1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,160 What would it look like to start a community that was really, 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,960 it's for the people like Jesus would be for. 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,080 Welcome to Heaven Earth Church. 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,760 I'm Ross Stackhouse, the founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church. 5 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:21,760 From the start, our heart has been to be a church for people who 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,680 don't fit neatly into church. 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,360 We want to meet people where they are and know their stories. 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,720 Because in every story there is God's story. 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,500 And this podcast, podcast is just about that. 10 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:36,620 It's about inviting you into the stories of the people of Heaven 11 00:00:36,620 --> 00:00:37,260 Earth Church. 12 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:39,740 So let's turn to the story. 13 00:00:41,900 --> 00:00:42,940 Hello good people. 14 00:00:43,420 --> 00:00:49,940 And we welcome you to the Heaven Earth Church podcast. 15 00:00:49,940 --> 00:00:51,340 I'm the producer of the podcast. 16 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:52,540 Brad Miller is my name. 17 00:00:52,780 --> 00:00:56,900 And this is the podcast for the church that looks to make a lasting 18 00:00:56,900 --> 00:01:03,280 impact on our community and how it's lived out, how Christ has 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,440 lived out, where heaven intersects with earth. 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,080 And one of the things we love to do is talk to people who are connected 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,000 with the church life. 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,520 And right now we are just pleased to have Dina Scowcraft with 23 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,520 us here on our conversation. 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,080 Dina, welcome to our conversation. 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:17,880 Thank you. 26 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,640 Well, Dina, you always such. 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,020 I've got to know you, we've got to know you very small groups. 28 00:01:26,020 --> 00:01:29,780 We're in and in church for some time here now. 29 00:01:29,780 --> 00:01:33,620 And you just are a delightful person with a great smile and a great 30 00:01:34,020 --> 00:01:35,620 easy laughter about you. 31 00:01:35,620 --> 00:01:37,580 And those are one of some things I've noticed about you. 32 00:01:37,580 --> 00:01:38,100 But let's. 33 00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:40,340 Is there opportunity to find a little bit about you here? 34 00:01:40,660 --> 00:01:41,299 So tell. 35 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:43,940 Let's start with where are you from? 36 00:01:43,940 --> 00:01:45,220 What's hometown for you? 37 00:01:45,860 --> 00:01:46,900 Barkersville. 38 00:01:47,140 --> 00:01:48,100 Barkersville. 39 00:01:48,100 --> 00:01:48,580 Yeah. 40 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:49,060 Good. 41 00:01:49,460 --> 00:01:51,540 Well, tell me just a little bit about growing up in Bargersville. 42 00:01:51,540 --> 00:01:53,140 Tell me about the family you grew up in. 43 00:01:54,080 --> 00:02:01,520 I grew up with my grandma and grandpa on a 40 acre farm and my 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:07,600 mom was living there and my aunt and uncle lived there and we. 45 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,400 I helped out on the farm a lot with my grandpa. 46 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:13,040 Wow. 47 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:18,560 And he taught me a lot of things on the farm about how to get 48 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,700 the eggs from the chickens without getting pecked to death. 49 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:22,660 And then. 50 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:28,060 And then watch about the roosters and oh my goodness, the 51 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:29,060 roosters can be mean. 52 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:31,060 So you're a real farm girl then, aren't you? 53 00:02:31,060 --> 00:02:31,540 Yeah. 54 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:32,820 Well, how about that? 55 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:33,300 Well, that. 56 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:34,420 Well, that's. 57 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,180 That's great. 