1 00:00:00,263 --> 00:00:02,903 Amin Ahmed: Hello, and welcome to the Be Well, Do Well podcast. 2 00:00:02,963 --> 00:00:07,223 Today is a bonus episode where I'm excited to have a conversation with a dear friend of mine. 3 00:00:07,613 --> 00:00:10,373 He's a remarkable entrepreneur with an amazing story. 4 00:00:10,733 --> 00:00:16,133 Since 2011, Sunny Ray has been making waves in the Bitcoin and cryptocurrency industry. 5 00:00:16,463 --> 00:00:23,933 He's a co-founder of Unocoin, India's trusted Bitcoin and crypto trading platform, an engineer and an overall awesome guy. 6 00:00:24,088 --> 00:00:25,498 Sunny, welcome to the show. 7 00:00:27,303 --> 00:00:28,433 Sunny Ray: It's nice to be here. 8 00:00:28,433 --> 00:00:34,373 You forgot to mention that I'm also a male model , thanks to your exercise tips. 9 00:00:34,373 --> 00:00:35,003 Remember that? 10 00:00:35,663 --> 00:00:38,133 Amin Ahmed: Male model, amateur body builder. 11 00:00:39,393 --> 00:00:40,053 So that's awesome. 12 00:00:40,058 --> 00:00:41,318 Let me put some context here. 13 00:00:41,348 --> 00:00:45,458 So Sonny and I have known each other for a long time, like since high school. 14 00:00:45,508 --> 00:00:50,388 Do you remember the first day of high school, Sunny, when we were sitting in class and, this was Mr. 15 00:00:50,388 --> 00:00:51,318 Smike's class. 16 00:00:51,348 --> 00:00:53,148 I dunno if you remember specifically, but it was Mr. 17 00:00:53,148 --> 00:00:56,808 Smike's class and I remember all the new kids who were sitting there in grade 10. 18 00:00:56,918 --> 00:00:57,788 Sunny Ray: Are we talking math? 19 00:00:58,058 --> 00:00:58,748 Amin Ahmed: I think so. 20 00:00:58,808 --> 00:00:59,928 I think it might have been math. 21 00:00:59,948 --> 00:01:00,878 Sunny Ray: Was he the crazy guy? 22 00:01:01,118 --> 00:01:01,748 I'm trying to remember. 23 00:01:02,863 --> 00:01:03,793 I remember you. 24 00:01:04,273 --> 00:01:06,193 That's my only real memory of high school 25 00:01:08,053 --> 00:01:08,623 . Amin Ahmed: That's awesome. 26 00:01:08,673 --> 00:01:15,573 We were sitting there and then the teacher asked us to get up and go to the next room, and so I hadn't really talked to anybody and my goal was to make friends. 27 00:01:15,578 --> 00:01:26,588 I just came from junior high where I was fun had my circle, and now all of a sudden I'm taking id, and I'm around all these nerdy kids and I was like alright there's a guy, East Indian, who looks like a nice guy. 28 00:01:26,588 --> 00:01:28,658 So I just went up to him and I was like, hey, my name is Amin. 29 00:01:28,658 --> 00:01:30,158 And you're like, my name is Sunny. 30 00:01:30,608 --> 00:01:31,388 And that was kind of it. 31 00:01:31,398 --> 00:01:37,248 We became friends and from there we went through high school together, went to university together. 32 00:01:37,248 --> 00:01:40,358 But you and I both studied engineering. 33 00:01:40,758 --> 00:01:42,558 But we went in much different directions. 34 00:01:42,558 --> 00:01:47,658 I kind of went into the oil and gas side and then eventually started remarkable branding, our marketing agency. 35 00:01:48,048 --> 00:01:52,248 You went towards renewable and robotics and crypto. 36 00:01:52,248 --> 00:01:57,748 So tell me a little bit about what happened after engineering and what your current role is now. 37 00:01:58,740 --> 00:01:59,190 Sunny Ray: Cool. 38 00:01:59,190 --> 00:02:01,080 I mean, we'll just go backwards from there. 39 00:02:01,620 --> 00:02:09,720 I'm currently the co-founder and president of Unocoin, which is India's first and foremost Bitcoin and crypto trading platform. 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,920 We launched in December 2013. 41 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,060 We have a couple million users and it's kind of been an interesting journey. 42 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:33,905 I obviously grew up in Alberta, like you, my first few summer jobs in co-op jobs were in the oil field, so sync crude working at companies like cosign, and eventually working in the actual inform McMurray and the oil sands. 43 00:02:34,335 --> 00:02:41,550 I realized early on that number one, I probably didn't wanna devote my career to the oil and gas industry. 44 00:02:42,090 --> 00:02:50,775 I wanted to do something a bit more futuristic, innovative, something that hasn't been already figured out, so I switched halfway through. 