Hello, listeners. Welcome to Social Skills Coaching, where you learn to be more likable,
Speaker:more charismatic, and more productive. Today is April 10, 2024.
Speaker:Today we dive into the world of better conversations. Based on the book, Improve Your Conversations
Speaker:by Patrick King will be uncovering strategies to go beyond what's literally said and truly
Speaker:connect with others. Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker:Rule of Improv Comedy: Whatever someone is communicating, they did for a reason, so react
Speaker:to further that reason.
Speaker:One of the biggest challenges faced by neophyte conversationalists and improv players is reading
Speaker:people accurately. It’s definitely a skill that requires practice.
Speaker:I distinctly remember an instance of speaking to a fellow attorney at a networking event
Speaker:years ago. I had said multiple times that I needed to find the bathroom, and that I
Speaker:needed to go soon, but he just didn’t take the hint. Every time I would say it, he would
Speaker:launch into another story about himself. I eventually realized he couldn’t read people;
Speaker:it was like trying to read Chinese for him, and he was not Chinese. Finally, I interrupted
Speaker:him mid-story and waltzed away gracefully. Learn to hear between the lines
Speaker:It didn’t take a mastermind to read me in that situation, but rarely is reading people’s
Speaker:emotions and state of mind so clear and obvious. Players in improv comedy have to do the impossible
Speaker:on a daily basis—ascertain what someone is trying to communicate based on very few
Speaker:cues.
Speaker:At first, you might not catch the cues. Once you learn what they are, you’ll start to
Speaker:spot them more and more. As you get better, you’ll be able to see them coming before
Speaker:they even emerge, because there are certain patterns that always arise. That’s how it
Speaker:is with improv comedy and that’s how it is with conversation.
Speaker:For instance, an eye roll can mean many things in isolation, but when you pair an eye roll
Speaker:with bored body language and a scoff, it probably means that someone is bored with you.
Speaker:Getting better at reading people is the first step to this chapter’s rule of reacting
Speaker:to everything, as it allows you to know exactly what you are reacting to. You wouldn’t react
Speaker:to a story about a friend’s death with laughter, so it’s important that your read and your
Speaker:response are congruent with each other. Sometimes we instinctually just know, like when we laugh
Speaker:when a friend tells a bad joke, or when someone shows you a video and you know that you’re
Speaker:supposed to laugh when they do.
Speaker:How can you read people better? It starts with what they talk about, and how much they
Speaker:talk about it. In fact, for the purposes of this book, that’s the most important part.
Speaker:Just listen to them.
Speaker:Sounds easy, but many people mess this part up because they’re simply not paying attention
Speaker:to the information right in front of them (kind of like that attorney I mentioned).
Speaker:Once you understand that conversation is actually about so much more than the words coming out
Speaker:of people’s mouths, you start to notice all the things you never paid attention to
Speaker:before.
Speaker:People drop hints in conversation all the time. There’s a reason they bring up what
Speaker:they bring up, and a meaning behind what they seem to want to dwell on.
Speaker:It’s a useful thought to keep in the back of your mind: why did they do such-and-such?
Speaker:Why did they say this and not that? What is the point of this story they’re telling?
Speaker:There’s a reason people speak in deeper, specific detail about some things, and will
Speaker:continually steer the conversation back even after they go on a tangent. The subject is
Speaker:important to them and they want to share it with you.
Speaker:For example, if someone keeps talking about their dog, or seems to mention their pet in
Speaker:an offhand manner multiple times, this is a breadcrumb for you to follow, Inspector
Speaker:Holmes. Rarely will people say, “I want to talk about my dog, listen to me now,”
Speaker:as opposed to shoehorning it semi-organically into an existing conversation.
Speaker:You’re looking for these breadcrumbs that others want you to pick up on so they can
Speaker:talk about what they want.
Speaker:Let me backtrack and reiterate. People will literally tell you what they’re interested
Speaker:in by what they talk about. They’ll either bring it up spontaneously and on their own,
Speaker:or speak about a subject with a measure of excitement and joy. Those are your indicators
Speaker:for how to read people, but they require you to really pay attention to the other person
Speaker:and above all else, stop speaking so you can hear them.
Speaker:If your conversation partner doesn’t have energy or excitement about a topic, or they
Speaker:appear to switch topics spontaneously, then it’s clear that they aren’t interested
Speaker:in it. People won’t outright say that they want to talk about certain topics, so it’s
Speaker:up to you to pick up on their hints and react accordingly.
Speaker:Of course, there is also the non-verbal portion of reading people. For the purposes of this
Speaker:book, we’ll keep it simple. You have to know only one thing: the baseline of body
Speaker:language of the other person. In other words, what are someone’s facial expressions and
Speaker:body language when they feel normal and aren’t expressing a strong emotion?