58 00:02:35,180 --> 00:02:36,020 Well, tell me then. 59 00:02:36,660 --> 00:02:39,780 So you, you had this family environment there and then you. 60 00:02:40,020 --> 00:02:43,500 So tell me, was going to church or things like that a part 61 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:44,820 of growing up for you? 62 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:50,680 Yeah, my grandpa was trying to find a church for us to go to and 63 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,000 he found it was called the Church of the Firstborn. 64 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:56,440 And they. 65 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,320 We went to that for a long time. 66 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,640 And then he was. 67 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,640 Well, we went all through the place and he finally found this one 68 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:12,280 and he liked it real well and how the people were. 69 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,200 They were full of love and. 70 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,480 And we can tell that they love, you know, everybody. 71 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:20,120 Yeah. 72 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,960 So that was a part of. 73 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,000 So sound like church was overall pretty good experience growing 74 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,520 up then that. 75 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,040 Yeah. 76 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:27,880 That's awesome. 77 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,600 Well, tell me a little bit about you. 78 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,520 Kind of like what you did after you grew up. 79 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:32,800 Kind of. 80 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,320 What kind of career, family, anything along that line that you 81 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:38,760 happened with you. 82 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:45,260 Well, I went to high school, graduated, and then I got married 83 00:03:45,260 --> 00:03:48,940 when I was 22 and had my son when I was. 84 00:03:49,340 --> 00:03:50,540 Or not 22. 85 00:03:50,540 --> 00:03:53,660 Sorry, I was 24 when I got married. 86 00:03:53,660 --> 00:03:54,220 Okay. 87 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:59,660 And I had my son and I moved away from there. 88 00:04:00,460 --> 00:04:02,460 And his. 89 00:04:02,780 --> 00:04:06,660 His family was church oriented too. 90 00:04:06,660 --> 00:04:09,020 They were associated with the same church. 91 00:04:09,020 --> 00:04:11,860 Okay, and by his you mean your husband at the time. 92 00:04:11,860 --> 00:04:12,140 Yeah. 93 00:04:12,140 --> 00:04:12,580 Okay. 94 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:19,820 And we tried to, you know, go to church so we can have our son 95 00:04:19,820 --> 00:04:22,500 to grow up knowing God. 96 00:04:23,460 --> 00:04:24,980 And he. 97 00:04:26,180 --> 00:04:27,220 He did real good. 98 00:04:27,220 --> 00:04:27,860 I mean, we. 99 00:04:27,860 --> 00:04:30,700 We tried to teach him and everything like that. 100 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:32,980 And it's instilled in him now today. 101 00:04:33,380 --> 00:04:33,860 Yeah. 102 00:04:34,580 --> 00:04:36,180 And so you have the one son, right? 103 00:04:36,260 --> 00:04:36,740 Yes. 104 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:37,930 And that's Paul, right? 105 00:04:37,930 --> 00:04:38,490 Yeah. 106 00:04:38,970 --> 00:04:40,490 And tell me just a little bit about him. 107 00:04:40,490 --> 00:04:41,850 Tell me something cool about him. 108 00:04:42,170 --> 00:04:47,650 Oh, he, he's real, real down to earth. 109 00:04:47,650 --> 00:04:49,210 And he also is. 110 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:51,530 He's to the point too. 111 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:56,810 He will tell you in a minute, like, you know, putting his cards 112 00:04:56,810 --> 00:04:58,810 on the table what he thinks. 113 00:04:59,370 --> 00:05:01,130 And I mean, he does it in a. 114 00:05:01,450 --> 00:05:04,570 In a kind way, but he just makes his point across. 115 00:05:04,730 --> 00:05:07,410 It just seems like, as I observed, you two are pretty close, 116 00:05:07,410 --> 00:05:07,930 aren't you? 117 00:05:07,930 --> 00:05:09,430 Yes, we bond. 118 00:05:09,510 --> 00:05:10,070 Yeah. 119 00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:11,190 That's awesome. 120 00:05:12,150 --> 00:05:13,430 So that's a good thing. 121 00:05:13,430 --> 00:05:19,070 And then you went through life with your husband and then I know 122 00:05:19,070 --> 00:05:20,150 you're no longer married. 123 00:05:20,150 --> 00:05:20,710 That's the case. 124 00:05:20,710 --> 00:05:20,990 Right? 