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Joel, Andrew, it's cold out today. Boy, oh boy, isn't it? But you know what is not cold?

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Your heart. Thank you. Good job. Well done. Warm hearts for everybody. Open minds, warm

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voices, all that. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Dudes and Dads podcast. Glad to have

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each and every one of you along for the ride. What a what a special special. We have a lot

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A lot of firsts.

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A special ride.

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We have a lot of firsts on this show.

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Well yeah, okay, so first of all, Andy, you and I have dreamt for a time to have sort

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of a third man in the booth, so to speak.

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A Jamie, if you will.

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A Jamie, if you will, to quote Joe Rogan.

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A person who, when we have a random idea and we need someone to fact check us, to look

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into if what we're saying is even remotely accurate, like on the fly.

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Because we want our audience to have...

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A confidence.

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Yeah, no confidence that we're saying real things right yeah, so

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Mark Graf our new production assistant mark is a previous guest and previous guest

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Guest longtime listener first-time guest no one-time guest longtime listener and first-time producer first-time producer

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Yeah, yeah, so we're glad to have him along and you'll be hearing more from him

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But we just we reached a level Andy where it was like

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This this show is nearly off the rails as it is and with a third person we hope to bring a little more

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Off the rails it's also funny because mark did work for the railroad and that was an interesting. That's true. That was an interesting

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Image that I guess that was one of the topics that we talked about while he was here, okay

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So yes mark or marky mark as I shall call him from now on

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We're glad we're glad to have you buddy

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I think Andy people that have support us that

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You know they see us on the streets, and they say love the show keep it up keep doing what you're doing it

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Which warms our hearts in a cold weather, but then we also have beyond just that sort of support

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We have a special kind of support and that means come that comes from our official supporters, right?

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No, no, it's a Tara. It's a Tara. We'll have to change the copy copy. That's an official official comment. Hey

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We had an experience today. We got to see our daughters in the the church Christmas musical we did yes

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And it was dynamite not a dry eye in the in the house

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They mostly because I laughed real hard, but

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That was a funny thing to like so before you all got in there. Yes, I was doing audio pretty great

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There is gonna be some stuff in here that you guys are saying that it's funny to the adults

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So you need to wait and let that last.

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- You need to let them last.

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- Give the pause for the punchline.

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at Clinton Frame and all of the team that put that together.

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with these elementary kids for a few months now

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and it really showed all the time and attention.

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Everyone had a good time, so it was really, really cool.

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So Andy, we have a really special guest on this evening.

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And I'm really, really grateful to have him on.

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I should say, for our local community,

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there are few people who do not know who Vince Turner is.

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He has operated in many circles.

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He is just somebody that I, from a distance,

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have really admired the work that he has done.

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Vince is in-- well, there's a new chapter of life

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that Vince is entering, which means

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Vince is moving out of the area.

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And I said, "Doggone it," before he does.

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- We need to get you in.

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- We need to get him.

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- We like our remote guests.

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We like in-person guests even better.

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- Because they're in-person.

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So Vince, welcome to the show.

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- Well, thank you.

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- So glad to have you here.

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So Mark, roll credits 'cause the introduction

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charge of being way back there, you know, so it's, we are going to eventually give a

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microphone and we will put a camera on, we promise we'll put a camera on them, but we

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love you anyway, we do.

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We're grateful, grateful for the support.

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uh, something that no matter what, that you were doing, and this is kind of part we want

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to talk about just the way that you have you and as we'll talk about your lovely bride,

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which we can't we can't not talk about Pat the way the way that you guys have a really

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The mark that you have made here is really, really substantial.

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And it's like everybody has just like these really beautiful so many stories.

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And Vince has enough stories of his own.

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I mean, we could go on and on.

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But Vince, you started off-- and I think this is interesting,

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because in terms of a context of our audience,

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families that are raising kiddos that are thinking about--

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helping understand how you take a certain talent,

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a certain love, and turn that into a job or a direction

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Or something like that and and you started off in this this wonderful thing

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Early on in life that seems like it's it's not quite the quite the thing that it used to be but in terms of

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terms of journalism in terms of and all that so

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So dad stats are essentially just who are you?

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Family wife kids all the things all the things you want to put out on the internet. Yeah, there we go

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Well, I'm your guest tonight. Yes, and I'm grateful for that. I am a proud follower of Jesus Christ

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I'm a rich Mullins devotee. Oh, yes. Oh, yes

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And and there is a quote in rich the rich Mullins biography and arrow-pointing Skywood that just absolutely

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Encapsulate my faith life or my faith walk and and he said

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Probably the best way to describe me as well. You know, I'm a little bit of a spiritual mutt. I was

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Born and raised Catholic by a Sicilian grandmother. I was the oldest male in my generation

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So guess what I was supposed to be guys. Yeah, that didn't happen. Yeah

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No, yeah, and because I've got four children. Well, you know the celibacy thing. Yeah

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So, yeah, but I'm married to Pat and we'll get into this a little later in the program because you wanted to talk about my

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influences, but my life is very definitely divided into

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BP and AP, who I was before Pat came into my life and who I am or who I hope I am after

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Pat came into my life.

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And it's, you know, for me, it's just this great story of how God, you know, takes broken

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pieces and, and makes jars that will, will hold water.

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We have our blended family has four children.

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Our daughter, Angela lives in Rockford, Illinois, silly girl.

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And, and we have three grandchildren there.

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My daughter, Andrea lives in Fairhope, Alabama, which is where we are moving.

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Pat is already there.

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And then I'm moving at the end of the week and she and Heath have two grandchildren down there.

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I'm going to get to watch Braxton play for Fairhope high school.

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And that may sound familiar to a couple of people around here.

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Cause Fairhope is the alma mater of a kid named Riley Leonard.

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Who they saw on Colts today and played at the university of Notre Dame.

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So if you're keeping score at home, four children, 11 grandchildren.

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I always tell people that I'm the most patient customer in the world, whether at a restaurant

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especially being a married guy with three adult daughters,

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I wait for everything. But,

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but that's kind of the dad story and of everything in there.

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I grandchildren are kind of God's redemption.

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Everything you didn't do right as a parent,

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you get a do over for grandchildren.

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And we just have a great time with that. I love it.

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I love it.

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That's awesome.

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So Vince, let's, uh, we're going to jump in the time machine and go back and ask the question

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when, when you were young, what did you want to be when you grow up?

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I wanted to be a lawyer.

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And um, and uh, moving, uh, in, into the next realm.

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When I was in school, I really wanted to be a lawyer.

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I went to one year of college and a long story that we don't have to go over, but I became

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have a, had a natural gravity for being behind a microphone or, you know,

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When I first went to high school the choir director in high school,

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Sheldon Bixler was determined that I was going to be the best bass or

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baritone he ever had in the choir. Cause my voice was already, you know,

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radio station and turned out that the bug bit.

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couple of gigs in the Fort Wayne area, but I wanted to do sports and in one of

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the few predictions that I've ever gotten correct, I told the folks in Fort

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Wayne, I said, "Listen, Bob Chase is going to be here forever." Bob Chase ended up

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doing Fort Wayne Comets hockey for 54 years. Just an amazing career and a

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terrific guy. So with the help of some folks and the Federated Media up here in

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for the Elkhart Truth with the promise that when the opportunity came to move into the

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play-by-play and broadcasting, that I would slide over to WTRC and that's what happened.

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And I ended up spending about four years at the newspaper here in Elkhart and then 13

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years at WTRC before it was time to do the career switch again.

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Yeah. What, uh, when you're thinking about broadcasting, what, what, what did you love

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the most about that work?

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I am, there's two things that have carried me through all of my career opportunities.

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One is that I love people.

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I mean, I just love being around people.

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It's one of the things, you know, I explained that I was a spiritual mutt.

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I was raised in the Catholic tradition.

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My final foster father was a Methodist pastor.

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My favorite Bible teacher is a Baptist, David Jeremiah.

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I am intrigued and inspired by the Mennonite tradition

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that I found when I came here to Elkhart County

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and that rare combination of being able to serve Jesus Christ

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and also serve fellow man.

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So that has kind of got me going as well.

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But the thread that runs through all that

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is that I just genuinely love people

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and I really wanna hear their stories.

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And which may be doing interviews and features

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and those kinds of things special

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because I want to hear their stories.

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and then you marry it to this wonderful work opportunity

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that comes either through broadcasting

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or banking or whatever.

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That's really kind of, I just, I love asking questions.

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And it's part of what makes it intriguing here

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'cause I'm on the other end of that.

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- Yeah, yeah. - I'm answering questions.

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- I was just saying, I think that's really

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of the show is we just know a lot of people who have written interesting stories and we

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love hearing the stories.

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And so in connecting people, do you Vince, do you feel like do you feel like the curiosity

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thing?