Speaker:For example, some people might naturally be bubbly and speak with their hands, and others
Speaker:might be as still as a wooden doll even when they’re ecstatic. This baseline can let
Speaker:you know when someone deviates from it, and then you can interpret their body language
Speaker:accordingly. If the aforementioned person who is incredibly still even when happy shows
Speaker:a hint of motion and emotion, you can safely assume that they are overjoyed, or upset,
Speaker:by something.
Speaker:Again, these are the breadcrumbs that people want you to find, and this is especially true
Speaker:the better people get with conversation. Conversation at the highest levels becomes all shades of
Speaker:gray and subtlety because both parties pick up on the signals being exchanged. Much of
Speaker:what it is said during an exchange of witty banter is subtext and between the lines, so
Speaker:to speak, because both parties operate on multiple levels.
Speaker:Here are some common breadcrumbs:
Speaker:The excitement, or lack thereof, in someone’s voice when you bring up a topic.
Speaker:If someone keeps trying to bring up a topic, this means they want to talk about it.
Speaker:If someone keeps looking away, this means that they are bored.
Speaker:If someone’s feet are pointed away from you, this means they want to stop talking
Speaker:to you.
Speaker:If you interrupted someone right as they were about to speak, ask them about it after you
Speaker:finish speaking to see what direction they were interested in going.
Speaker:See if you can tell if their smiles and laughs are fake or real, depending on how big they
Speaker:are and how quickly they fade or stop.
Speaker:If someone ignores what you say and goes back to what they were talking about before you
Speaker:spoke, they feel strongly about their point and want to expand on it.
Speaker:If someone leans their head on their hand, this means they might be bored with the current
Speaker:flow of the conversation.
Speaker:Look for how strongly someone nods in agreement with you, and on the flip side, how little
Speaker:excitement or emotion there is in their reaction. Listen for emotion
Speaker:The final aspect of getting better at instantly reading people is to think in terms of emotions.
Speaker:Whatever someone says or demonstrates to you through their body, they are doing it to create
Speaker:an emotional response. People talk to each other for a reason—they want to make some
Speaker:kind of impact on the world, or influence your opinion somehow, or simply get you to
Speaker:like them.
Speaker:A story about their dog feeding a kitten? They want a happy smile.
Speaker:A story about being cut off in traffic? They want shared agony.
Speaker:A statement about their foot being run over by a bike? They want a laugh.
Speaker:These are all emotions that people want to evoke in you, so give it to them! That’s
Speaker:the final aspect in a nutshell: proactively think about the underlying emotion people
Speaker:want to evoke in you, and then give it to them. It sounds like it would be incredibly
Speaker:difficult to do in the spur of the moment, but it’s easier than you think since there
Speaker:are only so many emotions that others might want back from you.
Speaker:Joy. Anger. Humor. Annoyance. Amazement. Curiosity.
Speaker:If you think about most of what people have told you in the past week, and what you have
Speaker:told others, that short list covers almost all the bases for the emotional responses
Speaker:that were sought. They encompass the bulk of the reasons that we share stories about
Speaker:our lives. It’s a simple switch in perspective, but look beyond the story to see the reason
Speaker:for the story.
Speaker:A story about their dog feeding a kitten—what is the reason that someone is telling you
Speaker:about this? Is it so you can feel annoyance? Amazement? Joy? It’s probably a combination
Speaker:of humor and joy. Show them that you understand and give them the reaction they expected.
Speaker:In fact, exaggerate your reactions. Not by too much, just enough so that the emotion
Speaker:you’re feeling is unmistakable. Just like that, you’ve communicated with someone,
Speaker:and made a connection. You’ve made someone feel heard. That special something that makes
Speaker:good conversations feel so satisfying? This is what it’s made of.
Speaker:There is a thin line between being emotionally touched by somebody's shared information,
Speaker:and mocking that person by caricaturing their emotions. If you go overboard, you may seem
Speaker:like you're mocking and patronizing your conversation partner. They will feel judged and insulted.
Speaker:Instead, jump on board with them and their emotion. If they come to you with a story
Speaker:about how they were slighted, first show the appropriate matching emotion in a way that
Speaker:will make them feel acknowledged and validated. That’s what matters first in reacting. What
Speaker:you do next can be any mixture of asking questions or validating their experience more thoroughly,
Speaker:but the initial reaction makes the biggest impact.
Speaker:People have different levels of emotional intensity, and the middle of the bell curve
Speaker:as far as emotional expression is concerned can be quite wide. This simply means that
Speaker:people perceive and experience emotions differently, so what you think is an indulgent and overboard
Speaker:reaction may not register at all for someone else. This is the case for most people. They
Speaker:think they are conveying a message, but in reality have only managed a frown or smile.