125 00:05:20,990 --> 00:05:21,430 Yeah. 126 00:05:21,670 --> 00:05:23,870 So I didn't know if you've been married other times or anything 127 00:05:23,870 --> 00:05:24,470 along that line. 128 00:05:24,470 --> 00:05:27,030 No, he's the only one that I've been married to. 129 00:05:27,190 --> 00:05:27,670 Yeah. 130 00:05:27,750 --> 00:05:28,150 So. 131 00:05:29,030 --> 00:05:32,070 So tell me a little bit about jobs or career, anything that you're 132 00:05:32,070 --> 00:05:34,550 involved with in, in the, in the work world. 133 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:35,590 I'm. 134 00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:37,670 I'm a warehouse worker. 135 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:39,430 I'm material handler. 136 00:05:39,910 --> 00:05:44,370 I pack and I, I like it. 137 00:05:44,850 --> 00:05:45,330 It's. 138 00:05:45,330 --> 00:05:47,010 It's like, it's my calling. 139 00:05:47,250 --> 00:05:49,410 And because I've tried other things. 140 00:05:49,410 --> 00:05:53,450 I've tried restaurant and everything, and I just don't do good 141 00:05:53,450 --> 00:05:54,050 with that. 142 00:05:54,610 --> 00:05:56,090 Well, you say that you're calling. 143 00:05:56,090 --> 00:05:57,330 I think that's very cool. 144 00:05:57,330 --> 00:06:02,410 So what aspect of that, what part of that makes it a calling for 145 00:06:02,410 --> 00:06:02,690 you? 146 00:06:03,730 --> 00:06:10,380 I think helps me to associate with the. 147 00:06:10,540 --> 00:06:15,820 With people better than in a restaurant and all. 148 00:06:15,820 --> 00:06:19,420 Because a restaurant, it's so busy, you don't have time to really 149 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:20,940 talk with people. 150 00:06:21,420 --> 00:06:23,900 So you kind of get along with your co workers and you share life 151 00:06:24,380 --> 00:06:26,780 stories and family life, whatever with them. 152 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:27,580 Yes. 153 00:06:27,580 --> 00:06:33,060 And also I can talk to God with them too, and not have a problem 154 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:33,380 with. 155 00:06:33,380 --> 00:06:35,300 Because some places they won't. 156 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:37,180 They frown upon that kind of thing. 157 00:06:37,180 --> 00:06:40,740 So you have a little bit of a deeper connection even about spiritual 158 00:06:40,740 --> 00:06:41,060 stuff. 159 00:06:41,060 --> 00:06:41,460 Yes. 160 00:06:41,460 --> 00:06:42,060 Well, that. 161 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:44,380 Well, that's awesome. 162 00:06:44,380 --> 00:06:49,260 Let's talk about your church life, things like that as an adult. 163 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:54,100 You're involved with churches as an adult as well in your life 164 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:54,460 experience. 165 00:06:54,940 --> 00:07:02,340 Yes, And I found this church here a whole lot better than some 166 00:07:02,340 --> 00:07:07,100 of the other churches that I have been because they. 167 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:10,060 They don't. 168 00:07:10,700 --> 00:07:15,940 The other churches just doesn't talk about what we need to 169 00:07:15,940 --> 00:07:16,220 know. 170 00:07:17,660 --> 00:07:20,700 We need to know what the truth is about things. 171 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:21,420 Yeah. 172 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:23,340 Well, tell me about how you first. 173 00:07:23,340 --> 00:07:26,900 How Heaven Earth church first got on your radar, so to speak, how 174 00:07:26,900 --> 00:07:30,620 you first heard about it and maybe some of your initial first 175 00:07:30,620 --> 00:07:31,260 impressions. 176 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:38,560 My son came here with a friend that he was working with, and then 177 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:45,800 he introduced me, which I told him to go and find to church on a 178 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,840 Sunday and find out what it's like. 179 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,440 And then I would decide to go then. 180 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,640 And when I first came, I found that there was love here. 181 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:02,700 People got together together a whole lot better. 182 00:08:03,420 --> 00:08:04,780 And also we. 183 00:08:04,940 --> 00:08:09,220 People communicated and that was lacking in some of the churches 184 00:08:09,220 --> 00:08:10,300 that I've been to. 185 00:08:10,780 --> 00:08:13,340 And also people helped out each other. 186 00:08:13,340 --> 00:08:16,620 And I didn't find that in any other church that I've been to. 187 00:08:17,260 --> 00:08:19,500 So sound like your first impressions were pretty. 188 00:08:19,980 --> 00:08:20,860 Pretty positive. 189 00:08:20,860 --> 00:08:21,660 They take you. 190 00:08:22,220 --> 00:08:24,300 Did you feel like something kind of clicked right away or did 191 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:26,340 it take you a little while to kind of check it out for a while 192 00:08:26,340 --> 00:08:27,870 before you felt at home? 193 00:08:27,870 --> 00:08:31,390 I think it took a little bit because on account I was sort of 194 00:08:31,390 --> 00:08:35,910 leery about different ones because I would start out at other 195 00:08:35,910 --> 00:08:40,750 churches and they would seem like it would click and then all 196 00:08:40,750 --> 00:08:41,870 of a sudden I get 197 00:08:41,870 --> 00:08:44,990 disappointed later on there was something happened that was. 198 00:08:44,990 --> 00:08:47,870 You felt a little uneasy or something like that. 199 00:08:47,870 --> 00:08:49,310 I didn't feel spiritual. 