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We talk a lot about a spirit of curiosity on this show.

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Is that something that can come naturally to you or can you or can you foster curiosity?

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Can you build curiosity?

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I think most of it comes naturally or at least the seeds are planted naturally by God.

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But I think you can learn to cultivate it, and I think there are good ways and poor ways

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of learning.

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And that's where the BP and AP comes in, is I really, after being with Pat, learned how

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to appropriately, you know, make those curiosities come to pass.

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But you know, one thing about -- when I explain about my broadcast career, the thing that

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probably is the easiest way to explain it to the people who look at the career as a

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hole as I shrink it down to 1988. That's a long time ago. But in 1988, I was four.

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Go ahead. Thank you. And Mark was like still a Cheeto in his dad's eyes.

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Two years old, Mark. Okay.

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But in 1988, Rick Meyer was playing football at Goshen High School. Sean Kemp was playing

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basketball at Concord. Fellow by the name of David Rivers, who was one of my all-time

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favorite athletes, was a basketball player at the University of Notre Dame. And I was

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was doing play by play at Notre Dame and Notre Dame won the national championship, which

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by the way is the last year they won the national championship in college football.

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And I got to do all of that.

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Yeah.

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I got to be a part of all of that and they paid me to do it.

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Silly people.

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So that that kind of explains by why broadcasting was so special to me.

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But you know, then time moved on and we made changes.

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How much how much of it for you was hey?

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I just had this I had this skill

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And I just built that skill and I've invested in it and how much of it is right place right time well

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Probably skill is third okay

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Right place right time certainly is a big part of it and the other part is mentors

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I mean I had to writ in all of my endeavors

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I had terrific mentors and in broadcasting there was a gentleman. It's he's the guy I'm was responsible for

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For pushing me toward Elkhart a gentleman by name of Hilliard Gates

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people who would be who aren't familiar with Hilliard will recognize him as the play-by-play voice of

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The radio guy in the movie Hoosiers, okay

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But he was iconic in Fort Wayne as an IU basketball broadcaster in high school

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So Hilliard Gates was a was a really really big part of that and a fellow by the name of Jack Maurer

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who gave me my first news job when I was just 20 years old in Fort Wayne.

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Funny story about Jack, and it's, you know, this is what happens when we age.

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Jack and I were talking just about a year or so ago, and we were, you know, talking

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about my travels and the different things.

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And so he goes, "Well, who hired you here?"

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And I went, "Jack, you did."

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And he goes, "Oh, that was a long time ago, and you didn't stay very long."

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So I had great mentors and then coming to Elkhart County, what really made it, because of my natural curiosity,

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just had some terrific coaches that I was able to work with. Tom Kurth was probably the best social worker and coach

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when he was football coach at Elkhart Central that you could possibly find.

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Jimmy Hahn at Concord opened tremendous, tremendous doors for me to be able to move forward.

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And then the sports information director at the University of Notre Dame at the time,

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Roger Valdiserri, just gave me terrific opportunities.

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So the combat, and then the third was whatever skills or natural abilities.

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So first was right place, right time.

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You were very perceptive about that.

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Then mentors and then whatever skills I may or may not have.

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And when you think, when you think about like even skill development as a, as a broadcaster,

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I mean, sometimes when I listen to play by play guys, it feels like there's a few things.

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Number one, and I'm going to blank on his name, the play by the radio play by play for

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the Detroit Lions guy, well, I've, they'll show videos of him up in the booth and he

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has a team around him that is, that are, that are pointing to things that are, are listing

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things like there is a whole thing.

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That was always the frustrating thing about doing high school football, right?

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You're doing like on your own with your color guy and you're looking at your charts and

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everything else.

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And so the higher you go, yeah, easier it is.

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- That's right.

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- You can't mess it up

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'cause you've got three other people pointing.

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- Right, and I think that's what I've appreciated

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about folks that are at the high school level

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that are doing it so well,

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because you know that that's the,

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I mean, they're getting a workout in there.

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Like, developing that skill,

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like I just, in my mind, there's so much going on.

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I mean, I did PA announcing at the college

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that I was at when I first started.

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And that alone was watching for the score,

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getting the number, looking, saying the right name,

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Getting to know the team well enough so that I like just kind of had a sense of what was going on

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And that is going on the entire time. Um, it it's more than just a good voice. Obviously. Well, yeah

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yeah, it's it's so much more than that and

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um and pa announcing I would argue that pa announcing is sometimes

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tougher than play-by-play

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Because pa announcing everybody hears exactly what's going on, right?

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while they're watching it.

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- Right.

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- Doing radio, that didn't always happen.

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Although I still maintain that the best compliment

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I ever had as a play-by-play guy

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was when people would bring their radios to Northside Gym.

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- Oh yes.

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- Then you know that when they wanna hear

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what you have to say.

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And then I had a number of really good color men

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who worked with me.

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The best was Dave Kowalski, Killer Kowalski,

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who played high school basketball at South Bend, Washington

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and then played at Georgia Tech and Ohio University.

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And he just had so much fun, loved the game so much

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that it made the broadcast terrific.

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- That's good.

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Well, again, some of the best individuals

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are people who've got teams,

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obviously good teams with them.

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- And I think--

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- Which is why we love Martin, right?

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- Marky Mark!

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- That's right, we love Martin.

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- There we go, yes.

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So, I mean, you had this kind of extensive

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all over the place in terms of the broadcast experience.

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And then, and then you made, and then you made a move, right?

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Which I think from the outside, I just go, I go, Vince, how in the heck

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this, I mean, this kind of with the,

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what you had built in broadcast and relationships that you had built there,

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do you take this next step? So tell us what you did, what you did next,

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how you got there. Uh, and yeah, cause I, I just, when I kind of,

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I ran through Vince's bio, I was just kind of like, yeah, that's interesting.

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Well, I ended up going to Basher Children's Home and became the director of

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development. And it was a call.

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And it was a call that was precipitated by a valley.

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But shortly after Pat and I were married let's see,

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it happened in the 1997 and Pat and I were married in 1992.

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So about four and a half, five years after Pat and I were married,

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we were vacationing in Gulf shores. Oddly enough,

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very close to where we're going to live now,

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But we were vacationing in Gulf shores and my wife was stricken with a syndrome

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called Guillain-Barre. She was paralyzed from the neck down by the time.

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I mean it started with tingling in her hands and her feet.

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And we ended up being in a hospital in Pensacola, Florida for about nine weeks.

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And we slowly began to recover. We lived, you know,

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I lived in the best Western motel on North Davis highway across from the

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hospital and spent every day with the hospital.

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My broadcast people were, were tremendous to me.

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I ended up, you know, doing my morning sports shows.

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This happened in the late spring, early summer.

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I ended up doing my morning sports shows from my hotel room before I went over

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to the hospital room. But, and then the community support was just fabulous.

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We still run into 20 some years later,

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we still run into people who say, Hey, we prayed for you. We were,

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and, and we had, you know,

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people who just just stormed the Bastille in order to support us.

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And one of my favorite story is when I was doing

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Gemtown High School football playoffs,

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and they were really good back then,

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so they made the playoffs almost every year.

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But when we did a home football game,

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my favorite dessert is apple crisp.

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And the Gemtown High School cafeteria

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made homemade apple crisp, and I just, I loved it.

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So when we did home football games, home playoff games,

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the ladies in the cafeteria made a vat of apple crisp

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and put it in the press box for me.

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And it was up to me whether I shared it or not.

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Yeah. And you know, uh, I won't confess whether or not I actually did,

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but, um, it depends on whether Bob Nagel was there when Bob was there.

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I had no choice but to share his bigger than I am. But, um, but so

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when we are probably three weeks into our stay down in Pensacola,

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a FedEx box arrives with a return address, Jim town, high school cafeteria.

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And I'm going, Oh, whoa, here we go. And I saw, I opened it up.

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it's Rice Krispie Squares.

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But there's a note to explain that FedEx wouldn't ship the Apple,

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the Rice Krispie Squares. But that was,

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that that was kind of a, an indication of,

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of what Pat and I experienced from so far away,

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the hands of prayer that lifted us up, the support that we had.

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And what happened, Joel, is when I went back to broadcasting,

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it felt a little empty. It just felt like, you know, God,

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you did so much for me. If you want me to stay, I'll stay. But if you've got something

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else, okay. And it was, I had just begun then to start doing some of my community service.

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I was serving on the board at Basher. We were looking for a development director and the

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chairman of the board at that time, Earl Poorbaugh, we're in the middle of a discussion. He goes,

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you know, I know who would be perfect for this job. And like a guppy, I went, who? And

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finger and went, you. And it just sounded right.

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And I'll tell you what,

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that was such a great thing because I was able to do ministry.

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That's when I started preaching because I ended up getting my local pastor's

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license to speak in different churches that were supportive of Basher.