45 00:02:50,775 --> 00:02:57,875 I did my last two years at the University of Toronto with the hope to see what's out there and not get kind of pigeonholed into that one industry. 46 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,430 I felt like if I was gonna live in Alberta, that would be my destiny. 47 00:03:01,430 --> 00:03:05,675 Upon going to U of T my first co-op was with Xerox. 48 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:07,590 , like the Xerox research in the center of Canada. 49 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:18,925 And I think a lot of people know about the stories of Steve Jobs and how he visited Xerox and found the mouse and I think early versions of the interface that Mac kind of adopted and all that. 50 00:03:18,925 --> 00:03:22,465 So Xerox was known to a lot of people as an innovative place. 51 00:03:22,465 --> 00:03:33,545 I remember I used to have lunch with people there, and it would be really different because all of a sudden it's like, Oh, this guy said he was on jeopardy last week, and this guy's a PhD working on crazy stuff. 52 00:03:33,545 --> 00:03:35,015 That was my first exposure. 53 00:03:35,015 --> 00:03:40,415 Like wow there's a lot going on in the world that was way beyond what I even imagined. 54 00:03:41,410 --> 00:03:50,000 After I graduated I thought, if I want to get a job, then most likely a company that's growing really fast will have the money to hire me. 55 00:03:50,050 --> 00:03:58,385 There's a magazine called a hundred fastest growing companies in Canada and the number one fastest growing company at the time was a company called Hydrogenics. 56 00:03:58,405 --> 00:04:02,365 It was a hydrogen fuel cell company and I was like, sure why not? 57 00:04:02,365 --> 00:04:05,365 I reached out to them and long story short, I ended up getting a job with them. 58 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:09,475 And I thought, this is kind of the antithesis of oil and gas, so we'll run with it. 59 00:04:10,115 --> 00:04:12,635 Upon getting into that job, I realized a couple things. 60 00:04:12,635 --> 00:04:21,125 Number one that, I probably wasn't destined to be an actual engineer cause I didn't seem that passionate or great at it. 61 00:04:21,995 --> 00:04:36,560 I also remember reading an article in Forbes way back 20 years ago, about how engineers in India would cost a quarter, maybe a 10th in terms of what engineers in Canada or United States would be paid. 62 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:39,360 That I remember had a big impact on my psyche. 63 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,140 I was like, what? 64 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,740 Oh, okay so there's this crazy kind of arbitrage opportunity. 65 00:04:44,230 --> 00:04:46,195 I started realizing that I wanted to be more. 66 00:04:46,205 --> 00:04:58,865 I started facing reality and realized that money was just really, really insanely complicated subject, and it was something that I just couldn't get my head around. 67 00:04:58,865 --> 00:05:00,455 You and I, we went to engineering, right? 68 00:05:00,455 --> 00:05:14,995 So it was like we would always learn things really deeply in engineering and you'd always have a very logical, kind of scientific, backing for why things are like Maxwell's equations and like electrons and protons and ones and zeros. 69 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:21,640 And so when I applied that kind of level of thought and rigor to the concept of money, I was like what's going on? 70 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:34,345 And I remember clearly the feeling in my first few months of work where after you pay your student loans and your car payments, you're going out with your friends, paying for your rent; there would always be more month than money. 71 00:05:34,655 --> 00:05:43,090 Money kind of felt a lot like this asthma thing When you have oxygen, you don't even think about it but when you don't, it's like the only thing you can think of. 72 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:45,930 So back then I started really taking this concept. 73 00:05:45,930 --> 00:05:47,130 I was like what is money? 74 00:05:47,220 --> 00:05:48,390 Where does it come from? 75 00:05:48,445 --> 00:05:49,435 Who invented it? 76 00:05:49,435 --> 00:05:55,255 My kind of aha moment was like, Oh, wait, so if I wanna learn about this money thing, I'll become a financial advisor. 