think 303 00:17:23,310 --> 00:17:24,990 she hired a Hitman to kill her dad. 304 00:17:25,260 --> 00:17:27,899 She was pissed off at him because he was giving away her inheritance. 305 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:33,330 And so she retaliated by trying to hire another one of these cast of yokels. 306 00:17:33,659 --> 00:17:37,200 Uh, Ken Barnes, her fishing, um, was my note. 307 00:17:37,230 --> 00:17:38,820 And he's like, yeah, sure. 308 00:17:38,820 --> 00:17:39,750 I'll kill your dad. 309 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:42,270 You know, he was said he was just bullshitting and she wasn't. 310 00:17:42,330 --> 00:17:43,669 He was like, of course I'm not. 311 00:17:43,950 --> 00:17:45,330 But, uh, she was really, 312 00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:49,470 Brittney Sherman: he was really serious is, uh, he, he was like a. 313 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:54,990 No local Erie, Pennsylvania. 314 00:17:56,730 --> 00:18:03,210 Drug dealer, like he was known around town in the seedy areas, uh, as being 315 00:18:03,210 --> 00:18:07,710 like the go to guy to get your fix. 316 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,950 And he was a major, major addict himself. 317 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:12,360 And at one point they'd go to his. 318 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:19,510 And it is straight out of hoarders, like a, with all of the worst part 319 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,709 of hoarders that you can imagine, not just the stuff, but the Fil, 320 00:18:24,159 --> 00:18:27,429 the grime, the rodents, the bugs. 321 00:18:27,969 --> 00:18:31,240 And it was, eh, it was just awful. 322 00:18:31,300 --> 00:18:36,699 And God bless anyone who trusted the drugs that they got from this. 323 00:18:38,730 --> 00:18:41,430 Sonia Meza-Leon: Well, that's, what's weird about it because I don't know, maybe 324 00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:45,450 it's the condition or whatever condition is, but you know, that hoarder condition, 325 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,970 bill Rothstein had the same thing. 326 00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:49,080 He and showed them around his house. 327 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:50,970 He had lived in the house for 55 years. 328 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,640 Like he probably didn't even see like the floor in someone's our 329 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,410 house for 50 something years. 330 00:18:55,410 --> 00:18:59,640 I mean, it was, and this is bill Rossi was a very intelligent man again. 331 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:04,320 Some of these people are anyway, are very intelligent, very manipulative, um, you 332 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,230 know, manipulated by Margarie apparently. 333 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:10,709 And, um, at some point, you know, in this documentary Dr. 334 00:19:10,709 --> 00:19:14,550 Series, his best friend is interviewed and he was like, I don't even know that. 335 00:19:16,195 --> 00:19:20,695 But what's weird about bill rusty, you know, because what we find is that, like 336 00:19:20,695 --> 00:19:26,995 you said, there's all this documentation, there is exhaustive letters, um, 337 00:19:27,025 --> 00:19:29,785 to the bank teller about the heist. 338 00:19:29,815 --> 00:19:33,025 Like who's going to S so I don't, there are a lot of things that 339 00:19:33,025 --> 00:19:34,375 are confusing about this to me. 340 00:19:34,705 --> 00:19:39,295 Um, I don't understand, I get it, that they were sending 341 00:19:39,295 --> 00:19:41,125 somebody on a wild goose chase. 342 00:19:41,605 --> 00:19:46,110 So when they write this giant letter to the bank, Are they 343 00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:50,400 expecting them to read it and it's would take time for them to know. 344 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:51,120 I thought that too. 345 00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:54,420 What's their point like who this is. 346 00:19:54,420 --> 00:19:57,900 You're like, you know, you're making a stand or whatever, but to who, like, 347 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,050 what do you think the bank teller is going to give a shit, you know, about 348 00:20:01,050 --> 00:20:03,990 your, why you're compelled to exactly. 