200 00:08:49,390 --> 00:08:51,750 Okay, Very, very good. 201 00:08:51,750 --> 00:08:53,390 Well, let's talk about that spiritual thing then. 202 00:08:53,390 --> 00:08:57,150 Have you had kind of any moments in your relationship with. 203 00:08:57,390 --> 00:08:58,510 With God overall? 204 00:08:58,510 --> 00:09:01,430 Maybe Here through the church where you kind of get, hey, this 205 00:09:01,430 --> 00:09:02,270 is a God thing. 206 00:09:02,270 --> 00:09:03,710 This is God's really in this. 207 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:05,870 Have you had any moments that are kind of like that? 208 00:09:05,950 --> 00:09:07,070 Yes, I have. 209 00:09:08,030 --> 00:09:12,030 My, My whole life I've. 210 00:09:13,150 --> 00:09:21,310 Oh, I've come across where I was missing something in my life. 211 00:09:21,310 --> 00:09:27,170 And then I finally, God was starting to work back in my life 212 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:32,170 again because, I mean, I'm not saying that he never left me, but 213 00:09:32,890 --> 00:09:33,490 I had. 214 00:09:33,490 --> 00:09:38,330 There was a few times that I turned my back on him and I finally 215 00:09:39,050 --> 00:09:45,530 got back into the relationship with him and I feel a whole lot closer 216 00:09:45,530 --> 00:09:51,050 to him since things that I've learned about him and he showed me. 217 00:09:51,750 --> 00:09:55,230 Was there any specific moments or events or anything along that 218 00:09:55,230 --> 00:09:58,710 line that as you can recall, they were kind of like an aha moment 219 00:09:58,710 --> 00:09:59,350 kind of a thing? 220 00:09:59,750 --> 00:10:11,350 Yeah, he showed me that I come across like in a wreck or whatever 221 00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:16,630 that he showed me that he was covering me. 222 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:18,310 Oh, you were in a wreck? 223 00:10:18,390 --> 00:10:21,640 Yeah, it was a deer hit my. 224 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,000 Hit my truck. 225 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:23,880 Oh my goodness. 226 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,040 And I heard the antlers go down my. 227 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:33,560 The side of my truck and I felt the nudge like that. 228 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,720 And it could have been worse. 229 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Wow, that was a moment of stunning moment when you have an 230 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:43,480 accident, any kind. 231 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,920 So were you hurt or anything like that? 232 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:52,690 No, I felt that God had his angels protect me over that and stuff. 233 00:10:52,690 --> 00:10:54,010 But it got your attention? 234 00:10:54,250 --> 00:10:59,610 Yes, because, I mean, it was just like I was in shock for a little 235 00:10:59,610 --> 00:10:59,930 bit. 236 00:11:00,090 --> 00:11:01,530 God sometimes gets. 237 00:11:02,490 --> 00:11:06,250 Events happen that sometimes can get our attention and kind of 238 00:11:06,570 --> 00:11:07,930 help us make a. 239 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:12,650 Make a turn or make a transition to be a little closer 240 00:11:12,810 --> 00:11:13,450 to God. 241 00:11:13,450 --> 00:11:17,490 And I think part of the core teachings, what Jesus is all about 242 00:11:17,490 --> 00:11:19,050 is to fill our lives with love. 243 00:11:19,050 --> 00:11:22,390 But it's kind of a simple message, but it's not always easy 244 00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:23,910 to do. 245 00:11:24,070 --> 00:11:24,630 Yeah. 246 00:11:24,630 --> 00:11:28,350 And so tell me about some of the challenges you may have in your 247 00:11:28,350 --> 00:11:31,470 life in order to live a life of faith or to share your faith. 248 00:11:31,470 --> 00:11:32,590 Do you have any challenges that. 249 00:11:32,590 --> 00:11:33,110 That way? 250 00:11:33,510 --> 00:11:34,350 I usually. 251 00:11:34,350 --> 00:11:35,750 Well, I mean, it's. 252 00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:41,430 It's hard sometimes because I don't know what to pray sometimes. 253 00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:49,030 And I. I'm usually at it all on how to pray sometimes, but I try 254 00:11:49,030 --> 00:11:50,630 to pray the best I can. 255 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:55,090 And fasting is another challenge. 