77 00:05:55,310 --> 00:06:15,385 While working as an engineer in my evenings and weekends, I essentially became a financial advisor, started a brokerage, started helping families, and probably did that for a couple of years and then full-time and then realized I started all this to understand money, but I don't feel like I understand it any better than I did at the beginning of this journey. 78 00:06:15,385 --> 00:06:17,755 In fact, I think I understand it less. 79 00:06:17,755 --> 00:06:20,660 I have all these licenses and I'm helping people. 80 00:06:20,715 --> 00:06:23,050 But when I ask the people around me , what is money? 81 00:06:23,050 --> 00:06:30,395 Nobody can give me an actual scientific kind of mathematical or can never articulate what it actually is or where it came from. 82 00:06:30,955 --> 00:06:32,545 So I ended up leaving that space. 83 00:06:32,545 --> 00:06:40,505 Around that time I discovered Rich Dad, Poor Dad; and I ended up realizing, I wanted to be a business owner, but I felt like I wasn't ready yet. 84 00:06:40,505 --> 00:06:51,275 So I thought, okay, well if I'm gonna go back into having a job, I'd rather have a job that's not just programming, but more like business related and more on the business side of things. 85 00:06:51,275 --> 00:06:53,665 Ended up getting a job with a company called Kwanza. 86 00:06:53,695 --> 00:07:10,260 I spent the better part of my career, maybe 10 years there, essentially selling robots to all the major robotics labs around the world, including U of A, U of T, MIT, Georgia Tech, Stanford, IIT Los Angeles. 87 00:07:10,310 --> 00:07:13,720 I literally was like a glorified robotic salesman. 88 00:07:13,725 --> 00:07:25,355 I sell a quarter million dollar really awesome, sophisticated robots, like five degree or freedom robotic arms that could do surgery across the ocean and transmit touch. 89 00:07:25,355 --> 00:07:35,505 Let's say I'm a surgeon doing the surgery on you and you're in Edmonton, I'm in Bangalore, I could technically feel what the robot was feeling as it was cutting into your body. 90 00:07:35,505 --> 00:07:36,880 Just really interesting stuff. 91 00:07:36,910 --> 00:07:46,940 Fast forward into where I am today and then around 2011 I was living in India on behalf of that robotics company, helping them expand out to India and that's when I discovered Bitcoin. 92 00:07:46,990 --> 00:07:56,110 I read the white paper and I think it was a combination of engineering background with my kind of interest in wanting to understand money and pursuing that. 93 00:07:56,140 --> 00:08:01,750 The internet came and went; PDAs and smartphones had opportunity came and went. 94 00:08:01,750 --> 00:08:09,725 I'd seen all these waves that were just coming and going, and by the time Bitcoin hit me I was like, Holy shit. 95 00:08:09,725 --> 00:08:12,335 There's no way I'm letting this opportunity passing by. 96 00:08:12,335 --> 00:08:16,715 I just grabbed it by the horn and started doing Bitcoin meetups in Bangalore. 97 00:08:16,815 --> 00:08:27,845 I'm a big fan of meetups and getting people together and just through doing meetups over and over again, I met Sathvik and Harish one of my co-founders; at no point we've essentially been working on Unocoin. 98 00:08:27,865 --> 00:08:29,385 It's been almost 10 years now. 99 00:08:29,435 --> 00:08:30,185 Amin Ahmed: That's really cool. 100 00:08:30,395 --> 00:08:34,860 I love listening to how you start with one thing and then it sends you to something new. 101 00:08:34,860 --> 00:08:42,700 These synchronicities happen all over life and it's fascinating to hear how as an engineer, you ended up becoming a business owner. 102 00:08:42,705 --> 00:08:44,380 Now you mentioned Jeremiah. 103 00:08:44,380 --> 00:08:46,420 I think he eventually became a police officer. 104 00:08:46,630 --> 00:08:48,050 I dunno. Yeah. 105 00:08:48,050 --> 00:08:50,600 He did his PhD and then he became a police officer. 106 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:54,110 So everybody has this own journey and everybody goes into different things. 107 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:02,130 If you were to think about how you structure your day so that you're actually motivated to do the thing that you need to do, maybe not want to do. 108 00:09:02,430 --> 00:09:04,620 Do you have some kind of routine that you follow? 