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We were able to do some really great things, refurbish the cottage.

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We built a new school and community center.

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I just felt like it was time for me to do something else that I was,

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I was called to do something else.

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And that experience at the children's home answered that call.

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I was able to see how God can really make a difference.

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And Clinton frame was one of those churches that came alongside and,

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and supported the children's home. And in, you know, all over the County,

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it was able, I was able to take my brand, if you will,

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or my name recognition and I carried it to Basher.

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And a year after I went to Basher, a fellow by the name of Don Phillips,

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came from New York to be the CEO. And he and I just,

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we had this wonderful time about a 10 year run of just tremendous,

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tremendous things that we could see God do on campus. And it was just a thrill.

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Yeah. That's amazing.

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But that's how I made the transformation.

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Yeah. Something completely unexpected to you.

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Oh yeah. I never would have said, Oh yeah, that's what I want to do next. Um,

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you know, and there's this, you know, kind of trite saying that, you know,

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that God doesn't call the qualified, he qualifies the called.

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And I was totally unqualified to go do fundraising and development at a nonprofit agency, especially

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the one the size at Basher.

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But when I went, there were people who came alongside me and of course they sent me to

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school and that kind of stuff.

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And so, you know, I ended up, you know, being a tool that God could use to help make a difference

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at the children's home.

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Yeah.

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I got, uh, I got a text from Sean McCrindle, currency over a Basher today.

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Vince, these are in Sean's own words,

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and you can even tell me more of the story.

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He says, this is what he says, he goes,

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"Vince is one of those foundational guys for our community.

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"He has been such a big part of making things better.

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"Wherever he goes, his heart for people and leadership

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"inspire me and many others."

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My favorite quote he told one of our kids was,

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"Look at your belly button.

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"It's not the center of the universe."

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(laughing)

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And then he encouraged him to go and serve with joy.

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I am tucking that one away.

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- That's a good one.

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- Yeah, that's one of a couple that I kinda coined

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when I was at the Children's Home.

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When I left the Children's Home

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00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:10,960
for the third of my three major careers,

467
00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:14,760
they gave me a plaque and it was the top 10 Vince sayings.

468
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,120
And it's one of those that still hangs around

469
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:19,980
either in my office or at home or wherever it happens to be

470
00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:22,940
but because of those things that, you know.

471
00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:25,840
- So I caught that you said three,

472
00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:27,080
you had your career changed.

473
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,140
What's next for you after that?

474
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,560
- Okay, and so then from the children's home,

475
00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:36,020
I met with a couple of guys from Muncie,

476
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,520
Dave Heater and Pat Botts from Mutual Bank at that time.

477
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:44,000
And they came up, and I assumed they were coming up

478
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,280
to talk about the building project

479
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,740
'cause Basher's Footprints extends all the way down

480
00:27:47,740 --> 00:27:49,019
to the Indianapolis area

481
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:51,880
and Mutual Bank was born, was birthed in Muncie.

482
00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:57,040
And we were about five or six minutes into the conversation

483
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,540
and I found out my assumptions were all wrong

484
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,920
'cause David looked at me and said,

485
00:28:01,270 --> 00:28:02,900
"Have you ever thought about banking?"

486
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,800
And I went, "No."

487
00:28:05,540 --> 00:28:06,060
(David and Aaron laughing)

488
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,920
And six weeks later, I was signing a letter of intent

489
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,460
and ended up becoming first a business development officer

490
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,920
and then the regional manager for Mutual Bank,

491
00:28:15,930 --> 00:28:18,240
which since got bought out after about,

492
00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:20,200
I was there about 12, 13 years.

493
00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:23,860
But that was another one of those things where, you know, you,

494
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:27,720
you just kind of wrestle. I understand what Jacob felt like now. And, you know,

495
00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:31,240
and I'm thankful that my hip doesn't hurt, but, but, um,

496
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,320
and, and tell a story on myself. I've got a good friend. His name is Rob Neal.

497
00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:39,400
He's a pastor in, it was in Upland at that time. And,

498
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,540
and I called him cause I was trying to, I felt called the basher,

499
00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:48,420
but I was intrigued with the opportunity and I really felt like, okay,

500
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:49,520
it's time to move on.

501
00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:53,880
Plus it looked like it was an opportunity for me to move toward the kids who live

502
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,260
in fair hope that we're going to go be by now lived in Indianapolis at the time.

503
00:28:57,260 --> 00:28:59,620
And we really thought Indianapolis would be a great place to live.

504
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,480
So I was kind of looking for a career path that would take me down there. So,

505
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,020
um, we were looking at that,

506
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,619
but I really hesitated because I had felt called by God

507
00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:16,580
to be at Basher and I didn't want to deny the call.

508
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,420
You know, the guy, the last guy that said no to God

509
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,460
lived in a fish for a while.

510
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,380
I didn't think that'd be a great place

511
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,480
to take up residence.

512
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,620
And so, but the banking opportunity

513
00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:28,860
was one of three different opportunities

514
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,620
that I had unsolicited when I was starting to think,

515
00:29:31,780 --> 00:29:33,860
you know, it might be time to do something else.

516
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:37,500
So I called Rob and Rob starts laughing at me

517
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,960
and I was angry.

518
00:29:39,580 --> 00:29:42,180
I was like, Rob, I'm pouring out my heart.

519
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,500
- I'm calling for help here, man.

520
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:44,300
- Yeah, what's your problem?

521
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:46,880
He goes, he said, Vince, you are the subject

522
00:29:47,030 --> 00:29:49,860
of every student pastor who's ever used

523
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:51,420
the guy on the roof story.

524
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:53,260
What?

525
00:29:53,270 --> 00:29:55,100
He goes, yeah, he says, you know that old story

526
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,180
that the floods are coming, the guy crawls on the roof,

527
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,980
a rowboat comes by and says, hey, come down, we'll take you.

528
00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:05,360
And he says, no, God's gonna save me.

529
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,880
And then a helicopter flies in and says,

530
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:09,780
"Hey, you know, we'll dangle the rope."

531
00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:11,760
And the guy says, "No, no, God's going to save me."

532
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,220
And well, and then sooner or later,

533
00:30:13,340 --> 00:30:15,360
the floodwaters rise up and the guy drowns.

534
00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:18,160
And he's standing in front of God soaking wet and said,

535
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,180
"God, I relied on you to save me."

536
00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:21,720
And God said, "I don't know what your problem was.

537
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,920
I sent you a boat and I sent you a helicopter."

538
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,540
So, and it's, so then it dawned on me.

539
00:30:25,540 --> 00:30:26,960
He said, "Vince, you're released."

540
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:27,700
- Yeah.

541
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,100
- You know, God wouldn't have sent you these opportunities

542
00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:30,980
if you weren't released.

543
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,020
So I had an opportunity to go to Mutual Bank

544
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,820
and had a great run there.

545
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:38,400
And then in 2020, there was a merger,

546
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,980
Northwest bought out Mutual.

547
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,360
And my bride at that time asked me to take a year off.

548
00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:46,100
My big concern, you know,

549
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:48,420
I knew they weren't gonna keep the executive team

550
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:50,080
when the merger happened.

551
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,140
And my bride asked me to take a year off

552
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,700
'cause that's also when COVID came.

553
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:57,000
And so I was probably under a little more stress

554
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,520
than I realized, but certainly Pat knew it.

555
00:31:00,260 --> 00:31:01,300
So I did. - As they do.

556
00:31:01,380 --> 00:31:04,020
- I made it about nine months.

557
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:07,740
And then Nick Kiefer at the Goshen Chamber of Commerce

558
00:31:07,940 --> 00:31:10,260
called me and we started talking

559
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,540
and they wanted to start a podcast program,

560
00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:13,280
The Sound of Goshen.

561
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:16,040
And they thought, hey, we'll get an old radio guy

562
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,980
who's not doing anything.

563
00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:20,520
Now what I really believe happened is that

564
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,560
after me being at nine months at home

565
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,300
and Pat looking at the prospect of three more months

566
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:28,580
of me being at home before this year off took place,

567
00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:30,880
I think she wrote Nick a check and said,

568
00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:36,040
Look, take him two days a week for as long as this money holds out.

569
00:31:36,380 --> 00:31:37,160
So, you know,

570
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:41,700
I came semi out of retirement to work as the communication specialist at the

571
00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:46,720
chamber of commerce doing the podcast and teaching the leadership class and that

572
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,020
kind of thing. And I've just had a tremendous, tremendous opportunity.

573
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:53,840
And the fulfillment that I've had over the last four and a half years has,

574
00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:58,020
has really been terrific. Nick's been a great guy to work with. And, and,

575
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:01,420
You know, so when you put all three of those things together,

576
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,180
when you take my journalism career, newspaper, radio,

577
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,400
and then you take the children's home,

578
00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:08,120
and then you take the bank,

579
00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:12,380
and my great loves were satisfied in all three of those.

