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Hi there. Today on the Email Marketing Show, we're talking about cold outreach emails. or

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we'd love it. Your job as a person doing email marketing for your business is to convert as many people on your email list into customers but it's literally impossible to do that if your emails are not actually getting delivered into the inbox.

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And we can't take this delivery thing for granted. We do have to do some work on it. We can't put all of the responsibility for that on our email marketing platform like jumping from one platform to the next hoping that you're gonna get better delivery. You have to take some of the responsibility here. And it's all

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comes down to the data quality, the quality of the data that you've got in your email platform. That's what is the difference between the emails landing in the email inbox and just not at all.

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gonna say this isn't really my marketing. So that's the end of this episode, and we'll see you next week. I think, again, like what we're really talking about here is going to be like it's going to be that email lead generation or you know, it's something along those lines, it's it's less, it's less about email marketing, as you say. So let's talk about what it really is. Effectively, it's when you find a big bunch of people you want to get in touch with and think they might be able to hire from hire you or work with you or buy from you in some respect, and you get in touch and it only obviously fits a certain type of business. So for example, we wouldn't sit and do cold outreach in order to try and sell a $37 course about how to send daily emails. It doesn't make any sense to do the logistics on there. However, we would use it for things like getting on podcasts and stuff like that, which we will talk about as we go through this this episode. So first of all, that we got to just draw the distinction, I think between cold email outreach and spam, right because those are two different things. What the interesting thing about spam is technically spam is unsolicited unsolicited unsolicited email sent out by some sort of automation type programme likely at people who were not expecting it and didn't, didn't want it. And so that's that technique, what it is, and technically call that reach fits most of those parameters. You're going to take a bunch of people, you're going to drop them into some sort of automation programme, likely, again, you could do it manually, but that seems like a lot of hard work and effort. And then you're gonna send them a bunch of emails they weren't particularly expecting to get and even worse than that, there's no link at the bottom where they can unsubscribe from those emails either because it's not really the same thing equally. Those emails are not going to go on ad infinitum, you're going to send a set sequence of emails, like maybe 3457 emails over an x over a period of time and then you're going to stop, you're also going to say to people, listen, if you if you're just not interested, that's fine. Just hit reply, and let me know and I'll take you out. So let's talk about why despite all of those things. It's not as big of a problem as you might think it's not quite as frosty as cold email might sound right.

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Yeah. And I think one of the things that you'll all receive those cold DMS Hey, Rob, I can help you with your insert random thing that's mildly relevant ish and a right angle or sometimes irrelevant. It's it doesn't have to be as frosty as that and the real trick we found So full disclosure. While we are not cold email outreach experts, we have done cold email outreach and we've done it in one specific way. And for one specific reason, and that is to get booked on podcasts, right, or to get booked to do training in other people's communities. That's when we tend to cold outreach. Otherwise, we use sort of referral introductions and our network and saying, Hey, I'd really like to do a training for this group. It's gonna be no anybody so the networking element of being in some pretty exclusive groups and masterminds and, and having friends have now made some friends in this space definitely helps with that. But initially, to get booked on some of these big podcasts, we did cold outreach, and we use a specific cold outreach, email automation tools. We didn't use our normal email automation. So if you're using keep like also if you're using Active Campaign or ConvertKit or whichever platform you happen to be using high level, something like that. You're not going to use that for cold outreach. I'm gonna go and scrape LinkedIn for a whole bunch I'll scrape the internet for a whole bunch of emails and then dump it into your MailChimp account and then go jolly about hey, he heard me you want to do this because those email platforms are gonna get pretty grumpy with you very quickly and Banu. rightly so because these systems are opt in systems. What we're going to do is use a specialist outreach tool, which only does the cold outreach stuff, and then of move people to opt in. That's how it works. The whole point of most outreach is to then get people to say, Yes, I'm interested, and then opt in, I think of cold outreach as literally another ads channel. It's the same methodology as running a Facebook ad running a YouTube ad running display ads. It's a way of going, Hey, here's an ad but it happens to be in that email inbox. Do you want more information do you want to take the step into our world so we can now do email marketing? The reason most of it fucking sucks and is terrible and is annoying is because it is devoid of any personality. It is a robotic, it sounds like chat GPT for me, I said it chat, chit chat GPT one wrote it, you know, it is awful. It for your attention. It's horrible. So when we have done cold outreach, we make sure we are dripping in personality. We want to have it so that and please do it. So that even if the thing is of no interest to the person whatsoever, the replies we want it to elicit and then got we're, oh my god, I'm not interested. But that's the best email I've received today. Not the best cold outreach email I've ever received the best email I've received today. That's what we're looking for so that they get emotional value from the email. That was fun. You guys are crazy. And the way we do that is just by being a bit extra. By even more extra than we are really we're a bit crazy and a bit mad. Were like us plus five in in those emails because it grabs more attention unless people go alright, I can't not ignore this. We get so few complaints from that we get lots of yeses from it. And we get people saying no, but in the nicest way possible rather than face off. I hear Yeah.