109 00:09:04,620 --> 00:09:06,090 Like do you get up at a certain time? 110 00:09:06,090 --> 00:09:07,110 Do you exercise? 111 00:09:07,410 --> 00:09:09,750 What's your wellness routine look like if you even have one? 112 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,980 Sunny Ray: I have a thing called My Habit Tracker. 113 00:09:13,590 --> 00:09:18,240 For example, I have wake up early, if I go like this, it's got a little mini celebration. 114 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,450 Let's see, what do I got in my habit tracker? 115 00:09:20,470 --> 00:09:32,575 Wake up early, sleep six hours, drink water, read, back exercises, yoga, weight lifting, breathing exercises, saunas, steam room, meditate, shower, be grateful, goals. 116 00:09:32,945 --> 00:09:34,545 I do all these things in this order. 117 00:09:34,565 --> 00:09:46,260 I wake up first thing and I open this habit tracker and I just do all these things from four in the morning; coffee, go for a walk, write journal, zero inbox, deep work, green tea. 118 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:53,845 If I do those things, I'm almost guaranteed to have an awesome day and then I add things and take things out based on that. 119 00:09:54,185 --> 00:09:58,265 You asked the question how do I stay motivated? 120 00:09:58,270 --> 00:09:59,710 There's two different words. 121 00:09:59,710 --> 00:10:02,470 There's motivation and then there's inspiration, right? 122 00:10:02,500 --> 00:10:06,560 Motivation to me is more like taking a warm bath. 123 00:10:06,615 --> 00:10:11,345 It's great when you're in it, but then when you're out of it, it's not really there. 124 00:10:11,395 --> 00:10:18,065 In my case, it's more important to be doing things that I'm deeply inspired by and things that are greater than me. 125 00:10:18,065 --> 00:10:22,325 The truth is that not every day is the day that you feel like working. 126 00:10:22,325 --> 00:10:41,600 Sometimes I consider myself lucky because before I got into Bitcoin, there was a period of time when I was still in the robotic space and I remember the first five years I was kind of like meh, and then in the second five years I felt like I was on top of it and it was all because this one girl said to me. 127 00:10:41,830 --> 00:10:45,410 She said, love what you do until you do what you love. 128 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:50,380 Stop waiting until the day that something's gonna come into your life and you're gonna love it. 129 00:10:50,380 --> 00:10:54,320 The only way you're gonna find that is if you just love what you do today. 130 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,465 While I was working in the robotic space, I discovered Bitcoin. 131 00:10:57,465 --> 00:11:01,335 And Bitcoin literally was the thing I was infatuated with. 132 00:11:01,455 --> 00:11:02,895 and still am to this day. 133 00:11:02,895 --> 00:11:05,085 I just find it so interesting and fascinating. 134 00:11:06,150 --> 00:11:15,095 Now that I manifested my dream as my job, it's not that hard to motivate myself cuz I'm doing literally what I chose to do. 135 00:11:15,095 --> 00:11:23,605 It got consequences and I'm sure I could be making more money doing something else like running a startup is not easy. 136 00:11:23,655 --> 00:11:25,445 I'm sure a lot of people know that. 137 00:11:25,490 --> 00:11:26,690 It's like really, really tough. 138 00:11:26,695 --> 00:11:33,775 So if you can't find some sort of beauty or purpose in the midst of that, then you're fucked. 139 00:11:33,825 --> 00:11:34,335 You're done. 140 00:11:34,340 --> 00:11:37,985 To wrap up I think personally Bitcoin is gonna change the world for the better. 141 00:11:37,985 --> 00:11:48,695 I was talking about more month than money, but money is just one of those things that people get into divorces over, people get into wars over, yet when you ask people what is money? 142 00:11:48,745 --> 00:11:51,085 Almost nobody could give me a straight answer. 143 00:11:51,135 --> 00:12:01,735 And the fact that Bitcoin answers that question even 1%, that it's potentially this future of money is just the most fascinating concept that's ever lived. 144 00:12:01,735 --> 00:12:07,290 So I'm decided to put my whole life into it and build a company where our mission is bring Bitcoin to billions. 