349 00:20:04,380 --> 00:20:05,580 And it's weird. 350 00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:08,370 And then the here's what I also have a problem with. 351 00:20:08,370 --> 00:20:14,340 So the whole shenanigans with, you know, the game, the scavenger hunt, 352 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,540 the police did a test and it was a very, very simple test to do. 353 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:18,960 And the test. 354 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,540 How long would it take to go from point a through the points, the listed on the 355 00:20:24,540 --> 00:20:26,640 scavenger hunt to get to the end result. 356 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:33,330 And it was time that was more time than they had put on the timer on the bomb. 357 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,940 So Brian Wells would have never know. 358 00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:39,870 So if these people are robbing a bank, so here's where I'm like Marjorie deal, 359 00:20:39,870 --> 00:20:41,700 Armstrong KUKA Rue, for sure, because. 360 00:20:42,595 --> 00:20:44,745 You know, if she's trying to kill her dad because of the money. 361 00:20:44,745 --> 00:20:45,105 Right. 362 00:20:45,195 --> 00:20:47,565 And she many times will say in this next two years, I'm rich. 363 00:20:47,565 --> 00:20:48,885 Why would I need to do that? 364 00:20:49,155 --> 00:20:50,175 You know, she lies a lot. 365 00:20:51,015 --> 00:20:52,355 I mean, she can fix herself a lot. 366 00:20:52,365 --> 00:20:52,575 First. 367 00:20:52,575 --> 00:20:54,585 She says that she didn't kill her boyfriend. 368 00:20:54,585 --> 00:20:57,195 And then later on, she absolutely admits to it because they were 369 00:20:57,195 --> 00:20:58,545 arguing about another woman. 370 00:20:58,815 --> 00:21:01,875 And, but when you listen to both, you know, the, both of the 371 00:21:01,875 --> 00:21:04,455 interviews, it sounds exactly the same mean she's a great writer. 372 00:21:06,705 --> 00:21:09,135 I would have never thought she's, I mean, she's adamant, you know, I 373 00:21:09,135 --> 00:21:11,865 mean she's, and she's crazy too, but she's adamant that she didn't do. 374 00:21:11,865 --> 00:21:15,405 And then she's like, yeah, I did it, you know, and she was, she was proud of it. 375 00:21:16,620 --> 00:21:20,160 The part that's weird about the bill Rossi thing is again, a very intelligent man. 376 00:21:20,460 --> 00:21:24,510 It sounds to me like it's fairly, we're fairly confident that bill 377 00:21:24,510 --> 00:21:29,580 wrote the scavenger hunt letters and also the letter to the bank teller, 378 00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:31,860 um, you know, sort of this manifesto. 379 00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:32,250 Right. 380 00:21:32,550 --> 00:21:37,560 But, um, if Marjorie's the one who masterminded this for money, if anybody 381 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,030 masterminded it for me, And they didn't give this guy enough time to 382 00:21:42,030 --> 00:21:44,040 fulfill it before they blew him up. 383 00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:44,340 I'm 384 00:21:44,340 --> 00:21:44,520 Brittney Sherman: not sure. 385 00:21:45,210 --> 00:21:45,420 Yeah. 386 00:21:45,450 --> 00:21:47,610 I don't really know what the point was. 387 00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:48,180 Either. 388 00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:54,360 The scavenger hunt starts with a Wells. 389 00:21:55,690 --> 00:22:00,760 You delivering a pizza per se, we're going to assume that because 390 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,000 that's ultimately, I think what is kinda sorta decided happen. 391 00:22:04,419 --> 00:22:12,040 Uh, and then to, to Marjorie Armstrong, he is confronted by four people, 392 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:15,970 Marjorie bill, and then two other guys. 393 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,865 Um, the one we just talked about, uh, Ken burns, Ken Barnes, and 394 00:22:20,865 --> 00:22:23,265 then one other guy who was he? 395 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:30,345 A convicted sex offender who was living with a bill, but so 396 00:22:31,185 --> 00:22:34,095 essentially he just went along for the ride because he was living there. 