Yeah, we got handful of complaints. I think that's where you know that the thing is resonating somewhere like it's having some impact so full of our personalities. Some people don't like it. And actually if it's not if if everyone is indifferent about it, or everyone everyone likes it, it's sort of it hasn't got enough personality in it because not everybody likes everybody doesn't really have to be fun and quirky and off the wall. You might be really boring and I don't like boring people and I don't want your boring outreach. So that's going to offend me. So like people can be offended for different reasons.

really nerdy and technical, if that's what you sell, and again, that will be like What are you talking about? Leave me alone.

The outreach stuff that we sort of probably get the most from other people is terrible. You know, hello, I love the email marketing. I love I love your podcast. I love that you're putting out I particularly like the last episode and this is how you do personalization wrong by the way. I particularly like the last episode where you talking about you know how to stuffed chickens. With some emails.

Like what you talked about the seven big reason they've copied the title, the title,

titles and everything. So I'd like to introduce you to Marisa knockin Knickerbocker and she's an expert in something or other and I think you should really like it. She's an expert in blocking her knickers. Like it's just a random warble that she for the last 20 years has been a marketeer with a degree of like it's just bland and uninteresting. I think we have in our podcast outreach emails, we're quite far into the emails before we talk about like, the fact that what we talked about and all that stuff that the whole chunk of the opening is just about getting people to sit and pay attention and really care.

I started laundry is one of the reasons that these emails feel so sleazy is because they're not they're not really talking about them and their interests and they're not doing it in a way that sort of. So one of the things I like that we do in our outreach email, and we can't share it because obviously we weren't using the same style, then it just won't work but we can't share verbatim but we are very tongue in cheek about it. Were very like, you know, this is outreach email. We know it's an outreach email. Let's all just deal with that. This is an outreach email. It's cool. Like we're very tongue in cheek we're very quite meta about it. And and we're sort of like going hey, we heard that people who do this are really handsome and we want to be as handsome as as the people who you have liked. We're very, we know that you know, and you know that we know. So let's all just deal with it. Let's all go together. Yeah, exactly. That's all that's all together. And that's and that's so much more genuine. Like if we often talk about selling through honesty, and that's all this is, hey, this is a really terrible outreach email. I feel terrible writing this, but the truth is, we really want this from you. How about it, you hate receiving this? I'm going to keep it short. The reason that feels sleazy because I disingenuous,

and the personality is what's going to make this work actually over what you say that the purpose the purpose of the email is just to go hey, this is a thing are you interested but the thing is going to really make it stand out because the truth is everyone turns up in somebody's inbox and says, I'm excellent. I've done this for a long time. I've won loads of awards. I've got lots of clients. Like if you just go on what you've got, you've got nothing to stand out with because nobody turns up and here's a way you could do it. But nobody turns up in the inbox with an outreach email that goes Hello. Would you like a roof that falls off your I'm a roofer and I'm currently looking for new clients and I'm not very good but I'm practising if you'd like me to practice on yours and pay loads and you pay me loads of money for it, then just hit reply to this email. Nobody's doing that. Everyone's kind of going on that Best Roofer in the world. You're gonna love it, you definitely want to see what I've got, because that's the that's the point. Right? So again, if you if you don't, because everyone's saying that great, and they've got loads of clients and loads of successes and all the rest of it. That means the only way you can stand out is through personality. And again, one way you could do that is by finding a way of writing an email that says I'm not very good at this, but I'd like to, I'd like you to hire me anyway.

Yeah. And I think that's a smashing point about the fact that people generally these outreach emails will talk about their social proof and actual fact, you haven't even got their attention yet. That's web think about in an email campaign or a sales campaign or a sales page. How far down that campaign. Social proof comes in, weighed out yet, in most people's cold outreach email, it's in there in email. Number one, here's what I've done. Here's the kind of clients I've helped. They don't care yet. They don't care. Yeah. So let's talk about that real void between inbound marketing versus this cold outreach, because, yes, we use cold outreach. And basically, cold outreach is prospecting and saying, Hey, I've identified you as a person who might find this thing valuable, useful, insightful and help your growth and I supply that kind of thing. That's what you do. It's cold prospecting. So it's great for things like getting on podcasts or getting guest blogging slots, and that kind of thing, getting on stages and events, that kind of thing. That's where cold outreach is. It's prospecting, whereas email marketing is a different thing. Email marketing is conversion. It's the next stage. It's the stage after they've gone. Oh, yeah, maybe from that prospecting whether that prospecting was an ad or an opt in or a webinar or a challenge. Cold outreach fits the same slot as those things. Email marketing is the conversion piece.