580
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:15,820
All of them were ripe for natural curiosity.

581
00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:18,740
All of them gave you great opportunities

582
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:20,360
to intersect with people.

583
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:24,160
And all of them met that need I have inside

584
00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:26,920
to have a challenge, and banking especially,

585
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,020
Because, you know, when we sat down, when I did the business development thing for about

586
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,340
two years, and then Chuck Viator was the Northern Region president at the time.

587
00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:39,080
And he called me and, and you'll appreciate this, anybody who's ever gone through like,

588
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,780
you know, evaluations or whatever the case may be.

589
00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:46,700
But Chuck gives me a call and said, Hey, are you in Warsaw or Elkhart this Friday?

590
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,700
Because I had both Kosciuszko and Elkhart County.

591
00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:50,920
I said, Oh, I'm in Warsaw.

592
00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:54,040
He says, well, you know, let's pick a restaurant and let's meet Friday morning.

593
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:55,840
And I'm like, uh oh.

594
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,660
Yeah, that doesn't sound good.

595
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,740
No, no.

596
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,440
This is like right in the cusp of the financial crisis and everything else.

597
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:08,900
And, eh, we're meeting in a public place and it's on Friday morning and uh-huh.

598
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,120
Yeah. So I even told Pat, I said, Hey, you know, I might not come home with a job.

599
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,380
Yeah. You know, this is, you know, you need to be ready for this.

600
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:20,260
So, you know, Chuck outlines these things and, and then, uh, says,

601
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,280
uh, we want you to take over as regional manager. You know, Max is retiring.

602
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,560
And, you know, we want you to take the regional manager's job.

603
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,000
And this is how bad my filter is, because I looked at him when he asked that and I

604
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,320
go, I didn't apply for that.

605
00:33:33,860 --> 00:33:38,320
So he starts laughing and says, OK, you know, we understand, but, you know, we've

606
00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:42,080
watched you work and we think you'd be good at this and we think you'd enjoy it

607
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:45,840
and so on. So we go through all these things and finally agree.

608
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,820
And then Chuck says, oh, by the way, you need to go back to school.

609
00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:51,500
Oh, so.

610
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,560
So at age 54, I became the oldest person in the graduate banking program at the

611
00:33:56,740 --> 00:34:00,680
University of Wisconsin, but had a great time and a great time.

612
00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:04,680
By the way, the one thing that happened the first summer I went to Wisconsin,

613
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,960
when I was in Madison,

614
00:34:07,410 --> 00:34:12,120
I wanted to drive to Bloomington and apologize to all those people for thinking

615
00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:12,800
they were liberal.

616
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,480
Cause Madison, Wisconsin is a different planet.

617
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:28,980
Yes, well, and I think all of us as Midwesterners, we forget that like there are these cities that are that can be seemingly so different from the from the surrounding area.

618
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,580
Right. And I have I've experienced that as well.

619
00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:35,800
Bloomington is these these the blueberry in the strawberry pie.

620
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,520
That's funny. So, man, so, you know, Vince, I think you didn't think I'd ramble this much.

621
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,240
No, I love that. I love all of this.

622
00:34:45,419 --> 00:34:46,520
Great. It's great.

623
00:34:46,620 --> 00:34:47,700
This is going in the vault.

624
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,700
This is every people are like, if you're like, Hey, tell me more about Vince.

625
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,600
I'm like, here's the, here's the episode ready made.

626
00:34:54,740 --> 00:34:55,340
There you go.

627
00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:59,380
Um, you know, when you came to the chamber and you mentioned this,

628
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,700
like the thing that I, and my wife has said this,

629
00:35:03,740 --> 00:35:07,160
and I have seen more from a distance, but I, I've really, really appreciated is,

630
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:10,440
is your investment in young, in young leaders specifically. And, and I,

631
00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:18,260
it just seems to me like, I see that as being a real source of joy to enjoy to

632
00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:24,940
What's been your perspective and your approach and your goals in terms of working with young

633
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:28,460
leaders and the kind of in our business from that chamber side, but in kind of business,

634
00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:34,080
the business world, when you're, because you've done these kind of cohorts, essentially, kind

635
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:34,980
of these leadership cohorts.

636
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:38,060
What's the, what has been the dream for that?

637
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,800
What really kind of inspired you to make that kind of investment?

638
00:35:41,860 --> 00:35:47,200
Well, Nick Kiefer gets the credit for, you know, creating the concept and trying to work

639
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,620
hard to make things happen. And then,

640
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,140
but the great thing about it from my perspective was he gave me this outline

641
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:53,940
of what he wanted to see happen. And then he said,

642
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:57,760
you just color in whatever fits your personality with how you fit the needs and

643
00:35:57,780 --> 00:35:59,420
everything else. You know, my,

644
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,060
my favorite biblical character is John Mark and,

645
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:08,620
and then kind of by assimilation, Barnabas.

646
00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:12,600
Barnabas was the encourager and, you know,

647
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:19,680
Mark is my favorite gospel because Mark is filled with these stories where people had an encounter

648
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:27,640
with Jesus Christ. But that encounter was the fodder for that encounter was something they did.

649
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:33,020
It was initiative that they took, whether it's the woman who reached out and touched the hem of

650
00:36:33,060 --> 00:36:37,500
his garment, or whether it was Jarius who sought out Christ and said, you know, Hey, my daughter,

651
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,060
Or the, you know, the, the four men who lowered,

652
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:43,760
I love the story of the faith of the four,

653
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,060
they lowered the paralytic before Jesus, you know,

654
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:49,320
think about the building committee when the roof got a hole torn in it and they

655
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,480
didn't care. So, but that impetus then, you know, as I,

656
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,460
as because Marcus is such a wonderful book for me,

657
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,880
I started trying to learn a little bit more about John Mark.

658
00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:07,100
And in one of the things about John Mark was he had somebody who built into him

659
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:14,200
And that was Barnabas to the point where Barnabas and Paul even strained their relationship

660
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:20,780
over John Mark, you know, John Mark, um, scripture is not really clear on it,

661
00:37:20,860 --> 00:37:24,680
but he messed up somewhere. And Paul, when they got ready to take another journey,

662
00:37:24,860 --> 00:37:29,180
Paul's like, nah, I'm not taking that guy. Yeah. He's a little bit like the Mark back there.

663
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:37,100
And, um, and sorry, it was just too easy. Um, but so, and Barnabas said, no, no, no, no. We're,

664
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,980
you know, he, he deserves to be with us. And Paul was adamant.

665
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:43,500
And so Paul and Silas went one way and,

666
00:37:43,820 --> 00:37:46,540
and Barnabas and John Mark went the other,

667
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,120
but it's really interesting because there's a piece in Timothy,

668
00:37:50,260 --> 00:37:51,540
just one of these little tiny,

669
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,680
and I love these little nuggets that are in scripture that you can read past 20

670
00:37:55,780 --> 00:38:00,160
times. And then, but the 21st time it's like, Whoa. So in,

671
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,900
in Paul's letter from prison to Timothy,

672
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,260
and he talks about being pretty much alone and, you know,

673
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,340
So bring this person, bring that person. He said, bring John Mark,

674
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,820
because he is useful to me.

675
00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:15,380
So because of the effort that Barnabas put into John Mark,

676
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,260
even Paul came around. So that's my goal.

677
00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:22,720
When you talk about being able to build into young people,

678
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,700
my goal is to be Barnabas. I want to help people understand,

679
00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:28,220
young people,

680
00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:36,340
especially understand the special gifts that God has put in them and then give

681
00:38:36,340 --> 00:38:43,360
succeed. That's amazing. And when that happens, that's when I take great pride. Yeah. Yeah.

682
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:49,500
What, what for you has been sort of the approach in sort of uncovering those, those things

683
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,600
that I know that, you know, so many, so many young professionals today, I mean, we, Andy

684
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,020
and I talk about, and we have a whole conversation around kind of the emerging generation and

685
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,500
concerns that we, I mean, concerns that we have in terms of them entering the marketplace

686
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:08,220
and, and, you know, skill set development and kind of awarenesses and kind of the EQ

687
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,540
development and all of that.

688
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,280
What, what has been, when you're thinking about like specifically how you've gone about

689
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:21,460
making those investments, is there, is there skill sets that we need to be talking about

690
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:22,860
with young, with young professionals?

691
00:39:23,180 --> 00:39:24,540
Are there awarenesses?

692
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,760
Like, what has kind of risen to the top for you and your, and your concern?

693
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,400
Well, the, the first thing I had to do is make sure I was tuned in.

694
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:36,220
You know, it's, you can't be a coach if you don't know how well you coach and what it's

695
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:37,780
like to be a player and so on.

696
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,060
So the thing I had to do was learn to listen.