397 00:22:34,425 --> 00:22:35,085 Um, essentially. 398 00:22:35,705 --> 00:22:37,355 Sonia Meza-Leon: But that's, what's weird about it. 399 00:22:37,355 --> 00:22:39,335 Like why like, are they going to split it out? 400 00:22:39,755 --> 00:22:40,025 Brittney Sherman: Yeah. 401 00:22:40,085 --> 00:22:44,015 Well, that's what I mean, but so essentially, so Wells leaves, he 402 00:22:44,015 --> 00:22:47,645 goes to the bank, then they follow him and they have stakeout points. 403 00:22:47,855 --> 00:22:53,585 So I'm wondering if they had no intention of him finishing the scavenger hunt 404 00:22:53,975 --> 00:22:58,675 and they were essentially just going to corner him, take the money and then let. 405 00:22:59,534 --> 00:23:00,645 Die with the bomb, 406 00:23:01,125 --> 00:23:03,375 Sonia Meza-Leon: but why go to the trouble of writing out the scavenger hunt? 407 00:23:03,405 --> 00:23:05,985 And I think they found the pieces that the scavenger hunt was 408 00:23:05,985 --> 00:23:07,365 supposed to lead them to as well. 409 00:23:07,365 --> 00:23:08,745 Didn't they did. 410 00:23:08,745 --> 00:23:09,735 Brittney Sherman: Yeah, that's true. 411 00:23:09,825 --> 00:23:10,455 I agree. 412 00:23:10,544 --> 00:23:15,705 But Wheeler, but you're so you're dealing with mentally unstable 413 00:23:15,705 --> 00:23:21,105 people, particularly Marjorie, because, so not just James Rodin. 414 00:23:21,284 --> 00:23:22,274 Did she kill. 415 00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:30,330 She had two previous boyfriends that wound up dead one. 416 00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:37,260 She went to trial for his murder and was ultimately found not guilty, but 417 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:43,770 her defense attorney in that trial tried and tried and tried to get her 418 00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:49,675 committed to a mental facility because as a psychiatric facility, Because he knew 419 00:23:49,765 --> 00:23:52,255 she was not right and she needed help. 420 00:23:52,525 --> 00:23:56,935 And I think she spent like 10 days in a psychiatric facility, but ultimately 421 00:23:56,935 --> 00:23:59,515 was determined not to be severe enough. 422 00:23:59,665 --> 00:24:01,945 So it was spit back out into society. 423 00:24:02,125 --> 00:24:05,485 And he's interviewed later on in the series towards the end 424 00:24:05,905 --> 00:24:07,975 and essentially says, I knew. 425 00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:14,340 20 years ago, or whenever it was when I defended her, this woman was 426 00:24:14,460 --> 00:24:18,840 violent and dangerous and had a mental health condition and needed help, 427 00:24:19,410 --> 00:24:21,120 but they just didn't believe me. 428 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,530 And didn't find her severe enough. 429 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,820 And now look where we're at. 430 00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:26,220 Sonia Meza-Leon: I think that happens a lot. 431 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:28,080 I mean, yeah, we 432 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,020 Brittney Sherman: hear about that frequently way more often than not. 433 00:24:31,814 --> 00:24:32,324 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yep. 434 00:24:32,504 --> 00:24:36,375 So, I mean, that's, that's pretty much the, the short of it. 435 00:24:36,375 --> 00:24:40,485 I mean, there are a lot of meanderings in the docu-series there's a lot of 436 00:24:40,485 --> 00:24:42,735 video of her yelling and talking. 437 00:24:43,710 --> 00:24:48,300 Trying to compel somebody to do something for, I don't even know sometimes 438 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:51,420 Brittney Sherman: what the, and that's the, that's kinda the, 439 00:24:51,420 --> 00:24:55,860 the, the thing about this year is that it's, it's worth a watch. 440 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,740 But when you said, like, it's one of our favorites, I can't say it's one of my 441 00:24:58,740 --> 00:25:01,260 favorites because it's, it's compelling. 442 00:25:01,860 --> 00:25:03,120 It's interesting. 443 00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:08,910 The first episode is really interesting in it's all about the bombing. 