256 00:11:55,730 --> 00:12:01,490 It's hard because I tried to pray to him and try to tell him. 257 00:12:01,970 --> 00:12:06,890 I mean, try to ask him, not tell him, try to ask him to help 258 00:12:06,890 --> 00:12:11,970 me through that, because sometimes I get a weakness when it 259 00:12:11,970 --> 00:12:12,770 comes to that. 260 00:12:13,170 --> 00:12:16,410 Do you think being part of a community, part of a church is helpful 261 00:12:16,410 --> 00:12:19,770 to your Spiritual life in the sense of you can kind of share your 262 00:12:19,770 --> 00:12:20,410 life together. 263 00:12:20,410 --> 00:12:23,720 I know you're involved with worship and then you're in small 264 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:24,920 groups and things of this nature. 265 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,400 Tell me about this aspect of community. 266 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,080 Is it a part of your spiritual life? 267 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:29,800 Yes. 268 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:37,200 I usually love to talk with people about God, and I feel that 269 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:42,440 if we're all at one with God, then we can help each other and lift 270 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:43,320 each other up. 271 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:44,600 Yeah. 272 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,120 So tell me about it. 273 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,240 I know you're part of some of the small groups here, small group 274 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:49,960 Bible studies. 275 00:12:51,050 --> 00:12:52,250 How is that helpful to you? 276 00:12:52,890 --> 00:13:00,610 It helps me to learn more of how I should be and how God can help 277 00:13:00,610 --> 00:13:06,330 us and point out what things that we need to do to be in line 278 00:13:06,330 --> 00:13:08,890 with God and his kingdom. 279 00:13:09,850 --> 00:13:11,850 You're pretty much into the Word quite a bit, aren't you? 280 00:13:11,850 --> 00:13:15,890 You're into the Bible in your personal studies and things like 281 00:13:15,890 --> 00:13:16,050 that. 282 00:13:16,050 --> 00:13:16,570 And that's. 283 00:13:17,410 --> 00:13:19,970 That's a great thing that you're a part of that. 284 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:23,450 I've noticed that you really are into God's Word and it makes 285 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:25,010 a big difference, doesn't it, when you have. 286 00:13:25,010 --> 00:13:27,330 Make it a kind of part of your discipline, part of your life? 287 00:13:27,410 --> 00:13:33,250 Yeah, because I usually go on YouTube and there's a person that 288 00:13:33,250 --> 00:13:39,850 reads and I learn from him by reading along with them and looking 289 00:13:39,850 --> 00:13:44,540 up the different Bibles, the verses and stuff like that. 290 00:13:45,340 --> 00:13:45,820 Let's. 291 00:13:45,820 --> 00:13:46,620 Yeah, that's awesome. 292 00:13:46,620 --> 00:13:49,580 Let's get back to your relationship here, to heaven or church. 293 00:13:50,460 --> 00:13:53,060 When was the time when you kind of, after checking it out for 294 00:13:53,060 --> 00:13:56,860 a while, you kind of felt like, okay, this is now my church. 295 00:13:57,180 --> 00:14:01,860 This is where I feel like I can be a part of things and I can 296 00:14:01,860 --> 00:14:02,780 make a contribution. 297 00:14:03,260 --> 00:14:04,620 Was there time like that? 298 00:14:06,060 --> 00:14:11,310 I felt like in the last couple months, I felt like that I felt like 299 00:14:11,310 --> 00:14:16,190 that I could help the community, talk with people and. 300 00:14:16,990 --> 00:14:18,590 And do. 301 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:29,750 And contribute to them a part of my joy and part of my experiences. 302 00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:30,190 Yeah. 303 00:14:30,190 --> 00:14:31,630 So you got something to share with others. 304 00:14:31,710 --> 00:14:32,190 Yes. 305 00:14:32,270 --> 00:14:35,070 So part of what we do here is this kind of this conversational 306 00:14:35,230 --> 00:14:39,130 style in worship and also just other things. 307 00:14:40,170 --> 00:14:41,970 You're pretty good conversational, sergeant. 308 00:14:41,970 --> 00:14:43,250 You kind of enjoy that part of things. 309 00:14:43,250 --> 00:14:43,610 Having. 310 00:14:43,690 --> 00:14:46,650 Talking with people and being part of their conversations. 311 00:14:46,730 --> 00:14:48,970 Yes, I like talking with people. 312 00:14:49,290 --> 00:14:49,730 Yeah. 313 00:14:49,730 --> 00:14:51,370 I, I don't. 314 00:14:53,050 --> 00:14:55,770 I don't get, like, as shy as I used to. 315 00:14:55,770 --> 00:15:00,250 I used to be real shy about talking with people, but I. I guess 316 00:15:00,250 --> 00:15:05,500 because over the years I've been through it and, and talked with 317 00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:07,140 different ones and all that. 318 00:15:07,140 --> 00:15:12,620 I find God helps give me that ease because I Think that he, he 319 00:15:12,940 --> 00:15:18,500 put that in me, that he wants me to spread the word and talk and 320 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:22,380 he's chosen me to do that. 321 00:15:22,540 --> 00:15:23,140 Awesome. 