697
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,680
And as you guys have found out in the last 35 minutes or whatever, that's not one of

698
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:51,300
my best skills, but, but so I had to learn to listen and, and be able to absorb that.

699
00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:54,120
But so then what I did there is I went back to my roots.

700
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,300
You know, I told you I'm a naturally curious person.

701
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,680
So I just want, I got naturally curious about each person that was in the cohort or in the

702
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:07,980
Academy. I wanted to hear their story. I wanted to, you know, tell me where you were at, you

703
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:14,980
know, help me understand. And as far as skill sets, um, I think the biggest thing, I think

704
00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:22,760
there's two things. Um, one is, and I go back to my sports days this way and you know, we

705
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:29,820
get so hung up on having to succeed every single time. But do you realize that we put

706
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,260
people in baseball's hall of fame who fail 70% of the time.

707
00:40:34,410 --> 00:40:34,800
That's right.

708
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:37,360
I mean, 300 hitters are considered the gold standard.

709
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,920
What that means is that 70% of the time they didn't get a hit.

710
00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:47,120
They didn't do anything, but they made the 30 out of 100 count.

711
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:53,720
And so if you can get people to see that they don't have to succeed every time, but they

712
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,420
do need to learn something.

713
00:40:55,460 --> 00:40:57,980
And you watch the great hitters in Major League Baseball.

714
00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:02,660
And if a pitcher gets them out with a slider down and in

715
00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:06,780
the first time up, guess what happens the second and third time?

716
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,960
They lay off the slider down and in because they've learned from that experience.

717
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,100
And then when the pitcher goes to a pitch, he didn't necessarily want to throw.

718
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:19,560
That's when they stroke it out in the gap and drive in two runs with a bases loaded

719
00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:21,500
double or whatever the case may be.

720
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:26,500
So getting, getting people to quit putting so much pressure on themselves is one.

721
00:41:27,419 --> 00:41:31,560
But the other thing then is I, I go back to the, to the John Mark Marnavis

722
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,200
experience. Not all of us were meant to be Paul.

723
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,920
Not all of us were meant to be the guy in charge,

724
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,340
but all of us can be Barnabas. All of us can be the encourager.

725
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,620
All of us can be the cheerleader. All of us, those could be, you know,

726
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:49,740
to come alongside. So my mantra, when I was at the bank and,

727
00:41:49,820 --> 00:41:52,560
and when I was managing and when I was working with people,

728
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:57,600
my mantra was that I wanted to do the same thing with everybody in every job

729
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,220
description. The first thing I wanted to do was teach.

730
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,700
You have to be able to outline to people. You have, you know,

731
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,880
you need to know the basics.

732
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,500
You got to understand what it is we expect from you.

733
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:11,980
The other thing is I think we need to coach, you know,

734
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,760
once we've taught you the basics,

735
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:17,260
then we need to coach you on how to implement those basics in the way that it

736
00:42:17,180 --> 00:42:21,680
best benefits the organization and helps you to grow as well.

737
00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:24,480
Unfortunately, I think in today's world,

738
00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:29,000
the thing we leave off is what I think is the third and maybe the most important

739
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,080
of what I consider that trio and that's cheerlead.

740
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:37,060
I really believe that you need to, and that's what I try to do with the cohorts.

741
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,420
I tried to get everybody to believe in themselves by cheering on the things that

742
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,160
they talked about and that, that they were trying to go for. And,

743
00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:48,540
And I think that's, and I, I take that translation into,

744
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:49,880
even into our faith life.

745
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,960
We we've got great teachers in our congregations and in our

746
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,840
churches, and certainly in our pulpits,

747
00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:00,600
we've got great teachers who put their hearts and soul into teaching.

748
00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:05,960
And we've even got people within the church that are pretty good coaches,

749
00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:06,580
you know,

750
00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:10,040
whether they're Sunday school leaders or people who serve on the board or

751
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,220
whatever, in my opinion, and it's just my opinion,

752
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:15,940
I don't mean this as a criticism, but in my opinion, where,

753
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,980
where congregations really, I don't want to say fail,

754
00:43:19,060 --> 00:43:21,200
cause it's too strong a word, but where they,

755
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:26,260
where they don't maximize what those first two things bring is we're really

756
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,040
lousy cheerleaders. You know, we're, we're not very good at saying, man,

757
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,840
we saw that we've seen your progress. You know, we've seen going to the,

758
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,660
going to the couple that was struggling and then seeing

759
00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:43,520
And then seeing little things, and again,

760
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:47,280
I'm naturally curious, so I'll be in a church setting

761
00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:49,820
sometimes and I'll know that maybe six months ago

762
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:51,180
that couple was really struggling,

763
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,020
and man, they were on the precipice.

764
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,620
And then six months later, you see them sitting

765
00:43:57,980 --> 00:43:59,640
in a pew or in a chair or whatever,

766
00:44:00,980 --> 00:44:03,840
and she's got her head laying on his shoulder

767
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:05,840
and he's gently stroking her hair.

768
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:09,700
I need to say something.

769
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,500
- Yeah, right.

770
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,960
And I don't, and not in the way it's good.

771
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,520
- I couldn't help but notice the two of you

772
00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:17,160
were pretty cozy.

773
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:19,200
- A little PDA going on there or whatever.

774
00:44:19,340 --> 00:44:21,440
Or, wow, you guys were on the rocks

775
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,020
and now it looks like you're gonna be okay.

776
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,500
No, I just, you know, I'll say something

777
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:28,140
and sometimes it'll be just maybe to the guy in private

778
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,160
and I'll just go, man, you know what I loved

779
00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:31,160
about today's service?

780
00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:32,880
It had nothing to do with the sermon,

781
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,320
had nothing to do with the music.

782
00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:37,040
I saw how you were loving on your wife.

783
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,920
Man, that just inspired me.

784
00:44:39,060 --> 00:44:40,380
And I'm gonna go home and do the same.

785
00:44:40,580 --> 00:44:41,320
- Yeah, yeah.

786
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:44,380
- So if in all of our aspects,

787
00:44:44,540 --> 00:44:46,920
and I know that was a long way of answering your question,

788
00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:49,460
but one of the things that I really try to do

789
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,440
is I try to be a cheerleader.

790
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,480
I want, you know, I hope people feel better

791
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:55,180
after they've been with me for a little bit.

792
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,220
I really do.

793
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:57,400
I hope they feel better,

794
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:59,500
but I hope they feel better for the right reasons.

795
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:03,160
And that's because the spirit of God flows through me

796
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:06,240
and my enthusiasm flows out.

797
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:08,120
And they just say, you know,

798
00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:10,000
hey, that was kind of fun being around Vince.

799
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:13,580
Yeah, yeah, so we would be remiss if

800
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:22,160
We didn't have the discussion around your better half and this person because you

801
00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:30,420
You have identified Pat as this really formational person in your life the the years before her and then after her

802
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,380
Tell us tell us about I mean tell us about your relationship tell us about what

803
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:43,380
What that has what that has done for you because I get I get a sense that you're a different man today

804
00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:50,960
Than you were because of her the work that God has done and the work that God used Pat to do as I hope

805
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:54,360
Well, I believe has has made a tremendous difference

806
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,260
I just wasn't a really good person for the early part of my career

807
00:45:59,260 --> 00:46:05,220
I just was and it wasn't that I was this, you know evil guy or whatever. I was just centered on Vince

808
00:46:05,140 --> 00:46:09,380
I mean I was the president of the Vince Turner fan club and

809
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:12,420
And and that self-centeredness

810
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,100
You know it it cost me a marriage

811
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,780
It it probably hurt at least in the initial

812
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,420
Years hurt my relationship or impeded my relationship with my children

813
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:30,540
I know there are some people for every person that you may say hey

814
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:35,040
Vince is a great guy you can find some people to go offence you know and

815
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:42,380
So you know after I went through you know the marriage thing, and I'm sitting in the barber chair

816
00:46:43,630 --> 00:46:46,600
I don't know how many people know Doug Schaefer used to have Doug sports cut oh, yeah

817
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:51,599
Oh, yeah, and Doug's been a friend forever. He's cut my hair ever since I've been in the media and

818
00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:59,480
He's I'm sitting in the barber chair, and he says Vince. Are you dating anybody? I said no and leave me alone

819
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:00,660
I'm not interested.

820
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,920
And if you know Doug at all,

821
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,300
you know Doug's not gonna let go.

822
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,500
And he kind of kept on and said,

823
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,720
"Hey, I know this girl and I think she'd be special for you."

824
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:17,520
And I'm like, "Okay, the only way that I'm gonna get

825
00:47:17,580 --> 00:47:19,620
"my hair cut is if I agree, I'll call."

826
00:47:20,380 --> 00:47:20,480
(laughing)

827
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:21,440
So I said, "Okay, Doug."