444 00:25:09,445 --> 00:25:14,875 And then it ends on this huge cliffhanger of bill Rothstein calling 445 00:25:14,875 --> 00:25:18,115 the police like, whoa, what does this have anything to do with it? 446 00:25:18,355 --> 00:25:22,315 And then episode two is all about Marjorie, even though I fell asleep. 447 00:25:23,129 --> 00:25:24,179 Second viewing of it. 448 00:25:24,689 --> 00:25:31,199 It's all about her and like her previous mysterious boyfriend deaths and the one 449 00:25:31,199 --> 00:25:39,570 that, uh, she killed, possibly killed, uh, because she wanted him to, uh, murder her 450 00:25:39,570 --> 00:25:44,370 father so she could get his inheritance, even though he wrote her out of his will. 451 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:50,639 Uh, and then episode three and four is kind of just. 452 00:25:51,555 --> 00:25:58,395 Marjorie, just kind of ranting and raving and other people that she 453 00:25:58,725 --> 00:26:03,195 shared cells with and other people that these other guys shared prison 454 00:26:03,195 --> 00:26:06,975 cells with being interviewed and saying, yeah, this is what they said. 455 00:26:06,975 --> 00:26:09,015 And these are the letters we wrote, but it doesn't really 456 00:26:09,015 --> 00:26:10,754 introduce any new information. 457 00:26:11,205 --> 00:26:13,065 Uh, no, it doesn't. 458 00:26:13,095 --> 00:26:13,335 It. 459 00:26:14,445 --> 00:26:16,725 Sonia Meza-Leon: I mean, but I mean, for the, for the first time 460 00:26:16,725 --> 00:26:17,835 I watched it, I really like it. 461 00:26:17,835 --> 00:26:21,375 So I would say, take Alyssa, take a, listen, take a look. 462 00:26:22,245 --> 00:26:24,915 I mean, do you want to share what the outcome is or, 463 00:26:25,545 --> 00:26:28,995 Brittney Sherman: well, yeah, because I think honestly the, I don't want 464 00:26:28,995 --> 00:26:30,435 to negate the last two episodes. 465 00:26:30,465 --> 00:26:33,255 There's only, it's only four episodes, so it's a pretty quick watch. 466 00:26:33,645 --> 00:26:34,995 Um, but the. 467 00:26:35,715 --> 00:26:39,405 The most compelling part of the fourth episode is trying to 468 00:26:39,405 --> 00:26:45,915 identify whether or not Wells is what was party to the initial plot. 469 00:26:46,274 --> 00:26:51,645 And I think officially criminally, he was neither, even though he was 470 00:26:51,645 --> 00:26:53,475 dead, he was neither posthumously. 471 00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:57,610 Accused nor acquitted of being involved. 472 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,680 There wasn't enough evidence one way or the other. 473 00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:08,140 Uh, and his family is very vocal in court, just yelling at the, the judge when he 474 00:27:08,140 --> 00:27:10,810 suggests that he may have been involved. 475 00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:12,160 And so. 476 00:27:14,150 --> 00:27:14,300 Yeah. 477 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:20,510 On one hand, just before the show wraps, it seems pretty conclusive 478 00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:24,200 that he was not party to the crime. 479 00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:28,550 He showed up to deliver a pizza as part of his job. 480 00:27:29,030 --> 00:27:34,490 And he was conned into essentially, he was, he was 481 00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:38,690 forced into wearing this bomb and. 482 00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:44,130 Going on this scavenger hunt, uh, earlier they talk about how he was involved in 483 00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:48,330 the planning that seem to be negated. 484 00:27:48,990 --> 00:27:53,820 However, one of the very last things that they talk about in this 485 00:27:53,820 --> 00:28:02,970 series is there's a woman who is an eerie PA prostitute, who was a. 486 00:28:04,050 --> 00:28:08,310 Frequent welds was a frequent client of hers. 487 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:12,510 Uh, and they became actually like really good friends. 488 00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:19,680 Like they genuinely hung out and she would get groceries for his elderly parents. 489 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,270 Um, and then she became pregnant right around the time that he died 490 00:28:24,270 --> 00:28:33,570 and she thinks he's the father, but he, uh, Again, what the heck's 491 00:28:33,570 --> 00:28:34,830 the drug dealers name again? 