322 00:15:23,140 --> 00:15:23,740 Awesome. 323 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:29,540 Dina, one of the models or one of the things we say here at Heavenly 324 00:15:29,540 --> 00:15:35,600 Church is if, if you feel like you don't fit in church, you fit 325 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,080 here. 326 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,120 Do you think that's an accurate statement and if so, how? 327 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,480 I think it's an accurate statement because like how you all 328 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:53,120 work with people and you try to include them in to a lot of things 329 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:59,310 and talk with them and help make it easy for them to get along 330 00:15:59,550 --> 00:16:03,790 and to know what God stands for. 331 00:16:04,510 --> 00:16:04,910 Yeah. 332 00:16:04,910 --> 00:16:07,630 Some people say the church is kind of a collection of misfits in 333 00:16:07,630 --> 00:16:12,430 a way, but who come to fit together and we don't. 334 00:16:12,590 --> 00:16:17,710 And this church doesn't judge on who can fit and who doesn't. 335 00:16:17,870 --> 00:16:18,350 Yeah. 336 00:16:18,670 --> 00:16:21,790 So you feel sound like that's kind of an important thing to you, 337 00:16:21,790 --> 00:16:24,150 the sense of being non judgmental. 338 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:25,230 Is that an important thing to you? 339 00:16:25,230 --> 00:16:32,130 Yes, because I feel that only God can judge and people don't have 340 00:16:32,130 --> 00:16:32,330 that. 341 00:16:32,330 --> 00:16:32,650 Right. 342 00:16:33,370 --> 00:16:34,130 There you go. 343 00:16:34,130 --> 00:16:34,810 There you go. 344 00:16:35,690 --> 00:16:36,850 Kind of along that same line. 345 00:16:36,850 --> 00:16:42,650 One of the missions statements of the, of the church is it's on 346 00:16:42,650 --> 00:16:46,970 banners we have and the website things that says heaven or 347 00:16:46,970 --> 00:16:50,330 church exists to make a lasting impact in our community. 348 00:16:50,970 --> 00:16:54,370 So I guess I'll ask you, do you think that's an accurate statement? 349 00:16:54,370 --> 00:16:56,430 If so, how so? 350 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:58,190 I think it is. 351 00:16:58,270 --> 00:16:58,750 It's. 352 00:16:58,750 --> 00:17:09,510 And we, Ross and all of you show everybody what God means to 353 00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:14,110 y' all and what he's done in yalls life and mine. 354 00:17:14,510 --> 00:17:15,870 And also he. 355 00:17:16,110 --> 00:17:16,830 He show. 356 00:17:16,990 --> 00:17:20,670 He tries to do what God shows him. 357 00:17:20,670 --> 00:17:23,710 And we all try to do what God shows us. 358 00:17:23,790 --> 00:17:26,630 Yeah, I know you're involved with small groups. 359 00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:30,290 What some other ways that you've been kind of observed or been 360 00:17:30,290 --> 00:17:32,170 involved with the life of the church. 361 00:17:36,810 --> 00:17:38,010 I'm trying to think. 362 00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:42,090 You've been some of the events we've had, haven't you? 363 00:17:42,410 --> 00:17:54,150 I think that what your wife is doing is teaching and what the other 364 00:17:54,230 --> 00:18:00,390 ministers are doing and, and pastors, I mean and doing and what 365 00:18:00,950 --> 00:18:03,190 spreading the word and trying to. 366 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:09,270 Trying to involve people into what we're doing and inviting people 367 00:18:09,509 --> 00:18:17,430 to come and also online trying to show people what examples that 368 00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:18,150 you go through. 369 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,080 One of the things I really noticed about you, Dean, is you have 370 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,920 an easy laugh and you have a big smile on your face a lot. 371 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,040 So much of the time. 372 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,680 What's something that brings you joy? 373 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,800 What's something that brings you joy? 374 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,480 It kind of makes you light up and laugh a little bit when, well, 375 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:39,760 I feel that God, he puts that smile on my face and otherwise, if 376 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,760 it wasn't for him, I probably would be otherwise. 