828
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,020
I said, "I'll tell you what, you talk to her

829
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:25,480
"and if she's interested, I'll call."

830
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,680
The story's much better when Pat's here

831
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,700
to tell her half of it.

832
00:47:29,060 --> 00:47:30,600
We may have to get you guys some time.

833
00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:34,600
Because this other half of it is she just tells it so much better.

834
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:41,980
But Benjamin, our son, she brought Benjamin in for his haircut.

835
00:47:42,420 --> 00:47:45,880
And Doug's kind of hemming and hawing and looking over at Pat while she's cutting on

836
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:46,620
Benjamin's hair.

837
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:48,740
And Pat, are you seeing anybody?

838
00:47:49,380 --> 00:47:51,400
And Pat said her first thing was she panicked.

839
00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:52,960
Because she's like, Doug, you're married.

840
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:53,500
Yeah, yeah.

841
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:54,620
What are you asking for?

842
00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:55,800
And you know, what are you asking for this?

843
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,820
And he's like, no, no, no, no, no.

844
00:47:57,180 --> 00:48:00,060
I just know this guy and I think you two would be special together."

845
00:48:00,540 --> 00:48:05,960
Well, so, you know, they're going on and he's kind of trying to feel her out a little bit.

846
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,940
And so he wants her to see a picture of me.

847
00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:11,700
So you know, say, "Well, you know, he's not a troll.

848
00:48:11,860 --> 00:48:14,260
He's not, you know, he's not like Mark.

849
00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:16,680
He's not in the cave eating Cheetos and you know, whatever."

850
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,660
And, you know, and, and so he, he had a picture.

851
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,500
He and Jamie Moyer and I were friends and Jamie Moyer was pitching major league baseball

852
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:29,460
at the time. At that time he was married to Digerfeld's daughter and they lived in the

853
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:32,860
South Bend area during the offseason. So the three of us did some things together and we

854
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,960
happened to have a picture, Doug happened to have a picture of them. So he shows the

855
00:48:37,020 --> 00:48:41,600
picture. Well, Benjamin's like, "Mom, he knows Jamie Moyer. He knows him. And so you got

856
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:50,200
to go out with him." So I agreed to call and then we agreed to meet. And guys, I know this.

857
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,100
I mean, it sounds like a rom-com. It sounds like I should be Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan be

858
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:58,120
walking in somewhere, I know this, but I'm telling you, I mean I'm absolutely

859
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:01,380
telling you, it was in the old townhouse restaurant and they used to have those

860
00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:05,220
double doors where you could come in this way and we had told each other I'll

861
00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:10,120
be wearing a blue jacket, she was wearing a red jacket and you know so I opened

862
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:15,220
the doors, we opened the doors simultaneously from opposite ends and

863
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:20,020
I'm like hey red and she's high blue. Guys you could have knocked me over.

864
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:26,840
Mmm-hmm I just I mean I was smitten mm-hmm I was smitten, but it was funny then cuz the first words out of her mouth

865
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:32,380
Was I don't want a relationship my first reaction was my first reaction was who asked yeah

866
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:39,280
Even though I was thinking you know that yes, there's something special. There's something right so we started

867
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:46,560
We started talking and we you know went out a couple of times and whatever and I just so then there was this phone call

868
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,020
and we're talking and

869
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:54,100
She says, "Well, you know, I've been thinking and I'm, and I'm,

870
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,740
and so I'm trying to coax it out." And she says, "Well, I just,

871
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,660
I just wonder what it would be like for us to be..." You know? And I'm,

872
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,540
so I'm on the other phone going, "Yeah!" But then what do I do?

873
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,400
Cause I can't say, well,

874
00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:10,680
I've been thinking that right from the start because it sounds like the line of

875
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:15,120
all lines, you know, I'd be the John Lovett's, you know? And, um,

876
00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:18,300
but you know, in a, in a short matter of time, um,

877
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:23,840
We ended up getting married and and where Pat helped change my life is

878
00:50:25,420 --> 00:50:27,680
She accepted me for me

879
00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:31,180
loved me unconditionally and

880
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:35,940
Did things to help me grow that sound like anybody else, you know

881
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,740
Some guy named Jesus. Mm-hmm, but

882
00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:44,520
But she did it in such a way that was just such a lift

883
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:47,640
And and the pressure was off

884
00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:50,620
And the pressure, I didn't have to prove anything.

885
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,140
And, and we just started,

886
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,400
and then I saw just the pureness of her heart and to be able to,

887
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,540
to just to, to follow that. And then I,

888
00:51:01,620 --> 00:51:06,240
so then that was a challenge for my faith life because I had plenty up here and

889
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:07,600
didn't have enough down here.

890
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:11,640
And then when she went through the illness, Guillain-Barre,

891
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,120
that's when it went, you know,

892
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:21,580
I'm dropped from from my head to my heart and I've said this and it hasn't changed my goal in my

893
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:27,940
Pursuit of God is to be close enough on that road to Pat that I can at least see her tail lights

894
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:31,420
She is an amazing mother

895
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:38,300
She is a meemaw is the term we use down south and she is a fabulous meemaw

896
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,100
She's also and sometimes this is a little bit of frustration, but it's also whoo-hoo

897
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:50,900
Magnet hmm if there's anybody anywhere anytime that desperately needs help they will find Pat yeah

898
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,700
Sometimes to my frustration

899
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:58,640
But they will find Pat and she has a heart as big as a beach ball that she'll reach out for him and that has

900
00:51:59,260 --> 00:52:04,140
That has changed my life. God used Pat to get ahold of me. Yeah, that's amazing

901
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:09,820
Yeah, Pat's so Pat was an educate was an educator right and then has been

902
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,000
Word word has it on the street

903
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:17,440
I think everybody, at least in this community, knows a an A1, very dedicated volunteer.

904
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:18,060
Yes.

905
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:23,980
And in recent years, continue to invest in children, continuing to mentor and in care.

906
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,700
And I think especially through our local Boys and Girls Club.

907
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:37,160
And so I I just it seems that the two of you have this this element of of service has really

908
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,100
been the mark of your of your life here in recent years in particular.

909
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,820
Do you do you guys like I don't know do you do you find ways to serve together or are

910
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,740
you do you kind of do it.

911
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:53,480
But we also we are we are very different.

912
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:55,900
That just you know God had a sense of humor.

913
00:52:57,180 --> 00:52:58,900
We're going to put him and her together.

914
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:00,460
Come here angels.

915
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:01,540
Let's watch this.

916
00:53:01,860 --> 00:53:06,000
I mean seriously we are about as different in some ways as you could possibly imagine.

917
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,200
I love it big, the bigger, the better. Pat likes it small.

918
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,140
I like it loud as you can probably tell she likes it quiet.

919
00:53:13,420 --> 00:53:18,200
I like my meat medium, rare or rare. She likes her as medium.

920
00:53:18,340 --> 00:53:21,440
Well, you know, all the way down this list, but where we're together,

921
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,760
we're together for a love of God. We're together for a love of our, uh, uh,

922
00:53:25,780 --> 00:53:27,000
our children and our grandchildren.

923
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,600
We are together for a love of community and where we have the opportunity we

924
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:33,600
serve together. Um, but,

925
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,100
But what we do is sometimes we'll run parallel lines and I'm serving over here.

926
00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:41,800
I get did a lot on the board and administratively for the Boys and Girls Club.

927
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,540
And Kevin Deary used me until, you know, it kind of rode me hard and put me away

928
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:51,120
away. And Pat did the one on one thing and and worked with young people

929
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,200
and made a difference there. So, yeah, there there have been times when we do it

930
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,080
together, but there are also times when we do it simultaneously rather than together.

931
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:05,220
So our mutual friend, Tammy Hicks, president CEO of Boys and Girls Club, Alcart County.

932
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,560
And it never tells the truth.

933
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,880
Yeah. So she this is this is her story. She's sticking to it.

934
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,200
Tammy's re she reached out to me and I'm so grateful that she shared that. She said

935
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:20,960
Vince has been a cornerstone of the Boys and Girls Club of Alcart County for more than 20 years.

936
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,140
His impact is woven into nearly every part of our organization, from the stage,

937
00:54:26,140 --> 00:54:33,380
the clubs to the statehouse. Vince has graciously emceed our events for two decades, being heart,

938
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:38,400
humor, and I've seen that I think of bids for kids, for instance, events. I've whenever I just

939
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:44,000
enjoy watching that whole, you get up there and do your thing. Yeah. Bringing heart, humor,

940
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:50,020
and purpose to every room that he steps into. He has shown up year after year at our golf outings,

941
00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:54,940
supported our teams, and poured his time and energy into mentoring the kids who need it most.

942
00:54:55,420 --> 00:55:00,140
Vince has been a dedicated coach for our the Youth of the Year teens.

943
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:00,940
OK, yeah.