145 00:12:07,935 --> 00:12:09,015 Amin Ahmed: It's interesting to hear. 146 00:12:09,285 --> 00:12:14,540 I recently published a podcast and the topic of it was net worth versus self-worth. 147 00:12:15,060 --> 00:12:16,735 When you talk about what is money? 148 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:22,210 So many people associate their net worth with their self-worth and their own worthiness. 149 00:12:22,750 --> 00:12:26,110 And there's a big flaw there because money can be taken away really quickly. 150 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,820 As soon as you lose a house or a car or your business does your self-worth drop? 151 00:12:29,825 --> 00:12:33,500 And I think that's the disconnect there that at least I'm trying to break. 152 00:12:34,015 --> 00:12:42,715 One thing you said that was really interesting is that you find this so passionate you get up in the morning, you're reading about this, you're learning about it, you work all day cuz you enjoy it so much. 153 00:12:43,225 --> 00:12:50,700 Your family, though, on the other hand, when they see it from the outside in they can probably feel the passion, but to them it looks like working. 154 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:57,360 I was on your website earlier stalking on you, even though I know you and I saw the post that you wrote about deep fun versus shallow fun. 155 00:12:57,740 --> 00:13:00,260 It was really interesting cuz I had never thought about it that way. 156 00:13:00,270 --> 00:13:05,315 When you're sitting in front of the TV and watching a movie with your kids that may be considered shallow fun. 157 00:13:05,405 --> 00:13:06,035 Is that correct? 158 00:13:06,755 --> 00:13:06,905 Sunny Ray: Yeah. 159 00:13:06,905 --> 00:13:16,805 Amin Ahmed: When you have time in between all of the traveling you're doing and the work you're doing, what are some things that you do with your family, your kids, your wife, that you consider deep fun? 160 00:13:17,521 --> 00:13:18,511 Sunny Ray: That's a good question. 161 00:13:18,516 --> 00:13:26,571 The first thing that comes to my mind is our long dance parties, no, just have like rammy kids that are really into music and singing. 162 00:13:26,571 --> 00:13:28,311 I think just spending quality time. 163 00:13:28,311 --> 00:13:31,336 We also have this gym called Lifetime, right by our place. 164 00:13:31,341 --> 00:13:32,646 It's Ginormous. 165 00:13:32,646 --> 00:13:39,571 I'm talking four floors, 10 swimming pools, mountain climbing, gym, basketball, everything. 166 00:13:39,821 --> 00:13:43,501 We spent a lot of time there playing but also exercising. 167 00:13:43,501 --> 00:13:47,106 You get a sense of deep fun when you're on the swimming pool and just being. 168 00:13:47,336 --> 00:13:54,116 My wife sent me something where my kids have learned this new song and I was like, oh my God, they're actually really good. 169 00:13:54,116 --> 00:13:59,241 I was trying to explain to my that school should be things that are of deep fun. 170 00:13:59,241 --> 00:14:13,381 For example, it's not easy to solve a math puzzle, but when you solve it, the sense of accomplishment you get and the fact that you now know how to solve it for the rest of your life and that type of struggle is what I was trying to get across to my kids. 171 00:14:13,381 --> 00:14:16,521 Like watching tv, I personally don't watch any tv. 172 00:14:16,521 --> 00:14:27,391 I stopped watching TV a long time ago, and that was one of the best things I've ever given up because it's this shallow fun and hours go by and you never can get it back, type of thing. 173 00:14:27,391 --> 00:14:32,871 Amin Ahmed: I love that because when you're spending time with people, those experiences that they remember, I think of that as deep fun. 174 00:14:32,871 --> 00:14:37,921 If you just sit there and passively enjoy each other's company, there's not a whole lot there. 175 00:14:37,976 --> 00:14:47,826 So, Sonny, I've learned a lot about you, since we met and then some of the stuff you've shared but is there one thing that people right now, if you were to tell them, would be genuinely surprised to learn about you? 176 00:14:48,097 --> 00:14:56,227 Sunny Ray: I was geeky growing up, I was confused and, suspenders, braces, glasses. 177 00:14:56,857 --> 00:15:00,697 Probably only one of maybe two colored kids in my entire school. 178 00:15:00,697 --> 00:15:03,102 Felt kind of a bit outta place. 