377 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:50,200 And so I feel that he when I see a sunny day and I see hear the 378 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:55,860 birds sing and, and enjoy the nature of life that he brings and 379 00:18:55,860 --> 00:19:00,060 the colors in the in the sky, that brings joy to me. 380 00:19:00,060 --> 00:19:04,140 So you have appreciation for whatever the circumstances are. 381 00:19:04,140 --> 00:19:08,020 Even if a deer runs in your car, you're still going to be celebrating 382 00:19:08,020 --> 00:19:08,380 that. 383 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:09,180 That. 384 00:19:09,340 --> 00:19:10,380 That is awesome. 385 00:19:11,260 --> 00:19:11,660 Dina. 386 00:19:11,660 --> 00:19:15,420 One of the things we one of the reasons we have this podcast, 387 00:19:15,420 --> 00:19:17,860 one of the reasons we have our worship experiences or other things 388 00:19:17,860 --> 00:19:23,580 that we do is to be open and invitational to others. 389 00:19:24,140 --> 00:19:28,780 And one of the things I think is important is how that comes naturally 390 00:19:28,780 --> 00:19:29,980 out of relationships. 391 00:19:29,980 --> 00:19:33,860 So what I want to ask you about or share with you or ask you 392 00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:36,980 about is, let's just say there's somebody in your life, maybe 393 00:19:36,980 --> 00:19:41,860 a co worker or family member or someone who's having a bit of 394 00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:46,500 a rough time, whatever it is, relationship issue, a spiritual thing, 395 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:51,850 maybe it's a, whatever, lose a job or any number of things, health 396 00:19:51,850 --> 00:19:52,210 issues. 397 00:19:53,010 --> 00:19:55,970 But I think you're the type of people come to once in a while when 398 00:19:55,970 --> 00:19:57,250 they've got issues going on. 399 00:19:57,250 --> 00:19:58,410 Is that a fair thing to say? 400 00:19:58,410 --> 00:20:00,130 People once in a while come to you? 401 00:20:00,130 --> 00:20:04,930 I've had people that come to me for advice and I mean, I tell 402 00:20:04,930 --> 00:20:06,770 them I'm not perfect. 403 00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:09,810 I can give you as much advice as I can. 404 00:20:10,690 --> 00:20:12,370 Just pray about it. 405 00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:15,210 I imagine you're a pretty good listener too, aren't you? 406 00:20:15,210 --> 00:20:20,430 Yeah, I they come to me sometimes just for me to listen so 407 00:20:20,430 --> 00:20:20,590 they 408 00:20:20,590 --> 00:20:24,230 can rant or whatever it would be. 409 00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:26,910 But you're a good listener and you are a good friend. 410 00:20:26,910 --> 00:20:31,629 You've got this countenances vibe about you that you're a friendly 411 00:20:31,629 --> 00:20:34,590 person and approachable is one of I guess that's the word I want 412 00:20:34,590 --> 00:20:35,030 to say. 413 00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:40,470 But along that line, do you think that if someone came to you 414 00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:44,510 with an issue and you thought that maybe perhaps a One Response 415 00:20:44,510 --> 00:20:50,060 to It could be, you know, I go to this church, having her church, 416 00:20:50,060 --> 00:20:53,540 and maybe this could be helpful to you in whatever issue 417 00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:56,300 you're going on with your friend or your co worker, is this 418 00:20:56,300 --> 00:20:59,540 the type of place you'd feel comfortable inviting somebody to 419 00:20:59,540 --> 00:21:02,820 come to, to be, help them kind of sort out what's going on with 420 00:21:02,820 --> 00:21:03,100 them? 421 00:21:03,420 --> 00:21:03,940 I do. 422 00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:09,180 I I feel that I would say to them, you know, come with me and, 423 00:21:09,340 --> 00:21:13,140 and see, I'm not pushing you to do it. 424 00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:18,580 But I'm asking you if you want to come and see, to get your answers 425 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:23,620 or to talk with somebody that will help you with that, because 426 00:21:23,620 --> 00:21:24,420 there's different. 427 00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:29,660 Different classes and different people that you can talk 428 00:21:29,660 --> 00:21:30,020 to. 429 00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:31,620 So you feel like you. 430 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:34,860 This would be a safe place, so to speak, to bring somebody that 431 00:21:34,860 --> 00:21:37,660 they wouldn't necessarily feel whatever. 432 00:21:37,660 --> 00:21:39,100 Judged or anything along that line. 433 00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:39,540 Yeah. 434 00:21:39,870 --> 00:21:41,230 Yeah, I do. 435 00:21:41,230 --> 00:21:42,670 Well, that's awesome. 436 00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:45,750 Well, one of the reasons we even have this podcast, Deanna, is 437 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:49,750 to help people who are kind of checking us out, check out the church 438 00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:52,950 in terms of if it's a safe place or a good place for them to 439 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:53,230 come. 440 00:21:53,310 --> 00:21:55,070 So why don't you just. 441 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,150 What I'd like you to do is just to kind of share. 