944
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,340
Helping them find their voice, tell their stories and step confidently

945
00:55:04,350 --> 00:55:04,820
into leadership.

946
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,460
Beyond that, he has been a powerful advocate for our mission

947
00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:12,240
at the legislative front, which, interestingly enough, ensuring that our needs,

948
00:55:12,620 --> 00:55:15,040
the needs of young people in our community are heard about and understood.

949
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,400
And then, of course, Tammy says we are equally grateful

950
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,559
for his beautiful bride, Pat, whose presence at the Ghostian Club

951
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,840
has been nothing short of an amazing blessing.

952
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,240
She's volunteered countless hours tutoring, mentoring and investing in our kids.

953
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:33,400
And her kindness has touched families and staff alike.

954
00:55:33,820 --> 00:55:37,520
Together, Vince and his wife embody what it means to champion youth,

955
00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:39,940
which I am deeply, deeply passionate about as well.

956
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,500
Their commitment, compassion and unwavering support

957
00:55:45,020 --> 00:55:46,980
has helped shape the lives of hundreds of young people

958
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,320
and strengthen the very foundation of our clubs.

959
00:55:49,610 --> 00:55:53,220
We are deeply grateful for everything they have given.

960
00:55:53,300 --> 00:55:57,140
To boys and girls clubs of Elkhart County. I was very kind words. So just what I

961
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,840
Again, I literally, you know, sometimes I reach out to my my nonprofit executive friends and I'll be like, hey

962
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:04,760
Can I get this from you?

963
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,780
It'll be like it'll be like a few days because they're busy people whatever no one

964
00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:13,840
It's like they stopped what they did and they were like I needed to say this about vents

965
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:20,040
They wasted zero time. So I know that it was this was a real blessing for them for both

966
00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:24,520
Tammy and Sean to be able to reply to just I think again

967
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:33,380
You know when you talk about Pat this is a this is a one flesh to become one sort of sort of

968
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,480
initiative here and I just I love I love seeing I

969
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,680
Just I love seeing the impact that you have that you have made and I I think

970
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:49,160
You know Vince when we ask we talk about legacy because I mean those are those are words now that you get to I guess

971
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,420
we get to use that, you know, I always talk about, uh,

972
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:56,180
he just called me old legacy.

973
00:56:56,620 --> 00:56:58,940
Cause like in development world, when you're talking about legacy gifts,

974
00:56:58,980 --> 00:57:02,060
it's always like we are talking about people that are of a certain age or a

975
00:57:02,060 --> 00:57:04,500
certain place in their life. Like, what do you want to leave behind?

976
00:57:04,510 --> 00:57:06,920
And it's like, well, they're not dead yet. But, um,

977
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:11,780
when you think about the word legacy and what, and what you're hoping,

978
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,180
what you're hoping marks, uh, your experience interaction with this community,

979
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,620
what, what is, what is that? What do you desire?

980
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:27,040
My all-time favorite quote outside of Scripture was the words that Edward Kennedy used at

981
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,380
Robert Kennedy's eulogy.

982
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:37,620
That he said were words that, and I think he attributed to Senator Kennedy, you know,

983
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:38,840
as something he lived by.

984
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:43,040
And that was, "Some men see things as they are and ask why.

985
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,940
I dream things that never were and ask why not."

986
00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:49,900
If I leave any kind of a legacy,

987
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,720
that's the legacy I hope I've left.

988
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:54,720
That I looked at the world, looked at our community,

989
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,860
or even looked at one-on-one relationships

990
00:57:58,020 --> 00:58:00,000
and just said, "Why not?

991
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,520
"Why not make this happen?"

992
00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:04,360
I love it, beautiful.

993
00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:06,440
- So you and Pat are moving.

994
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,680
Pat's already moved.

995
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:08,020
- Yep.

996
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,780
- What's next for Vince and Pat?

997
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:13,440
- For me, it's to breathe a little bit.

998
00:58:14,780 --> 00:58:17,380
I've spent 40 years building the brand

999
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:19,580
and in the spotlight and those kinds of things.

1000
00:58:19,660 --> 00:58:21,680
And you never say never, you know, it's, you know,

1001
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,880
God's gotten ahold of me and shook me before.

1002
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,400
But one thing I'm hoping right now,

1003
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:27,880
the number one thing I hope, you know,

1004
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,800
I told you my grandson's gonna be playing football

1005
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,820
at Fairhope, already is playing football,

1006
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:33,540
but I'll get to see his last two seasons.

1007
00:58:34,060 --> 00:58:35,820
I wanna be the old guy in a ball cap,

1008
00:58:36,819 --> 00:58:38,220
sitting on the metal bleachers,

1009
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:42,240
watching practice and not saying a word.

1010
00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:45,320
And I know there are people who, what Vince?

1011
00:58:45,460 --> 00:58:47,760
No, I can't say a word, but I just,

1012
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,400
I want to be that guy who just silently watches and soaks it in and cheers on my

1013
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,040
grandson. And then,

1014
00:58:54,180 --> 00:58:59,240
but I'm also open to whatever happens when we get down there and we'll be ready.

1015
00:58:59,620 --> 00:59:02,940
And the other golden part is because, because we're a blended family,

1016
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:06,380
because we both had already kind of established our career paths and everything,

1017
00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:06,780
you know,

1018
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:09,920
Pat and I hit the decks running and have just been running ever since.

1019
00:59:10,660 --> 00:59:14,420
This is a time where we can press the reset button together

1020
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,060
and learn to do things together all over again.

1021
00:59:19,220 --> 00:59:21,240
And you asked a very poignant question

1022
00:59:21,380 --> 00:59:23,220
about how many things do you do together.

1023
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,880
And I confess that a lot of what we did

1024
00:59:26,940 --> 00:59:28,560
was parallel or simultaneously.

1025
00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:30,920
This is an opportunity now to find things

1026
00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:32,960
that we'll actually do together

1027
00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:35,420
and be able to do those things.

1028
00:59:35,900 --> 00:59:36,100
- Love it.

1029
00:59:36,580 --> 00:59:41,060
We're excited to see the new Turner chapter.

1030
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:42,060
- There you go, absolutely.

1031
00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:43,200
- Yeah, that's awesome.

1032
00:59:43,820 --> 00:59:49,540
Well Vince, first of all, immensely honored that you would just share your story and share

1033
00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:50,160
your experience.

1034
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:53,640
I am beyond grateful that you're here.

1035
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:59,720
We however can never release any of our guests from the show before the final.

1036
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,580
- Now it's time for dudes and dads pop quiz.

1037
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:03,040
- Thank you.

1038
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,120
- Pop quiz, here we go.

1039
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:05,140
- Pop quiz.

1040
01:00:05,820 --> 01:00:11,960
Which yeah if you've never joined us before it's the time we get to pepper vent Vince with just questions that have nothing to do

1041
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,680
With anything then just to get to know him better. Yeah, Joel. Do you want to go first? You know I I do

1042
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:19,700
and

1043
01:00:20,180 --> 01:00:23,460
It's which is interesting with Vince is that some of these pop quiz questions

1044
01:00:23,460 --> 01:00:28,300
I was thinking about asking there. I realized that they were like like super deep and intentional

1045
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,700
Yeah, and I was like well. We'll see how deep and intentional our conversation is

1046
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:35,520
- Let's start it up, okay.

1047
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,360
This is actually, so this is like a,

1048
01:00:37,580 --> 01:00:39,680
this is midway somewhere in the middle.

1049
01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:45,040
Vince, talk to me about a book or a collection of writings

1050
01:00:45,260 --> 01:00:47,480
that has been most impactful for you.

1051
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,920
- The Ragamuffin Gospel by Brennan Manning.

1052
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,660
That's where Rich Mullins got the ragamuffin bang.

1053
01:00:54,020 --> 01:00:56,960
The Ragamuffin Gospel kind of boiled down for me

1054
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,780
theology in its very simplest terms,

1055
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,420
that no matter what you've done,

1056
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:04,260
no matter how you've done it, you are loved.

1057
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,180
and God has a way of making a difference in your life.

1058
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:08,160
The ragamuffin gospel.

1059
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:08,680
Beautiful.

1060
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:09,940
- Awesome, that's great.

1061
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,300
So if you had somebody that followed you around all the time

1062
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,300
and did something for you, like an assistant,

1063
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:17,240
what would you have them do?

1064
01:01:18,580 --> 01:01:20,340
- I'd probably put them in charge of something.

1065
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:21,520
(laughing)

1066
01:01:21,980 --> 01:01:22,760
Because it's what I do.

1067
01:01:23,380 --> 01:01:26,880
I try to raise people up to be able to move ahead of me

1068
01:01:26,970 --> 01:01:28,040
rather than one behind me.