Yeah. And they live in different places in your business in a dream? Well, I think you probably want to have both like it's probably there probably is room again, it's going to depend on what you sell. If you sell a $37 ebook, it's not really worth doing the outreach. But But I think one of the things if people currently have a business that is entirely outreach driven, in other words, my business model is I find a list of prospective clients. I get in touch with them via this cold outreach thing. And then if they if they close, great, and if they don't, well, nevermind, on to the next one. I think it would be up to the word remissive You're missing, you're missing out if you don't also have something where it's permission based somebody coming up are you looking for that was Duft daft, definitely be daft? It'd be a daft if he didn't do it. And so we've often done it in the past is to talk to but again, businesses where it primary primarily their clients come from, you know, they've got maybe clients who have an average lifetime value of 1000s of dollars, and therefore the average thing is sort of worth it. And we would go we'll also have something over there where you're building a permission based list. So have content you put out on the internet or ads that drive people to a lead magnet and get into opt in or shock horror. You can do your cold outreach to a lead magnet. So we did this recently. We've put this into our into our business, also a few clients, businesses to where somebody will get that list of prospects. They will know that if I'm going to do cold outreach, I've probably got a sequence of four or five emails, I could send somebody before I really need to start winding that down and say, Hey, listen, I'm gonna leave you alone now. But here's one final chance. And at the end of that you still lost that person, but you also can't easily get in touch with them again, because by the time you get to the end of that sequence, and you go, Hey, listen, this the last time I'm going to bother you, but if you're interested, let me know. You now can't really ever go back to that person or not, at least not for a long time, that contact sort of burnt. Whereas if the entire purpose is to is to do this, either. The entire purpose of your cold outreach is to get them to opt in for lead magnet, or the last ditch attempt of your outreach is to get them to opt into a lead magnet. Now you've got them on your email list and now you can start to email them through your email engine or whatever sequences you've got into in place to turn those those people into customers to book a call with you or wherever it's gonna be. And so that's quite a nice place to be. You can literally make the entire and we've done this a few times with a few clients. Like I said, you can either make your entire focus of your outreach come and join my list, get this lead magnet so Hey, name, all your free personality stuff. But basically the email would basically say I noticed that you are in x position, I've got a really cool free resource for people just like you which will help you to why go and opt in here and the minute they opt in, you have some little automation so to remove them from the cold outreach software or mark them as a marketing as a lead now, and now that's actually a really useful use of your cold outreach because a it's a very soft call to action. They don't even need to reply if they don't want to. They don't ever have to engage in a conversation.

It's way low risk. It's way less risk weight loss with low risk, it's with real risk. That's always that's how we say where I'm from. Yeah, it's way less risky, isn't it? It's less engagement. It's

like, it's easier. It's faster. Yeah, feels less anonymous, even though it's not like it feels like I'm just gonna sort of do this you probably won't even notice because you have 1000s of people opting in for this thing. And so that's one option or you can do a regular cold outreach campaign, which is all about hit reply and book a call, hit reply and book a call, hit reply and book a call today, or the last day or two, it could literally just be Hey, listen, I know if you haven't replied, I'm gonna leave you alone. But I do know you're struggling with x and you're trying to fix y. So I've put together this free resource come and hang out. You'll get on my email list too.

I guess you could do a combo you could have like all of the emails be like, Hey, I'd love to chat you about to about chat you about chatting about and then you can have like a PS PS. I've also got this free resource. You can click here so like you've got the main thing you want them to do. And then you have the PS and then you could just maybe switch the focus of the last couple of emails to be more about the the lead magnet I guess.

This is purely conjecture, but you might even find that doing it that way. Having this sort of hybrid approach even drives up the results of the cold outreach because if you've got say six emails in a sequence, and you're driving somebody to book a call, book a call, but your PS or hit reply, but your PS is gonna get this lead magnet you might find on day two, someone goes and opts into the lead magnet. And as they start to go through your stuff a bit more by day five, they're a bit more willing to book a call. Might not but it's worth testing.

It's definitely worth testing. I love it. I love it. This has been a really nice conversation. I hope you've all I hope you've all enjoyed it. I really do. Let us know do hit us up on the socials. We're trying to be better over on Instagram. So at Rob and Kennedy love to hear what you thought of today's discussion. And if you're not already a member come and hang out in the Email Marketing Show community and let's chat cold outreach. Have you received some good cold outreach? Have you sent any cold? Are you nervous? Are you thinking? I don't know if cold outreach would work in my business, start a new discussion, start a new conversation and post in the Email Marketing Show community that's why we created it. That's why we're hanging out there all day every day. It's completely free. So definitely go over to Facebook and search for the Email Marketing Show committee and that's what's going on there. But before we go would definitely want to hear this week's subject line of the week subject line of the week. What have you got

so this is stop in capital letters, stop in uppercase it with the passive income stop it with the passive income, big capital letters. And basically the email was about the fact that passive income is not a bit of a myth in most circumstances like having a membership or a course or something is not passive income. But the point of the subject line and the reason why it works I think is to do with the fact that it's a well first of all, it quite literally stops the scroll because it's got the word stopping uppercase at the start the subject line so as people are flicking down the subconscious responses is to stop however, because I can embedded command but it's also because it's like a weird just a weird contradiction to what people think. So like why would you stop it with the and then really good thing that everybody thinks they want? People be like, Why should I Why should I stop it with that? That's what everybody wants?

I love it. That's this week's subject line of the week subject line of the week. A huge thank you for listening to the show this week. Really appreciate it. We're back every email marketing Wednesday with a brand new episodes do make sure you hit subscribe on your podcast player to make sure that next week's episode automatically downloads to your podcast player. We will see you next your marketing Wednesday.