492 00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:36,030 I'm so terrible with this. 493 00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:37,320 His name's Ken barns. 494 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:38,940 Here's how 495 00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:40,140 Sonia Meza-Leon: they sort of, I understood. 496 00:28:40,140 --> 00:28:40,920 They knew each other. 497 00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:43,770 Jessica, so-and-so the prostitute. 498 00:28:44,774 --> 00:28:47,415 Was getting drugs from Ken Barnes. 499 00:28:48,135 --> 00:28:52,695 So she would essentially come in Ken and I, if I'm not mistaken, Brian Wells 500 00:28:52,695 --> 00:28:55,245 lived or hung out with Ken Barnes too. 501 00:28:55,514 --> 00:28:57,435 So she would hook up with Brian Wells. 502 00:28:57,435 --> 00:28:59,205 They would have sex upstairs. 503 00:28:59,415 --> 00:29:02,155 She would take that money and go downstairs to Ken Barnes and get 504 00:29:02,155 --> 00:29:04,365 drugs, and then she would do them. 505 00:29:04,514 --> 00:29:04,754 Yeah. 506 00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:10,875 So what I understood happened was that at some point, Marjorie 507 00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:12,435 and maybe bill who knows. 508 00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:20,580 Came over to Ken Barnes house and said, we need some idiot to, you know, 509 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,959 sort of be the person who's going to go to the bank for us at the time 510 00:29:24,959 --> 00:29:26,489 Jessica was there and she heard her. 511 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:30,630 It appears that Jessica May have been the person that suggested 512 00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:31,880 Brian Wells, which he says 513 00:29:32,610 --> 00:29:33,570 Brittney Sherman: great regret 514 00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:34,020 Sonia Meza-Leon: for. 515 00:29:34,410 --> 00:29:38,790 So when Brian Wells came up with, so they essentially ordered a pizza and 516 00:29:38,790 --> 00:29:42,060 they, then they took the pizza guy and kind of held them hostage and threw 517 00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:43,470 a bomb on him and made him go do it. 518 00:29:44,685 --> 00:29:46,545 I think they were familiar with each other. 519 00:29:46,605 --> 00:29:50,445 Brian Wells obviously knew Ken Barnes, Ken Barnes was warned was there. 520 00:29:50,655 --> 00:29:54,405 So there was some familiarity when you drove up with a pizza, 521 00:29:54,585 --> 00:29:58,245 which by the way, it was like really close to bill Rossi towels. 522 00:29:58,605 --> 00:30:00,465 He had to have seen Ken Barnes. 523 00:30:00,555 --> 00:30:01,305 He knew him. 524 00:30:01,305 --> 00:30:01,635 Right. 525 00:30:01,665 --> 00:30:03,254 So he's got to feel some comfort. 526 00:30:03,525 --> 00:30:06,105 Brittney Sherman: I mean, I think this was a, it was like a pretty small town 527 00:30:06,105 --> 00:30:07,845 in, especially like this neighborhood. 528 00:30:07,845 --> 00:30:10,635 It was like the type of neighborhood where everyone knows each other. 529 00:30:10,665 --> 00:30:12,705 So I don't think any of these guys were stranger. 530 00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:14,520 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah, exactly. 531 00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:17,850 So I think when Brian walked up with the pizza, if I, I understood 532 00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:20,550 they had a slice of pizza and then they kind of ambushed him. 533 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,920 But I think that they told them all along. 534 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,310 It wasn't real because if they would, he would add any inclination 535 00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:27,720 that that bomb was going to go off. 536 00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:30,360 His, his actions would have been very different, 537 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,540 Brittney Sherman: I would think so, but they did see or 538 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,620 Sonia Meza-Leon: drive to the police. 