1069
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,060
But if I had like a personal assistant or whatever,

1070
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:38,560
They would lead me to some of the best restaurants in in Fairhope and Baldwin County in the Gulf area

1071
01:01:38,780 --> 01:01:41,720
Oh there we go it would take me here show me where to eat

1072
01:01:42,580 --> 01:01:47,760
So we got to find Bubba Joe or whoever it is down there. Yeah, yeah, so on that on that note Vince

1073
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,720
What's what's the best thing you've ever eaten?

1074
01:01:52,020 --> 01:01:53,400
My favorite food is asparagus

1075
01:02:01,980 --> 01:02:02,460
What

1076
01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:07,460
Icebreakers yeah for our cohort or whatever and one of the things that put his favorite food now always go

1077
01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:12,380
Oh my favorite foods asparagus everybody goes you what yeah, but that's my favorite food

1078
01:02:14,660 --> 01:02:14,720
I

1079
01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:17,280
Don't know if I could boil it to one thing

1080
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:23,260
I mean, I love I love good pasta, but probably my favorite food is cerulean restaurant in Warsaw

1081
01:02:23,540 --> 01:02:27,380
Yeah, I'm is probably my favorite place to eat wonderful. I'm gonna go the opposite of that

1082
01:02:27,780 --> 01:02:30,940
What's the thing that no one else should eat ever again?

1083
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,520
Don't ever don't you like don't even don't even shake my hand if you like liver and onions

1084
01:02:36,460 --> 01:02:37,380
Alright, we're good

1085
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,480
So okay, so once mark gets set up with this is

1086
01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:45,520
We get him set up. I

1087
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,040
Need to find out if people are still eating liver and onions

1088
01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:52,400
Oh, they do in is this if it's an actual thing still because

1089
01:02:53,860 --> 01:02:57,760
I'll check let me check that right now, so like yeah, cuz I I just go

1090
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,560
I have never encountered it.

1091
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,340
I have never been offered it, but maybe I have just been fortunate to avoid it so far.

1092
01:03:04,420 --> 01:03:06,300
And according to Vince, that is the case.

1093
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:14,500
Okay, Vince, let's say, we'll just do the classic, you're stranded on a deserted island

1094
01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:16,900
and you get to have three things with you.

1095
01:03:17,580 --> 01:03:18,200
What are you going to have?

1096
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,200
- I'm going to have my bride.

1097
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:19,820
- Yes.

1098
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,240
- Or is that the definition of stranded that I can't have anybody else?

1099
01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:24,940
But I'd want my bride.

1100
01:03:25,780 --> 01:03:26,540
I'd want my Bible.

1101
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,520
I'd like at least one Beatles album.

1102
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:30,860
Oh, okay.

1103
01:03:31,030 --> 01:03:31,180
Wow.

1104
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,380
The Beatles will get him through.

1105
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:34,040
All right.

1106
01:03:34,420 --> 01:03:34,800
That's beautiful.

1107
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:35,660
I don't know.

1108
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:36,440
Sure.

1109
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:37,340
Yeah.

1110
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:38,260
Oh man.

1111
01:03:38,620 --> 01:03:39,180
That's got me laughing.

1112
01:03:39,180 --> 01:03:40,280
I can't think of another question.

1113
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:47,600
Um, we'll go with, um, what's one thing that most people don't know about you?

1114
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:55,320
Ah, that I, I think more people are picking up on it, but I, I also as noisy as I am and

1115
01:03:55,160 --> 01:04:02,080
as loquacious as I am and I do value private time and my favorite thing to do is walk.

1116
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:09,160
I walk all over Goshen and I enjoy that time, that hour and a half or whatever that I'm

1117
01:04:09,260 --> 01:04:15,000
just either have music in my ears or a book on tape in ears and I enjoy the private time.

1118
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,120
I think people sometimes are surprised by that.

1119
01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:18,120
Yeah.

1120
01:04:20,020 --> 01:04:22,640
Vince, if there's one new hobby you could pick up, what would it be?

1121
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:29,580
A new hobby hmm. I'd love to learn to play the piano. Oh, okay, nice

1122
01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:34,520
I failed miserably with Sheldon Bixler and the choir, and I love music

1123
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:40,500
I mean I have music around me all the time. I think I'd like to learn to play the piano listen well

1124
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,860
You have successfully passed the dudes and dads

1125
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:45,880
Even with asparagus

1126
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,580
I like a spare are you grading on the curve what we'll see is I like a spare when we go to the YouTube

1127
01:04:51,580 --> 01:04:53,280
but we'll see if our viewership just tanked

1128
01:04:54,370 --> 01:04:55,340
as soon as he shared that.

1129
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:56,180
It's hard to say.

1130
01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:57,200
- I like it.

1131
01:04:57,210 --> 01:04:58,420
The thing I don't like about asparagus

1132
01:04:58,570 --> 01:04:59,960
is the next day when you're--

1133
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:00,540
- When your pee smells weird?

1134
01:05:00,540 --> 01:05:01,580
- When your peeing smells weird.

1135
01:05:02,780 --> 01:05:06,140
- So full disclosure, this really is a dudes and dads podcast.

1136
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,160
- I think this is family safe.

1137
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,520
I have had the experience where I have forgotten

1138
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:14,940
that I have eaten asparagus.

1139
01:05:15,330 --> 01:05:15,420
- Mark.

1140
01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:18,260
- Yeah, there's a quote where I've forgotten

1141
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,020
that I have eaten asparagus

1142
01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:22,080
And then I am like, you're surprised.

1143
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:23,440
You're like, Oh no, what's wrong?

1144
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:24,140
And they're like, Oh right.

1145
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:24,980
Yeah, that's right.

1146
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:26,220
I forgot what I had for dinner.

1147
01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:27,100
All right.

1148
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,980
Well, this is just proof that, you know, this is why I know that God had a sense

1149
01:05:32,020 --> 01:05:32,340
of humor.

1150
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:37,500
Why Christ had a sense of humor because he had a dozen dudes and dads running

1151
01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:37,800
around.

1152
01:05:37,820 --> 01:05:38,280
And there you go.

1153
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,320
So there had to have been a Belchett and farting going on the whole time.

1154
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:41,600
You know?

1155
01:05:41,740 --> 01:05:42,080
So yeah.

1156
01:05:42,180 --> 01:05:42,280
Yeah.

1157
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,220
And you just proved it.

1158
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:43,700
There we go.

1159
01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:48,700
Well, again, Vince, we're so grateful for you for, for Pat, for the, just the

1160
01:05:48,660 --> 01:05:53,920
impact that you've made in our community here and beyond, we wish you all of the best, all

1161
01:05:53,980 --> 01:05:56,440
the joy, all the happiness for this next chapter in life.

1162
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:57,400
We're really excited for you.

1163
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:04,220
And we also hope that Vince will be able to share the dudes and dads down in Alabama.

1164
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:04,760
We will.

1165
01:06:05,060 --> 01:06:05,700
We'll tune in.

1166
01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:06,540
Spread it around.

1167
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:08,640
This is what we do.

1168
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,480
We bring people in and then as disciples, we just send them out.

1169
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,900
We bless them to go to the four corners of the world.

1170
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:17,020
So thanks so much, Vince.

1171
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:17,680
Grateful for you.

1172
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,020
as always can head over to dudesanddans.com for show notes,

1173
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,060
previous episodes, all the goodies.

1174
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,620
We'll make, you know, we'll put some of the things

1175
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:27,560
up there, but with Vence.

1176
01:06:27,660 --> 01:06:30,080
We'll make him as appropriately available

1177
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:31,660
on his social media as possible

1178
01:06:32,140 --> 01:06:34,720
if he decides to engage that in his next stage.

1179
01:06:34,820 --> 01:06:37,240
But also you can head over, well, excuse me,

1180
01:06:37,380 --> 01:06:38,620
you can also shoot us an email

1181
01:06:38,780 --> 01:06:40,740
at dudesanddanspodcast@gmail.com.

1182
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:43,600
If you've got any sort of ideas for future shows

1183
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,800
or harsh criticisms you want to pass our way.

1184
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,720
- And Joel, I'm going to push it out there again.

1185
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:02,980
So as Andy pulls the number up just remember you can leave us a message. Yeah somewhere and then you can

1186
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,540
Mark you got work to do. Yeah Mark what's the?

1187
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,000
Yeah you gotta give us a message. You got work to do.

1188
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,140
These two guys can't do it by themselves. You got work to do.

1189
01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:11,520
574-501-4467

1190
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,820
Perfect. Leave us a voicemail. Give us some feedback. We'd love to hear that.

1191
01:07:15,299 --> 01:07:17,500
And as always guys we're just grateful that you

1192
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:17,760
uh, you guys are here.

1193
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,440
Come and spend some time with us, the hangout and so be sure to be sure to share

1194
01:07:23,420 --> 01:07:25,220
Yeah, we wish you grace and peace