179 00:15:03,102 --> 00:15:07,437 If there are young people, I would say that, it only gets better. 180 00:15:07,457 --> 00:15:10,767 I just remember elementary was a really tough place. 181 00:15:10,767 --> 00:15:13,932 Like the playground should not be called the playground. 182 00:15:13,932 --> 00:15:16,332 Cuz there's not a lot of playing that happens. 183 00:15:16,332 --> 00:15:17,892 A lot of bullying that happens. 184 00:15:17,947 --> 00:15:25,352 I remember moments of being terrified of kids from five grades above me beating me up and shit like that used to happen. 185 00:15:25,407 --> 00:15:31,947 That kind of stuff doesn't happen when you're an adult, especially when you work out and do a bit of martial arts and have friends like Amin. 186 00:15:31,947 --> 00:15:42,517 I remember going from elementary to junior high things got a little bit better and then high school, things got even a little bit better cuz you find a few people that you can hang out with. 187 00:15:42,517 --> 00:15:56,057 What people don't know about me, I don't consider myself to be super smart, but I consider myself good at being able to find people who are smart and be amongst them. 188 00:15:56,057 --> 00:15:58,997 I compete with them and I usually never beat them. 189 00:15:59,002 --> 00:16:02,997 But because I'm hanging out with smart people, I end up in a good place. 190 00:16:02,997 --> 00:16:08,692 And I think that pertains to me kind of being friends with people much smarter than me. 191 00:16:08,692 --> 00:16:13,267 People like you who do about working out, and I remember you were very good at being social. 192 00:16:13,267 --> 00:16:15,907 You wouldn't have problems meeting people and being friendly. 193 00:16:15,912 --> 00:16:17,352 I always took a lot from that. 194 00:16:17,352 --> 00:16:21,252 Fast forward to now, people in Bitcoins, they're some of the smartest people I've ever met. 195 00:16:21,822 --> 00:16:30,897 The fact that I'm able to identify who is smart both in a classroom environment and the world gives me a bit of an edge and I feel like I can connect the dots. 196 00:16:30,947 --> 00:16:31,547 Amin Ahmed: That's inspiring. 197 00:16:31,547 --> 00:16:35,987 I love that you don't need to be the smartest guy to have success. 198 00:16:36,017 --> 00:16:38,352 I think you articulated be around the smart guys. 199 00:16:39,172 --> 00:16:39,377 Sunny Ray: Yeah. 200 00:16:39,377 --> 00:16:43,467 For example, I'm in a company where I have three other co-founders. 201 00:16:43,472 --> 00:16:49,577 Sathvik, who's a CEO, showed me, a book on blockchains and he's got a publisher lined up. 202 00:16:49,577 --> 00:16:53,562 I'm just suddenly going, damn like you just wrote a book dude. 203 00:16:54,032 --> 00:16:59,762 Me and Sathvik, we make a really good team, cause I'm more like an idea guy, a networking guy, a business guy. 204 00:16:59,762 --> 00:17:02,152 And Sathvik is hardcore execution guy. 205 00:17:02,152 --> 00:17:04,207 So we come together and we build. 206 00:17:04,837 --> 00:17:05,497 Amin Ahmed: That's very cool. 207 00:17:05,767 --> 00:17:08,677 So Sunny, if somebody wanted to get a hold of you, where could they do that? 208 00:17:09,043 --> 00:17:11,463 Sunny Ray: contact@sunnyray.com. 209 00:17:11,543 --> 00:17:16,193 And my website sunnyray.com, people can go there and reach out to me. 210 00:17:16,373 --> 00:17:17,963 Twitter, Sunny Ray show. 211 00:17:17,963 --> 00:17:19,133 I'm pretty active on Twitter. 212 00:17:19,133 --> 00:17:20,213 My dms are open. 213 00:17:20,543 --> 00:17:23,673 Amin Ahmed: I took a look at your website and you've got some fun stuff there, some educational stuff. 214 00:17:23,678 --> 00:17:25,628 There's a lot of interesting info. 215 00:17:26,438 --> 00:17:26,798 All right. 216 00:17:26,803 --> 00:17:27,818 I'm not gonna keep you too long. 217 00:17:27,818 --> 00:17:30,423 I know you're in India right now, I'm in Canada. 218 00:17:30,453 --> 00:17:31,863 There's big time zone difference. 219 00:17:31,863 --> 00:17:36,123 Thank you so much for taking the time and energy and being present here, Sunny. 220 00:17:36,123 --> 00:17:36,993 I really appreciate it. 221 00:17:37,293 --> 00:17:38,543 It's always good to see you brother. 222 00:17:38,683 --> 00:17:41,018 I'm glad we had a chance to connect and talk about this. 223 00:17:41,298 --> 00:17:41,818 Thanks so much. 224 00:17:41,818 --> 00:17:42,398 Sunny Ray: Thank you, Amin. 225 00:17:42,688 --> 00:17:43,108 Bye.