539 00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:39,030 So if I, if I, I would never get in a car with, uh, something that, that may 540 00:30:39,030 --> 00:30:42,090 or may not be a bomb and drive and go do what they said, I would try that. 541 00:30:43,815 --> 00:30:46,755 Brittney Sherman: But I think they did say that he did have a certain level of 542 00:30:46,755 --> 00:30:52,125 cognitive impairment and may not have, he may have known, but may not have wanted 543 00:30:52,125 --> 00:30:55,185 to question them and may have believed that if he just went along with their 544 00:30:55,185 --> 00:30:57,015 plan, everything would have been okay. 545 00:30:57,885 --> 00:30:58,935 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah, no, for sure. 546 00:30:58,965 --> 00:31:01,605 And I'm not sure when, I mean it, did they give him the paperwork 547 00:31:01,605 --> 00:31:04,185 and say here's the scavenger hunt and was the first stop the bank. 548 00:31:04,425 --> 00:31:04,785 And that's what. 549 00:31:06,375 --> 00:31:08,475 Oh, so maybe it was just a game all along. 550 00:31:08,505 --> 00:31:09,585 It's just really strange. 551 00:31:09,705 --> 00:31:10,575 Cause he's on guys. 552 00:31:10,575 --> 00:31:11,415 He's on video, man. 553 00:31:11,415 --> 00:31:16,875 He's like, they're looking straight in you in camera saying, you know, guys, 554 00:31:17,085 --> 00:31:19,245 guys, I think something's happening here. 555 00:31:20,085 --> 00:31:22,155 And it's like, and then all that. 556 00:31:22,215 --> 00:31:24,945 I mean, he, I really felt like he never his face. 557 00:31:25,545 --> 00:31:29,475 He never had until the very second where that thing blew up, he really 558 00:31:29,475 --> 00:31:31,095 had any idea it was going to blow up. 559 00:31:31,125 --> 00:31:32,055 Yeah, 560 00:31:32,085 --> 00:31:33,135 Brittney Sherman: I agree. 561 00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:34,295 I think he knew that. 562 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,510 I think towards the end, he knew this was a real bomb, but I don't know if 563 00:31:39,510 --> 00:31:42,540 he knew that it was like imminent. 564 00:31:43,770 --> 00:31:44,370 Sonia Meza-Leon: Alrighty. 565 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,670 Well, Scarlett is, that was a pretty short little episode. 566 00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:51,540 I have a couple of shout outs I want to do so, uh, maybe we'll keep going. 567 00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:51,810 Okay. 568 00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:53,460 All right. 569 00:31:53,490 --> 00:31:57,629 I want to do a couple shout outs to some new friends that I've made recently. 570 00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:00,120 I want to give a shout out to music city 9 1 1. 571 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,310 Brandon Hall is the host and he has a periodic co-host as well. 572 00:32:05,550 --> 00:32:08,550 He is a nine 11 dispatcher in Nashville, Tennessee. 573 00:32:09,315 --> 00:32:12,945 And I would just love to sort of tell you guys to take a listen. 574 00:32:12,975 --> 00:32:15,885 I, so he's a real nine 11 operator. 575 00:32:15,885 --> 00:32:20,355 So the stories that he had, obviously perplexing and really 576 00:32:20,355 --> 00:32:21,465 entertaining in my opinion. 577 00:32:21,465 --> 00:32:22,665 And he's just a real nice guy. 578 00:32:22,695 --> 00:32:24,675 And his voice is really, really lovely. 579 00:32:24,675 --> 00:32:29,145 So highly suggest those guys give them a shout out and we have a promo 580 00:32:29,145 --> 00:32:30,495 for them at the end of our episode. 581 00:32:30,495 --> 00:32:33,375 So you guys can take a listen, get a little familiar with them. 582 00:32:33,825 --> 00:32:36,135 And then I also want to give a shout out to my group. 583 00:32:36,709 --> 00:32:37,939 Katelyn Dowdy. 584 00:32:38,179 --> 00:32:44,840 Now she doesn't know she's mine, but I tell her right now, um, I, she does a 585 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,659 YouTube series called a mortician and. 586 00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:51,449 I'm not sure if I counted corpse as part of asking mortician or it's a 587 00:32:51,449 --> 00:32:55,889 separate sort of, you know, thinks she does, but she's a mortician. 