Speaker:It therefore pays to be slightly dramatic and overboard with your emotional reaction,
Speaker:just to ensure that you aren’t being too subtle for your own good. Some of us have
Speaker:poker faces far more than we realize, so exaggeration is sometimes necessary to get our message
Speaker:across. Plus, a big reaction makes people feel good, as if they have bestowed us with
Speaker:valuable information. Be generous with your attention
Speaker:A conversation is a two-way street.
Speaker:You can't just say what you want, wait while the other person is talking, and then say
Speaker:what you want again as if they merely interrupted you. It's not just a simple matter of waiting
Speaker:for your turn to speak.
Speaker:Conversation is about mutual sharing that leads to mutual listening and learning, otherwise
Speaker:it’s just two monologues being directed toward each other. Hopefully, if you can acknowledge
Speaker:the importance of what the other person is saying when speaking back to them, then they
Speaker:will do the same to you because they’ll feel heard, validated, respected, and important.
Speaker:This is going to feel unnatural and uncomfortable for some, but if you want your conversations
Speaker:to go deeper and last longer, you need to play this game. Reactions aren’t natural
Speaker:to all of us, and we may not even care about most of the things that people say. However,
Speaker:the goal is to improve our conversations, and you can’t improve if you don’t investigate
Speaker:new things that are outside of your comfort zone.
Speaker:One final thing: React to everything. This includes stories, gestures, the person looking
Speaker:at their phone, taking their jacket off, stretching their arms, questions about the same topic,
Speaker:a puzzled facial expression, tilting their head, an eye roll, an uncomfortable smile,
Speaker:and so on.
Speaker:There may not be a flashing emotion to demonstrate, but they still did these things for a reason,
Speaker:and if you react to everything, you will show yourself to be one hundred percent present
Speaker:with the other person. You’re paying attention. You’re listening. The conversation matters
Speaker:to you.
Speaker:Here’s a good exercise to practice your reactions:
Speaker:Pretend that you are mute while watching a television show, and react non-verbally to
Speaker:express the emotions that you interpret from the characters. Exaggerate these non-verbal
Speaker:reactions. Be sure to pause occasionally. You may be surprised at how easy this is to do—once
Speaker:you forget about the verbal communication for a second. We’re all born to feel and
Speaker:express emotion, but ego can sometimes get in the way.
Speaker:Rely on facial expressions, body language, gestures, and eye contact. Make sure that
Speaker:your true message is getting across. This is practice for you to respond to others,
Speaker:and see what the range of reactions can be to demonstrate that you’ve heard them. You
Speaker:may also discover that you have to exaggerate your reactions a bit to be understood, and
Speaker:that something that seemed so obvious to you actually was not.
Speaker:Takeaways
Speaker:• People generally talk about things for a specific reason. If you can hear between
Speaker:the lines and find out what that reason is, you can have deeper conversations with others
Speaker:that are enjoyable for both of you. • Doing this isn’t especially hard; all
Speaker:you need to do is pay attention to what is being said. People organically bring up topics
Speaker:they are interested in, and their body language will very obviously indicate excitement or
Speaker:happiness while talking about that subject. With practice, you’ll be able to spot these
Speaker:telltale signs better and use them to have more fun and engaging conversations.
Speaker:• When someone is telling you something, try to determine what emotion is being conveyed.
Speaker:People are generally looking for some specific emotional reaction from you when they say
Speaker:something. It could be anger, a smile, amazement, curiosity, or something else. If you can figure
Speaker:out what emotion they’re trying to convey and what they’re expecting in return, you’ll
Speaker:make the other person feel understood and appreciated.
Speaker:Remember that conversations aren’t all about you. It’s an activity that involves mutual
Speaker:sharing and listening. Reacting to the other person’s emotions appropriately shows that
Speaker:you’re paying attention and actually care about what they’re saying. This is why you
Speaker:should react to everything. don’t ignore or let comments or nonverbal gestures just
Speaker:pass with no response. All right, listeners, that's all we have for
Speaker:today on the art of conversation based on
Speaker:insights from Improve Your Conversations by Patrick King. Remember, strong communication
Speaker:skills are the foundation of all successful relationships. By truly listening and responding
Speaker:to what people are saying, both verbally and nonverbally, you can have more meaningful
Speaker:interactions
Speaker:and build stronger connections. If you want to dive deeper into this topic, check out
Speaker:the book by
Speaker:Patrick King, Improve Your Conversations. And for more tips on social skills and building
Speaker:charisma,
Speaker:head over to our author's website at bit.ly-pk-consulting. Thanks for joining us today. See you next
Speaker:week.