442 00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:59,070 Let's just assume somebody's watching us right. 443 00:21:59,070 --> 00:22:02,190 Right now, that you could be an encouragement to them. 444 00:22:02,750 --> 00:22:05,190 So what would you say to a person who's kind of having. 445 00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:07,230 They're kind of lost, they're kind of looking for something. 446 00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:10,490 Looking for something spiritually or socially or they're 447 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:12,490 having some issue in life, health, or something else. 448 00:22:12,570 --> 00:22:16,850 What would you say to them in terms of what heaven or church may 449 00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:18,490 be a place where they can least check out? 450 00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:20,970 I feel that they. 451 00:22:21,370 --> 00:22:24,890 They could come to church and. 452 00:22:25,050 --> 00:22:26,850 Or go on the pod on. 453 00:22:26,850 --> 00:22:34,870 Go on the app and ask a question and if they wanted to ask 454 00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:41,990 a question before they came and find out what it's like and learn 455 00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:48,630 of the different classes and different worship that we do and 456 00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:49,030 stuff. 457 00:22:49,030 --> 00:22:49,510 Yeah. 458 00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:52,670 So I think it's fair to say even before someone actually came 459 00:22:52,670 --> 00:22:57,390 to worship in person, they could reach out to the pastors and 460 00:22:57,390 --> 00:23:01,070 the staff here or through us through the podcast. 461 00:23:01,070 --> 00:23:01,350 And. 462 00:23:02,110 --> 00:23:03,390 And people would respond. 463 00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:03,950 Yes. 464 00:23:05,310 --> 00:23:08,830 And so we try to be very open to what people can experience. 465 00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:10,510 Well, anything else you want to share? 466 00:23:10,510 --> 00:23:13,950 Just because you want to share anything to the folks who may be 467 00:23:14,110 --> 00:23:18,190 hearing us here today, just have a good 468 00:23:18,190 --> 00:23:23,790 day, have a blessed day, and keep trying in contact with God. 469 00:23:24,190 --> 00:23:25,550 Keep contact with God. 470 00:23:26,030 --> 00:23:29,870 I love how you say that a lot of people have different sayings 471 00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:32,390 that they have about be blessed or whatever, and those are 472 00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:33,230 all awesome things. 473 00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:36,650 But when you say keep contact with God, I love that. 474 00:23:37,050 --> 00:23:39,530 Well, I want to thank you for being our guest here today. 475 00:23:40,170 --> 00:23:42,850 And her name is Dina Schoolcraft. 476 00:23:42,850 --> 00:23:45,730 She's part of the one delightful people we have here at 477 00:23:45,730 --> 00:23:47,130 Heaven Earth Church. 478 00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:51,930 And you can always check us out at our website, which is heavenearthchurch.org 479 00:23:52,090 --> 00:23:55,370 where you can encounter some of the wonderful people we have here 480 00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:58,650 at Heaven Earth Church, including Dean of schoolcraft and 481 00:23:58,650 --> 00:23:58,980 radish. 482 00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:59,850 This is the church. 483 00:23:59,850 --> 00:24:02,850 If you don't feel like you fit in church, you will fit in here. 484 00:24:02,850 --> 00:24:05,890 We're a church that makes a looks to make a lasting impact for 485 00:24:05,890 --> 00:24:06,330 our community. 486 00:24:06,970 --> 00:24:09,530 And my name is Brad Miller, the producer of the podcast. 487 00:24:09,610 --> 00:24:13,050 We hope to see you soon here at Heaven Earth Church. 488 00:24:13,930 --> 00:24:16,410 We want to thank you for spending time with us today. 489 00:24:16,570 --> 00:24:19,930 My name is Ross Stackhouse, the pastor to Heaven Earth Church, 490 00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:23,650 and you may think out there that your story is over, but in fact, 491 00:24:23,650 --> 00:24:26,740 your faith story may just be beginning. 492 00:24:27,060 --> 00:24:29,900 If you want more information about our church or you're interested 493 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:33,940 in the next step, you can go to heavenorthchurch.org Otherwise, 494 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:37,100 we look forward to being with you next time at the Heaven Earth 495 00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:44,410 Church podcast.