588 00:32:56,179 --> 00:33:00,600 I think she lives in LA and she's got her own funeral home with a partner. 589 00:33:00,959 --> 00:33:04,739 And, um, I find her to be really, really, really fascinating. 590 00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:08,189 And I know it sounds really gruesome, but there are questions that I have a. 591 00:33:08,925 --> 00:33:15,045 That stuff that I've always wanted to ask and her YouTube videos are so informative 592 00:33:15,075 --> 00:33:19,605 and she's got a huge following, but, um, I really, I really find her interesting, 593 00:33:19,605 --> 00:33:25,395 like the other day I will readily admit I watched a video that she did about how 594 00:33:25,395 --> 00:33:29,595 they keep your mouth shut when you're, um, you know, being prepared for reviewing. 595 00:33:29,955 --> 00:33:32,715 And, um, it was, I know that's really gruesome and crazy, 596 00:33:32,715 --> 00:33:33,975 but it was really interesting. 597 00:33:33,975 --> 00:33:35,055 So I am, 598 00:33:36,465 --> 00:33:37,695 Brittney Sherman: I'm not going to tell you, you have to watch it. 599 00:33:37,695 --> 00:33:37,935 I can't. 600 00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:40,020 That was the proper answer. 601 00:33:40,590 --> 00:33:40,950 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 602 00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:42,630 Just watch it, please watch it. 603 00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:43,710 But she's really awesome. 604 00:33:43,890 --> 00:33:48,150 I'm hoping Brittany, since she's in LA and we're in LA, that we could at some 605 00:33:48,150 --> 00:33:53,310 point do a little interview and meet each other because yeah, she's really cool. 606 00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:56,310 And I love her observations and she's just really informative. 607 00:33:56,310 --> 00:34:01,890 So yeah, you Caitlyn Dowdy and iconic corpse and ask mortician, check her out. 608 00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:04,139 Brittney Sherman: All right. 609 00:34:04,139 --> 00:34:05,820 It's Carlitos as always. 610 00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:07,169 Thanks for checking this out. 611 00:34:07,530 --> 00:34:12,029 Um, I think you're going to be hearing some more promos from us in the future. 612 00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:16,049 We are really enjoying, connecting with other independent podcasters 613 00:34:16,049 --> 00:34:17,100 and supporting one another. 614 00:34:17,545 --> 00:34:24,175 So if you have suggestions or are interested in being promoted on Scarlet 615 00:34:24,175 --> 00:34:29,215 TCP and would like to do a promo swap, we would love to hear from you, uh, hit 616 00:34:29,215 --> 00:34:36,355 us up on social media, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and listen to us on every 617 00:34:36,355 --> 00:34:39,115 platform where podcasts are available. 618 00:34:39,805 --> 00:34:40,705 Sonya, anything else? 619 00:34:42,284 --> 00:34:44,384 Sonia Meza-Leon: No, this has been very enjoyable. 620 00:34:44,685 --> 00:34:48,255 Hi, you guys, our audience, I have to give them credit. 621 00:34:48,255 --> 00:34:50,745 They I've been hearing some wonderful things from people lately, 622 00:34:50,764 --> 00:34:54,195 so we really appreciate all your support, so, uh, keep killing it. 623 00:34:54,195 --> 00:34:55,125 Scarlet owes. 624 00:34:55,905 --> 00:34:56,505 Brittney Sherman: All right. 625 00:34:56,505 --> 00:34:56,925 Thank you. 626 00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:09,040 Sonia Meza-Leon: Hey, y'all I'm Brandon Hall. 627 00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:12,760 I'm one of the hosts of music city, nine 11, a podcast about the good, 628 00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:15,700 the bad, and the dark side of nine 11. 629 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:18,940 Dispatching me and my co-hosts are 9 1 1 dispatchers. 630 00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:24,220 With over 60 years of experience, join us as we play 9 1 1 calls and discuss. 631 00:35:25,455 --> 00:35:30,255 Oh, did I mention that we get dark nine 11? 632 00:35:30,315 --> 00:35:31,395 What's your emergency? 633 00:36:04,205 --> 00:36:08,765 you can find us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at music city nominal one. 634 00:36:08,825 --> 00:36:11,134 And we're downloadable on every podcast platform.